User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )

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In recognition[edit]

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Awarded for excellent biographical articles on historical personalities in aviation Lovibond (talk) 00:07, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

More photos for aces[edit]

{{PD-SDASM}} Hello,

For whatever obscure whim, I returned to Flickr and found another bunch of World War I pilots. If you would care to insert these into articles, here's the list:

Fritz Beckhardt =

Josef Mai =

Hantlemann is third from left @

Gustav Dorr =

Heinrich Kroll =

Oskar Hennrich = Karl Bolle =

Otto Schmidt =

Erik Thomas =

Adolf von Tutschek =

Otto Parschau =

Friedrich von Roeth =

Hans Muller (later Hans Garrelt) =

Rudolf Berthold =

Hans Berr =

Hans von Adam =

Hans-Joachim Buddecke (in Ottoman uniform) =

Friedrich Manschott =

Karl Allmenroeder =

Karl Thom =

Gustav Leffers =

Max Ritter von Mueller =

Incidentally, Beckhardt's photo was misidentified as Hermann Gilly, so I removed it from the Gilly article. However, as Gilly never flew a Siemens-Schuckert D.IIInor had a personal insignia of a swastika, it is obviously a (poor) photo of Beckhardt.

I hope you will post these, as I seem to be moderately hopeless at the task.

Georgejdorner (talk) 18:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

And please tell me if you want more.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Hoeven et al[edit]

This is the same fight that led to Clinton just saying Yale University instead of Yale Law. You WPLDONTLIKEIT and are pretending this is a helpful for readers. If they need to click the link to find out this is just an endowed component of a university, it's not helpful. When I used to link these as [[Kellogg School of Management|Northwestern University]] it was argued that this was faulty under WP:EGG. Ordinary people know Northwestern, not Kellogg. Therequiembellishere (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

I can't read minds, how do you know what the reader wants? We have blue links for that, when they do not know, they click. Why not add the University to the alma_mater field since that would be correct? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:55, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't think this is much of a stretch to imagine. Why not just make it easier and link to Northwestern since it's still correct? Both fields for what is essentially the same info is overkill and sort of crufty, IMO. Not all college-level university divisions have specific articles, nor should there be an expectation for every en-experted casual reader to know to connect them together. Give the basic info in the infobox (university, degree) and let the article give the full info. For example, something like "Georgetown University (MA)" in the infobox and "She graduated with a Master of Arts in International Affairs with a concentration in International Organizations from the (Edmund A.) Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University." Therequiembellishere (talk) 00:02, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


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Speedy deletion nomination of Westmoreland Club[edit]

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Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film#"Lists" vs. prose about lists[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film#"Lists" vs. prose about lists. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 11:34, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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Manhattan, New York City[edit]

I apologize: I didn't realize I was "edit warring." I'm new to Wikipedia, and thought it would be okay to learn as I go. I will certainly learn the proper way to reference my sources.

Just out of curiosity: can you support your assertion that Hobson was born in Manhattan, New York City? Perhaps you're right, but I don't remember ever reading that she was. Hobson herself says in her autobiography that she was born in "New York City," so apparently she didn't think it important to specify which borough. It wasn't important to the writers of her obituaries in The New York Times or The Washington Post, either.

Personally, I think "Manhattan, New York City" looks ridiculous. "Manhattan," okay, but I don't think you need to specify that Manhattan is part of New York City. Even I am not so ignorant as to confuse it with Manhattan, Iowa.

Thank you for your directives. Your communication is the first I've received from a fellow Wikipedian, and I appreciate the hostility.

Untold Millions (talk) 03:14, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

We have a style guide for Wikipedia so that all biographies have the same look and feel. There is a massive project going on now at Wikipedia to check each link at "New York" and convert them to "New York (state)" and "New York City". About 25% were pointing to the wrong entity, the next step is to diasambiguate the proper borough for "New York City". BTW, what got you started. What made you hit the edit button? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:29, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the links; they're going to be helpful. I won't edit the "Manhattan, New York City" again. As for the citation templates: from what I understand, use of the templates isn't "encouraged or discouraged" by Wikipedia, as long as citations are consistent on any given page. That said, I do agree that citations should be consistent across Wikipedia as a whole, so I'm looking at them. Like everyone, I've consulted Wikipedia for years, but I didn't start editing until I came across the Laura Z. Hobson page. It was incomplete, badly written, poorly cited... I felt it was a disservice to Hobson, whom I've admired for over thirty years. Of course, I didn't realize what I was getting myself into: there's a lot more to this than I realized, and I don't seem to want to do much else! Untold Millions (talk) 05:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
There are probably a three people a day in the New York Times obituaries that do not have articles that deserve them. When you use citation templates rather than just text, at any time in the future all the templated citations can be changed automatically to the new format. We may decide to switch to the European date system, or have the date after the title, or remove the italics. You only have to change the template and all the citations are changed automatically. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Untold Millions: Wikipedia is habit forming. I just rescued Niles City Sound from a pile of articles threatened with deletion and have been reading up on it, beefing the article up in the process. Fixing up the citation format was part of that. Also, some of our best articles refer to books extensively, which make heavy use of shortened footnotes. But that's for another time. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


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Nomination of List of Mayors of Wildwood, New Jersey for deletion[edit]

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