User talk:Richardw

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Hello, Richardw, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Please Use Edit Summaries[edit]

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Keep up the good work on language-related articles! SalaSkan 22:46, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Meanwhile, you may find it useful to create a user page. Here, you can tell things about yourself and keep logs of things you'd like to remember. Again, thank you! SalaSkan 22:46, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Dutch telephone directories[edit]

Suppose you read that in kiKungili telephone directories the letters "B", "H", "R" and "W" are sorted the same, and that thanks to this the surnames Byatt, Hyatt, Ryatt and Wyatt can be found in the same spot. Wouldn't you be somewhat puzzled? The advantage of sorting is that different name are found in different spots. Only if they know that in kiKungili those four letters are considered variants of the same letter, and that those four names sound the same when pronounced, can a reader appreciate the advantage. Likewise, the typical Wikipedia reader, who doesn't know Dutch, may not immediately see how sorting Bruijn and Bruyn to the same place should be advantageous. You keep removing information that makes this understandable. It also appears that you have some conception about the use or meaning of the term "variant" that I don't understand. Do you think the word is used incorrectly on the following pages: [1], [2], [3], [4]?  --Lambiam 10:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The way it was used now was (in my opinion) not ideal. In the example Bruijn/Bruyn there's surely something to be said for it but not necessarily in all cases where surnames exist with ij and y these surnames are related. Still, you may be right that I was too brief. Therefore I have expanded the sentence a bit so that your meaning is explicitely "voiced". Richard 14:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the help! Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 10:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

so-called etiquette[edit]

I am galled. Not only by the comment but by your stubborn persistence that it remain. It is clearly offensive to at least 10 million people and should not be presented as mainstream Netherlandic thought. Wikipedia relies on the printed word and editors that give their opinions. But this is offensive, nothing else. The only possible rationale for inclusion is continued prejudice. You crassly disregard common standards with this unfortunate statement. Its educational value is Nil...Nada...Nothing. You can surround it with subtle verbs like percieved and dipicted but this does not change a thing. I am not pushing my POV---I am merely protecting it. I will continue to correct this type of and elsewhere. We are creating a new encyclopedia for the Ages. Not the Dark Ages, tho!--Buster7 (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW...No "perhaps" about it!. It has EVERYTHING to do with my heritage--Buster7 (talk) 23:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

This section is part of a larger discussion on Buster7's talk page that will soon be moved to Talk:Dutch customs and etiquette. Please don't add comments here. Richard 11:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

internal/external links[edit]

I'm basically flying around WikiWorld by "the seat of my pants", not always sure that the way I'm doing things is right or the most efficient for all concerned. I guess that's obvious. I appreciate your advice. It will make me a better editor. Bedankt.--Buster7 (talk) 10:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Geen probleem ;) Richard 11:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

editing talk pages[edit]

Hi, I noticed you correcting a grammar mistake on Talk:Dutch customs and etiquette. If this were mainspace very good. However, it is general custom not to change talk page entries by others. While many corrections (like yours) will not be a problem, it is sometimes hard to interpret when you start changing the intention of the original editor. As Talk pages are only intended for other editors perfect grammar or style are not so much important, while the original psoting often is. So my advise, do not change texts on talk pages (except for your own). Cheers. Arnoutf (talk) 19:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

FIFA World Cup[edit]

I was just about to say the same about the singular article....a....but you said it better. Thanks! As you can see, I'm still giving editors grief over Grammar and Usage of the English Language.--Buster7 (talk) 07:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Curious about what your edit does[edit]

Hi, Richardw! I just saw this edit you made, and I am curious, what does that do? I tried searching for this in Wikipedia help and elsewhere, but could not find anything. I also tried looking at the page before and after your change, but I can't spot any visual difference. Thank you in advance for satisfying my curiosity! CosineKitty (talk) 18:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi CosineKitty,
until yesterday I didn't know the {{-}} template either but the change H Debussy-Jones made had an unwanted side effect in my browser: the {{Time measurement and standards}} template was partially hidden under the list of categories. In that same edit (s)he used the {{-}} template. I was also curious what that was, so I looked it up and it turned out to be "shorthand" for <br style="clear:both" />. Since that was just what I needed to get a properly displayed page again, I added a second {{-}}. That's all.
Richard 07:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
OK, that makes sense. I have been using Google Chrome recently (converted from Firefox). There was one occasion where I had to make a similar fix to the article about Morse code to fix a problem that was visible only in Chrome. CosineKitty (talk) 16:54, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Indeed: similar problem, basically same solution. Richard 07:35, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Tree image[edit]

I wanted to point out that the image Lone_Cypress.jpg is actually hosted on Wikimedia Commons, not here. The image is provided there for all people to use, under a free license. If you feel the image is not actually free of copyright, you should start a discussion there. Removing the image from the article here does not change its availability on Wikimedia Commons. — Carl (CBM · talk) 11:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I know that that image is on commons and that it's free to use. My last edit on 17-Mile Drive removed a different image that does NOT exist (17milecypruspoint-crop.jpg). That, plus I changed an indirect link to a direct one ([[Freedom of panorama]] to [[Panoramafreiheit|Freedom of Panorama]]. In my (truncated) edit summary I mentioned that applicability of "freedom of panorama" on private property is arguable, since on private property permission may be required. Richard 13:34, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Brasstown North Carolina Tornado[edit]

Brasstown, the community, resides inside the township of Brasstown, that covers the western portion of clay county. I would bet money that the tornado is described in relation to the location unincorporated community (as the township is a larger area and therefore less accurate for describing the location of anything, in addition to the fact that there's very little reference to the townships themselves that I've seen.)

user:ncboy2010, 10:00PM EST —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:01, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Ramstein Airshow[edit]

Thanks for the edit help. It was getting late and I wanted to make sure the references were there. Also, the memories of that day were starting to come back and I needed to take a break.--DeknMike (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. Richard 17:31, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Deprecated Unicode glyphs[edit]

Hello! I spotted your comment at user talk:Martijn Hoekstra:

although there is one (1) glyph for "ij", its use is officially discouraged. See (among other places) here and here.
— User:Richardw 09:10, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Could you please be a bit more verbose on this? Actually, I'm interested in second link: it deprecates the use of Unicode glyphs U+01C4 – U+01CC, which can't be properly written otherwise. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 09:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Hej Dmitrij! Well... it says you should use individual letters and allow the software to create these ligatures where appropriate so in the case of (for instance) U+01C4 I think you should use a D followed by a Ž (U+017D) (resulting in DŽ). Richard 09:58, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
The problem is that these are not ligatures, these are letters. Eg. the Serbian word "injekcija" has 10 letters (with second letter "n" and third — "j"), but the word "njen" has only three letters (first letter — "nj"). This is apparently evident with the words spelled in both Cyrillic and Latin alphabets: these words are "инјекција" and "њен" accordingly. Writing the letters in question as separate glyphs creates ambiguity and hinders some tasks. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 10:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I didn't write the recommendation but I see your point. itself makes the same recommandation by the way. Richard 11:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, as I get it, the chart You linked doesn't deprecate the letters I talk about: they are classified as Croatian digraphs matching Serbian Cyrillic letters and are not marked as "historic", "deprecated" or "compatibility". I contacted you as I thought you might know something about SIL's document you've linked to. Anyway, I think I would better address my questions to its auther. Thanks! — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 12:51, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I couldn't be of more constructive help. Good luck on your quest, and should you receive more information: I'm always eager to learn something new, so if you could keep me posted I'd be much obliged. Richard 13:10, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Minor edits are often overlooked, but are essential contributions to Wikipedia. Thanks for sticking around and making steady improvements to encyclopedia over the years. (You recently passed 1,000 edits to articles!) Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 18:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Richard 06:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi. Nice to see you here.Jeff5102 (talk) 07:51, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Likewise ;) Richard 08:56, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

O yes, maybe you can look here. I`ve gotten myself into a fine mess, as Oliver Hardy would say. ;) Regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 12:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Reply to your message[edit]

The same can be said for your own grammar. It seems like you do not really know what you are doing, both grammatically and in the context of the article itself - unless of course you are a biased Dutch person (as usual). You seem to agree with the placement of words that do not seem correct at all. Do not undo any edits until a consensus has been agreed.--Robedia (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for proving my point. To that point:
  • You say that a lot of Dutch humor is often of [...] nature. By combining 'a lot of' and 'often', this implies that a given joke can sometimes have a different topic.
  • Casual attire, such as jeans, are most commonly worn. Attire is singular.
  • Weddings are mostly small private affairs as the Dutch do not mostly like to - aside from the fact that the Dutch do not mostly like doesn't make sense, it's bad style. The same goes for The Dutch attitude is a no-nonsense attitude and informal.
  • The Dutch people have a tendency to not understand foreign jokes and only understand Dutch jokes. Whatever gave you that idea? Sure, if jokes are specific to some other culture, it might be true, but you cannot generalize it like that.
Your (as usual) in the statement above hints to prejudice on your side. Also, I find it rather suspicious that this entry was originally made by Timbot18, who forgot to sign, and that you replaced the signature added by Sinebot by Robedia's. To me, this smells like a sockpuppet.
I could go on, but I'll leave it with this. Richard 09:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks like we were right.[edit]

See here for the SPI on Robedia. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 01:04, 28 January 2014 (UTC)


Your article does not contribute anything to the general discussion, Richardw, which is about the generally accepted Dutch culture as a whole. Accept it. Even Dutch academics admit it. Your article does not contain much information either to prove anything...even the cafe owner admitted it started as a joke. It is quite possible that her customers were Dutch tourists. The article does not prove that the "rude" customers are is quite common for Dutch people after all to barge in. I have no need to go into further discussion with you anymore about this topic. It is childish trying to prove yourself...and frankly a waste of time.--Nederlander90210 (talk) 18:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC) P.S. Your behaviour leaves something to be desired and you are not an expert on grammar judging by your own edits... If you are Dutch, you are really not doing a good job proving that the Dutch are not rude.--Nederlander90210 (talk) 19:17, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

You're missing the point (several points, actually). Pots and kettles come to mind as well. Richard 08:14, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Although I obviously don't have a clue and don't know what I'm doing, I predict my very next edit will be reverted and I give it a 50 percent chance that afterwards the changes will be implemented again. Richard 18:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Something else was confirmed, but this particular edit was not reverted. Sometimes it's nice to be wrong. Richard 07:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


The reversion has been done. Hopefully the higher-ups can fix what's wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjnboy (talkcontribs) 14:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for showing the PDF of the Spanish report. I took a look at the PDF and it seems to be the English translation. What I wanted to do was also link the document in the original Spanish language and not only the English translation. This is because many aviation accident agencies say "As accurate as the translation may be, please refer to the original, and if there are differences between the original and the translation the original has supremacy" WhisperToMe (talk) 18:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Undoing multiple edits[edit]

Hello, thanks for your attempts to revert the edits by Terry Lee Marzell. However, you didn't revert the edits properly when there was more than one ... the undo feature can work with consecutive edits. see Help:Reverting for more information. Graham87 16:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

That depends. I can undo only one edit at the time. In some cases, a manual revert is easier. I left behind the info you removed here because I wasn't sure whether it was correct or not. In this instance, I didn't see (then) that Leeddle had been a slip of the keyboard. Here and here, I went to the 'original' version with a minor improvement in the wikitext. So, in the cases I didn't restore the exact same wikitext, it was on purpose. Richard 17:12, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh... wait, I see now that I can undo multiple edits at the time. I'm not really sure if I would have done so in all cases in question (for reasons given earlier), but I do see what you meant. Thanks for the helpful tip! Richard 18:39, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I've gone and undone my reverts of your edits at Francis Wayland Parker and Adickes v. S.H. Kress Co. Re: the edit to Carter G. Woodson (which is on my watchlist), I was very suspicious about the statement that he drove garbage trucks before the age of 17, in the early 1890s, because I didn't think they existed then. This eventually led me to restore some long-lost text about the history of trucks (among other things) to the Truck article. Now that I know about steam trucks, that text seems a bit more plausible, but I'm still very reluctant to put it back because of how it was added. Graham87 04:53, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough. Thanks again. Richard 08:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

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My error.[edit]

I didn't notice until now that there was a notice of "ten minutes later" (06:23 UTC) Had I noticed. I certainly wouldn't have reverted. TheGRVOfLightning (talk) 11:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Capital ß and ij[edit]

Hi Richard, I just noticed that user ßlackHeart (the one who claims that ß is a capital letter) also made this edit to IJ (Amsterdam). Personally I don't feel that such a remark is appropriate for an article about a body of water — or encyclopaedic at all. I don't think there is a need to state what the letter(s) do not stand for, especially in view of the detailed (and maybe also superfluous) explanation already given. What do you think? Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 20:04, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I read his edit summary, which (again) illustrates his skill in comprehensive reading. You're right, this addition has (had) no added value and might as well be reverted (which I have done just a moment ago). Yesterday, I came across his first (and so far only) edit on the Dutch Wikipedia in which he changed the correct 'IJsbergen' into the flawed 'Ijsbergen'. How he came to doing so, I cannot tell. Richard 08:21, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Ongelofelijk, want iedereen weet dat volgens de Taalunie alleen 'IJsbergen' juist is. Als hij geen idee van de Nederlandse spelling heeft begrijp ik niet waarom hij op nl.WP artikelen bewerkt en verschlimmbessert. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Kennelijk weet niet iedereen dat ;) maar zelfs al zou deze persoon daarop gewezen worden, maak ik me sterk dat hij zich er niets van zou aantrekken (zijn bewerkingen aangaande de hoofdletterstatus van 'ß' in aanmerking genomen). Richard 13:24, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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