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Cavaliers roster[edit]

In regards to your revert of my edit on the Cavaliers roster, could you provide a more constructive reason than, "nope"? TdanTce (talk) 04:18, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

That was not my edit. Rikster2 (talk) 04:29, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Inconsisnent navbox groupings[edit]

Rikster2, and @Corkythehornetfan:, we still have an inconsistency in the navbox groupings that went into effect several months ago. In the case of college football coaches like Jim Harbaugh, the navbox for the subject's current team is placed outside of the grouping. This is not the case for college basketball coaches like Roy Williams. Doesn't seem to be the case for pro coaches like Bill Belichick or Jeff Hornacek. Since you guys took the lead on this navbox grouping, can the two of you work out what the proper form is supposed to be and make things consistent? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 07:16, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

only “current roster” and “current coaches of” templates sit out side the nest. I linked the discussion on this for you last time you asked. I fixed Harbaugh but I am not taking responsibility for all articles. Rikster2 (talk) 13:18, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Well, this should be fixed. @Corkythehornetfan:, thoughts? Jweiss11 (talk) 17:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Jweiss, you asked this same question in August. Scroll up on my talk page where I linked the discussion. I am not a football guy, I am not going to make a point of changing these on football-only types unless I just come across them in editing. Rikster2 (talk) 17:05, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't like the idea... either we group them all or we leave the "current team" and "current conference" outside the group and group the rest. It looks foolish to just leave one (in most cases) outside the group. I'll leave the current ones out and start nesting the coach navbox if that's what's going to make everyone happy. Corky 17:30, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
That was the consensus reached at this discussion. Rikster2 (talk) 18:44, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Larry Nance Jr.[edit]

All due respect, but they do include the Jr. in his name on both the Cavs website and on NBA.com (and it's on the back of his uniform).

Vjmlhds (talk) 23:47, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Can't say "no one" lists him as a center Vjmlhds (talk) 18:21, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
See your talk page. heights, weights and positions are what the TEAM lists the player as, not news reports. This is a temporary stopgap, if the Cavs start to list him as a F/C then the Wikipedia template follows. Rikster2 (talk) 19:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Bill Stauffer[edit]

Big time thanks for doing the article. I've been threatening to do it for years. 04:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC)~

No problem. Rikster2 (talk) 04:53, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Loyola disambiguation[edit]

I notice you reverted an edit I made on the 2017–18 NCAA men's season page of "Loyola (Illinois)" to "Loyola–Chicago". While the disambiguator for "Loyola" has traditionally been the state abbreviation in parentheses, the AP and ESPN are now calling the Chicago school "Loyola–Chicago"—see, for example, the recap of the 2018 MVC men's championship game (AP wire story picked up by ESPN; note also the page heading uses "Loyola-Chicago"). "Loyola (MD)" can stay in that form for now. — Dale Arnett (talk) 03:08, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey Dale - I am supportive of changing the convention, but it’s a change and need to go through the consensus process. Keep in mind all of the historical players and coaches from the program are “Loyola (Illinois)” right now, so there is a reasonable amount of work that needs to happen. Not to mention we need to think about other sports and how they are represented. Rikster2 (talk) 03:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
FYI - the NCAA site still uses Loyola (IL), though that doesn’t mean we could switch to Chicago, which seems more widely used. Rikster2 (talk) 03:22, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Deandre Ayton[edit]

BTW, I was just doing the same - trying to revert the vandalism - not calling your edit of vandalism. KylieTastic (talk) 16:49, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

thanks for checking in, I got it. I realized I had reverted some valid content. Rikster2 (talk) 16:50, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns Men's Basketball[edit]

Thank you for your continued help in editing the pages for Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns Men's Basketball and Bob Marlin from the disruptive editing coming from selected IP addresses. Mattsulli123 (talk) 17:01, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

No problem. Rikster2 (talk) 17:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Roster vandalism[edit]

I noticed that you're frequently the one having to revert and warn the range of IPs 45.58* and 45.78* (from ISP Fibernetics and based in Toronto, like this one) that keep vandalizing rosters. Let me know when you see them, and I can block them. Hopefully, they'll get bored eventually. Per Wikipedia:Revert, block, ignore, you can probably save time and not warn this character anymore.—Bagumba (talk) 09:52, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey - yes, I watch all these templates because they generally are targets for misuse, either this type of vandalism or premature transactions, etc. I have been giving the benefit of the doubt and “informing” instead of warning, even though I’ve been pretty sure this Guy is the same person vandalizing. Maybe I will try letting you know from here. thanks Rikster2 (talk) 14:08, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

He's back[edit]

Just want to let you know that Colonies Chris also moved to ice hockey pages and started doing the same thing despite the ruling of ANI in December 2017. I believe he again should be reported if this behavior continues. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:57, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

As you may have seen, I have called him out on this at his Talk page. If you feel like he is still dropping state with his script (and he was as recently as yesterday on basketball articles), then feel free to post at ANI. The outcome was very clear. Rikster2 (talk) 16:43, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
I put a note on the admin who closed the ANI's talk page. Rikster2 (talk) 18:01, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I will keep an eye on him. And reporting it to the closing admin is a good move since he is familiar with this situation. – Sabbatino (talk) 19:05, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

@Rikster2, Sabbatino: I just made another post to Chris about dropping states. The last ANI was worded around state abbreviations, if one wanted to wikilawyer it. There should be no dispute at this point that there is no consensus to use AWB to drop states, abbreviation or not, from tables and lists. If anyone posts to ANI, I'd suggest stripping AWB rights.—Bagumba (talk) 14:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Luke Kennard[edit]

My bad. Must have pressed rollback by accident. Didn't even realize it.--Yankees10 01:03, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Portsmouth Invitational Tournament[edit]

Rikster2, per your edit at Portsmouth Invitational Tournament, note that we categorize "pre-draft" college football all-star games like the East–West Shrine Game and the Senior Bowl as college football events. What's the difference with basketball? Also, note the categorization of 2008 Portsmouth Invitational Tournament. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:19, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

No way, man. It’s a summer event (months after the season ends) for players after they have used their eligibility as an NBA scouting event. In no way is that a “college basketball tournament” like the others in the category. I’m not sure why you guys categorize football pre-draft events that way, it isn’t correct. Rikster2 (talk) 00:23, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
The analogous event to the Senior Bowl is the Reese's College All-Star Game. That’s held at the Final Four and is reasonably a college basketball event. Rikster2 (talk) 00:25, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
The Portsmouth Invitational Tournament is held in April. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:34, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
but unlike All-Star games, there is no affiliation with college basketball. Rikster2 (talk) 00:41, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
In what way are the East–West Shrine Game and the Senior Bowl affiliated with college football that Portsmouth Invitational Tournament is not affiliate with college basketball? Jweiss11 (talk) 01:02, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I don’t know anything about those events. But the college All-Star game is put on by the NABC and played at the Final Four before the season is over. The PIT has no affiliation with college basketball, it’s an event originally sponsored by the NBA. Rikster2 (talk) 01:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
What difference can you discern from the text of articles in question? Jweiss11 (talk) 01:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
why are you insistent that basketball articles follow Football convention? Football all-star games are always after the season because of how common injuries are. Basketball isn’t the same. And the Portsmouth Inpvitational has absolutely nothing to do with college basketball. It isn’t an all-star game, it’s an AAU-style tournament for potential draftees. Rikster2 (talk) 03:12, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
What I'm after is consistency across the encyclopedia. All of these college all-star games follow the seasons of their respective sports. There isn't time for them during the season, in football or basketball. I'm not seeing any distinction between the Portsmouth Invitational and these other games aside from your personal preference and unconvincing interpretation. The first sentence of the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament reads, "The Portsmouth Invitational Tournament, or "PIT", is the oldest amateur basketball tournament in the United States and the only postseason camp restricted to college basketball seniors." That sounds like college basketball to me. Do you plan to edit the categories of 2008 Portsmouth Invitational Tournament? Jweiss11 (talk) 03:23, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
It is not an All-Star game. It had more in common with the Chicago pre-draft camp. i feel no obligation to be held to consensus arrived at by college football dudes. That’s not how it works. A category being applied differently because you guys want pre-draft camps counted as college events is not a big consistency problem. A tournament featuring a bunch of former college players trying to get on NBA radars has nothing to do with the college basketball season, it has to do with the runup to the NBA draft. It is purely a scouting event Rikster2 (talk) 03:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I appreciate you editing the 2008 article for consistency. The most important thing I need you to revise is this idea that there are "college football" editors and that you're a "college basketball" editor. We are all editors making one cohesive, interlaced encyclopedia. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:41, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
OK, then my advice to you is to keep an open mind beyond what a group of football-focused editors decided years ago. The sports have differences and no one is going to feel constrained by a set of standards that had one sport in mind. The recent discussion at WP:NFL on high schools in the infobox was a stark reminder to me why the sports can and will have to diverge sometimes. Rikster2 (talk) 03:44, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Any difference that isn't intrinsic to the difference between sports should not be reflected as a difference in style here in this encyclopedia. I'm not sure what the upshot of the WP:NFL discussion on high schools was, but I know that state codes should not apply to basketball and football differently. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:50, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
That’s A view, but why don’t you go talk to hockey then? I think a measure of consistency is great, but if the Sports can’t agree it isn’t a big deal. Football is nearly 100% an American audience. We probably have more regular basketball editors outside the US than inside. Football essentially has one monolith pro league, basketball has hundreds. I’m not going to tell your members what to do, but at the same time I am not going to feel like we need to be held to standards devised solely by football editors if they aren’t optimal. For example, we aren’t adding “College Foo starting point guard” navboxes like you have for quarterbacks. We aren’t adding succession boxes plus navboxes like baseball does. We aren’t following hockey’s list of clubs vs. a chronology like hockey does. Minor differences aren’t a big deal. Rikster2 (talk) 03:59, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
You're still viewing editors as if they have balkanized club membership. That's a problem. Our long term goal should to eliminate these various differences, where such differences are not inherent to subject, but merely the product of differing idiosyncrasies of various editors. Starting QB is an example of a special structure in football that has no analog in basketball. We've already made great strides to bring formatting uniformity across sports, particularly across American college sports. I will continue to move in that direction. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

LaGerald Vick[edit]

His mom might be saying he intends to hire an agent, but he says he's not. In a statement he released through KU's official website he said: "I have nothing but great memories and times with the Jayhawk family – my coaches, my teammates and the fans, I will never forget the accomplishments and how you all have supported me. It is now time for me to move on to the next chapter of my life. I am declaring for the 2018 NBA Draft and do not plan to hire an agent at this moment. Thanks for the love. ROCK CHALK!!!" There is no better source then straight from his mouth.--Rockchalk717 18:43, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

OK. I know this stuff is fluid this time of year. I was just going by the AP article. Rikster2 (talk) 18:59, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Repeat linker[edit]

It appears that this IP range of 240D:1A:FC:2B00:* has been serially repeating links of teams in infoboxes for a while. I rangeblocked then for a week. If they show up again, give them the ol good faith warning, but ask for a rangeblock if the dont stop. (BTW, the guideline is technically WP:REPEATLINK and not WP:OVERLINK). Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 03:10, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

And if anyone wanta to claim the exception that its useful, we have our project consensus at WP:NBACAREERHIST.—Bagumba (talk) 03:12, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Article idea[edit]

Hi Rikster. Just an FYI, Bob Prewitt was an SMU basketball coach who recently died who is currently a redlink. Thought you might want to tackle this one. I might get around to it if you don't but I've been focusing on writing articles for G-League/European league players recently. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 01:47, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks - I will consider it. There have been a few college coaches who have died over the last few weeks. I actually just created Dick Fichtner. Feel free to create it if you feel like it. I have been busy lately so article time has been a little hard to come by. Rikster2 (talk) 20:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
I created Frazier, thanks for the tip. Also, I have a question. There is a Justin Robinson who is possibly notable who plays for Virginia Tech. He was born in 1995 but Justin Robinson (basketball, born 1995) is already taken. What would his article be? Would It be Justin Robinson (Virginia Tech) and then we redirect when he goes pro? ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 16:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Funny, you posted the img on my talk as I was writing the Garrett article! ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 22:03, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I saw you tweaked the Westchester templates so I thought you might be planning to write it soon. Rikster2 (talk) 22:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Date ranges[edit]

Just to clarify, do you want a range for more than 3 straight years, or 3 years or more. I'm not sure.Bluesangrel (talk) 02:00, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

any range of 3 or more consecutive wins. Could be 3 or 20. Used in infobox for space reasons. Rikster2 (talk) 02:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
OK. The reason I wasn't using ranges though is because I found several articles where say if a player had won 5 championships, the range would be typed as something like 1992–1996 - some editor would then see 1992 and 1996, and incorrectly interpret it as 2 championships won, and not 5. They would then edit the article infobox to list to 2 championships won, and not 5. I saw edits like that several times, so that's why I would just list the years out.Bluesangrel (talk) 19:11, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Ranges are pretty common English usage. The folks interpreting "5x 1992-1996" as "2x 1992, 1996" are getting it wrong. Rikster2 (talk) 19:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)


Deaths in 2018[edit]

Hello, when you add people to the Deaths in 2018 page, please note that they should be in alphabetical order under each day. Thank you. --Marbe166 (talk) 17:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, thought I was - I thought I inserted it between Ivankin and Roundtree. But thanks for moving it. Rikster2 (talk) 17:17, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
You did, but it is Johnson Roundtree. --Marbe166 (talk) 17:29, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Understood, but typically I'd see a hyphen or it would be treated as a middle name. Honest mistake, I add names to the list all the time. We're good - thank you for closing the loop. Rikster2 (talk) 17:36, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
By the way - {{DEFAULTSORT:Roundtree, Dovey Johnson}} - which is it? Should be corrected in one place or the other. I think it is in the wrong place on the deaths list based on the Washington Post obit which calls her "Ms. Roundtree." Rikster2 (talk) 17:37, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Quick question[edit]

Hello! First of all, thank you for reviewing the pages I've edited in the last few days and correcting the mistakes I had done – it seems that I'm still a bit rusty after several years of inactivity on Wikipedia. I used to edit on football articles and I'm new at editing and creating basketball pages, so I still have to learn some aspects of it. I have a question: I saw that you changed some names in the Parade HS All-America teams that I wrote. I had written those names that way because that's how they were reported by the press at the time: for example, Tito Horford was still known with his actual name Alfredo, Boo Harvey was known as Greg, Pooh Richardson as Jerome, and so on. For what I understand, they still did not have their nicknames during their high school years, they got them later. So, isn't it more correct to write their names as they were reported by the press, since at the time their nicknames did not exist? Because in 1985 nobody wrote, say, "Pooh Richardson", they all wrote Jerome. Let me know what you think! Thank you! --Triple 8~enwiki (talk) 10:54, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I think it’s more important that the names are recognizable to readers (using WP:COMMONNAME) vs. to exactly record them how they appeared in the article. All those guys (Tito, Boo, Pooh) were known by those nicknames as high school players too - I remember their recruitments (especially Horford’s crazy one, and absolutely no one called “Alfredo”). It’s different if a player actually changes their name (like Kareem or Metta World Peace). If you feel really strongly about it, change them back. I checked 1984-1985 articles at newspapers.com and “Pooh” Richardson was pretty common. Rikster2 (talk) 11:37, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. There's no problem at all, I will not change them. I am far less experienced on this subject than you are so I'll leave the names as they are. I had this doubt too but I thought they got their nicknames later – I was wrong. By the way I'm curious now, what did you mean when you wrote that Horford's recruitment was crazy? --Triple 8~enwiki (talk) 23:01, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Article on the Tito Horford recruitment. But that’s not all. Rikster2 (talk) 23:22, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Templates[edit]

Hey, maybe the "current season" link should be removed from the NBA templates? Kante4 (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the franchise templates need discussion in general - they show up in a lot of places where it’s hard to figure out why (announcers, former GMs, etc). “Current season” actually seems reasonable to me, but they need to be removed from the previous seasons in this case. We have problems of too many templates anyway. Rikster2 (talk) 12:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Agree. And we have the season template for every team so the current season does not have to be there, for me. Kante4 (talk) 13:01, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Mel Thompson[edit]

I'm concerned about the viability of this article. If, indeed, the only notable thing about Thompson is that he coached Pat Conroy, then he doesn't seem notable enough for an article. I've seen other people point out in deletion discussions that "notability isn't inherited." If he is notable for coaching Conroy, then it seems a quote from Conroy about him is one of the most notable things about him. What are your thoughts on this? Amsgearing (talk) 16:15, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

You said "see my response on the talk page" but I don't see a response anywhere. Amsgearing (talk) 16:26, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, thanks for the edit conflict - it is below Rikster2 (talk) 16:27, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
It’s not the only thing he is notable for. But it separates him from other, relatively ordinary college basketball coaches and is what he is known for by non-basketball fans. He met GNG as a star basketball player for NC State and he coached at the major college level for seven years, either of those would garner the cumulative coverage to meet GNG. But if ONE OF the things that makes him notable is that he’s featured in the Conroy book, then it should be in the lead. But you changed something else - you took out the book title altogether and replaced it with a general anecdote about Thompson by Pat Conroy. I believe this is WP:UNDUE weight for that statement given the context of a short article - and that is before you note that he may not have actually said it at all - it’s not a direct quote, it’s an anecdote. Even if you move the line, the wording in my opinion is inappropriate for a biographical article. Rikster2 (talk) 16:27, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, sorry about the removal of the book thing - that was an honest mistake on my part and i thought I had left that in. I've re-inserted stuff about the book and re-ordered the paragraph to put all the Conroy info in one paragraph. I'll re-read the quote thing now that I've read your response. In any case, it's pretty clear, the more I research, that Conroy had a pretty low opinion of Thompson. Amsgearing (talk) 16:33, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Right, but how deep do you into that in a stub that’s a few paragraphs long? If ther were a lot more info on his playing and coaching careers it wouldn’t stick out so much Rikster2 (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Well, that's a matter of opinion, of course. If he's mostly notable for being Pat Conroy's coach, then I don't think it matters "how deep" - it only matters whether the material is sourced, and whether it's notable enough to include. The quote about black players is a direct quote from Conroy about Thompson that was published in the New York Times, so I don't think that reliability is in question there. Amsgearing (talk) 16:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
WP:UNDUE isn't about reliability (though again, he didn't actually say it so why are we putting it in a short article?) it is about how much weight to give the statement. The statement paints him as a racist, and I don't think that is necessary given one data point. And I didn't mean he was only notable for being in the book, what I meant was that it is one thing that separates him from similar others and therefore is probably worth being in the lead. To be honest, I don't really understand why you are so dead set against noting he was in the Conroy book in the lead but there is a limit to how much I am going to fight that. Rikster2 (talk) 18:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
If 98% of the material available about Thompson is directly related to Pat Conroy, I'd say the first-hand quote about Thompson from Conroy is pretty relevant. I guess we're not going to agree on this point so maybe some sort of third-party input is necessary. Amsgearing (talk) 20:39, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

It is not correct that 98% of the material is about Conroy. That may be true if present-day sources, but there’s plenty from his time as a player and coach. But the article isn’t particularly long that a potentially defamatory recollection needs to be in there if not balanced by a deeper discussion of his entire public life. I’d encourage you to read WP:UNDUE. Rikster2 (talk) 21:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Doncic height listing at real Madrid site is very wrong and should not be used[edit]

Dozens of sources have said he's been officially measured at 6-8 and 230. Those listing on his team's website are from when he was 16 years old. I know there is this idea that only a team's website listing should be used here for heights and weights, but that cannot be the case, when those listings are well known and proven to be very outdated and incorrect.Bluesangrel (talk) 22:04, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

it’s his LISTED height. That is what the field is, not true height. Real Madrid lists him how they list him. It’s the same as Kevin Durant, who is way taller than 6’9. At a minimum you need to source a height/weight if using something other than the listed one. Rikster2 (talk) 23:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
I used the NBA.com draft profile. It’s a little taller and at least it is something official. It isn’t 6’8 though. Rikster2 (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Well, these heights are clearly wrong, and I would never say that if it was not true.Bluesangrel (talk) 02:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Mikal Bridges[edit]

Good luck. I give up. Cheers, 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 01:32, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Has the trade gone through? That would be unfortunate IMO. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 01:49, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Yep, announced. Hate it for the kid and his mom Rikster2 (talk) 01:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
      • Whatever, he'll probably start for the Suns and may develop into a pretty good player. As a Sixers fan it certainly is not great since I'm not so high on Zhaire Smith. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 01:55, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Help me with vandals . I am Greek sorry for my bad English.[edit]

Kostas antetokounmpo and Eric Bledsoe are being vandalized and I no not how to report and revert. If you could help I would appreciate. Jerry44west (talk) 04:09, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Re:Summer League[edit]

I will keep that in mind from now on. I was thinking the infobox would mention the summer league team until the end of summer league and then be removed without listing in the team history, since they are technically representing the team. But I don't feel very strongly about this and am willing to no longer follow this made-up convention. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 23:11, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Like I said, I’m not going to fight over these (though I will remove them from the club history and delete players from the roster templates). Right now due to the flurry of signings and the draft things are just crazy. Nice job with your article creations over the last month or so - lots of draft picks and free agents. Rikster2 (talk) 23:18, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
What should we do with players who have been announced as signing two way contracts? ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 20:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Per any other signing we technically should wait until it is announced by the team. I haven't been pushing it, but I have been checking team pages and Twitter every day waiting for this. None have been announced yet. Rikster2 (talk) 20:14, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Basketball SNG[edit]

As an offshoot from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball#LNB_Pro_A_Notability, do you agree with the inclusion of these Eastearn Europrean leagues that I tried to revert as "no consensus" before? As a background, the editor added it based on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball/Archive_10#Revised_WP:NHOOPS_guideline, where you commented "but need to look further at the Eastern European leagues you recommend. This same editor recently tried a backdoor tactic to add criteria to the boxing SNG, but was thwarted. I don't know much about those basketball leagues, maybe they "really" do belong, but I'd be hard pressed to believe it based on that discussion alone.—Bagumba (talk) 11:23, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

I have no idea if those leagues meet the “every one minute of one game” standard. The issue, and why I wanted them tested, is that most sources would be in languages that English-speakers can’t even begin to search under (I can search Spanish, French, Italian, etc. sources pretty easily without speaking those languages because of the common alphabet). This is why it would be valuable to set a standard around them. But, no, I don’t think an agreement was reached to add them. What do you think about using awards and/or games played thresholds and creating a more tiered system? I would be more comfortable making a “leap of faith” for some of these top leagues in countries where it is known basketball is popular (Russia, Serbia, China, etc) if it were held to, say, 150-200 games played or if a person were an All-League player. Rikster2 (talk) 13:34, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Part of the problem is you get fans of certain leagues who make it their mission to write articles for every player in it, usually stubs that don’t prove notability. This time it’s LNB Pro A, but is also happeneing for the Japanese League and the Canadian NBL a few years back (and that Canadian League is a minor league). Rikster2 (talk) 13:36, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
I’m ok with awards, but still want to demonstrated that the criteria is likely to meet GNG in 90% of cases. I dont automatically believe that all award winners of a league are notable, or that they are inherently notable just becuae they played in any ol league for a long time. All thresholds should be proven before they become SNGs. Getting back to those Eastern leagues, are you willing to revert it? I dont really want to edit war on my own; however, the edit warrer in this case basically forced their POV in without consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 16:08, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
OK, I’ve reverted the adds. Look, I’m not going to go thru the trouble of amending NBASKETBALL and doing all the work to prove the case. I used to do that and just had Professional category people keep throwing blockades/changing requests for proof to thwart it. F that, I don’t have my whole like to live on WP. Rikster2 (talk) 18:33, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Understood. Honestly, I think GNG should be the general rule used, and NSPORTS should just be for the obvious ones that get AfDed over and over and end up being kept all the time. I'm sure there's no consensus on my take either. Some people just want to right "bias" for coverage that doesn't exist, or think "top league" of said country is enough. American cricket anyone?—Bagumba (talk) 18:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
On another note, it looks like Israel was added without much proof being demanded. At least that one had a decent number of people agreeing with it's inclusion.—Bagumba (talk) 19:12, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Georges Niang[edit]

Georges Niang has signed a new contract with the Utah Jazz. It’s not a two-way contract. The Jazz have announced this in a press release.https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-sign-forward-georges-niang — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.100.126 (talk) 11:01, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

You’re right, I apologize. I had checked the Jazz site but for some reason missed the press release. Rikster2 (talk) 11:05, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
It’s alright. 79.75.100.126 (talk) 11:09, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Georgios Papagiannis[edit]

The height listing and weight listing for him was 7-2 275 in Europe, and in NBA draft listings also. the 7-1 240 was from his junior year of high school in USA and for some reason NBA used that. Finally, the NBA updated it to 7-2 275 for summer league. Regaredless of what NBA profile says, that listing is clearly absurd and an example of why there should be exceptions here to how height and weight listings are done and not just whatever the team listing says. Anyone can look at Papagiannis and see 240 pounds is a completely absurd listing...he looks like 290 at least by the eyes. Seriously, you can see how ridiculously wrong that listing is by looking at him in a game with other players. There has to be some kind of exception made to this listing only what a team listing says, in such blatantly wrong cases like this, especially when we have listings from Europe and summer league that are different.Bluesangrel (talk) 00:40, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

it’s listed height and it’s been consistent in the NBA. Sounds like he might switch teams soon. Maybe they will list his height differently. Plus, one inch isn’t “so different”. Rikster2 (talk) 00:42, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Guess what? Kevin Durant isn’t 6’9 either Rikster2 (talk) 00:43, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Is the 2018 NBA Summer League considered to be part of the 2018-19 NBA season? ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 14:08, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

it’s preseason I guess, just like the draft, training camp, free agency, etc. Rikster2 (talk) 14:57, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Aundre Jackson[edit]

About Aundre Jackson birthplace, some of the sources say that it is Kennedale, Texas, but those are usually stats pages [1] [2]. After a bit more digging I come across his Mclenna JC profile and it states he was born in Fort Worth, Texas [3]. Isn't it a safe bet that the Mclenna profile would be more accurate? Dammit_steve (talk) 12:07, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the college bio is usually reliable when they specifically highlight a birthplace. I am always skeptical if the player’s “birthplace” is the same as his high school town or “hometown” from their college profile and try to get . Many sites just take this city and slap it into a birthplace field, even though these are not the same thing. RealGM.com is notorious for this and as a result I NEVER believe they are a reliable source for birthplace. Rikster2 (talk) 12:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Daryl Macon[edit]

I got that info from RealGM. Though I'm not sure it's accurate.User:SimonLagann (talk) 22:18, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Awards in basketball infobox[edit]

Thank you for your explanation, I used to write them in chronological order, which was the only way it made sense to me since I had not found a player article model. I'll sort them as you told me. NCAA All-American lists are a lot of work... I am currently formatting the 1985 list on my computer in order to publish it on Wikipedia, but it takes so long with all the wikilinks I have to add. --Triple 8~enwiki (talk) 06:24, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

inconsistency[edit]

Rikster, I have found 11 NBA players who signed with a team in the regular season, and did not play a minute for the team, and, properly, do not have their narrative accompanied by any mention of not playing. I am reluctant to tell you who those players are because I believe it is improper to note that as its goal is to somehow minimize making an NBA team, and do not want to help include that comment in theirs. Also, I have found no other player who includes that comment. A player would never include that in a description of another player who makes a roster, because they understand there is no difference. Also, I have serious doubts that any fan sees that as relevant information in any way. The mention of a team as a team who paid a player and who had the player on their roster should always be included in the list of teams, because, simply it is fact that the player was a member of the team, on the roster, and was compensated by the team in the regular season and or playoffs. 2601:189:57F:4235:C4A:1D95:A855:E2E7 (talk) 01:28, 11 August 2018 (UTC)ajg sr.

Dude, you are totally off the deep end on this. It isn’t a slight to say that a person signed with a team in-season but didn’t play a game - it’s notable because it’s somewhat rare (like if there are 10-11 other players besides Tony Gaffney out of thousands of NBA players). It explosions the detail of the tenure, it explains why the club doesn’t appear in the infobox or as a category, etc. I find it somewhat bizarre that you are obsessed about this. Rikster2 (talk) 02:07, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Jarnell Stokes[edit]

I guess everybody makes mistakes. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 01:07, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I don’t know how that happened. Luckily somebody cleaned it up for me! Rikster2 (talk) 09:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

You’re evil[edit]

DONT TALK TO ME NO MORE KNUCKLEHEAD Parker4495 (talk) 23:40, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

lol Rikster2 (talk) 23:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Curtis Hollis[edit]

Given the additional sources I mentioned at the AfD, I respectfully ask you to take another look at your delete vote. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 12:58, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

I just did. Still don’t think he meets GNG. Rikster2 (talk) 13:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Newspapers.com clippings[edit]

Do you have the clippings for the Newspapers.com sources that you used in Bruce Dalrymple? The article links that you currently have in the citations aren't accessible by non-subscribers (I had to login to see them).—Bagumba (talk) 12:47, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, but I won’t have time to update these until tonight. Rikster2 (talk) 12:49, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
No prob, whenever.—Bagumba (talk) 12:55, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Actually, I may be able to. Can you test the new Boston Globe ref? Rikster2 (talk) 12:57, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

sports-reference link at Wallace Wade[edit]

Rikster2, per your edits at Wallace Wade regarding the external link to sports-reference, do you have a consensus discussion to support the inclusion of one-off, non-standardized links? The existence of Template:Basketballstats with nearly 2000 transclusions implies a consensus for use of that template to links to Basketball-Reference.com. I have no issue with expanding that template to also service links to SRCBB. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

If there is no consensus then why would you revert my edit when your original edit was that you removed it because it was a deadlink? You made it sound like there was a consensus not to use these, which is why I asked. I don’t really care if links are done via a template of not, so feel free to uodate that and if you need votes for a consensus I will chime in. Rikster2 (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Because the overriding default is not to support random, one-off links. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:37, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
That has not been my experience at all (except I don’t agree that sports-reference.com is “random” or “one-off”). We often have school bios, stat links etc in the “External links” section. Rikster2 (talk) 01:16, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Generally there should only be two kind of external links included for sports bios: 1) official sites, which would include a person's profile page at a team or university website or 2) structural listings from definitive websites standardized with a template. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:54, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
We are not so bureaucratic to require templates before an EL is added. No problem with adding it into {{basketballstats}} as an enhancement, not a prerequisite. It's been at the back of my mind, but has been low priority with basketball-reference having both college stats in its NBA entries now, and I think they also link to the sports-refeerence profile too. Coaching stats (pro and college) links would be a good enhancement too—Bagumba (talk) 03:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Waived[edit]

Hey, when a team waives a player could you just add "He was waived on October 16" or whatever and the ref? It would save work for me later. Thanks ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 19:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Rockets 2-way players[edit]

I was looking for official news on Rockets' site, but they are one of the teams that often do not publish less important news like - waivers of marginal players, G-league call-ups etc.

They have 16 players on their roster at the moment, which is only possible if at least one of the players is on a two-way deal (15 is the limit for regular contracts unless someone is suspended, like Meeks in Milwaukee)

Reliable source that both of them were converted: https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1051944680336908289

Also, if you select Rockets here http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine , you'll see those two marked as 2-way players.

Right, but the standard is when the team or league (G League is fine for 2-way players) announces the move. The G League tends to always announce these when they are official. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m saying the team hasn’t acknowledged these moves yet, which is the consensus standard. Rikster2 (talk) 14:25, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you again[edit]

Thank you for cleaning up the articles I've created recently, I always struggle with the order of the awards in the infobox since I've seen a bit of inconsistency in the various articles I browsed trying to figure it out. --Triple 8~enwiki (talk) 15:39, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Coaching stats in infobox[edit]

Any thought on the proposed changes at User_talk:Bagumba#I_think_we_should_explore_adding_fields_to_Infobox_basketball_biography_...?—Bagumba (talk) 10:34, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I like the look of the Thompson mock-up. I get concerned if we don't have current coaching record for active coaches it will be seen as a take-away by those who like to update college basketball coach articles. Rikster2 (talk) 13:30, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Or "those" might just really be "the one".—Bagumba (talk) 00:33, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
No, there are some editors who change college coaches away from basketball biography when created in that template. I assume there is a reason they do this, and that the reason is that the college coach infobox contains info like record. Rikster2 (talk) 04:59, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Maybe they just "think" they are being consistent for college coaches? Is there even a "rule" on when to use one template or another for college coaches? I guess nobody pays attention to a DIII coach like David Arseneault Jr., but that's always used the basketball template.—Bagumba (talk) 05:19, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Donte Ingram[edit]

Hey, if a player is added to a G League team like Donte Ingram be sure to add a ref that they joined the squad. Usually you can jost go to the roster on the website. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 14:25, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

When I am updating hundreds of players (because nobody else is) then I can’t guarantee I hit every one. It’s a collaborative effort. Rikster2 (talk) 14:35, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
@Editorofthewiki: Wikipedia requires information be verifiable, which doesn't necessarily mean that it always has an inline citation. At any rate, like in this case, Rikster2 often (usually?) places a url in the edit summary. That aside, my experience is that his edits are trustworthy (or a rare honest mistake). Not much else I would ask for.—Bagumba (talk) 15:04, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I know EDDY is coming from a good place. My point is just that by the time we get to the point where players are making debuts for their new teams, the articles ought to already be updated. When I’m going through and trying to ensure that, for example in this case, all new G League players are categorized correctly, I don’t have time to do major surgery on articles. Ingram was your creation, EDDY, why didn’t you update it when he was assigned to the Legends? I am sure the answer was “because I was busy with other stuff” - which is fine. But my experience is that if you let the category updates go too long it’s hard to ensure they get applied. Rikster2 (talk) 15:18, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Hey it's really no big deal, I have no doubts that Rikster would only add accurate information. If you want, you can ignore what I just said, it's really nothing to just find and add a source. If you feel like you are the only one adding cats for new G League players, I'd be happy to help -- and I have been helping. I just think having all the information properly sourced is more important than having up-to-date categories, but that is itself important and appreciated. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 01:16, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Look, I don’t think I’m the only person doing this, but if I’m updating categories for a hundred articles and updating them along the way I’m not going to always have time to dot every I and cross every T. I take the long view on the categories - if it doesn’t get done when it happens then these lists get outdated. If you have a different priority order, knock yourself out. Rikster2 (talk) 01:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Jimmy Butler to 76ers trade[edit]

I am sorry for my premature edit. I only did it because somebody said that Dario Saric had signed with the TWolves and was not traded to them. I was just fixing his mistake. Thanks. WarriorsFan30112335 (talk) 00:57, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

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