User talk:Rjwilmsi/Archives/2009/June

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Thank you for all your hard work on AWB. I have started a discussion at Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard#AWB that I would appreciate your input on. I have been trying to figure out which version of AWB should be used by bots, and cannot seem to find one. At this point the conversation has evolved to using custom modules to disable portions of AWB general fixes. --Pascal666 00:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


I'm lost without the firefox auto-spellcheck! Tubeyes (talk) 16:23, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of WikiBlame

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A tag has been placed on WikiBlame requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

Sorry for the template, easiest way to link back. You didn't specify why Wikiblame might be notable, so I've marked it with an A7. Syrthiss (talk) 16:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I moved the article to Wikipedia:WikiBlame as it's a tool that is only relevant to Wikipedia and I cannot think of any real-world significance. Regards SoWhy 08:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure that WikiBlame is in fact restricted to Wikipedia only, but I'm happy with a Wikipedia namespace page. Thanks Rjwilmsi 09:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

AWB stuff

(I've asked this on IRC, but Reedy's not around and you seem to be active here, so please forgive me:) When I try to load Main.cs in Visual C# 2008 Express Edition, I get "Type could not be read from the data in line 559, position 3... The conversion exception was: Unable to find assembly 'WikiFunctions, Version=, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'." That refers to Main.resx, of which line 559 is "", which is a bit weird. I don't know much about C# and applications programming in general, just want to try it and find out. Any ideas? No problem if you don't - it's a long shot I know - but thought I'd give asking you a try. I managed to suppress it last night, but can't remember how. Cheers, - Jarry1250 (t, c) 12:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that's just VS being noddy. If you close it down, SVN update, remove any local changes to any resx or project files and reopen VS it usually clears the error. Rjwilmsi 12:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Seems like a reasonable suggestion, but doesn't appear to have worked in this instance. I have just noticed some warnings when loading the solution though ("The referenced component WikiFunctions could not be found"), which seems like the root of the problem. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 12:50, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
That'd be a filepath I need to change somewhere then, I'm guessing. Just need to find it now. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 12:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually, on second thoughts, the warning does disappear, so maybe the reference does get resolved. Back to square one. Might have to give up rather than filling up your talk page. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 12:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Try pressing F6 to build the solution. That might flush out the errors. Rjwilmsi 12:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, something's made it start working. God knows what though (I haven't tried F6). Thanks for your suggestions anyhow. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

--Kudpung (talk) 04:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Croome collection

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Re: Kartellverband katholischer deutscher Studentenvereine

Thanks for the edit substituting Template:Start date and years ago for Template:Birth date; the start-date template may be recent enough to have escaped me when I searched out needed items for the Template:Infobox Organization on 14 April 2008. B. C. Schmerker (talk) 07:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of United States Indoor Football League

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An article that you have been involved in editing, United States Indoor Football League, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States Indoor Football League. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Tom Danson (talk) 21:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Reverted your bot changes

Hi, I've reverted (most of) these changes to Brandon Hein for the reason mentioned here. IMO this practice is ill-advised and does not serve readers well. Please pass this comment along to the bot's owner, thanks. --CliffC (talk) 14:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

The references are reordered to be in numerical order (not based on their length or any attempt to derive their importance). Numerical ordering is the style adopted by scientific journals (search for free ones at highwire) as it gives the most consistent appearance. If a single point is referenced multiple times then I think that a reader would expect that all references are relevant, regardless of the order. If not, either the article has too much referencing, or the reference to the point should include a further explanation of the sources (Wikipedia allows multiple sources to be included within the same <ref> tag where appropriate). Thanks Rjwilmsi 15:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but I must disagree with the reordering of citations for "most consistent appearance", and I see from your archives that I am not the first to do so. I think readers will logically expect the most important reference, not the one with the lowest numerical value, to be given first. I think your bot should respect the conscious choice of citation order made by an article's earlier editors, and not change that order without a good reason. --CliffC (talk) 17:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Firstly, based on this style being used in scientific journals (etc.), I don't believe readers would have the expectation you assert, and secondly, I don't believe that Wikipedia editors have a widespread policy of ordering multiple inline references for a single point according to importance (certainly WP:REFNAME makes no mention of this). [Note, we're not talking about reordering 'see also/further reading' sections etc. only about inline references] I rather think references are just added on the end of whatever is already there, so reordering them is not losing a concious decision by an editor. I suggest you raise a discussion on WP:REFNAME to see whether there is support for your opinion. It's my belief that the exact order of such references doesn't really matter, but numerical order is the tidiest way to display a list that has no inherent ordering. You should find that no user is making widespread edits for the sole purpose of reordering references. Thanks Rjwilmsi 17:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


Congrats on being the Wikipedian with the most edits!!! I would love to be on the list. Giving you kudos,

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15:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Dustin Yellin

Please review the changes for the Dustin Yellin page. Can the new edits remove the general notability notice from the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kutsurik (talkcontribs) 18:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Defaultsort case

G'day, I'm afraid you fucked up your script logic this time. Please revert defaultsort case changes like this one. Hesperian 23:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe the sort key after my edit was in compliance with Wikipedia:CAT#Using_sort_keys, specifically "To ensure that entries differing by letter case appear together, apply the convention that initial letters of words are capitalized in the sort key, but other letters are lower case". I object to you using the term "fucked up". This is not behaviour I would expect of an admin. Rjwilmsi 07:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Don't be so precious. It was a friendly message with a swearword in it.
Fine, I'll go change the guideline. Please desist from making any more such edits until this is resolved.
Hesperian 00:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Done. The guideline now tells you how to, but not to, apply a case-insensitive sort. I would argue that it never did, and that you were reading a bit too much into "To ensure that"; but that is a matter to be thrashed out over there rather than here.
Hesperian 01:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


FYI, User:Rjwilmsi/isodate recently started putting itself at the top of Category:Living people for some reason. It's so large, it crashes my browser when I try to see why. Studerby (talk) 20:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've cleared my page. Rjwilmsi 09:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

help request

Hello, I've seen that you are native english speaker and you also speak french. I'm french and I'm working on the portal:Lyon and we need help to translate the articles of each arrondissement and to correct the main articles. I don"t ask you to use all your time in this portal but sometimes if you can correct few mistakes or translate even one line of some french article it would be very nice.

Thank you so much

Lulu97417 (talk) 11:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)