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You has done well.[edit]

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Nice job, those minor edits look nice, especially those redirects! — Soxred93 has a boring sig 19:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Bill Evans Dance[edit]

I see that you started Bill Evans Dance, but it got speedy-deleted? I'm not even a big dance buff and I know Evans' work. Certainly deserves an article. Being an admin, I took a look at the deleted article, and I can see why it got deleted: nothing there indicated why Evans or his troupe are notable. I strongly encourage you to try doing an article on them again, but one that give people a clue why they would care. If you want a copy of your previous, deleted text, let me know.Jmabel | Talk 05:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── (emphasis added)Robert Greer 22:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Ballet Talk[edit]

Unrelated question: to you happen to participate in Ballet Talk? — Jmabel | Talk 05:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I was unaware of its existence; thank you for the tip! — Robert Greer 17:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

American Music Festival ballets and Wikitable[edit]

Thank you! — Robert Greer 19:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── PS Is there a 'bot, macro or other tool available to "Wikitabulate" existing information currently present in columns? — Robert Greer 19:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── You could check out the pages listed at Help:Table#External links - most of those look like table generation tools. — ukexpat (talk) 19:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thank you, again! — Robert Greer 19:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Concerto Barocco[edit]

Just thought I'd pop by and say I saw Concerto Barocco when patrolling Special:Newpages; it's an excellent article :). Always nice to see quality work when I'm bumbling along. ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thank you so much! — Robert Greer 00:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer[edit]

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Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC). Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under flagged protection. Flagged protection is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial. When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Wikipedia:Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here. If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Courcelles (talk) 22:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Eva Evdokimova, prima ballerina assoluta[edit]

I'm puzzled by the inclusion of Eva Evdokimova in Prima ballerina assoluta, awarded in 1976 in the US. What is your take on this? — Robert Greer (talk) 17:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Slightly bemused by the lack of information about Evdokimova. It would seem to me that she is undoubtedly recognised as PBA, but the exact details seem to have been lost. One reference I found suggests that Dudinskaya 'announced' her to be a PBA after her guest appearances with the Kirov, with the Berlin Senate giving 'official' approval for the title shortly after. However other sources suggest that the Berlin Senate only announced her as Prima Ballerina of the Berlin ballet, so it's which version of events is correct. For me the former seems to be the most likely, as I strongly doubt that the Berlin Senate would involve themselves in the promotion of a dancer to the rank of Prima Ballerina. That is a ballet company issue, but it would certainly make sense for the senate to official sanction the use of the PBA title don't you think? Perhaps you can have a dig round for more information on this, if anything accurate exists... we all know how good the ballet world is at distorting the truth though poor record keeping. Crazy-dancing (talk) 08:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I remain deeply skeptical about Evdokimova being an assoluta. Her obit. in the NY Times (Jennifer Dunning, April 6, 2009) says she was a prima ballerina but makes no mention of being a prima ballerina assoluta. The Berliner Morgenposten, April 5, 2009, reads, "Es war, als tanze sie stets in den Himmel hinauf. Eva Evdokimova war viele Jahre lang, von 1973 bis 1985, die Primaballerina wahrhaft assoluta der Deutschen Oper in der Bismarckstraße," which may be a statement of fact or a panegyric. The Guardian, April 8, 2009, says, "Evdokimova decided to join the Deutsche Oper in Berlin in 1969 ... She stayed on in Berlin until 1985 (as prima ballerina from 1973)" [emphasis added]. Playbill writes, "I have programs that list Evdokimova as "prima ballerina assoluta" and there are several reliable sources that say she was given the title by the Kirov's ballet mistress Dudinskaya." What I can find are:

  1. The Times "Eva Evdokimova: prima ballerina assoluta", April 18, 2009
  2. Dance Magazine, December 2005, interview
  3. Ballet Arts bio.
  4. Oxford Dictionary of Dance entry
  5. Find a Grave entry
  6. People, January 11, 1988, Vol. 29, No. 1

I can only access the London Times' headline (and 32 words from the article).

Dance Magazine quotes her as saying, "'Prima ballerina assoluta' is a title reserved for ballerinas who perform the major classical roles and are internationally recognized in those roles. I was given this status by Natalia Dudinskaya and the vote of the Berlin Senate when I joined the Deutsche Oper Ballet in West Berlin," but what Playbill wrote implies that this was at the Kirov [emphasis added].

The Ballet Arts website states that, "She has appeared as Prima Ballerina Assoluta with American Ballet Theater, Kirov Ballet, La Scala Milano, National Ballet of Canada, National Ballet of Cuba, Paris Opera Ballet, Stuttgart Ballet and Tokyo Ballet.... She later joined the Ballet of the Deutsche Oper, Berlin, where she was quickly promoted to Prima Ballerina Assoluta. At the invitation of Natalya Dudinskaya, she joined the Kirov Ballet as a solist" [emphasis added].

She was apparently a solist at the Kirov — and assuredly not an assoluta at ABT, La Scala, the Paris Opera, Stuttgart and Tokyo Ballets and the National Ballets of Canada and Cuba — that would have been news to Alicia Alonso! I do not mean to disparage Evdokimova, but in the absence of a credible source for the Berlin senate decree this is very hard to buy. — Robert Greer (talk) 02:00, 26 October 2011 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I have e-mail from an expert who has a collection of dance memorabilia which may include materials to back up Evdokimova being an assoluta (he casts doubt, however, on Alicia Markova being one!) — Robert Greer (talk) 21:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── There is no question on Markova... I don't know as there will be any evidence of a 'formal' recognition, as with Fonteyn, but look at any material from English National Ballet; they style her as their company Assoluta and that's satisfactory to me. She is also included in a book of PBAs published by Hephaestus Books, not that I've read it, but she is listed on the content description. In traditional ballet terms, PBA is a title bestowed by your balletic peers, not by kings or presidents, and the Russians are entirely to blame for confusing that. This is why the French still use the PBA equivalent "Etoile" as an active rank, with lesser dancers being titled "premier danseur" or principal dancer to you and I. The Italians do the same, and are perhaps even more selective than the French when it comes to promoting people to the rank of Etoile. I realise you know all of this, but it helps to remind ourselves of the origin of the title I suppose, otherwise we forget that there actually is no universal definition of what is a PBA. As for Evdokimova, it certainly seemed to me that the title was without question, but as with so many things in ballet, the story of how she came by it has been confused by people jumbling up her history. Crazy-dancing (talk) 02:01, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations[edit]

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Congratulations on reaching 100000 edits. You have achieved a milestone that very few editors have been able to accomplish. The Wikipedia Community thanks you for your continuing efforts. Keep up the good work!

```Buster Seven Talk 22:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)12 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thank you! — Robert Greer (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2013 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Robert. I get my figures from Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits. You might ask User:WereSpielChequers how they are determined. ```Buster Seven Talk 04:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I am flattered that you notice such things, thank you again! — Robert Greer (talk) 15:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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New message![edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thank you for writing and so promptly! Frustrated, not at all, and not retired, merely semi. — Robert Greer (talk) 18:06, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Prince Hall[edit]

Per this, I don't care where the quote comes from, because this is not a literary exercise. That statement refers to the practice of a regulation, and if that statement is not backed up by fact (and it is not, as it is uncited), then it is an opinion, regardless of the source of the language. If it is an uncited opinion, it is an editorial comment. Editorial comments are not permissible. MSJapan (talk) 01:09, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

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August 30: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday August 30, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

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Proposed deletion of Kathryn Posin[edit]

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Kathryn Posin[edit]

When you created the article on Kathryn Posin you included a lot of detail. Either (a) you've got a photographic memory and knew it all, or (b) the whole article is a hoax, or (c) - much the most likely - you got the information from a book, magazine or website. If (c), please add your source to the article. The article was threatened with deletion as "Biography of living peron with no sources", and I've rescued it from that by adding her faculty page at Gallatin, but you could do much more. Thanks. PamD 08:40, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

None of the above. Robert Greer (talk) 18:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday April 25th, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly WikiWednesday evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda! After the main meeting, pizza and video games in the gallery.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
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We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our agenda, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk)

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Currydon listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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May 23: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday May 23, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

P.S. You are also invited to Action = History: Wikipedia Edit-a-thon for Asian American Literature on Sunday May 27!

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June 20: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (and Pratt Women Wikipedia Design this Saturday June 16)[edit]

Wednesday June 20, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 19:12, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

P.S. You are also invited to Wikiproject Women Wikipedia Design @ Pratt Institute School of Architecture, Saturday, June 16!

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Nomination of Hoist with his own petard for deletion[edit]

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Thursday July 12: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ Jefferson Market Library[edit]

Thursday July 12, 5-8pm: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ Jefferson Market Library
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Wikimedia NYC invites you to attend a Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon on Thursday, July 12th at Jefferson Market Library! Wiki Loves Pride is a global campaign to expand and improve LGBT-related content across all Wikimedia projects, in all languages. We are holding this year's event in July in order to support folx who want to contribute a photograph they took at one of NYC's many Pride events or edit an article about something they learned this June. Not sure what to contribute? No problem! We will have a list of articles that need your help.

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