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Model organisms[edit]

Hi. Concerning adding knockout mouse phenotype data to Gene Wiki articles, I think this is valuable information which enriches the articles. I have however one small quibble, and that is the plug that is made to the KO Mouse Consortium and the Sanger Institute in the text of the article. I think it would be more appropriate to include this attribution in a citation rather than the text of the article.

I think the following recommendation from WP:MEDMOS is relevant: Do not hype a study by listing the names, credentials, institutions, or other "qualifications" of their authors. The text of the article should not needlessly duplicate the names, dates, titles, and other information about the source that you list in the citation.

Again, I think adding the KO phenotype data is great, but where the data came from should not be over hyped. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 21:52, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Boghog. Thanks for you comments. I did think about this quite a bit and we actually had some extensive discussions, including Wikipedians, about the best way of phrasing things. Let me explain the reasoning. We felt it was important to mention the IKMC inline for each article because it is necessary to explain the standardized nature of the programme. Obviously there are thousands of KO mice kicking around labs and lots of different phenotypic descriptions from different labs. I'm not sure it is valuable or particularly appropriate do describe them all in the Gene Wiki, as there is bound to be conflicting information that will be explained by different penetrance of allele, different backgrounds or different phenotyping assays. But the extremely large cohort that is being produced by this programme is unique in scale - in theory we should have a large proportion of the mouse genome covered in a few years. More importantly they all have standardized construction (in terms of the allele type, targeting and the genetic backgrounds of the animals etc), are all freely available, and most important of all, they all undergo exactly the same phenotyping protocols measured to exactly the same parameters. It is this scale and standardization that make the data useful and appropriate for something like the Gene Wiki. So our reasoning of adding the link to the IKMC was not one of hyping the peole behind the data, but simply so the reader can easily understand the context of why this particular phenotyping report of this particular allele is indeed notable and worth reporting. Rather than describe the nature of the programme in each gene article, we thought pointing to IKMC inline would do the trick.
With regards to mentioning the producing institute, I tend to agree with you: I'm less convinced that is appropriate. The argument made to me was that because there are a number of centres involved in production and phenotyping (eventually we will include alleles from all of the producing centres, we've just started with Sanger's because I have easier access to the data), there will inevitably be some differences between them - particularly in phenotyping. It will therefore be important for the reader to know which centre any given allele is from. But of course that argument was made by a room of mouse geneticists interested in such minutiae, I doubt the average article reader will care. During these discussions I didn't think that was a particularly big deal so I didn't push the issue (plus I was more interesting in fighting off those people who insisted we should include the details of the allele, LoxP sites, selection cassettes and all!)
So I agree that it would be perfectly fine to include this info in a citation. The problem now is making all the changes to the >250 articles already created in userspace! I'll start working back through them, but it will take me some time. For the ones already live I need to go back and add another, better citation (once it is published) so I will remove the centre from those at the same time. In the meantime, I'll get the coders to change script that produces the wiki-text automatically on the conclusion of phenotyping, so that the future gene articles omit that information. Does that sound ok? Rockpocket 23:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Great! Thanks for your detailed explanation and for your offer to move the attribution to the citation. I occasionally run a bot, so I may be able to help out with making changes to the articles where the KO data has already been added. The International Knockout Mouse Consortium has already KOed a large fraction of mouse genes. Did you intend to add most of these to the Gene Wiki articles? If so, it might be more appropriate to include this data in collapsible section of the {{PBB}} template similar to the GNF RNA expression pattern data (see for example {{PBB}}; while we are at it I think the RNA data should also be collapsed). If you don't mind, I think we should bring up this topic on the Gene Wiki Discussion page to get input from a wider group of Wikipedians. I think there will be strong support for adding this data, but there may be differing opinions as to the best way to present it. In addition, one of our bots might assist you in adding this data to the rest of the Gene Wiki articles. Boghog (talk) 12:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes, most of the genes have been KO'd in ES cells, but only a few hundred of them have been made into mice and phenotyped so far. Sanger has about 400, and I believe MRC Harwell and UC Davis have a few hundred each currently in progress. I'd like to include all of them in Gene Wiki articles if possible over the next few years. I'm currently updating articles on the first 250 alleles that have been completed, as we are co-ordinating these into a paper (and we are keen, in the spirit of open access, to simultaneously provide summaries on WP). Actually I originally envisioned incorporating these into that template, but there are some additional issues with that (for example, a proportion of the mouse genes are not 1:1 orthologues with a human gene, e.g. Slc22a21). In the end, we decided to push the first 250 out seperately and then get some community input. So I'm happy to have further discussions and if the community feel this data is appropriate for the human PBB box then that is fine with me. Rockpocket 13:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, as you're an experienced trainer, I'd be very interested in your feedback on [1] . Feel free to discuss and improve on the WMUK wiki or in email. Cheers, MartinPoulter (talk) 12:33, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Hedd Wyn[edit]

User:Varlaam's slow revert-war on Hedd Wyn continues. One of his blocks (this one) relates to the same article. You first contributed to his talk page here. Please advise if any action should be taken to prevent further disruption. Thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 08:43, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

No amount of requests to discuss seem to elicit a response (to the talk page). This is exactly the sort of edit summary for which he was blocked previously. It may be in everyone's interests for a topic ban. What do you think? Daicaregos (talk) 15:26, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi Daicaregos. My apologies for the delay in responding to your message. I've been really snowed under a work recently and have had no time for Wikipedia. I'll try and catch up with the background to this over the weekend and respond then. I don't think it would be fair to comment prior to that. If you need more urgent action taken, I'd suggest dropping a notice at AN/I. Rockpocket 23:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for the training on how to use wiki and all the useful information. Orangtip (talk) 12:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Pheromones on the Ref Desk[edit]

Have you seen this? Check the end of Wnt's second paragraph. Can you ship me some? :>) Bielle (talk) 06:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I am prone to worry what someone with that sort of crazy logic might do to a colony of mice. His final sentence is particularly perplexing! Rockpocket 12:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hello! Rockpocket 11:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


Just testing Alexbateman (talk) 11:57, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Insults from User:Murry1975[edit]

Hi Rockpocket. I know you are less active these days, but I wondered if you could have a look at User:Murry1975' s recent edits. I have started a general and a specific discussion about whether WP:IMOS should supersede WP:OVERLINK as regards linking Ireland. In both discussions he has repeatedly called me a "dick" in spite of my pointing out that I regard this as a personal attack. More to the point, he has not answered my specific questions on overlinking. Would it be possible for you to have a word with him when you have a chance? I will withdraw from the discussions for now and let other editors have their say. Take care, --John (talk) 10:17, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Rangers F.C.[edit]


Regarding this: not only isn't there a source attached to it, but it's just an announcement of intent. To be quite honest I'd be surprised if Companies House allowed for such a minor change of trading name as "The Rangers Football Club plc" to just "The Rangers Football Club". I really don't think we should be reporting as fact every thing said in a press conference right now, especially given the historical fragility of announcements from the administrators / owners / potential bidders in this case. There's an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Rangers F.C. if you're interested. Cheers! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

It is being widely reported by reliable sources (which I didn't add simply because it was in the lead). For example, the BBC are reporting the new trading name "is" The Rangers Football Club, which is more than a statement of intent. Nonetheless, I take your points and if there is a consensus, or at least a justification, for removal at this time then that is fine. I just don't typically accept reverts of good faith edits without explanation. Rockpocket 12:48, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I haven't seen any evidence that the "Sevco" coalition even exists as a company right now, let alone that they've registered a new name. Apologies for the revert, but there's a great deal of attention on this article right now and the change to past tense in particular was getting some significant interest. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:36, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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Train the Trainer - Wikimedia UK workshop for volunteers who deliver training events[edit]

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Fake: Forgery, Lies, & eBay[edit]

Hello, thanks for tagging this for notability. 5 years later it's still there, and you may want to consider starting a merge discussion. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:16, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


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Rockpocket, isn't Levineps banned indefinitely from creating new categories? Please see his recent contributions. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 10:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Seems like tattle telling, this ban was years ago I believe I've changed since then. Didn't realize I was even still banned to be honest. How can this ban go away?--Levineps (talk) 14:46, 2 September 2013 (UTC)::
Levineps, on your user page, there is a rather large list of the sanctions imposed on you. It says "These restrictions were imposed on 31 December 2009. They are indefinite by community consensus, as interpreted by Coffee with minor clarification by Rockpocket. They may be lifted by formal community proposal, or by emailing ArbCom." Seems you've also used the "I forgot I was banned" excuse before; see [2]. My intent here is not to "tattle tell" but to serve the Wikipedia community. I know that you have made a mess of categories in the past, and it appears that you may be headed back in that direction; see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 1#Category:Academic publishing companies of the United States. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:56, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
My apologies for being late to the party on this - I edit relatively infrequently these days. Seems another admin has dealt with it in the meantime. For what its worth, I suggest when Levineps returns from his most recent block he appeals to the community for the terms of his sanctions to be loosened. Rockpocket 20:48, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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A Suggestion...[edit]

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Hi Tim, thanks for bringing this to my intention. I'm pretty comfortable with the fact that I declare my professional affiliation very clearly on my user page and I am sufficiently experienced in editing to know what is appropriate factual content and what is not. If someone has an issue with the content that I add to the WTSI page, then I am very happy to defer to their (or a third opinion) due to potential COI considerations. That has not happened to date. So I just get on with improving the encyclopedia when and wherever I can. Rockpocket 22:19, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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Potential sockpuppet of Levineps[edit]

Recently, User:Oriole85 (contribs) has been sporadically popping up on my watchlist for category-related changes. A lot of new users do that, so it wasn't a particularly noteworthy thing for me. But then he kept showing up with a higher frequency, oftentimes making (what I thought to be) completely unnecessary over-categorizations to articles. I've been on Wikipedia long enough to know that User:Levineps (contribs) is one of the most notorious over-categorizers we've ever seen (and has the community sanctions, block records, and bans to show for it). So, I did about two minutes' worth of research and discovered that Oriole85's account was created / his edits began on November 5, 2013. When was the last edit by Levineps? November 4, 2013. That is not a coincidence IMO. I don't have (a) the time right now, nor (b) the motivation to formally open an SPI, but I'm hoping that one of the many people I'm notifying about this does. If you're wondering why you're being pinged about this, it's because I saw where you were one of the people who has left messages on Levineps' talk page at some point regarding his inappropriate editing. So now, in addition to all of the aforementioned issues with Levineps, it looks like a probably sockpuppet to throw into the mix. Jrcla2 (talk) 05:33, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

hi review[edit]

hello i am new here just made an article need help to improve it. is it possible for u to find some one having a bit knowledge of bioinformatics or computational biology. this is my article. it would be nice to get some help from user who has experience in writing articles.Demi lion (talk) 20:30, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

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Clarification motion[edit]

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Category:Genes mutated in mice[edit]

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Thanks, I've left a comment there. Rockpocket 12:22, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Is there any mouse gene for which we have proof that it does not mutate? Then, given time, would you not expect all these genes to mutate at some point? What, if anything, is the difference between "mutated genes" and "non-mutated genes"? Look at the parent cat and how few articles it contains (FIVE, 2 of them one-line "articles" and 2 of them databases). Look at the articles what they are actually about. In addition, are you going to create categories for "genes mutated in C. elegans"? "Genes mutated in D. melanogaster"? "Genes mutated in Polar Bears"? I really think that this categorization tree needs significant overhaul in order to be useful. --Randykitty (talk) 23:56, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Chromatophore FAR[edit]

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A new user right for New Page Patrollers[edit]

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