User talk:RodSoro

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Hello, RodSoro, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

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Hello Girth_Summit,

thanks for your revision about the article I´m writing about Septima Ars. I´m new, so I´m trying to do as best, reading the wiki articles and helps, but of course...I make mistakes.

For example, I tried to save my sandbox...but I published and it´s not a public article, it´s only my first draft and I don´t want anybody sees it, becasue is not finished...

I see other people wrote about some film spanish schools and nobody says that they are wrong or doing publicity or similar. I tried some time ago and my article was banned. Why? How? I try to let the people know about this school as others, because is the second oldest in Spain and with some of the most famous director and cinematographers ( as you may check ) in Spain as alumni... but I continue trying to find how the others did.

So please, help me, be patient, this is only a draft...but I can´t see how to save and no publish until the end.

All your comments are wellcome, thanks again. RodSoro (talk) 16:22, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - if you read the policy pages I linked to, you will see that I am concerned about the fact that you have a conflict of interest with the subject you're writing about. As a general rule, editors are very strongly discouraged from writing about subjects they have a connection to - for example, our family members, friends, and employers. I used to work at quite a famous school, which we have an article about - I never edited that article, because of my conflict of interest. I now work at a different school, which we don't have an article about: I will not be the one to write it, again because of my COI.

It is not completely forbidden to write about a subject you're connected to, but there are certain steps you need to go through if you really want to do it. Those are explained in the guidelines I've linked to. What you are doing in trying to add unsourced or poorly sourced content to articles of people who went to the school certainly looks like you are here to promote the school, rather than to contribute neutrally to this volunteer project. You really need to desist from doing that. Girth Summit _(blether) 17:14, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I understand...but why you think I have a strong connection with and why don´t suspect about others... this is difficult to know.

I understand what you are saying and understand about what wikipedia is.

Thnkas for your help. RodSoro (talk) 18:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean... your choice of username kind of gave it away. You mention Rodrigo Sorogoyen in the article, your account is called RodSoro - I'm joining the dots here. If there are other articles and users who you suspect are doing something similar, let me know and I'll investigate.

Now, look - unless and until you have properly disclosed your conflict of interest, as explained in the guidelines I have already given you, you must stop making any edits whatsoever concerning this school. If you do that again, I'm going to block your account from editing. Once you have disclosed properly, I suggest that you familiarise yourself with the edit request feature - it allows you to propose a change, and a source, on an article's talk page, and then an editor who does not have a conflict of interest will consider making the change. You need to familiarise yourself with our sourcing policies however - read WP:RS, and WP:BLP. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 18:16, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again for your help. Actually, I don't have any relationship, but I did. I studied there. I have always been surprised that a school that is the second oldest in Spain, with students nominated every year and winners of Goya Awards, Oscar nominees, Grammy nominees...does not have its page, that's why I tried to create it. For example, tomorrow HBO premieres Garcia! the first Spanish original series and it is entirely directed by Eugenio Mira, a former student of the school and one of the greatest national talents. But I understand that this is difficult to know, that's why I tried to create this page. I didn't know how to get someone to review it. I will try it with your suggestion. Thanks again.

Regarding putting mentions on Wikipedia pages when they are true, for example, the one you have reviewed of Frank Spano, which he himself mentions in his bio on the web, or in that of his representatives or in many others ... it is a true, verifiable data. I do not understand why it should be deleted when Wiki is full of mentions of film schools around the world, especially American, of people who have studied there and no one considers them promotion. They are a verifiable reality.

On the other hand. Yes, I'm sure about another film school in Madrid whose Wikipedia page has been created recently, how to explain...

They create a Wikipedia page...from Australia. It's very rare that someone comes from Australia to know a Spanish film school ( because of distance and language ), you know? but they just have a collaboration with an Australian film school...it sounds strange. But more if you find out that they are a small school, with little to highlight...look at their wikipedia page.

Thanks a lot for all your help to a newbie like me, Girth Summit, although you should better call yourself Sherlock Holmes ;-) RodSoro (talk) 09:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK, my apologies, I think I misunderstood the text of your draft article. With the name Rodrigo Sorogoyen mentioned so prominently near the start of the article, I was assuming that you were employed there - perhaps one of the lecturers. If you are an ex-student, and no longer have a direct relationship with the school, that certainly reduces the level of COI that you would have.

With regards to adding information about the school to articles about people, remember that our aim isn't to collect all available information about people, but to summarise what reliable, independent sources say about them. IMDB is deemed unreliable in all circumstances, because it is generated by volunteer editors (just like Wikipedia - we don't allow our own pages to be used as sources either). What we want are reliable sources - perhaps a biography about him in a newspaper or similar, that would be an ideal source. You are right about verifiability, by the way - it is one of our five pillars.

If you want to get someone to review your draft, look at the WP:AfC process. You are going to need some independent, reliable sources to verify the information however, and to demonstrate notability - at the moment, all you've got is the school's own website.

If you want to give me the name of the other article/s you are suspicious about, I can take a look at the content and the history of its creation. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 10:08, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I´m going to try as you suggest.

About the others...look: Instituto del Cine Madrid

Your help is great !!

Cheers, RodSoro (talk) 10:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Only one more question. The sanbox is hidden for the people, that´s correct ? Because I want to try as a testing ground. RodSoro (talk) 10:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your sandbox isn't exactly hidden - other people can see it if they want to, but they need to go looking for it. It's fine to have unsourced content in there while you are building up a draft article. There are certain rules that still apply there though - you can't copy text from sources into there, WP:COPYVIO still applies, and you can't put defamatory information about people in there. So yeah - go ahead and experiment.

I took a look at the Instituto del Cine article; it looks innocent enough. It's poorly sourced - it links to the institute's website, and to an article in La Provincia which is obviously marketing material produced by the institute, and to an article in a newspaper that collaborates with the institute - so, no independent sourcing. Crucially though, the language isn't too promotional, and the author has edited lots of different articles related to film and television, they don't appear to be a single purpose account. I've tagged it as needing better sources, hopefully someone will come along and improve it. Girth Summit _(blether) 11:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!!!

I see that in my sandbox there is an alert in case I want to have it reviewed...would that be the same as asking an independent editor to create the page ?

Regarding the title of the page, when it is created...of course I don't want it to put sandbox...but it doesn't seem to be able to be changed. Would I have to start from scratch a page with title, etc ? and all this in a hidden way until I ask someone to review it ? correct ?

Thank you once again. RodSoro (talk) 11:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I keep asking and taking up your time.

Another question, when you want to include your page in a category...it immediately links to it and makes it visible...but if it has not been reviewed by an editor yet...can it be deleted...I mean...is there any way to fully complete the page without it being deleted until an editor reviews it on his own request ?

THANKS AGAIN. RodSoro (talk) 11:51, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - sorry, been away for a couple of days. The page can be retitled when it is moved into article space, no need for a rewrite. The answer to your other questions is the WP:AfC process, which I see from the message below that you have already engaged with. If you want my advice about getting the article accepted, you need to have more sourced content about the school itself. At the moment, you have two sentences about the school, both of them sourced to the school's website (which is not independent). The rest of it is about graduates of the school and the awards they have won. Try to find some independent sources giving information about the school, and go from there. Good luck. Girth Summit _(blether) 11:46, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again !!! Your help is great for me.

All the best, RodSoro (talk) 09:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Septima Ars Film School (October 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by AngusWOOF were:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This reads like a press release to promote the school. Needs a complete rewrite and references to external news sources that cover the school.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Septima Ars Film School and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:35, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, RodSoro! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:35, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks AngusW🐶🐶F for your help and review my draft.

I would like to ask some things about the first message what talks about the things of the draft, as I´m new I´m not sure about what I´m doing right or wrong.

As this was my first time doing a draft I copied other wiki page and used as template ( Madrid Film institute ) and this way I had a guide to follow. Really, I changed few things...so how my draft looks and advertising and the template I used is ok ?

Thanks for your help. RodSoro (talk) 10:14, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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