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Your GA nomination of Cleveland Pools[edit]

The article Cleveland Pools you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Cleveland Pools for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Icebob99 -- Icebob99 (talk) 00:42, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

West Somerset Mineral Railway[edit]

I have left some comments on the WSMR page, but one or two points are better said here, I think.

First, you are being very courteous, and I am grateful. This is a quality not often found on Wikipedia.

Second, in carefully seeking comments and support from anyone and everyone, I appreciate that you are anxious to create support for the GA status. If there is a negative to this, it is that you may get several suggested (but as yet non-specific) changes at the same time as you are asking people to support the final result of implementing them -- which they can't see yet, of course. My own inclination would have been to make the edits now and then say to everyone "Is this ok?" (I was temped myself to wade in myself and make some edits now. However I defer to you as you have done much more recent work than I have on the page.)

Whatever, good luck and congratulations on your work.

PS "Rod" and "Rodw" are both you, I presume. That threw me a bit last night when I got your first message.

Afterbrunel (talk) 10:32, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Dear Rod

I take my hat off to you for your editfest, thank you.

You commented at one point that you didn't know how to edit standard bibliography items such as Griffiths, Roger; Smith, Paul (1999). The Directory of British Engine Sheds and Principal Locomotive Servicing Points: 1 Southern England, the Midlands, East Anglia and Wales. OPC Railprint. ISBN 978-0-86093-542-1. OCLC 59458015.  and Butt, R. V. J. (1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. . They are both templates (the curly brackets suggest this). You can edit them by keying in template:Griffiths-Sheds1 at top right of screen, then hitting the edit option, as you would for any article. You can then edit it at will. Just a word of caution, however, these templates are shortcuts for widely used standard works so people don't have to write out or copy and paste book data time and again and so Wikipedia moves towards standard refs. Therefore any change you make will immediately affect a lot of articles, not just one. In this case you could safely overwrite the ISBN number with the international version, then test it after you've saved it.

All that said, neither you nor I can edit Butt, R. V. J. (1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199.  because it is protected (thousands of articles use it) so you'll need to ask someone higher up the food chain than me. To save you having to look it up Butt's long ISBN is 9781852605087. I've changed the Griffiths ISBN.

I've sympathetically tweaked the opening paras and added to the closing narrative about the company's final months. I haven't sought to change any meanings, because I think you'd got it right.

I see that in Afterbrunel you've found a civil, constructive and specific guide. Well done, as he says, such people aren't as common in they should be in the Wikiworld.

Best wishes.

Dave DavidAHull (talk) 12:18, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

The Butt template {{Butt-Stations}} is only semi-protected, so I think you both (Rodw and DavidAHull) should be able to edit it as you are both extended confirmed users? Harrias talk 13:12, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Sound advice, thank you. I've changed the ISBN in the Butt template to the long format.
Thanks both for your advice and edits on this while I've been at work. All isbns now appear up to date 13 digit versions. I think we are getting there - just need to provide a citation for Luxborough Road never having fare-paying passengers (or remove it if we can't source it.— Rod talk 19:55, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I'll do that. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:35, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Done. I see a critical obstacle to getting GA status, no author has used Jones' "The Brendon Hills Iron Mines and the West Somerset Railway". I've tried to get hold of a copy to no avail, until today, when it has become available on Amazon for £50 plus postage. I could go to York University Library to study a copy (I wonder if they'd let me in, I graduated there in 1971!) but its over the Pennines and would cost me £50 plus postage to get there and back and I'm not sure what I could do in a day. I'm afraid that at the moment I can't lay my hands on £50 plus postage; if it's still available in February I should be able to. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 23:57, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Don't spend your money on it or make a special trip. You could always apply for a WikimediaUK small grant for the cost of the book, but it is available from Libraries West so I have placed a reservation which will get it sent to my local library in about a week.— Rod talk 06:57, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
It's worth noting that Good article criteria do not require an article to be comprehensive. So although a missing source like that is detrimental to the article in general, and certainly to attaining FA status, it is unlikely to be a major stumbling block for GA. Harrias talk 10:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Well done Rodw for setting wheels in motion to get a copy of Jones. Thank you Harrias for advice about GA and comprehensiveness. Now for rather a downer. There are seven works which appear in the list of refs without page numbers, some with several instances. I have none of the works I'm afraid. I can't see any shortcut other than for people to wade through the works in question finding and recording the relevant pages. The works are Bodman 2012, Carter 1959, Mitchell & Smith 1990, Thomas 1966, Maggs 2013, Butt 1995 (I can go to Crosby library and look that up if no-one has easier access) and Bradshaw 2011. Owt else I can do? Kind regards to all, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 19:43, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
I don't have any of these either. The Maggs one is available full text on google books but appears to be an ebook without page numbers. I think some of them might be in my local library but Geof Sheppard, Andy Dingley, Britmax, Afterbrunel or someone from Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains might be able to help?— Rod talk 20:00, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
I've got what are probably the three best known works on this (the two Sellicks, Madge and Jones). Jones though is such an epic tome that it tends to stop one from simply diving into the article, for the sheer scale of the topic. All I've managed to do as a result was to start identifying some of the background topics that need to be in place (hence the navbox). An article based on Sellick alone would not meet the depth of coverage that really should be here. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
I've dealt with the Maggs ref by "splitting" it. The citation now links directly to the eBook extract, so if you read the relevant para on passenger trains and click on the Maggs ref it takes you to the extract itself. I've therefore taken the link to the eBook out of the bibliography, leaving is as a "pure" paper book, which I've moved to Further reading. I hope this makes sense! It deals with the non-existent ISBN, the confusion between paper and e source and the lack of page number. One down, umpteen to go! Rodw, I like your ASIN initiative, I've not seen that done before. Cheers, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 09:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks - I tidied a ref=harv. Copies of Bodman, Butt, Mitchell & Thomas are all available through Libraries West so I have placed reservations & they should be sent to my local branch. I will then check page nos etc. This will leave Carter, E. (1959). An Historical Geography of the Railways of the British Isles. Cassell. ASIN B000WSRHU6.  - I will try Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains to see if anyone has a copy.— Rod talk 19:23, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
I've extended the Route Diagram, adding the stopping places at Torre and Clitsome (articles to follow), the non-extesion to Eisen Hill and several mines. I don't know how to correct the branch to Timwood to reflect the fact that it was 16" gauge, but I know a man who does, so I'll ask him. Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 18:44, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
First the good news - I've created Clitsome Railway Station. Now the bad news - I've created Clitsome Railway Station, instead of Clitsome railway station. Do you know anyone with the clout to change it? Apologies, yours idiotically, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 23:32, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Done - I didn't know you needed any special "clout" to do a page move.— Rod talk 06:56, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, it sounds as if I need know how, not clout. Can you please show me how to do a page move (or where I can read up on it)? Dave DavidAHull (talk) 12:37, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Moving a page.— Rod talk 21:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
I've refined Route Diagram. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 17:23, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks.— Rod talk 21:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Woodland House[edit]

Firstly, thank you for your comprehensive GA review of the above. Noting that User:No Swan So Fine had been unable to respond to comments on their last GA nomination, and having had the pleasure of working with them in the past, I have taken the liberty of responding myself. However, I have been rather confused by the transclusion, such that my comments don't appear on the article Talkpage but do on the transcluded Talkpage. I do hope that this doesn't cause a problem. Thanks and regards. KJP1 (talk) 18:54, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

NSSF has indicated he is quite content with my picking this up. Is there anything further I can do to assist the GA review? KJP1 (talk) 17:17, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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disambig needed[edit]

Hello there! Wondering why you added a "disambig needed" to Trelawney on Tre, Pol and Pen page. It does lead to a disambiguation page for people and places called Trelawney, but there's no page dedicated to Trelawney as a surname. Seems like a good link to me? Happy wikiing!! -- A L T E R C A R I 19:29, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough I have removed it but I suppose I was hoping there was a Trelawney (surname) or similar page, to separate it from places, those in fiction etc.— Rod talk 19:33, 15 January 2017 (UTC)