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They recent additions by Abel Pody should be accompanied by coverage of the prosecution evidence. As it currently reads there is no balance and reads more as article for those with a vested interest.

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Timaru[edit]

Hi Roger - where in the Stats NZ webpage http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/population/census_counts/2013CensusUsuallyResidentPopulationCounts_HOTP2013Census/Commentary.aspx#orderofcities does it say that Nelson is a city? Or do you have another source that shows it is? Cheers, Ollieinc (talk) 06:32, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi ollieinc, I have replied on the Timaru talk page.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:45, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Pitcairn Islands[edit]

Hi Roger, please see my comments on the Pitcairn Islands article's talk page detailing my other evidence for the official name of the territory. ThinkingTwice contribs | talk 23:20, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

I have replied on that talk page. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:30, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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Danson Park / Danson House[edit]

Hi Roger,

I noticed you have edited several articles about Bexley, or places in Bexley, do you have a connection with the area? If so, I thought I would ask your opinion on something. I've just been working on the Danson House article, and it occurs to me that there is a lot of crossover with the Danson Park article ie. the history, geography, facilities, info about ownership etc. Do you think these two articles should be merged? The Danson Park article is not very long or detailed, so it strikes me that together they would make a reasonable article. Though on the other hand, the two subjects are certainly notable in their own right. So if they shouldn't be merged, what should the two articles focus on? I will cross-post this to the respective talk pages but I wondered if you had an opinion on this.. Jdcooper (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jdcooper, Thanks for your message. Yes, I do have connections with, experience of, and an interest in the area. I have commented on your merger idea on the Danson House talk page. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 19:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Image captions[edit]

Your assertion in this edit summary is incorrect. Per both MOS:CAPTION and WP:CAPFRAG, if any complete sentence occurs in a caption, then every sentence and every sentence fragment in that caption should end with a period.. Periods are only omitted when captions are merely sentence fragments and no complete sentences are used. --AussieLegend () 19:49, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you and yes I now see those MOS references. I think these guidelines need amending though. It is fairly common in English to create a sentence with assumed words. Other descriptions on other captions on the NSW site do just that. It seems that by sticking rigidly to the standard sentence format we get the anomaly of one caption description having a full stop and the next not having one, because it happens to omit a verb or a noun that is assumed and clearly understood.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:28, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Revert on Hundred (county division)[edit]

Roger 8 Roger, your revert of the article Hundred (county division) shows that you do not know anything about historical subdivisions of Ukraine. If you would spend a little more time reading the article Cossack Hetmanate, you will see that the Hetmanate subdivisions were not exclusively military, but also administrative and territorial. Encyclopedia of Ukraine translates sotnia as a company, but literally it means a hundred. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 05:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I have looked again. These were administrative land divisions, structured with a military influence, but they were not hundreds, which is the topic of this article. Please be careful when using any form of translation devise, especially a computer. The translation it comes up with will usually be wrong, confusing and in bad English. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:39, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Comma with correlative conjucions[edit]

Hello Roger
I would like to inform you that the sentence "either an American Samoan, or a Samoan living in the mainland United States" has the correlative conjunctions either/or. Correlative conjunctions don't require a comma. I'll remove the comma if you don't mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikigeekee (talkcontribs) 20:13, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead. You do not mention that your original edit, on the 'Samoa' page, had a typo/test edit error at the top: 'aThe'. That is what I saw and why I reverted. I did not see the comma edit tucked away below. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 21:26, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Your modification to Slade Green re: Ceremonial County[edit]

The original stated that Slade Green was in the ceremonial county of Kent until 1965.

I agree that the sentence is misleading, but instead of correcting the sentence you deleted it. Your reason was that ceremonial counties did not exist until 1997. You are wrong about the significance of 1997. The Act in 1997 reclassified long-established counties as Metropolitan or Non-Metropolitan and reduced the total number of Lord Lieutenancies; but the very important detail is that the Act did not bring Counties or Lieutenancies into existence - those titles were already centuries old. Someone was certainly responsible for ceremonial activities in Slade Green, and a Lord Lieutenant for Greater London was not created until 1997 - so who was responsible and which region did they represent?

I suggest it would be more appropriate to mark the original sentence as contentious because the citations show only that 'administrative duties' transferred from Kent to London in 1965. None of the citations mention 'ceremonial duties' or who the Lord Lieutenants were for that region between 1965 and 1997. There is no indication of when exactly the ceremonial duties transferred from Kent to Greater London. All that we know is that they transferred some point between 1965 and 1997. That should be cause to revise the sentence for accuracy, not delete.

Thank you for your comments. You might find it useful to become authorised with a user name. You can sign your above post anyway by using the box below once you click 'edit'. Your changes about counties have only made matters worse and will need changing. You state above that I am wrong about the 'significance of 1997'. I am not wrong because I made no comment on the significance of 1997 except, by implication, that it came after 1965. Lieutenancies and associated topics are part of what I call county confusion. You seem, in this particular topic, to give undue weight to their significance, just as you do to the Royal Mail's address system. They are part of the problem, but only part. The fundamental question here is whether Slade Green is in Kent or in London. The simple answer is it's in both. The more accurate, and far more difficult answer is first, to define what London is and what Kent is, and then second, to say why and when Slade Green is in both. This has never been properly dealt with anywhere which is why there is so much confusion everywhere. Until it is properly dealt with, the confusion and circular discussion like this will continue. A point to end with: 'Kent' in a Slade Green address refers to the postal town, ie DA, Dartford, which is reasonably non-contested in Kent. It does not refer to Slade Green. There are places in the UK that have a postal town in one county but are in another county. Their address, if a county is used, would have a different county from the one the place is actually located in. Anyway, the Royal Mail is now totally postcode based so counties on addresses are not relevant except for personal satisfaction. Your interesting citation of Hansard and the people of Pembrokeshire illustrates this, although it is the wrong reference for this article on Slade Green and should be removed or used as reference elsewhere. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 03:31, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments in Slade Green: Talk - all well received, but I have responded with my reasons to disagree. I also believe Royal Mail previously stated decades ago that they retained old postcodes only because of the prohibitive costs of change - but contemporary paperless movement and centralised databases undermines that point. Probably the strongest source of contention is 'social memory' and the reluctance of many people to embrace change; but note that Slade Green exists in WP:London and not WP:Kent, and this indicates to me that people of Kent have voted. I have put their position to the test and I am keen to see their response (P.S. Shooter's Hill in LB Greenwich has a DA postcode). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.103.127 (talk) 23:21, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Could you please try to 1/ sign and date all your posts (and get a user name) 2/ Once you've posted them then don't keep changing them - on a talk page the odd typo is not a big deal 3/ Stay on one page if possible. There is no point having the same discussion on three or four different pages. I suggest using the Slade Green talk page, not this personal talk page. Yes, Shooters Hill, Kent DA xx, on an envelope (referring to the post town of Dartford). Of course, Shooters Hill is actually in Kent and always has been (meaning the 'historic county of Kent), just as Lewisham and Greenwich always have been. All this does is confirm that the question of which county a place is in is far from simple and open to endless confusion. I suggest continuing this conversation on the Slade Green talk page, or the WikiProject Kent talk page.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:01, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? If my wife finds out I am wasting time on Wikipedia I will be toast. Usernames leave an online footprint, but being unsigned means that I can press of the router and reset my IP to live another day. Delete your username before its too late! ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.16.231 (talk) 22:09, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Barnes Old Norse Grammar revert[edit]

I have no idea why did you do that. Barnes Grammar is very often used in college classes across the globe (and next to Gordon is considered as one of the best). And - whats more - it is free but instead the link section contains a paid textbook plus a XiX centrury introduction. I don't have time to argue with you but I think you must have some vested interest for the link section to stay in this shape. Cheers to an "expert".

@ unnamed above. The main problem with the external links was that there were too many of them, including too many text book type links. If you think your link is better than one that is on the new currentblist then please add it back and remove the other, less good, link.

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Deleting David Winnick[edit]

Without his being a CURRENT MP there is no reason for his inclusion alongside the other examples as he is no more relevant than the already deleted Peter Tapsell who did not become Father until 2010 depiste having served before the previous Father discontinuously. LE (talk) 13:51, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@LE. The article is about the position of Father of the House. Examples can be used from any past time, not just the current situation or currently sitting MPs. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Welsh Language[edit]

If you want better references but some effort into finding them, Demanding other editors do it for you is not really in the spirit of wikipedia ----Snowded TALK 16:24, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

@Snowded If Welsh is not spoken as a native language in Patagonia then there is no reference to find. There are numerous sources about Welsh in Patagonia, none of which confirm L1 status. I have put considerable effort into trying to find a wp:rs to confirm L1 status but there is none. I am not demanding anything of anyone - I am just trying to stick to the facts as provided by reliable sources and to remove what appears to be a lot of incorrect or ambiguous information that is not backed by reliable sources. It might be more in the spirit of wikipedia if we all tried to remove edits made with a hidden agenda, namely, in this case, artificially trying to promote the importance of the Welsh language. This problem exists throughout WP, not just in Welsh articles. Incidentally, for what it is worth, I have no anti-Welsh agenda at all, in fact quite the opposite. Cheers Roger 8 Roger (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

The BBC did a whole programme on it, a google search on gives you multiple sources. I don't think you tried. I'm reverting you and you can choose which references you find relevant. Oh and I suggest you try not to make assumptions about other editors motivations ----Snowded TALK 19:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

The BBC doco, if you watch it carefully, skirts around the issue of native speakers as much as it can, but at one point near the end it implies that L1 speakers no longer exist. It certainly does not say that they DO exist, in other words, it is not a source that can be used to confirm native speakers. The best it could come up with was an old guy that had a reasonable grasp of spoken Welsh as an L2, clearly not an L1. There was also an interview with a young guy operating the Welsh tea shop museum, again a competent speaker but clearly L2. Any fluent L1 Welsh speakers in the doco were from Wales. A better doco is the much earlier BBC doco from the 1960's that also fails to confirm L1 speakers but does cover a lot of L2 speakers, in that case children and grandchildren of L1 speakers. This confirmed the reality that the Welsh settlement was strong enough to maintain Welsh as an L1 for no more than three or four generations. Please stop inserting statements that are unsourced or are sourced by non-reliable citations. That is disruptive editing with a non-NPOV. Please also continue any discussion on the Welsh language talk page, not here. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 04:17, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Taiwan[edit]

I'm not entirely sure what changes you want on the lead sentence of Taiwan, but they are very unlikely to happen. I recommend you focus on editing other articles. Power~enwiki (talk) 06:07, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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Flags[edit]

Sorry, but this is silly. You are referencing a guideline on the use of flag ICONS, not flags. Country articles all have their flag in the infobox.

Ian Dalziel (talk) 10:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

To add, the policy you cited in your edit summary - MOS:FLAG - states "Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes". So even having a flag icon for the UK in England's infobox would be OK per policy. Rob984 (talk) 13:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the comments. I will self revert a couple of other flag removals. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you - and sorry about the first revert. I didn't realise that was an explanation - you'd replaced a "flag" hyperlink, I just assumed your comment was the same link. A couple of extra words would help the hard of understanding... Ian Dalziel (talk) 20:53, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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Disruptive Editing - London Boroughs and Historic Counties[edit]

Hello Roger

Please allow me to retort your comments. I am not editing to suit my own POV. I accept that historic counties have yet to be abolished (unlike the old divisions of other countries whose governments have done a great job in not confusing their citizens as to which part of the country they can call home). Yes, in my honest opinion I do believe that the historic counties should be formally abolished by the UK Government. Until that happens, all I ask is for some consistency for every area linked to from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_areas_of_London

I also believe that the historic county should not be listed in the opening section of the article, but I have no problem with it appearing in subsequent paragraphs. I also ask you, why is it that these county divisions bear such importance? Why not list Mercia or Wessex in these articles? Finally, in terms of “the historic counties” what constitutes “London”? Justgravy (talk) 14:14, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

This has been answered on Justgravy's talk page, where the discussion began. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:11, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Notables section for Sheerness[edit]

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Regarding your recent edit of the section on notable people from Sheerness. Thankyou for your reference to WP:LISTBIO. Please refer to Talk:Sheerness. If you are unhappy with my recent edit, please give your reasons in the talk section.

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I have just replied on the Sheerness talk page. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:19, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Links to notable people in Bermuda[edit]

Roger 8 Roger

You have just deleted from the main Bermuda page a number of links to lists of notable people (of sporting people, of cultural people and of historical people) to what one might call some of the subsidiary pages to the main Bermuda page. Your explanation is that I should not "link to Wikipedia as a source". I think you will find that was not being done.

The lists of notable people are not sources but parts of the subsidiary articles in themselves. The use of links like this is an arrangement to avoid overburdening the main Bermuda page - by dividing them between the subsidiary pages. And these subsidiary pages are themselves linked to the main Bermuda page.

Please reflect further on your deletion and explain further ( as sources are not involved here) or say whether I should compile a single list of Bermudan notables and publish that (with a link) or reinstate the links.


ArbieP (talk) 09:44, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Please check wp:notability for guidelines on lists. This will take you to other guidelines. Your links to other wiki sites, if needed, should be under 'see also'. Each entry in a 'notable person' sub-section should have its own wp:rs citation. Yours does not. In fact it does not even have a list of notable people, just a list of alternative sites. I realise your intention is to simplify the process, but that is not the best way to handle it. Not all entries in the other articles, eg notable sports people, will warrant being included in the main Bermuda article, because it would give unnecessary weight to those persons, in the context of a general article about Bermuda.wp:due,wp:balance.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 19:49, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Roger 8 Roger

Thankyou, that's much clearer ArbieP (talk) 20:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

revert[edit]

I don't understand why this was reverted: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_P._Fay&oldid=prev&diff=806202461 - Can you explain why? Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 12:04, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Message just left on article site. "It" refers to the USA, not President Clinton, so 'it' is correct.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 12:11, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 12:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Your revert[edit]

Please don't revert edits without giving a full explanation. 'UK' is not needed here. The article is about Wales. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:30, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I thought the relatively long edit summary was a clear enough explanation. My apologies if it was not. Yes, the article is about Wales but the sub-article is about the foreign relations of Wales which are conducted through the UK parliament, not through the WA. The WA will have a say, but that is all. Even the WA USA representative is based in the UK embassy, a clear sign that in foreign relations the UK comes first. A similar approach applies to the EU reps - Wales is not a member of the EU: the UK is. If you mean promoting Wales and all things Welsh, that is fine, but if so then I thing that should have a separate section because that is not foreign relations. The way you phrased your edits came across as if you were pushing an agenda. Thank you for choosing to post here. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Counties[edit]

Please do not make further changes to articles regarding the historic counties until the matter has been resolved. It is best to work to reach a solution, not to open further battlefields in an edit war. I note that you have been involved in several disputes on that topic already with a large number of editors. I will consider asking an uninvolved admin to get involved in the event that editing pattern continues, as it may be starting to be disruptive.

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TCI[edit]

I've been watching this article for years, and there has been little discussion on the issue of TCI joining Canada on its talk page. So when editors suddenly show up and removed properly cited content without having discussed the issue on the article's talk page, you should expect to be reverted. I'm assuming this has been discussed somewhere else, so at least bother to provide links to to those discussions in your summaries or on the talk page. - BilCat (talk) 04:47, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I have made a comment on the TCI talkpage. I would dispute that the citations are, in this case, good citations. I have seen comment made before about the Canada plan which I initially thought was on the TCI talk page, but it may have been somewhere else. Anyway, I have now started a talk page discussion. Thanks Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:43, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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Stephen Downing[edit]

I don't understand your revert of my template addition with the edit summary 'No miscarriage'? The lead says it was a miscarriage and the article is listed in the template. Why do you think it should be reverted? Fob.schools (talk) 21:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Please check the edit history: I self-reverted immediately because my edit was a mistake. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 22:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Archive.org[edit]

Hi, I noticed you removed a "dead" link from Islamic garden. I've restored it from http://www.archive.org – it's always worthwhile checking before deleting a link, especially if you're about to leave a whole section uncited. It's far more difficult to retrieve sources later, without a hint as to where they came from. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:15, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree, and I do usually try to fix what appear to be dead links before removing them. On this occasion I was not as thorough as I should have been, so thanks for restoring the source. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Elaine Everest for deletion[edit]

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Falklands[edit]

Your recent revert only removed the justification and not the picture of HMS Bristol. Don't worry I fixed it, agree with you 100%. WCMemail 11:55, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

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Careless[edit]

I cannot believe that you just undid my fixes on Falkland Islands. The edits I undid were clearly vandalism. The user concerned has been blocked for disruptive editing, and other people had already undone most of their vandalism - including you. So why the hell, nearly four months later, would you get weirdly upset that I called a vandal a vandal, and restore their vandalism to the article? Inateadaze (talk) 08:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

You reverted a debatable point of grammar, calling those with a different opinion vandals and disruptive. You might want to consider changing the style of your language when commenting on WP. "What the hell" and "I cannot believe that you just..." and "you get weirdly upset" do not help reasoned debate. Also, please check ATWV. Clear vandalism does not require a comment when deleting anyway. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:36, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
No, I did not "call those with a different opinion vandalism". I reverted vandalism, and called the vandal a vandal. You had also reverted their vandalism. I'm really disgusted by your attacks and lies now and I think you need to get a grip, admit your mistake and apologise for your behaviour towards me. Inateadaze (talk) 08:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Talk pages[edit]

A user can do what they like on their talk pages (outside of not being allowed to delete block messages). Article talk pages are for disusing the article, not other users actions, or what they do on their talk pages. If you have a complaint about his talk page activity please post it there.Slatersteven (talk) 09:56, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct, and I never said otherwise. I simply gave an opinion that in the context of the ongoing discussion it was unhelpful to remove relevant, interconnected, comments from anywhere, including a personal talk page. If Inateadaze wants to accept my opinion that is entirely up to her. To suggest it is a matter for a formal complaint is excessive. I could perhaps have phrased it differently though. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:38, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:1RR Warning for 2018 bombing of Damascus and Homs[edit]

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Thank you for your warning. Perhaps you refer to a WP:3RR breach? Please check exemption 7 to that rule, leading to WP:BLP. Theresa May in this article is described as a commander of a military operation, which she is not, neither militarily nor in her position as PM. That description is uncited and, as it is incorrect, it cannot be cited by a reliable source. It therefore is original research WP:NOR, or put another way, it is a personal opinion about a living person, something that can and should be removed because it does not:
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By the way, the queen, does not command in any way her armed forces, as you edited, notwithstanding that she is 92 years old in a couple of days. I agree that edit warring should be avoided. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:37, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

"Decisive" victory[edit]

Personally, I'm all for the idea of keeping the result parameter of a battle's infobox short. However, I don't think the instructions on the template are per se part of the MOS (and hence I think you are going to run into difficulties if you claim they are), and it seems curious to start with Trafalgar and the Nile, where the expression "decisive victory" is both relatively concise and accurate, and not with the many battles where the infobox contains half a paragraph about the outcome. Pinkbeast (talk) 23:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I was following [1] that followed ibx. If you are not aware of it, my edits were indirectly linked to a Rorke's Drift debate, and Battle of Britain where an edit war about 'decisive' recently occurred. At the time of the edit waring I, and presumably others, was unaware of the infobox guidelines. They make sense to me because what is or is not a 'decisive' victory is usually a POV matter. Trafalgar and the Nile are extreme examples (that I chose intentionally) because they were so obviously decisive, but the point still remains in my opinion - better to just say 'victory'. The article will make it obvious how decisive it was. Is your comment that the guidelines are not actual policy and so there is still a level of discretion involved? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 01:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I thought you were following that (well, Template:Infobox military conflict; the second link seems to be broken but I think you mean MOS:IBX... which has nothing to say about the "result" parameter). I have looked back briefly at the activity on those other two pages.
I'm saying two things. The first is, yes, that the guidelines on Template:Infobox military conflict do not have the strength of the MOS, not that even the MOS is unbreakable. For example if you edited Battle of Borodino citing them you would rightly be reverted because a lengthy discussion on the talk page arrived at the current compromise (which personally I dislike, but it is at least correct unlike the persistent use of "pyrrhic" to describe Borodino).
The second is that I think it is unfortunate that you have started with extreme examples. It would be better to have started with infoboxes with unclear rambling results, both in terms of effecting immediate improvement and in demonstrating the advantages of having only minimal results. Someone would be far from unreasonable to revert your edits to Trafalgar and the Nile on the grounds that "decisive British victory" is both concise and accurate. Pinkbeast (talk) 02:01, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
The link you are looking for is this one, to the military history subsection of the MOS. There is debate about improving the clarity of the wording around this, but the main strand of advice remains the same. The template should reflect the MOS. Correcting the Nile and Trafalgar to follow this is fine. Wiki-Ed (talk) 20:10, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Belvedere[edit]

Hi,

Noticed you response to a comment in the archive of the London Wikiproject. Note that no changes should be made to any archived material. If you feel further discussion is needed, it should be done at the main project page (or some other venue) in a new thread.

One consideration to bear in mind is Google-hit counting is not an appropriate way of gauging common usage. The reason for that is simple - Postal counties. Many Google hits for a string like "<town>, <county>" will simply be the postal address information included on a website. Postal usage is not the same as common usage. Royal Mail has officially deprecated counties for their purposes, but that doesn't mean people have stopped using them for their mail. And the postal counties are different again from any other type of county...--Nilfanion (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Moving categories[edit]

Re your move of Category:People convicted of murder by New Zealand: You may be right, but this is part of Category:People convicted of murder by country which consistently uses "by".

Please do not move categories out-of-process, but use WP:CFD. Let me know if you need help. – Fayenatic London 09:04, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for your efforts[edit]

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Rollback of a recent edit[edit]

Hi, a bit puzzled re the reason for this revert, including how it qualifies as an acceptable use of rollback. -- Euryalus (talk) 08:17, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

My apologies. It must have been an unintentional press of a button. I knew nothing of it till I just read your message. I recently read the article and saw your edit and thought it was a good alteration. I have just self reverted. Thanks for raising this error here. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:35, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
no worries, I've done that many a time, especially when reviewing a watchlist! All good and thanks also for the speedy response. -- Euryalus (talk) 08:52, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Also apologies, my post could have been a bit more diplomatically worded. -- Euryalus (talk) 09:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
All good - no offense taken. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

No personal attacks[edit]

Just stop it. I attempted to make a compromise edit. Your edit summary is aggressive, try and work with people rather than just reverting without thinking -----Snowded TALK 06:18, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Exasperation is a better word than aggressive, on the Great Britain article. Compromise is not an option in this case: the phrase did not comply with policy so it was first removed, in accordance with policy, and then reworded so as to comply. You have chosen not to engage in discussion; failed to give any reason for your repeated insertions of NI; have removed a good, correctly used, reference without explanation. I have put the relevant issues on the talk page, which you have chosen not contributed to; I have made edit summaries of the issues. I really cannot see why you insist on putting NI into that particular phrase. If you want to get the point you are making across to readers it can easily be done by writing another, separate sentence. Moonraker made a simple referencing error which has been dealt with. Why not just leave it at that and move on? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm seeking to move it on, rather than move on -----Snowded TALK 06:56, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Erith[edit]

If you choose to use the word "distressing" to describe an edit that's wrong yet perfectly innocuous, then your comment about that edit becomes that bit less reasoned, does it not?

Also, nothing was stopping you from making the desired changes yourself - or from leaving that comment about my edit on *my* talk page, rather than the talk page for the article in question.

I'm going to take another break from Wikipedia now - because, among other things, I just can't be bothered getting into arguments like this... Bluebird207 (talk) 03:03, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

If I said I am distressed by your statements that my comment had clearly annoyed or upset you, would you also accuse me of using inappropriate wording? The term I used was totally innocuous and part of the rich tapestry of the language that is spoken by countless people in countless ways all around the world. IMO you have overreacted to an in context light hearted comment that most people would not have given a second thought to. By making such a point of the word 'distressing' we are detracted from the actual point of dispute. From your edit history I assume you are very aware of the ongoing circular debates about county related articles in UK wikipedia articles, which makes your remarks even more surprising. As you can see, I have reworded the lead slightly. Based on past experience I expect somebody will change it back soon to something closer to your chosen wording. If and when that happens I won't lose any sleep over it. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 04:48, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

September 2018[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Zackmann08. Thank you for your recent contributions to Beauchene Island. I noticed that when you added the image to the infobox, you added it as a thumbnail. In the future, please do not use thumbnails when adding images to an infobox (see WP:INFOBOXIMAGE). What does this mean? Well in the infobox, when you specify the image you wish to use, instead of doing it like this:

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