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Mahood Falls[edit]

Saw your edit, figure you must have local knowledge. There are appears to be an error in BCGNIS for Mahood Falls, which lists a community in a side-valley south of the outlet of Canim Lake; see the map generated on that page; there is no "waterfall" or "cascade" listing for Mahood Falls i.e. as a waterfall, only this community link. According to BCGNIS there was a post office of that name, at that location? Is that correct? Sometimes they're in error and I send them fixes, but also it's been a "knot" in article-space for a while because though I know there's a waterfall named Mahood Falls it's not in that, which is the primary government source nad has other (but not all) major waterfalls. Your input please, maybe you could explain about both community and watefall?Skookum1 (talk) 11:00, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Since I'm a new contributor (11 edits so far), I hope I'm using the right method to reply to you, Skookum1. There's a lot to learn about. I am working through all the Wells Gray Park articles since there appear to be some errors and I'm adding extra material. I wrote a book on Wells Gray Park, now in 5th edition, so feel free to ask me about anything to do with the park. About Mahood Falls: I fixed and expanded Mahood Lake article yesterday but I see Mahood River and Mahood Falls also need some work and presently there is some conflicting info which I will work on in the next couple of days. BCGNIS refers to the community of Mahood Falls. I remember a post office there long ago and the BCGNIS says it closed in 1990. There may be only 50 people living there now spread out along 5 km of road, no store or services at all. The BCGNIS map shows the correct location of the community at east end of Roserim Lake, but as you say no reference to the waterfall. The waterfall of Mahood Falls is 3 km east of the last house at Canimred Creek. Trail signage on the road says only 'Canim Falls' and you walk about 10 mins to see Mahood Falls first, then 10 mins further to see Canim Falls. Both are on the Canim River, between Canim Lake and Mahood Lake, where there is a large island; the north channel goes over Mahood Falls and the south channel (which carries a lot more water) over Canim Falls. I will include the naming history of the waterfall when I do that article. BCGNIS is a one-person office in Victoria. She does a heroic job of keeping up but there is so much info to post, so that could be why you have found it frustrating. Please reply that you got this, so I know I did it right.

Cheers Roland Neave (talk) 22:08, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Yup it's pretty easy, though it's customary to indent (use a colon for each indent); applies only to the first line; a semi-colon is used as a bold e.g. on disambiguation pages. There's a Mount Mahood in British Columbia; if it's made or if it's there it's probably Mount Mahood (British Columbia), and you'd "pipe" that to just "Mount Mahood", rather than remove the link; a stub would be fine (lots of BC mtn articles are just stubs). I gather maybe the location may have a view of the falls? At the coordintes given it's on a southwest slope in a side valley south of the end of Canim Lake; in any case I'll relay your note to the BCGNIS folks; there's grounds to make an entry now, as there have to be two by their system (the falls and the community). To reply to this use three colons :::to start. Colons will behave as normal everywhere except after a line-break/enter key. When making mountain or any items of any kind, BCGNIS is a primary reference, just post the link and a basic line about where it is, and any name information that might be in BCGNIS (but not verbatim).Skookum1 (talk) 06:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


The problem was the article had been tagged as completely unreferenced back when it was a stub (very short start article) in 2009. Due to an aesthetic disagreement a certain cadre of editors insisted that these tags should not be visible on stubs - with which I have always disagreed, but that's Wikipedia. Of course as it grew and got references no-one removed the tag, what with it being "invisible" - until yesterday I checked out a bunch that were no longer stubs and made them visible. If you feel that the article has sufficient refs, then simply remove the tag. Rich Farmbrough, 03:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC).

Possibly unfree File:Hobson Lake Wells Gray.jpg[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Hobson Lake Wells Gray.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. --Acather96 (talk) 07:49, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Could you clarify the kind of permission that "B.C. Parks" gave you regarding this image? Did he or she say, "I agree to have it published under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License" or some such thing? Or did he or she say, "yes, you can use my photo"? In the case of the latter, that is not sufficient permission for Wikipedia. In the case of the former, could you forward a statement of permission from B.C. Parks (if it was given by email) or have B.C Parks himself/herself write a statement of permission to the m:OTRS office? Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries has a sample letter that the copyright holder can send to permissions-commons‐at‐ to affirm their permission. --B (talk) 13:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Permission was certainly the latter since it was in the mid-1990s, but I forget whether it was verbal or a letter. When Acather96 pointed out this problem, I emailed the Park Superintendent and asked for the permission referring to Creative Commons. There has been no reply so far and, since he usually replies quickly, I am guessing he is on holidays. I will forward the 'Declaration of consent' to him. I hope this issue can be held for a while longer. Thanks. Roland Neave (talk) 15:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I have moved the listing to the March 4 page to give it another two weeks. --B (talk) 18:21, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
As I will be off-line for a couple of weeks, I have removed the Hobson Lake photo. Hopefully, BC Parks will issue permission soon and I can restore the photo. Roland Neave (talk) 03:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

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Battle Mountain[edit]

No problem. For future reference, if you want to move a page to a different title, see Wikipedia:Moving a page. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 05:48, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


Hi Roland. I've been meaning to leave you a note since I noticed you had started working on the Wells Gray articles. I am a owner of your book, and have used it during many trips into the park. It is a very magical place, and your book is an invaluable resource for that area. So I thank you for introducing that knowledge into Wikipedia.

One thing we need to discuss is the links to the various accommodations in the park. WP articles are not travel guides, so we don't include external links to places to stay. WP:NOTTRAVEL is the relevant policy. As you are the owner of some of those accommodations, our conflict of interest guideline also applies, see also WP:EL#ADV pertaining to links specifically.

You've made some great additions to several articles, and given the encyclopedia some high quality images. I don't mean to discourage you from further work. But in the interests of keeping Wikipedia a free and neutral source of good information, I felt we should discuss these issues a bit. Hope you are doing well, The Interior (Talk) 18:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Ps - I was actually a guest at the Clearwater River Chalet in 1998! It's a great little place. The Interior (Talk) 18:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello The Interior. Thanks for your comments and helping me get to be a better contributor. I've only been doing this since January and it is a huge learning curve, trying to figure out all the things I am allowed to do and can't do. I have bookmarked numerous WP help pages, but there are always more. So I missed the rules about External Links. When I restored your deletions on Apr 24, it was because an edit conflict had occurred and that was the only way I could figure out how to save my work. (I had put in over an hour adding a new section and at the same time you did the deletion.) I often do this - do you recommend saving work more frequently? Or is it possible to put a block on an article while I'm working on it so nobody else can make a simultaneous change?
I began reading the Wells Gray Park articles in January and noticed an extraordinary number of errors, so that's what prompted me to start editing and expanding them. Someone created almost identical articles about several lakes, writing that each was an expansion of the Clearwater River and was lava-dammed. The geographical coordinates were often wrong. I've fixed all those. The article on Azure Lake had a picture of a different lake which I never did identify, but I notified that contributor and got no response, then replaced it with one of my pictures. I don't know if that was correct protocol.
I have also noticed a lot of overlinking. According to the WP rules (WP:OVERLINK), "British Columbia", "Canada", "mountain" and "waterfall" as examples do not need to be linked from an article about some feature in Wells Gray Park. When I deleted some of these links, that editor put them back in, saying in essence don't touch this. What is your interpretation?
I'm glad you have enjoyed my book. I hope you have the 5th edition. Also glad you enjoyed your stay at Clearwater River Chalet. You should come back if it has been 13 years. A lot has changed. The solar panels have been moved and doubled, full AC power from an inverter, new furniture, larger fridge, new kitchen next month, improved trails including a new bridge at Moul Falls. I've also built a second cabin near Trophies Lodge on the park road and it is fancier.
Best regards - Roland Neave (talk) 04:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes, there sure are a lot of rules. But they're pretty well-thought out for the most part, in my experience. Thanks for being open to feedback.
  • Edit Conflicts - these are a pain in the butt. I've stepped on a few edits myself the same way. Two ways to avoid them: I use a text editor or word processor to draft longer paragraphs, then copy/pste into the edit window. Then I save and use a second edit to get everything hunky-dory. If you are sitting down to do a major edit to a page, another thing you can do is place the {{ inuse }} template at the top of the page, which lets other editors know to hang tight until you're done. (Try to remember to take it off when you're done though) Another tip is to use the "section edit" buttons. (If you don't see these, you need to enable "section editing" in your "Preferences". That way, there will only be conflict if someone else is editing that particular section.
  • Yes, the Wells Gray articles were in poor shape. They're coming along nicely now, thanks to you. The German Wikipedia had the better page until recently, but I guess those Germans do love Wells Gray! I was thinking of working on them last year, but there's so much to do. My time lately has been spent getting Adams River (British Columbia) up to speed. Re: the incorrect image: this is where our Be bold guideline comes into play. If you see something wrong, feel free to fix it. If someone disagrees with your edit, then it's time to use the "discussion" page to hash it out. But my experience with geography articles is that there isn't much disagreeing going on. Either something's there, or it's not!
  • Overlinking - If you are reasonably applying policy, other editors shouldn't be reverting. Sometimes it's helpful to include a link to the policy in your edit summary. When specifically were those edits? I can take a look.
  • I'm off to Alberta for a forest firefighting job, so I won't be able to visit the park or the chalet this summer, and I'm back to school in the fall. But I really must get back sometime. I do love that part of the world.
  • If you have any more questions, ask away, either here or on my talk page. Happy editing, The Interior (Talk) 18:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

File:Flourmill Volcano.jpg[edit]

Hey. I was wondering if you have a pic of the cinder cone just north of this cone. There is an article for it called Spanish Lake Centre that could use an image. Volcanoguy 06:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't have one myself because I've only hiked around the south cone a few times. I do have one of Spanish Lake with the north cone in the background but it doesn't look like anything unusual. Best view would show the lake in the crater. I'll ask Fritz Schaer who operates Wells Gray Air Services as he has lots of aerials. I don't know where this name "Spanish Lake Centre" has appeared from. GSC has a website about it with minimal info. Locally, the two are called "Flourmill Volcanoes" so the name change in WP is a good idea. When talking about the two cones, people around here refer to them as South Cone and North Cone.
You have changed the reference to my book and I have changed it back to the correct one. Friends of Wells Gray Park were involved in publishing 2 previous editions (last one in the mid-90s), but Wells Gray Tours Ltd. is the current publisher.
You have made a mistake yourself. The proper way of citing book refs is to use the "cite book" template, which you removed. Insted of deleting the template just fix the info. It would be nice if you could add the page numbers to show what pages the information is on. I keep an eye on all pages related to Canadian volcanism so I generally revert anything that is not constructive. Volcanoguy 07:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm using the policy guideline described in WP:CITE. A long way down on that policy is your method, so I chose the first and simpler one. As long as I'm using an approved method of citation, I would sooner devote my time to correcting, expanding and creating articles on Wells Gray Park.Roland Neave (talk) 04:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Hunter[edit]

You might be interested in the article "Joseph Hunter: Forgotten Builder of British Columbia" by Julian Brooks 28:2 (1995): 27-31 in British Columbia News, the journal of the British Columbia Historical Foundation. I had encountered a reference to that article earlier and just found a copy of that issue of the journal online at --Big_iron (talk) 08:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I will add Exploring Wells Gray Park to my reading list. Sorry to say I didn't make it to that park while we were visiting British Columbia. --Big_iron (talk) 09:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Overlander Falls[edit]

Hi! 1) Yes, there was a reference for it but I'm not sure where it is. Also, if you Google "Overlander Falls kayak" you mostly get videos of people going over it, so I imagine it's pretty popular. 2) Yes, I wrote it quite a while back so that is quite likely. 3) I'm not sure that the template allows for that anymore. Thanks for the help on the article! Cheers! --T H F S W (T · C · E) 03:24, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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