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How would I get a article written, I need a Wikipedia article done, I manage over 200 million on social media, have hundreds of thousands of followers, over 100 million in total views, and I also own a company. I have other articles about me if you would like to see. I’m a actual public figure I just don’t know how to go about Wikipedia standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.179.178 (talk) 01:30, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Get yourself an account so it will be much easier for editors to help you.
Wikipedia:Autobiography gives plenty of guidance. --Ronz (talk) 02:16, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Aquaria[edit]

Hello! I understand that FamousBirthdays was not a great source, but it has been confirmed many times that Feb 12, 1996 is Aquaria's birthday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 727deluxe (talkcontribs) 22:33, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for welcoming me and for the useful resources which, I hope, will help me make the best possible contributions. Serenesage (talk) 21:10, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Ayurveda[edit]

Your last edit taking the statement out of Wikipedia's voice was reverted, so I've taken it to the RSN. I guess we'll see what happens. Perhaps I should stop responding so it doesn't turn into a complete repeat of the talk page? --tronvillain (talk) 21:00, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

I've not been paying too much attention, but saw your comments and the RSN discussion. Thank you for staying with this. --Ronz (talk) 21:39, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Natalie La Rose[edit]

Thanks for letting me know! I was working with an experienced editor earlier today and they didn't know about that either. The date can still stay since "Natalie" has said that it is her birthday herself through social media. Snowycats (talk) 02:52, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Glad to help. It would be better to have independent sources, but as long as there's no doubt or controversy over the birth date it shouldn't be too much of problem. --Ronz (talk) 02:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Matt Chamberlain page exits[edit]

Hello This is Matt Chamberlain.. I just tried to correct the mis-information on my wiki page and you changed it back saying I needed reliable sources.. how do I go about getting a reliable source on a page about me?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumcymbalssticks23 (talkcontribs) 16:40, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Matt. Thanks for following up with me. It's an extremely frustrating situation to be in. I'll follow up on your talk page so others can help more easily. --Ronz (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ronz,

Thanks for thee response.  I thoroughly confused about how to update my Wiki page and how to use the right protocol.. Are there people i can hire or contact to help me correct this mis-information/lack of info on my page?  Best  Matt Chamberlain  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumcymbalssticks23 (talkcontribs) 18:05, 16 July 2018 (UTC) 
At best, there are people happy to take your money that are unable to promise anything. Please review WP:COI.
If there's poorly sourced information in the article that you'd like to see removed, use an edit request on the article talk page ({{request edit}}).
To correct information, you should use an edit request that includes supporting references. Non-independent sources like interviews, press releases, material that you've written, etc may be used in some circumstances and are often helpful to support better sources that lack detail. Without independent sources, no one will be able to make much headway in adding or changing material. --Ronz (talk) 21:45, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Candice Swanepoel[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Mosstacker. I noticed that you recently removed content from Candice Swanepoel without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Mosstacker (talk) 03:28, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

I've left you a welcome message on your talk with a bit of clarification about the article, the poor sources, and the inappropriate use of the template above. --Ronz (talk) 04:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Paul Thacker[edit]

Hi Ronz, thanks for the welcome and advice. I do believe Mr. Thacker is editing his own Wikipedia page to remove my additions. Both IP addresses used to delete it are based in Spain where he lives. I know a lot of people live in Spain, but being an American journalist it is a bit coincidental. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Welovegv (talkcontribs) 11:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I've not looked to closely at the article or editing history, but all the WP:SPA accounts and vandalism is troubling.
It would help if we had a better source for his being fired, including details that narrow down the date to fit in the timeline. --Ronz (talk) 13:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

The atomic swap page is turning out to be a battle ground[edit]

Hi Ronz,

You may recall me from earlier this year.

We came in contact regarding the "atomic swap" technology page.

Our community has pioneered this technology and worked diligently behind the scenes for years.

Other communities are repeatedly staking territory on this page. It is quite outrageous. We have reached out to them, even, but everyone wants to claim "we did it first" for this technology, and they are all too happy to ignore the facts when it gets their name in the newspaper. The most common statement appearing on the page is a belief that the Litecoin/Decred 2017 implementation of an atomic swap was the first. This is 100% incorrect. The first atomic swaps were performed in 2013/2014. We did our first in 2014, but we admit we are probably not the first. Again, most likely Tier Nolan was the first -- the man who first penned the concept.

We are, however, the first to make the technology available to the public via a simply downloaded software application. This represents literally tens of thousands of hours of work by our community. We were performing thousands of atomic swaps throughout 2017, including months before the Litecoin/Decred community did their first non-public swap in the laboratories of their computer offices.

At this time, we have performed over 100K atomic swaps with the public, and are growing faster than any other atomic-swap decentralized exchange.

In being faithful to your council, as you appear to be a dedicated, knowledgeable, and ardent Wikipediaphile, I have avoided getting involved. As I am connected to the Komodo team, I have a conflict of interest and I don't want to tarnish the good spirit of Wikipedia.

Can you please revert the topic back to the shortened version that you and I worked out together -- it had no references to any project whatsoever, and was quite brief -- and then please lock the thread for further discussion?

I am doing my best to be respectful of the Wikipedia community. At the same time, I also am speaking on behalf of a community of thousands of people, and their work and contribution to this movement is constantly under attack.

Thank you, eagerly awaiting your reply.

Siddhartha-Komodo (talk) 04:44, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me about this. I've not looked at the article in some time now. I'll want to look over the subsequent history, but a revert is likely if it's all more of the same problems as before. --Ronz (talk) 04:50, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. What would it take to get the page locked for now? As the public is generally under the impression that a lot of money can be made from "being first" in this technology, I expect the issue will keep appearing. It will be some time before a peer-reviewed scientific article about any of this stuff is written. It's all bleeding-edge technology, and even the best academics that I've spoken with are still trying to figure out what blockchain is, let alone atomic swaps. Siddhartha-Komodo (talk) 05:13, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Global University Systems articles[edit]

Hi Ronz. You've been a big help re the plethora of edit requests from Global University Systems's marketing employee at University Canada West and GISMA Business School. Could I ask you to put a few more of their for-profit college and corporate staff pages on your watch list, especially for the month of August when I'll be away with much more limited internet access? The main college ones are:

COI editors for GUS have also created articles on two of their corporate staff members

  • Maurits van Rooijen, Chief Educational Officer at GUS
  • Sagi Hartov, "Principal of creative arts" at GUS, whatever that means (I've recently cleaned this up. It was full of misleading and outright false claims. Very dubious notability)

Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:20, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Soapbox[edit]

Hi Ronz:

Thanks for pointing out my entry to Silicon Beach for including Parachute Home as a soapbox. I am actually attempting to update the list to include multiple entries from here and here. I believe I have followed the exact same format as other entries in the table (and thereby not really promoting one over the others) Will all these be banned? If so, what will be a better way to update the table?

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plenmao (talkcontribs) 19:20, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for following up on this. Wikipedia is not to be used for advertising, including directories. Using highly promotional sources like those would probably not suffice. Editors are encouraged to write the article first, establishing clear notability. --Ronz (talk) 21:15, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

I don’t understand[edit]

I don’t understand how this is to me. I don’t intend to promote and since this is a YouTubers Page I’m trying YouTube sources because there the best I can provide for this page I think I’ll redirect this to its most common YouTube which is his AGP A.R.M. 18:08, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi ARMcgrath. I was in the process of writing a note on your talk page. Let me know if it's not clear, but basically, YouTube videos don't suffice. --Ronz (talk) 18:12, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@Ronz:Okay then I’ll either ask for the page to be deleted or redirected A.R.M. 18:13, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@Ronz:Okay then I’ll either ask for the page to be deleted or redirected A.R.M. 18:14, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


Ethnicelebs.com as a source[edit]

Hi Ronz, I've reviewed the Terms of Service at Ethnicelebs.com, I do not disagree with your assessment. I'll update the articles I edited. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --Serenesage (talk) 22:06, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 00:06, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

I did not know that[edit]

I did not know that the source i provided was not up to code. I hope that the article will not be deleted, but fixed with better sources. If you can find a source with the information on it, feel free to add it to the article. thank you and have a good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarmusic2 (talkcontribs) 09:41, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. Glad to help. --Ronz (talk) 22:39, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Deletion of promotional/unsourced Article on one Shenphen Rinpoche[edit]

I saw you have helped improve Alexander Berzin's article and wonder if you have time to help out with the one on Shenphen Rinpoche, which appears to consist of entirely unsourced self-promotion about (or by!) an eminently non-notable person? Speedy deletion? - MacPraughan (unable to log in at the moment)

Hi MacPraughan. Delete or stub. Stubbing might bring some attention to the article which hasn't received much attention from editors in some time now. --Ronz (talk) 23:24, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Thanks Ronz how can my article be seeing on google Ziggy 2milli (talk) 13:06, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

The article is at risk of being deleted entirely. Find better sources to use. --Ronz (talk) 17:13, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Re: Welcome[edit]

That's so nice to have some tips from the senior. I understand my mistakes at Jeane's article and would love to get more of your knowledge shared with me. Will take care of things in the future. Ultra Instinct Greninja (talk) 06:47, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

REMOVE TEMPLATE[edit]

Please Ronz I want you to help in removing the the template of page issues in the article YNW Melly Ziggy 2milli (talk) 15:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me on this. I've started a discussion on the article's talk page, [[Talk:YNW_Melly]. --Ronz (talk) 15:39, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Request for mediation rejected[edit]

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You've been mentioned at ANI[edit]

I'm sure you can guess what for. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:35, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Very strange. I've responded. --Ronz (talk) 23:04, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Edit Princess Maria Amor[edit]

Not acceptable. This is the reason that Wikipedia has too few women contributors. Please put this back. 86.0.20.87 (talk) 16:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry you feel that way. Before we get started on working together, it would be extremely helpful if you created an Wikipedia account for yourself. See Wikipedia:Tutorial/Registration for details on why and how to do so. --Ronz (talk) 16:24, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@Ronz: You might want to check out User talk:Maureen Brindle and my response. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 02:49, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

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Thanks for the welcome message, definitely learned some things from it! Beasting123 (talk) 03:25, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Help with sources needed and speedy deletion tag[edit]

Hello, I've noticed you've been recently editing and revising an article I published on Jonny Ferrari. It seems that you've deleted references that aren't necessary or reliable, and also some information. I had specified that Jonny Ferrari worked in online casino, and that is verifiable through the references. I readded this detail in the hopes that it would rectify the reason for speedy deletion tag that has been attached by another user onto this article. Can you help me to clarify what is needed to have the speedy deletion tag removed and perhaps have more details added to this article based on the existing references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superstar P1 (talkcontribs) 17:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

I ran some quick searches, but didn't find anything. I'll be happy to review anything others find. --Ronz (talk) 01:34, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Four years ago ....[edit]

Hi Ronz. Remember this guy? Your comment in this edit summary goes to the heart of the matter. Before that, I unfortunately tagged the wrong delete template, which was summarily removed. You know how it goes - if I had then tagged again with the correct one, the other editor would have felt obliged to find some reason to oppose it again. Anyway, besides maintenance by bots, the article has been basically dead for years, which go to shows that it has zero notability. How do you feel about proposing it for deletion?

And while I have your attention, do you have an opinion on this? Thanks, regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 21:30, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Without going over it in detail, it seems like there's enough at Keith Loris to keep an article.
I'm not seeing any obvious problems with Medical astrology. What concerns do you have with it? --Ronz (talk) 01:10, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ronz, thanks for your input.
On Loris:
  • "Loris is currently president and CEO of his fourth startup, Sales Renewal"
    • What are the four startups? Were they a sucsess? Why is there no information on them?
  • The lengthy paragraph on Softlock basically describes how the book was sold (and it was not exactly a success — sales [demand] were a success [Simon & Schuster], the technology not) and how the business model works, this is about Softlock, not about Loris as a person — a few lines on it being a first (if it was — you tagged it as dubious) would be enough.
On Medical astrology, I had quite a few articles open and I as closed them one by one — after the message I left you — when it came to Medical astrology I took one more look, consulted the sources and removed a large section.
Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 11:48, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
I see you already made the point about Softlock being a failure (and Loris replaced). Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

The Princess[edit]

Have you no sense of romance? My biggest disappointment in my years of editing Wikipedia has been my inability to rescue the Princess (or her article anyway). Digging in to her sources and network of web pages was like discovering there is no Santa Claus. She has obviously put a lot of effort into making herself appear notable. Who are we to kill her dreams of notoriety? When I am appointed King (or have purchased the honor) my first official act will be to re-instate the Princess.

Seriously though, I did my best. Thanks for all the effort you put in to this. I am sorry if it hasn't been as amusing to you as it was to me. Kendall-K1 (talk) 02:45, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for all your help. I've worked on similar biographies, and they rarely go this easily. After her websites were removed from archive.org, I was expecting a complaint from her. --Ronz (talk) 03:35, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Patrick Bet-David for deletion[edit]

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Kate Grigorieva[edit]

about kate's age 30 is true you can check her instagram then you edit it to 29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90nasrin (talkcontribs) 18:54, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Responding on your talk page. --Ronz (talk) 23:10, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Stop changing my text[edit]

The net worth information is up to date and is the most accurate! The net worth is calculated by Wprost magazine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wprost (talkcontribs) 07:34, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Responding on your talk page. --Ronz (talk) 16:01, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

What makes you think of Close connection[edit]

I look after Debarun Pal's online presence, As with years he never insisted me to write biased stuff. Exactly which part of the statement made you think that, pls educate me that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theemperorstudios (talkcontribs) 17:15, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

You have a clear conflict of interest. Please declare it and use edit requests rather than editing the articles directly. --Ronz (talk) 20:32, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Edmunddantes and Nancy Wong photos[edit]

"Conflict of interest policy Information icon Hello, Edmunddantes. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest"

Can you be more specific? I am not employed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.74.3 (talk) 17:04, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Please review WP:COI. You're using Wikipedia to promote your photography, and you apparently have never taken the time to learn about relevant content policies like WP:IMAGE. --Ronz (talk) 17:09, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


Information icon Hello, Edmunddantes. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information.

Thank you for your interest in my snapshots: I do not have any external relationship with anyone.--Edmunddantes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.178.0.58 (talk) 19:11, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Is there a language problem here that would be helpful to address?
You are Nancy Wong. You are adding your own photos to articles. That's a conflict of interest. --Ronz (talk) 23:28, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


"his(sic) is very likely a professional photographer. I certainly believe so. I'd like to assume that she is offering images from her work for use in Wikipedia, unless I'm overlooking something that obviously links her to photography services. "

Dear Mr. Ronz: I am an amateur who shoots one roll of film every five years for my own pleasure. I am very flattered that you believe I am a professional photographer. I offer no photography services and I do not accept photo assignments nor do I do work for hire. I am happy you think my work is good. I hope it is a valuable resource for Wikipedia as some of the people I have taken snapshots of on a public street location are now dead: i.e. no more new photos can be taken of these people: Joe Rosenthal, Jim Jones. Thank you again for your interest in my decades-old snapshots! --Edmunddantes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.74.26 (talk) 17:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

You need to respond at Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#User_Edmunddantes. I will copy your response there. --Ronz (talk) 19:22, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Possible copyright problems; likely concerns about outing; possible sock/meatpuppetry; misleading responses; possibly creating a legacy

TheFamousPeople.com as a source[edit]

Hi Ronz, thanks for the heads-up. I can't remember why I used that source — possibly it contained the same information as the more convincing other source, in a way that was easier to link directly to. With the other source it doesn't seem possible to directly link to the right page — and just now I can't get at the relevant bit of the other source at all, not even in the archived copy. But it does at least name the right book, even if that online copy has become inaccessible.

Anyway, no argument over removing the dodgy reference. --Shuggaroth (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:45, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Glad to help. --Ronz (talk) 21:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Jena Rose Links[edit]

Hello Ronz, I've removed as many of the low quality links as I could on the Jena Rose page, as well as anything too personal, unprofessional, or unverified. Is it sufficient to take down the tags now? Thanks! 'loneagain (talk) 21:38, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for working on it and letting me know. I'll take a look and respond on the article talk page. If I don't respond soon, don't hesitate to give me another reminder. --Ronz (talk) 02:49, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Just making a quick reminder on this. Thanks!'loneagain (talk) 13:25, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Apology[edit]

Accepted with as much grace as it was offered. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlehto (talkcontribs) 20:22, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Further Reading "The Greyhound & the Hare[edit]

Would you please leave this reference standing. It is the ultimate source. It has nothing to do with spam! It is even more of an accurate, authentic history of the breed and it's sport, than the preceding title that I recently added, "Greyhound Nation", thank you.--Richard Hawkins (talk) 15:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Your comments here and elsewhere on the the book are written like promotions, which is the continuing problem. Please discuss, follow WP:DR, and work to get consensus. --Ronz (talk) 15:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I don't agree. A historical perspective may have a positive or negative leaning in terms of the information but sources are not where we monitor NPOV. Sources often take positions in tone. I can't see how a historical perspective can be spam.(Littleolive oil (talk) 16:08, 5 November 2018 (UTC))
I've clarified my comment above regarding the promotion.
There are COI problems, which I've brought up on his talk page.
Over at the article talk page, I've asked if it is a reliable source.
This is a spam issue as I see it: WP:REFSPAM. --Ronz (talk) 16:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I don't see COI and I don't see proof for that on his talk page. What am I missing? Could you clarify? Thanks.(Littleolive oil (talk) 16:27, 5 November 2018 (UTC))
(Discussion removed - I thought I was clear, and I still don't think that there's any doubt about the coi --Ronz (talk) 20:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC) )
I've added this diff to User_talk:Richard_Hawkins#Your_conflict_of_interest, to make it clear that he has admitted to having a coi. --Ronz (talk) 20:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
That diff, of an edit from July 2006 establishes he has a coi. If you don't understand this or don't agree, then let's stick to discussing it, rather than you throwing accusations of me threatening anyone. Otherwise, it looks like you're harassing me in an attempt to deflect attention from the coi-violations he has made. --Ronz (talk) 15:39, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Blake Fielder-Civil birthday[edit]

Hi,

I didn't know that TheFamousPeople.com is forbidden on English Wikipedia, but I am afraid that Amy Winehouse bio still contains false information about at least the year of birth of her husband (as well as quite probably month and place). Please read: talk:Amy_Winehouse#Blake_Fielder-Civil_birthday. Polimerek (talk) 11:38, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for starting a discussion! --Ronz (talk) 15:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Atomic swap[edit]

I've noticed that you've edited the above article and thought you might be interested in this. I've been going thru cryptocurrency articles and removing unreliable sources, as well as general copy editing, removing adverts, etc. I haven't been nominating anything for deletion, but others in some cases have nominated the articles I've cleaned up.

Atomic swaps is perhaps the worst crypto mess for unreliable sources. I ended up removing all the sources as unreliable. Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:02, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. If the cryptocurrency and blockchain articles that I've looked at are any indication, paid editing and other conflicts of interest are the norm, such as Reriksenus (talk · contribs). --Ronz (talk) 16:15, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Use of "Famouspeople.com" as a souce[edit]

Hi Ronz, sorry I didn't know that. You may revert the section cited if you so please. Yobbin (talk) 21:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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Perhaps you're confusing very different things?[edit]

Jytdog's comments pertain to Wikipedia's stance on crypto, in terms of a lack of good sources for articles. You're commenting about businessinsider and digiday being 'promotional junk'. It seems you're confusing two very different things. This has nothing to do with crypto/blockchain at all. It's not even really promotional - it's just news of starting a new project, that has been covered in the media. Feel free to delete, but can you provide a coherent reason? Is your issue with the legitimacy of the sources or the news not being newsworthy enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btcgeek (talkcontribs) 17:47, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

It's very pertinent. The blockchain/crypto is a larger and blatant problem. Warmed-over press releases have little independence, and fall squarely into WP:NOTNEWS. Add that it's in a WP:BLP, which is covered by a different set of sanctions, but sanctions once again. Best to stay clear of them while learning your way around Wikipedia, and then tread carefully if you decide you still want to edit in areas covered by sanctions. --Ronz (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. Disagree with your assessment of "warmed-over press releases" for the sources that are independent based on independence, but if it is contentious, I'll stay away. --Btcgeek (talk) 18:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Both publishers gladly print promotional material, and in this case that's exactly what they did. --Ronz (talk) 21:34, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Noted, cheers --Btcgeek (talk) 21:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

For my reference, which part of WP:NOTNEWS would you consider an update that a notable living person has started a new media company? I see 4 points listed, but unsure which of these are being violated by such an update. --Btcgeek (talk) 21:17, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

routine news reporting of announcements --Ronz (talk) 21:31, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Got it, cheers! Btcgeek (talk) 18:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Reversions[edit]

Hi Ronz,

Thanks for letting me know that some of my edits have been reverted.

Just a note to say that the guy who started the Pro-Truth Pledge (which I support) did ask me if I could make some edits, including a page about him, so I did. I don’t feel too strongly about these edits, but I do wonder if the Wikipedia community may be a bit too strict about enforcing this sort of thing. Is it really harmful to the spirit of the project to include facts like “so-and-so took this pledge” and pages about people who are not particularly well known? Sure, it’s to the advantage of the organization’s promoters that this information be available, but if the fact that someone wants some factual information made available is enough to make it “promotional” then it seems to me a lot more content would have to be deleted. I would think that type of enforcement effort would be better spent on things that are clearly malicious or controversial.

Anyway, no big deal, but of course it does tend to discourage me as an occasional contributor to have content deleted. I’ve had edits reverted in the past for being not significant enough for inclusion, and I still wonder why having less content rather than more is seen as a necessary policy. Disk space is cheap, right? ;)

Thanks for listening.

Branchc (talk) 18:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

The Wikipedia is not strict enough in enforcing this type of thing, but it's getting better. People want to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. It's by far the largest problem that Wikipedia has. --Ronz (talk) 21:40, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

About removed edits[edit]

Hi Ronz. Apparently you've removed some of my edits. I'm just starting to learn some of the basic policies of wikipedia and I didn't think that editions about living persons could have so many limitations. Editing an article is an easy process, learning wikipedia's policies or replying to other contributors or editors is a much more complicated process for me. I'm not even sure if this will arrive to you, but I'll try it. Sorry if I've broken some of wikipedia's policies. Nevertheless, I've noticed that not only some of my posts have been erased, but all the previous controversial issues of some of the articles. Probably someone else had made my mistakes. I'll spend some time reading them before editing something in the future. Thanks for your time Juanelo1931--Juanelo1931 (talk) 07:46, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Yes, these policies are difficult to navigate and learn. I've been trying to get some help with the articles, Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Reviews_needed_of_some_articles_related_to_Rodrigo_Duterte, but there's no response so far. I'd rather not be involved: it's especially difficult to work on biographies where politics are involved, plus fluency in Filipino is required and expertise in Philippine culture and history are needed. Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines may be of help. I'll keep an eye on the articles. Feel free to contact me.--Ronz (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Answer[edit]

I read your message, but I can't agree with the "unreliable sources" argument in this case, when there are sites like Forbes or Billboard magazine supporting the info. I think you're being disruptive with your reverts, especially with the last one to the edit I did in the 'Activism' section, which was minimal, and again, supported by reliable sources. I'm not gonna get into arguments with other users, especially when there is not motive to argue about in the first place. Have a nice night, Ronz!. NiceBC (talk) 00:44, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Sorry you feel that way. Responding further on your talk. --Ronz (talk) 00:49, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
No problem, thank you for the feedback, I'll check that out. NiceBC (talk) 01:02, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Shamari Fears & Lollo12345678 etc[edit]

I think your Level 3 Warning to Lollo12345678/user talkpage was unnecessarily harsh. Maybe their references weren't the best in your opinion but they did have plenty of them. Also, your edit summaries seem somewhat pejorative to me - I've been keeping an eye on the Erika Jayne article and this editor does mainly edit there but their contributions are always sourced, they are not vandalizing, and their content seems quite reasonable (as opposed to much of the vandalism that seems to habitually get done on all the Real Housewives castmembers' articles). "Less than 1000 edits and seems to be ignoring notices" - I don't see any previous Level 1 or Level 2 or Level 3 Warnings on their talk page, just some fairly bland Disambiguation Notices and since when did an editor with a low edit count mean something bad? At some point we all had less than 1000 edits... and they could just be a superfan. Shearonink (talk) 19:27, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, but we disagree. I'm afraid you're not looking closely at what the editor has been doing in light of BLP, NOT, POV, and RS. While this may be some other type of advocacy other than a UPE, the editing and behavior need to change. The past warnings have been ignored as far as I can tell. --Ronz (talk) 21:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
What are these "past warnings" that you are referring to? Shearonink (talk) 21:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Everything that Lollo12345678 has removed from their talk page. I've tried a new approach. What do you think? --Ronz (talk) 21:10, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Meanwhile, I looked over Sarah Foret (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), and found the same type of problems. --Ronz (talk) 21:26, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Thank you for removing the Level 3 Warning - your new approach/notice does have a more conciliatory tone. (Regarding removing posts from one's own user talk - editors can remove content from their own talkpage just like they can archive or not whenever they want.) I personally don't see a pattern of truly-terrible editing, I see perhaps a superfan of various pop-performers who isn't as experienced as some of us. I remember how overwhelming Wikipedia was when I first stumbled onto its pages (and heh how overwhelming it can still be to me!) so - even though my editing and behavior around here can be full of assumptions - I just always try to first assume good faith before I assume anything else... Shearonink (talk) 21:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm concerned that you take sanctionable problems so lightly, and you're assumptions about me seem to fail what you're asking of me. --Ronz (talk) 22:38, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
If you think that this editor's actions are sanctionable then go for it. I'm sorry you misunderstand me and that I seem to have also misunderstood you. I can tell you're an editor who cares deeply about the project. Shearonink (talk) 03:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Section Blanking on articles[edit]

Hello, I've read a post in reddit that the Wikipedia pages of the Dutertes had been vandalized. I checked the revision history and I found your changes. If you don't have the time to edit or fix the content, please put a notice in the Talk page of the article which content were BLP violations first before deleting them. Or if you do decide to delete them immediately, please leave a message of why you find them to be BLP violations or tag them as possible BLP violations in the article. It's rude/inconsiderate to blank a section and claim the content as BLP violations, without providing sufficient explanation to the other users who have contributed. I'm saying this because after reviewing the removed content, I found that most of the content you have removed were actually sourced from published articles of reputable news companies, contributed by several users. You can use the locked article on Rodrigo Duterte as a reference on how BLP is handled by reputable wikipedia editors to understand which parts are acceptable or unacceptable. Thanks. Sctcooper (talk) 05:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. WP:BLP requires such removal. I've started discussions in two locations. --Ronz (talk) 16:26, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
What you've removed though are content paraphrased from published, verifiable sources which are already in circulation. They are not "contentious" because they had already happened and were established, even the personalities themselves have admitted these events happened in live television and interviews. They are facts, not fake news. They had been placed in the Issues/Controversies section because they divided public opinion. I've personally taken the time to examine some of those content out of sympathy to the redditor who complained (he/she may have thought that this was also done by the president's army of trolls and paid hacks). Well, from what I can see, what you have done is irresponsible editing and highly abusive of the BLP immediate removal rule, indiscriminately removing entire sections in Wikipedia articles you don't agree with. You don't seem to be actually making any good contributions to the Wikipedia community, you just delete content you don't like and "pull rank" when people try to discuss your actions with you. You have not even pointed out which pertinent BLP guidelines those contributions have violated. Sctcooper (talk) 11:07, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Sctcooper - I'm going to step in and clarify any confusion for you and explain Wikipedia's policies so that you fully understand them. Ronz removed the content you added to Sara Duterte and Paolo Duterte because they add contentious and controversial information onto articles that are biographies of living people (or "BLP" articles for short) and don't all appear to cite reliable sources. On articles that are BLPs, all content added must cite reliable sources that are secondary and independent from the article subjects - especially if such content is contentious, negative, or controversial in nature to the person. Any content that does not meet this requirement (which is outlined here) must be removed immediately and on-sight upon being discovered, no exceptions. Even content where it's questionable if it meets Wikipedia's requirements regarding BLP citations and references should be removed (per this policy) pending a discussion, and editors are allowed to err on the side of caution and remove content where the BLP requirements may not be met. Ronz did the right thing by removing this content, and your edits restoring them without a discussion and input from the community on the articles' talk pages is disruptive and can lead to being blocked. Content you add to Wikipedia articles (especially those that are biographies of a living people) aren't verified and the sources provided aren't reliable just because you say that they are; arguing your point, going into long details about how you examined everything, and behaving uncivilly toward Ronz and bullying this user with personal attacks doesn't change that - so please tone it down and stop with the lashing-out toward Ronz... Content is considered to have a high degree of verifiability and are considered acceptable because it meets Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you have questions or need help, please feel free to ask one of us or refer to Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy, reliable sources guideline, verifiability policy, or this how-to guide for citing references in-line with content... but please don't behave like this toward Ronz - he's following proper policy. If further disruption continues on these articles without discussion, you can be blocked from editing in order to put a stop to it. I hope my response was clear and set the appropriate expectations. Best regards - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:28, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Oshwah Although I appreciate your concern, I'm not pleased with the fact that you support his behavior that's detrimental to the community as a whole. This is besides the fact that I had made no contribution to the articles other than providing a label which classifies a section to have non neutral point-of-view, which follows the same standard of BLP as that of Rodrigo Duterte. Again, you misconstrue the things involved here because you weren't part of the discussion. The issue I have with Ronz is his blatant disregard for the contribution of other users when he removed the entire section, not just the content he considered malicious. This irks me because he removes them along with existing content, but he doesn't even clean up the mess he made afterwards. God knows if other contributors would take the time to restore and rewrite the article. Some people in reddit even accused Ronz's changes as part of the Duterte's administration's campaign to silence dissent and subvert facts by hiding the truth. Also, I don't recall that Wikipedia ever has this policy of deleting an entire section just because a part of it isn't up to standards. Ronz is free to remove all content he finds to be violating BLP, but he should be able to answer specifically on what grounds(sources,NPOV,quality) when he was called out on it. So far, what he did is lazy and only referred me to the BLP pages as if it proves him correct, but instead it only leaves me wondering which part. If you actually looked at the diff history of the Sara Duterte article, some of the content which he deleted, were actually the very content that had been revised through the flagging of Diannaa(who's an actual administrator) for copyright violation because they were copy-pasted from published news sources. He removed more than half of the content of the article, which were prior to the BLP blunder made by the most recent contributor. So I hope you understand why I called what Ronz did as irresponsible editing and why I have a rather negative opinion of him. I don't mind if you raise this issue to the administrators for arbitration because it's better to discuss this with people who truly care about the Wikipedia community and don't have their own personal agendas. Sctcooper (talk) 14:01, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Sctcooper - I appreciate your response and your honest input, but I don't consider the removal of questionable content or content that may potentially be in violation of Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy (one of Wikipedia's most serious and important policies) as irresponsible; in fact I see it as quite the opposite. Removing content that may be potentially libelous and about a living person is a responsible thing to do - which is why it's explicitly . If you have questions or would like an in-depth explanation regarding specific content that was removed, you're of course within your right to ask Ronz about it and it would be generally expected and courteous for him to respond and explain. These specific issues belong on the articles' individual talk pages as part of the discussion that is being asked to hold. I recommend that you start these discussions with your questions (be civil and work with Ronz in a positive and receptive manner; no personal attacks or name-calling), ping Ronz in the discussion so he's notified of them, and let him know here that you started them and give him the locations of each one so that he can respond. assume good faith; give the guy a chance and be helpful and he'll do the same for you. You'll be surprised as to how quickly things are resolved if both of you do this, and life can move on from there. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:18, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Sctcooper - I see that you've since started a discussion on a talk page here; thank you for doing this. Please be patient while others review and add input to the discussion, and let someone know if you have any questions. A place where you can ask for general assistance is Wikipedia's help desk. Best - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:35, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Mr. Ronz[edit]

I’m afraid I have a slight problem. Austin012599 (talk) 21:34, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Encyclopedia[edit]

@Ronz: Hello, all links can be list in the external links if they are useful to the user. Please do not remove such links unless they clearly break the Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks! HeartGlow30797 (talk) 16:05, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Claims of links being "useful" are irrelevant.
The general consensus in such cases is that links are removed until editors have consensus that they don't break guidelines. --Ronz (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Archiving[edit]

When I see a talk page like yours, I usually add a note with H:ARC included. But I see you already have archiving set up. As your page now has 193 sections, and is almost 240kB in size, can I suggest you bring your archiving up to date? Thanks - wolf 17:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild: It's all done manually, and I don't want auto-archiving based upon size. (I actually did some archiving just a week ago and delayed doing more because of I wanted to keep a few comments on tools and projects to look at later.) Are there other options for archiving tools, such as archiving a date range, or a number of sections? --Ronz (talk) 18:33, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
I manually "archive" myself, but yes, there are bots you can use to do it automatically. If you look at H:ARC -> Options -> Automated archival, they currently have some bots listed there you can use. - wolf 19:00, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Hows the archiving coming? - wolf 03:18, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
I looked at the bots a bit. They require more time than I want to put in short-term, so I'll be doing another manual one before I try a bot. --Ronz (talk) 04:56, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Re:ELBURDEN[edit]

I put the hidden note in the section to keep people from wheel warring while this is under discussion. Once this settles the comment will be removed. TomStar81 (Talk) 07:06, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

ANI notice[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Sakura CarteletTalk 01:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Just thought you'd like to know since an anon has reported you to ANI. Sakura CarteletTalk 01:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for letting Ronz know about the ANI thread Sakura Cartelet. Here is a more direct link Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Reporting a disruptive editor. Best regards to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 01:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Greetings and Salutations[edit]

An imaginative 1882 greeting card in The National Archives collection.
To Ronz:
Hello!
Congratulations!
You have been included in my first, and possibly only, Very Early Christmas List!
As an earnest fellow believer in Santa Claus, and possibly in Our Redeemer Liveth as well, you may wonder how you got on this list.
I have no idea!
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Unless I tracked down the connection in our user talk archives, in which case you know who you are!
Or not.
All the best for you and yours this Christmas 2018 and New Year 2019!
Athaenara jingles all the way 02:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

World Culture Festival[edit]

I see that you had reverted one of my old edits here[1]. I used the word "critical" in my edit summary because I added the main reason why this event was held and why is this page of notoriety and importance: "Over 37,000 artistes from around the world performed at this festival on a 7 acre stage. I understand that you misunderstood the usage of "critical" which meant important. NewlyHookedToWiki (talk) 02:25, 20 December 2018 (UTC) NewlyHookedToWiki (talk) 02:26, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand your point at all. --Ronz (talk) 03:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
I am pointing out that I used "critical" in my revision comment in the sense that the edit was the most important statement about the event. Possibly the reason why the article should exist in the first place. You reverted my edit assuming a different meaning of the word "critical". NewlyHookedToWiki (talk) 07:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Then my edit summary seems a correct response. --Ronz (talk) 16:34, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

John Candy Page[edit]

Hello. I was curious as to why you thought ethnicelebs was an unreliable source when I used it on the John Candy page. Thanks. 2601:143:4200:700:30AC:60E3:9B2E:A0A1 (talk) 20:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

See the listing in Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources. --Ronz (talk) 21:52, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

I did, and neither of the websites I used were on the list of websites that shouldn't be used. 2601:143:4200:700:2429:1027:D253:9110 (talk) 03:30, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry about that. See User_talk:XLinkBot/RevertList#EthniCelebs.com. --Ronz (talk) 03:37, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Request a Review[edit]

Hey Ronz, I'd normally take this to Jytdog, so reaching out to you to review this page to edit/delete. On the crypto front, it lacks reliable sources. Btcgeek (talk) 23:12, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I'll take a look. --Ronz (talk) 03:25, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to bother again, but the page has been nominated for deletion, and since you've already edited and reviewed it, appreciate your thoughts there. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btcgeek (talkcontribs) 17:11, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Not a problem. At this point, I'm concerned by the rather blatant COI editing that's been going on in all the related articles. --Ronz (talk) 17:23, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
If there's anything I can help with or review, please let me know. I don't have a COI in any of the projects, and can either remove/delete the advertising part or try to find quality sources to back up the (usually tall) claims. --Btcgeek (talk) 20:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Conflict of interest[edit]

Hi there - i am trying to understand your comment about my conflict of interest ,

This is simply not true and i don’t understand the sourcing of your information whereby you discredited my change of this characters age? All my sources quoted were more reputable than what was there ,

Yes i am a fan , but not paid Brshar (talk) 00:11, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

You used an unreliable source, and haven't answered my question about the images. Please answer the question. --Ronz (talk) 02:57, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Response regarding images:[edit]

Hi @ronz , thank you for pointing that out , you are right , I’m Sorry that i did incorrectly claim ownership of those photos , it was when i first started here on Wikipedia and I didn’t know what i was doing , the correct sources are:

Danielle Campbelle image: https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba5TT5oF2Qf/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1b39k8eg5m15k

Niki Taylor image: http://niki-taylor-fan.tumblr.com


Regarding Nidhi Sunil page, i don’t know what more I can do to fact check the information, as well as famous birthdays Having it listed on that day and about 3 more websites i found and had credited, her official website has the same date: https://nidhisunil.carbonmade.com/about

I am still still trying to learn how to prevent my contributions being seen as disgenuine in future , Does the person who changed her age without any sources not get questioned too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brshar (talkcontribs) 01:40, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Famousbirthdays.com as a source[edit]

Hi Ronz, I've found an alternate source on AllMusic, does this count as a more reliable source? Thanks Boofhead185 (talk) 17:50, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for looking. It's slightly better, enough to be used to verify his birth date as long as it's not disputed, but shouldn't be used for anything that might be questioned. It should not be used to identify his family members by name. --Ronz (talk) 17:58, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Please check my complaint[edit]

I understand you removed some content to a page I created, the reason you noted was not why it is like that, I don't have any external relationship with any article or person I have created, so I'm a bit confused as to come across it now since 2 years of my editing experience, I improve on pages I created consistently and wish you help me revert your edit so I can improve on it. THANKS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amosflash (talkcontribs) 17:41, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Re your revert edit to Lola Glaudini[edit]

FYI see User:83.240.186.98. The sock master is tenacious and will try time and again with different socks to add text over a long period. However the style and content of user's edits are easy to spot once one is aware that these sockpuppets exist. -- PBS (talk) 14:16, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Two months ago I went directly to AIV, where my request was ignored. I should have documented it on the ip's talk page as well. --Ronz (talk) 17:02, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Cheers Ronz. Have a good one. --Leavepuckgackle1998 (talk) 23:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Re:Vital article designations[edit]

Hi Ronz, Level 4 is supposed to contain around 10,000 articles while at the moment Level 5 has a target number of 50,000 articles. This means that the lower than level number, the most vital or significant the article is. For example, medicine is a Level 2 VA (one of only 100 article to be Level 2) while science is only one of ten Level 1 articles. The first four levels all have an established discussion and voting process. For Level 5, because it is still growing, there was consensus to make initially it a free-for-all where anyone can boldly add articles to the list without any discussion in order to speed up the process. Once a section in L5 is close to full, discussion begins and a formal process or criteria for adding/removing articles is put into place.

The consensus to remove the alternative medicine articles was in the list of 10,000 (L4) whereas I added them in L5 (the list of 50,000). I have often used the older 10K list (which was around 12,000 at its biggest) as a starting point in adding articles to the much larger 50K. You are welcome to discuss particular additions to a section even it isn't full on L5 too if you don't think they belong. Gizza (t)(c) 00:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I figured it out. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 00:04, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Dan Peña (BLP Issues)[edit]

Ronz, came across the Dan Peña entry that seems to have issues with proper sourcing, advertising material, and COI. I also noticed that Jytdog cleaned up the article, but a lot of information has since been added without good references. The article also seems to have a history of COI per the talk page. Many references are to shady websites promising to make you millions, blog posts, and first-party website content. Wanted to bring to your attention. Btcgeek (talk) 04:02, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Much of the info was readded after a rewrite after similar problems had been found by SPAs. What a mess. --Ronz (talk) 05:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Any policy on specific investments from angel investors, adding to BLP?[edit]

I searched for this, but couldn't find a specific WP policy on this, so reaching out to you. I am interested to know how to handle specific investments made by famous living people who are part/full time angel investors. It seems like the number of companies are usually too many, and I feel like if the article mentions just one or two, that seems biased. I ask specifically because I saw one specific investment being added to the profiles of Gary Vaynerchuk and Scooter Braun. It is sourced correctly, and the information seems accurate. However, I do not know if this belongs in the articles as a separate section, since both of them seem to have made many such investments over the years, and I don't see why this specific company should be privileged. Can you provide your insight? ----Btcgeek (talk) 22:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Good questions! Thanks for bringing it up.
Gary Vaynerchuk regularly has problems with promotional material. I'm sure Scooter Braun is similar, though I've not looked closely.
Regarding the recent additions that I removed from the two articles, the reference used is unreliable and promotional. The editor that added it likely has a COI, though it's iffy.
So to your specific question: WP:POV and WP:NOT are the policies. Without an independent, reliable source, such material doesn't belong because of the huge POV/SOAP problems that you're seeing. Even with a much better source, there are problems if the reference does not give some overview of the entire portfolio (so no one cherry-picking specific investments to highlight over others), and gives some reason why it is a noteworthy part of the person's biography. --Ronz (talk) 01:31, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back with the specifics! I noticed the low-quality reference, and then did some research into the veracity of the claim, which turned out to be true. So the question for me was whether to find a better quality source or remove this information completely. I guess you answered it!
I was bothered by the cherry-picking of that one investment, which didn't seem important enough or noteworthy to me, among the many others that exist but not mentioned (rightly in my opinion). In general though, does a list of investments from a person belong in their biography at all (I think not)? I noticed that Scooter Braun article has a quick list of companies he's invested in that are big enough for a mention (last line of his personal life section), and the reference is a CNBC article. Does this seem like a good way to mention only the most important investments via a credible reference? --Btcgeek (talk) 02:05, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
I've never looked at Scooter Braun... --Ronz (talk) 02:07, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Skimming: It's not clear mention of 100 Thieves Esports belongs. The CNBC ref is a puff-piece interview that does not have the independence needed to determine if it is noteworthy or encyclopedic. Further, the list in the article doesn't appear to be verified in the reference. --Ronz (talk) 02:14, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
You're absolutely right about the 100 Thieves Esports! Seems just one out of scores/hundreds potentially, and not important enough for biography. Also, potential COI going through the history of when and how it was added. I removed it from the article. --Btcgeek (talk) 02:24, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
You're also absolutely right that the CNBC article doesn't verify the content regarding list of investments (e.g. the article doesn't mention Lyft at all). What's a better resolution here - remove the investment parts completely, or find better sources for each claim?
It's a BLP, so removing unsourced and poorly source material is the best start. If the article is as similar to Vaynerchuk's as I think it may be, there's probably a lot of work to be done. --Ronz (talk) 02:37, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for all your input. I've removed the investment parts referenced with the CNBC article in the personal life section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btcgeek (talkcontribs) 02:59, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Years ago I made some edits to a page and you were kind enough to say they were appropriate on my Talk page. I made a few edits to the barbecue page yesterday that were correct and appropriate but they were reversed today. How do I engage the person who reversed them in discussion? Is there a single person who is in charge of that page? He/she knows me by my wikipedia name Quedude, but I am a pretty famous BBQ chef. My last book was a NY Times Best Seller, it was called one of the 100 best cookbooks ever written by Southern Living magazine, and it is used as a textbook in culinary schools. In otherwords, I have some expertise, and my edits should not be reversed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quedude (talkcontribs) 21:25, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Quedude. Forgive me that I'm a bit busy and don't have time to look closely... What I'm seeing is this edit. If there's something else, let me know.
It looks like you didn't directly verify the changes by indicating a reference, and your edit summary makes it difficult if you were working from your own expertise or perhaps your own book. Changes that are not clearly verified by a reference, or if the reference appears unreliable, are likely to be removed.
I'm not clear if those were the reasons for the revert, but maybe @Roxy the dog: could clarify.
You may want to work from edit requests, especially if you don't have the time to work through a tutorial or the like to get better acquainted with editing Wikipedia. Some basic skills that would help you in this situation are being able to identify a specific change to an article (like I did in the link above), review changes in an article history, and identifying which editors made which changes. --Ronz (talk) 04:52, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm a more famous BBQ chef than this guy. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 12:38, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't find that answer very helpful. I'm going to assume from that reply that the level of expertise and the conflict of interest are of concern. A good approach forward would be using edit requests with reliable sources that verifies the changes. --Ronz (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Tag removal request for the page - Lori Greiner[edit]

I request you to please remove the ADVERT maintenance tag at the top of Lori Greiner page as I have edited the copy and have removed the promotional content that made the copy read like an advertisement. The page now has only factual content following WP:CCPOL guidelines. Thank you.

103.57.71.178 (talk) 14:04, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for working on it. Let me take a look. I'll respond on the article talk page. --Ronz (talk) 18:07, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

ReverbNation Info Removal[edit]

Hello Ronz,

You have recently reverted every single change I have made to the ReverbNation page twice, citing that I was promoting the business, when in reality, I was updating some very out-of-date information and approaching the information from as neutral as possible. Can you explain what exactly you had a problem with in my last revisions (specific sources, what exactly you found to be promotional, etc.).

Thanks

I made small edit, with a clear edit summary, which you reverted without comment. Now you want me to provide further detail about why I reverted your edits? Can you see how that might not be a good approach to resolving this?
My suggestion: Instead of making on massive change, and undoing my other changes without comment, I suggest you work in very small pieces so it's easy to see what new references you are adding, how you are using them, etc. Please include an explanatory edit summary with each. Work on what you feel may be least controversial first, so we can get them out of the way. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 17:18, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Patent information question on BLPs[edit]

Hi Ronz, I have another question for you. What's the best way to objectively include information on patents in a BLP, noting that design and utility patents are very different (in the US at least), and that the same patent can be filed in multiple countries. I ask specifically because the page on Lori Greiner says she has 120 US and foreign patents. This in my opinion is misleading for two reasons - one, if you file the same patent in the US and abroad, it's 'double counting' the same thing, and two, there is generally a huge distinction between design and utility patents. I verified from the USPTO office that most of these are design patents, but none of the noteworthy sources mention this (they seem to repeat the claims made on her website that it's 120 patents without much independent fact-checking) and I am hesitant to use first-party data source here. Have you come across this issue in the past? This may not be a big deal at all, and perhaps the 120 claim is perfectly fine, but I just wanted to make sure. --Btcgeek (talk) 17:42, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Generally, I don't think patents deserve mention without reliable, independent sources that clearly demonstrate encyclopedic value.
Some mention of patents seems due for Lori Greiner, assuming we can wade through all the COI-editing and strip away all the promotion.
I think you're correct about the difficulties with properly sourcing the number of patents. (Could she have just a small number of patents, filed in many countries?) Even if we qualified the information by identifying the reference rather than using Wikipedia's voice, I'd worry about the information being misleading and promotional. --Ronz (talk) 18:33, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. I'll look for a good reference and how to display this properly. The way it is now seems overly promotional to me in a way an encyclopedia article should not be. --Btcgeek (talk) 02:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Al Ries ‎[edit]

Reminder of an ongoing discussion to clean up article --Ronz (talk) 19:50, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

help with correct revisions and preventing further changes[edit]

hi Ronz

firstly thank you for teaching me the correct image sourcing previously , I have been trying to figure out more about wikipedia before contributing again , however I wanted to check if you could look into this it seems that this person is repeatedly making negative changes to Nidhi Sunil's page (making her older, taking away accomplishments etc) it doesn't seem to make sense unless it would be someone who might know her and dislike her personally?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.30.239.50


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nidhi_Sunil&action=history

her date of birth is not up for question is it?

I just don't want to make any more changes yet as I don't quite know the system well enough and would appreciate your help

Thanks for bringing it up. That sounds troubling. I'll take a look. --Ronz (talk) 20:46, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Requesting help with people deleting images I have uploaded without explaining why, then threatening to block me[edit]

Hey Ronz. You were so kind to me when you left an extended welcome on my talk page. I'm having a spot of bother at the moment and I'm wondering if you could give me any advice. A year ago I uploaded an image I made myself so I could use it on my talk page. A couple of days ago I uploaded a fair use image (that got deleted, I'm not worried about that), but this other image from a year ago was deleted too. The people who deleted did no explaining. I initially assumed they thought I plagiarized it, So I uploaded the original variant of this image without lettering I used from a fair-use website to be on the safe side, but they deleted that again, believing it to be the one they initially deleted, leaving again no explanation. I'm really confused, as I've left a message and I've had no response. They've given me "final warnings" but I don't see anything I've done wrong. Could you give me a piece of advice? --Leavepuckgackle1998 (talk) 21:13, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry you're going through this. I'll take a look and leave a response on your talk page. --Ronz (talk) 04:29, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Editing out important content on the Anthony J. Hilder page[edit]

Please go to the below to discuss this. You're editing out important info that should not be edited out..

Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 11:23, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

RS noticeboard[edit]

Hi Ronz. At your suggestion, I tried posting about Sludge on the RS noticeboard here: [2]. I've never done that before; I haven't gotten much reply--did I do it right? Thanks! Shinealittlelight (talk) 04:33, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll add to it if necessary. --Ronz (talk) 15:54, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure how people normally utilize feedback from the RS noticeboard, but so far it looks like the two people besides us who weighed in on the reliability of Sludge are pretty negative on it as a source for anything, and I tend to agree, but you've stated a contrary opinion. What role does the RS board normally play in determining the reliability of a source? Also, it seems to me--correct me if I'm wrong--that you're sort of reticent to work with me anymore on proposed improvements to the PragerU page. I'm fine with moving slow. But if you decide you don't want to be involved anymore, can you please let me know? I can't tell at this point whether you're going to reply to the last post I made on the talk page. Thank you. Shinealittlelight (talk) 00:14, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't believe anyone that responded would agree with your assessment. --Ronz (talk) 00:21, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Do you agree with the assessments of the two who commented? Or, if not, with what do you disagree? Shinealittlelight (talk) 00:30, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't think anything came up that I hadn't already pointed out: We should use it with care, avoid using opinions from it, and properly identify it's use rather than use Wikipedia's voice... --Ronz (talk) 02:12, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Here's a quote that came up. Do you agree with it? At the very least any information sourced from Sludge should be attributed to Sludge in text, and not stated in Wikipedia's voice. Even then, given the other issues, I'm not so sure it's a great source for facts. I would be inclined to agree with you that it should probably be treated more like a blog. The article currently contains facts from Sludge without an in-text attribution. I'm not trying to argue, by the way; I just want to understand what you think about the result of the RS discussion. Shinealittlelight (talk) 02:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm afraid that statement doesn't summarize the feedback. --Ronz (talk) 02:27, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Agreed, it is not a summary. It is just the opinion of one of the two people who gave feedback. Do you agree with that bit of feedback, which is not meant as a summary of what the other person said? Shinealittlelight (talk) 02:34, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't agree with it in the ways that it differs from what I've said. Again, this is battleground mentality. --Ronz (talk) 02:37, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I think you'd prefer I not talk to you on this page. Let me know if that's not true, and until then, I'll stay off. Shinealittlelight (talk) 02:48, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Other than the initial RSN heads up, the discussion belongs on the article talk page. --Ronz (talk) 03:32, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you Ronz, I am new user on wikipedia. I will try to be more enthousistic on the innovation subject and try to be more factual. I have studies this well documented subject and thank you for your recommandations about conflict of interest. Please do not hesitate to notificate if a text is better another way. Thank you for your collaboration. Best --Fbeguin99 (talk) 11:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes you are wright I did not asked at the Conference to use the picture. I will take it off and first ask to use it. About my working situation I filled in my profile on my user page.Thank you for your good advises on wikipedia. It is nice to have someone like you to guide me through this new way of communicating and participating to science and knowledge.Best Fbeguin99 (talk) 11:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I have understood that you wanted to know if I have conflicts of interest. I have red the page that you indicated me and can assure you that I have no conflicts of interest. I wanted to participate to wikipedia and for my first steps I took the profile of someone brillant that has recieved an international award at an international conference where I assisted also. I have filled in also my user profile to be more transparent. Yesterday I contacted Dr Di Franco & Dr Walsh and they gave me the authorization to publish the picture. I hope you will be secured. Thank you for you interest and your patience. I am just learning this new tool. --Fbeguin99 (talk) 09:19, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

TheRichest.com as a source[edit]

I received your message, but I honestly do not remember using TheRichest.com as source material for a previous article. If I did, I probably forgot which article(s) I would have used it in. I usually forget most of my article editing after I have done it. If you could refresh my memory on the articles that used TheRichest.com, that would be helpful. Thank you. - Jake "JJR" Rivera

External Links[edit]

Hi there, with External Links, I added her Tumblr as an external link because I found that there was a template for it, when using it, it didn't work so I added it manually. Was this wrong? I thought that pages were supposed to have all of their social media accounts..? And I'd like to also add that I only just read your talk on my page, thank you for the advice and I will try my best to follow and understand the rules. Thank you!

Sawhitney36 (talk) 23:13, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sawhitney36. Thanks for checking with me.
One social media external link is allowed when the individual doesn't have an official website, per WP:EL. --Ronz (talk) 00:48, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Edit on Louis Cole[edit]

Hi, I'm confused with my undone edit to Louis Cole's page. I changed the 'FunforLouis' to a capital F on For because it's the way it's spelt in his channel name, sorry if this was wrong. But I'm also confused because of the Food For Louis information, it's true and the source is a video uploaded by him on the channel that states that he is now eating Vegan/Plant Based food. I agree with taking off the other information, but these two things have credible sources and are true, so I'm a little confused as to why you undid the edits. Was it in the wrong format?

Sawhitney36 (talk) 23:31, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I've no idea what the conventions are for its capitalization, but at least it should be consistent across the article.
My concerns were about the food. Without an independent source, it is promotion. --Ronz (talk) 00:52, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for informing me! So I have read the Examples section on the Independent Source page you linked which gave me the most understanding. So, I think what you mean is that I have to reference at least one article that doesn't have any personal bias or gain? Would this be a reference I can make (alongside the video or on it's own)? Sawhitney36 (talk) 04:00, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Glad to help.
Teneightymagazine.com is an in-world source, focused on the UK YouTube community. It's poor in general, and highly promotional.
The specific article is an interview with some commentary, so it may not qualify as an independent source at all. --Ronz (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Okay thank you very much! Sawhitney36 (talk) 17:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

NPOVN Rupert Sheldrake[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. HappyWanderer15 (talk) 06:47, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for the info Ronz. I appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halfire101 (talkcontribs) 23:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Please step in[edit]

This page https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanne_Vloet doesnt adhere to the English page. The English page was changed. The Spanish page is an old translation. They do not want to listen and change/translate it to the current English page, please step in. They keep changing the post back or revert it + a user report me as a vandalist which I am not. Trying to stick to the rules here. Cna0912 (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

It looks like someone else has done so. I've no time to work on other language versions of articles. --Ronz (talk) 03:36, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Stephen Martines[edit]

Can't find a version with sourced content beyond the accusations. DlohCierekim 08:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes. It's been a year, and if the SPAs have any credibility there've been counter-suits...
Meanwhile we have what we have. Is mention due? --Ronz (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Re: Mayte Garcia edits,[edit]

Hi Ronz,

The reason that I am editing information on the Mayte Garcia Wikipedia page is that some of the information on there is misleading and inaccurate. For example: Mayte Garcia was not on tour with Prince when she was sixteen years old. Her first tour with him was “Diamonds & Pearls,” which started in April 1992, when she was eighteen. She was born November 1973 and turned 18 in Nov 1991. She talks about being hired for the “Diamonds & Pearls” tour when she was 18 in her book, on her official site, in written and video interviews, etc. Therefore, I can not only site specific page numbers from her book to back these changes up but also include more external links if necessary.

Secondly, Mayte Garcia never lived in Paisley Park nor did she ever claim to in her book. Prince wasn’t even living in Paisley Park at that time; he had a separate house. Mayte Garcia lived with her parents in Germany until she graduated high school there. However, she was a few months shy of her 18th birthday, and in order for her to travel to LA for music videos and Minneapolis for music, her parents gave Prince limited guardianship opportunities. Once again, I can site specific page numbers from her book as well as external links to back this up. In fact, her graduating high school in Germany is mentioned elsewhere on this page, yet the Professional & Personal Life sections give the false impression that she graduated high school in Minneapolis. She did not.

Lastly, she didn’t live with Prince until marriage. When he hired her for the “Diamonds & Pearls” tour, he helped her get set up with her own apartment. That’s where she lived in Minneapolis until the two got married in 1996. Sometimes when he would go to LA, she would stay at his house but they didn’t really live together until later. When he proposed to her over the phone, she even talks about it taking her by surprise because the most she was hoping for at that time was him asking her to move in with him (The Most Beautiful, p. 181).

I hope this explains things. I personally believe that this page should endeavor to be as clear and concise as possible. If you need me to provide specific page numbers from her book or other outside sources, let me know. Bojarsjk (talk) 09:18, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Mayte Garcia Edits[edit]

Hi Ronz,

The reason that I am editing information on the Mayte Garcia Wikipedia is because of some misleading passages on this page. For starters: Mayte Garcia was not sixteen on the “Diamonds and Pearls” tour. She was eighteen. She was born Nov 1973 and turned eighteen in Nov 1991. She talks about being hired for the “Diamonds and Pearls” tour when she was eighteen in her book.

Secondly, Mayte Garcia never moved into Paisley Park, and she never says she does in her book. When she moved to Minneapolis, Prince set her up with her own apartment. He became her guardian for a brief period after she graduated high school because she was a few months shy of her 18th birthday and she moved to Minneapolis, Prince set her up with her own apartment. He became her guardian for a brief period after she graduated high school because she was a few months shy of her 18th birthday and she wanted to travel to LA to work on videos. She traveled back and forth between LA, Minneapolis and Germany, where she lived with her parents. She also graduated high school in Germany. It even says so in another section on this page.

I think it’s important that information is as clear and accurate as possible. Therefore, I believe it needs to be made clear that: a) Mayte Garcia did not live in Paisley Park, and she never says she does in her book. I can site page numbers if you like; b) Mayte Garcia was eighteen years old on the “Diamonds and Pearls” tour; and c) Mayte Garcia had her own apartment in Minneapolis until she and Prince got married. Once again, I can site specific page numbers of her book if you’d like, especially the part where he proposed over the phone and it took her by surprise since the most that she had hoped was that he would ask her to move in with him (pg. 181).

Hope this clears it up, and I hope we can get on the same page with the necessary edits for this page. Bojarsjk (talk) 09:03, 13 March 2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bojarsjk (talkcontribs)

Mayte Garcia Citations[edit]

Hi Ronz,

I’m in the process of adding specific quotes from Mayte Garcia’s book as well as her official website and other interviews that I’ve come across. I’m just learning my way around Wikipedia and how to cite things so be patient with me lol. I was wondering though, is there a way to reference a source that’s already been put in the reference list so that it doesn’t show up numerous times? For example, I’m citing things from her book and it adds a new citation for the book on the list each time. What would you suggest? The only new thing I’m really adding are the specific page numbers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bojarsjk (talkcontribs) 23:50, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much.
WP:CITE should have all the information you need, especially Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Repeated_citations and the following subsection, "Citing multiple pages of the same source". --Ronz (talk) 02:36, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank You![edit]

Hi Ronz, thank you for fixing This Is Lit! Catinthedogs (talk) 03:23, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Another thank you[edit]

Hi Ronz, Thank you for fixing my edits and letting me know more about Wikipedia. Catinthedogs (talk) 10:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Editing help Jonathan Swan article[edit]

Hey Ronz, I came across the Jonathan Swan page, which has been heavily edited by material provided by a user with a COI, who gets paid for this type of whitewashing, and was recently covered here: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wikipedia-paid-editing-pr-facebook-nbc-axios_n_5c63321be4b03de942967225. It is quite worrying in my opinion, but it seems like the user has followed the rules of disclosure. However, specifically for the page of Jonathan Swan, can we make the article less promotional? Doesn't it fall under BLP? If so, can't we hold it to a higher standards based on Wikipedia's higher BLP standards - e.g. why are we talking about such trivial issues like 'someone thought he was overly deferential during an interview' etc.? Since you're more experienced with Wikipedia's rules, I wanted to ask your advice first. What do you think of this type of issue, and can we clean the article up via higher BLP standards? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btcgeek (talkcontribs) 04:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it up. I saw the COIN discussion and have been weighing if I wanted to get involved. I've taken an initial look and responded at the article. --Ronz (talk) 15:36, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Ronz, appreciate your input. --Btcgeek (talk) 16:04, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Hey Ronz, I've cleaned up the Jonathan Swan page quite a bit. Got rid of a lot of overly promotional stuff, some NONEWS stuff, and some RECENTISM bias as you commented on the talk page. I've also removed some content that was poorly sourced, e.g. only from Axios. Would you mind taking a quick look and letting me know your thoughts on the page now? Do you think it complies with the BLP standards now and safe to remove the advert tag? Thanks for your help! --Btcgeek (talk) 21:46, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I saw. Thanks. I'm wondering if the interview will become noteworthy over time, but I'm not seeing anything beyond publicity from Axios. --Ronz (talk) 22:19, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, exactly. I removed it because citing Axios for this doesn't seem right. If the interview does become noteworthy over time, I am sure there will be additional coverage (say "review" type articles that might review the administration's record, or journalists covering the administration, etc.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btcgeek (talkcontribs) 03:34, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Dorcas Shola Fapson[edit]

If an person is said to have appeared in "X" and we have a reference to "X" from the company that made "X" then that is a reliable source. NdaniTV and MTV Shuga are great references for the fact that someone appeared in their productions. Your deletions at for instance here are preventing good work from progressing IMO. Victuallers (talk) 16:52, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

That's horribly short on specifics, to the point that I wonder why you even brought it up. It looks like typical PROMO, BLP, likely COI cleanup; though I probably should have broken down the removals into multiple edits to make it clearer. --Ronz (talk) 17:16, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Energy crops[edit]

The reason I edited the article was simply the bad writing. Also, it seemed both incoherent and outdated to me. But you think the original article is better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Perennial Hugger (talkcontribs) 08:39, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

No, the article needs a great deal of work. I suspect that overall the edit may be an improvement. However, the edit is so large that it's difficult to determine what you did, why you did it, and what problems were introduced along the way. Removal of sources without comment is an obvious problem. Removal of prominent links to related articles is also a problem. As I already said, simply try again with a number of small edits and descriptive edit summaries so others can follow along and help. --Ronz (talk) 16:01, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Quick question[edit]

Hi Ronz. I know you are a very active contributor on Wikipedia and I don't want to bother you unnecessarily, but I noticed you recently struck out "I hope that essential information was not overlooked purposely" on the Talk:E. J. Levy page. Since you struck it out after responding to my comment, I was wondering if that was directed at me and my reference to Levy's Twitter page? If it was, I am a little disappointed you would make that accusation against me there like that. I never suggested using Twitter as a source in the article for personal information, and had already used that link twice on the BLPN to suggest that we should take the claims of "EJLevywriter" with a grain of salt. If it was problematic to use that Twitter reference on the talk page, I would prefer to be told directly rather than accusations that I was purposely trying to introduce inappropriate sources. I am a new user, and I welcome advice from more experienced and better quality editors like yourself! I think a direct comment on my talk page or when I first referenced the Twitter comments on BLPN would have been more appropriate than the more indirect or backhanded comment that suggests bias or underhandedness. I just wanted to let you know, and I hope we can continue editing together productively. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
FYI, your welcome message when others are editing your talk page has two commas after "Welcome". Small typo, but thought you may like to know. Take care. Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:06, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Of course, if you have any advice on how I could improve my editing or any improvements I could make to my interactions on the Levy article (or anywhere else), that would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:08, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for the confusion. There were multiple edit-conflicts in there, and I should have been clearer. No, I probably shouldn't have even brought up the Twitter link.
My main concern was that the dates weren't mentioned, nor the context from the references. That was addressed, and I specifically acknowledged the dates in my thank you.
Welcome, , Dang. Looks like my script is partially broken. It's supposed to place the editor's username between the two quotes. I need to look into that for some other notices that I use. Thanks for pointing it out. --Ronz (talk) 19:28, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. BTW, I looked into the script issue, and it seems that the REVISIONUSER is broken: [3]. Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 20:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
That's a relief. Thanks once more. --Ronz (talk) 20:20, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Luda Kroitor[edit]

Hello, Thank you for your message. I have not used famous birthdays before and agree that its information is not likely to be reliable.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 20:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Eazy e was born in 1963 and died aged 31[edit]

The wiki page is incorrect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.127.185.208 (talk) 22:18, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it up. I have a hard time imagining what new sources could completely overturn those currently being used. A new, high-quality at best could make a case for including both years and indicating it is uncertain. --Ronz (talk) 02:08, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Username response[edit]

My username "Cdjcasting," while also the name I operate under professionally, are my initials "Caitlin Dorothy Jones" and the word "casting" which is my profession. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:2B84:F900:E574:1204:F0C7:86C8 (talk) 04:29, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I'll make a note on your talk as well.
You should not be using your company name as your username. The account will likely be blocked because of this. --Ronz (talk) 17:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

World Culture Festival[edit]

Please start a discussion before reverting my changes. In your revert [4], you have removed a counter statement made by the foundation. I have merely presented what the foundation has publicly stated. It is important to present both sides of the story to maintain a neutral viewpoint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NewlyHookedToWiki (talkcontribs) 17:33, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

No, that's your personal viewpoint, being used to promote that of the foundation. That's SOAP by definition. Thanks for starting a discussion. --Ronz (talk) 18:45, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
It is NOT my personal view point. The case is being fought in courts. I have added sources. NewlyHookedToWiki (talk) 22:26, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
The problem with advocating a strong position without sources is it looks like personal bias. Adding sources afterwards brings up the possibility of cherry-picking sources to promote the previously stated position. --Ronz (talk) 03:31, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Re:Famousbirthdays.com as a source[edit]

I see, thank you for letting me know. I will keep the chart of reliable sources handy for the future. DisgustingFish (talk) 20:31, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Wellness Tourism[edit]

Hi Ronz,

I have never done this before so not sure if I am doing it correctly. I understand the conflict of interest but the definition for Wellness Tourism is wrong by basic definity. Just as Retail is the industry and Shopping is the activity, Tourism is an industy and Travel is the activity. I would like to see this corrected but do not know how as I am the President of the Wellness Toruism Association. But also a 25 plus year travel/tourism journalist and - for accuracy - words matter to me. Would love to hear your suggestions on correcting this. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adimon (talkcontribs) 19:25, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I've left a welcome message on your Talk page that gives wide reference to Wikipedia. You may want to work through the tutorials to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia.
Better sources, clearly independent of the industry, would be of tremendous help. --Ronz (talk) 20:30, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Ron. I totally understand the conflict of interest. But the definition continues to remain incorrect. Should it not be corrected for the good of the public? I will leave this for now. Thank you Ron.

Anne Dimon Travel writer/tourism journalist Founder/Editor Travel to Wellness President, Wellness Tourism Association adimon@traveltowellness.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adimon (talkcontribs) 22:08, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Review of SIRIO[edit]

Hello Ronz,

How are you today! Thank you so much for your message on my page :). Really appreciate your help. I'm currently working on adding some missing Albanian new/emerging celebrities such as Endrit Mertiri, Sirio, Megi Pojani, Ronela Hajati etc. I saw that you just reviewed Megi Pojani, and it is true, there is a lot of work to be done still. Can you take a look at SIRIO as well - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:SIRIO. There are still some info to be added but I'm waiting on other users to contribute as well before I release it to the main space. Can you give me some feedback/review? Would be greatly appreciated. --Ilirtoska (talk) 03:39, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Done. I strongly suggest taking time out to learn Wikipedia far better before continuing to work on BLPs. --Ronz (talk) 15:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much Ronz. I'm trying not to have a advertising approach to my articles. Im trying to follow examples of Albanian public figures that are already part of Wikipedia. How do I make sure it doesn't read promotional? --Ilirtoska (talk) 03:55, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Start with better sources. Spend time working on articles where the required standards aren't so very high. --Ronz (talk) 16:01, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

For Sirio for example and for Bes Kallaku, I have used reliable sources such as Google News, Official Albanian Magazines, Issues, Interviews. Also Bes Kllaku was already a published article with only two sources. --Ilirtoska (talk) 04:06, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

"Google News" isn't a source at all.
I've given you my recommendations. I've no interest in discussing this further if you're going to ignore them. --Ronz (talk) 16:13, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Roy Spencer[edit]

Thanks for reverting your revert. The problem is indeed with "denier" which requires explicit sourcing in a BLP. I'm less concerned about the rest of the edit, though I think many of Lovemankind83's recent edits have problems of NPOV and SYN. But if you think the rest of the edit has merit that's absolutely fine with me. Regards, Jonathan A Jones (talk) 20:15, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Joel Berghult[edit]

The page for Joel Berghult is not to promote or advertise and I would appreciate it if you remove the speedy deletion, the page is new so information and reliable sources will be added soon. Michael14375 (talk) 20:43, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

You're lucky you haven't been blocked yet. Please take some time to understand the many comments on your talk page and why Joel Berghult was deleted. --Ronz (talk) 23:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Advertising problem on The Mexican Runner[edit]

I was worried that someone would think that some trimming should be necessary. What do you propose is too much? I believe I accurately cited most of his accomplishments using external third party sources. What else needs to be mentioned to counterbalance the advertising tone?

Happy to move this discussion to the talk page of The Mexican Runner if you prefer. JordiGH (talk) 17:15, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

While removing the one unreliable source that led me to the article, I noticed poor and unreliable sources, extremely heavy usage of in-world sources, promotional BLPSPS violations, and linkspam. I stopped looking at that point and tagged it. Given your COI and inexperience as an editor, I think you should take great care with working on it. Trimming back all poorly sourced and promotional content should be safe. Then use edit requests, noticeboards, etc to get help. --Ronz (talk) 17:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
I see. I'm still not sure of the COI claim, but can you help me with one bit? Please remove the "other interests" section. It's poorly sourced and obviously irrelevant, as this person is not primarily known for their musical talent. JordiGH (talk) 18:18, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

Kitten (06) by Ron.jpg

Thanks from youngster kitten editors of Wikipedia to the experienced mama-cat editor for caring about the newbies

Mchan12345 16:49, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

What is what in my editing is not real and normal? Ava Max ( AMANDA KOCI ) is a Albanian Singer! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olindo123 (talkcontribs) 18:26, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG Have a good day! Kuba Ali (talk) 06:01, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Independent sources and examples[edit]

Hi Ronz, I'm trying to figure out why your objection to my initial edit on Appeal to nature was so significant that the paragraph added was worth deleting entirely. An example given in one of the most widely-read and widely-used applied ethics texts does not seem like something in need of additional references in support of its relevance to the article, and it just seems like bad editing practice to delete content from a reliable source unless there is an issue with the actual content (which clearly does not apply in this case). By the excessive standard you're employing here, most examples in articles like this one should also be subject to deletion, which just seems unreasonable. Also, your second reversion included several extra objections that you hadn't mentioned in your first reversion, and I'm not clear on how any of those apply, so if you wouldn't mind clarifying how all of those policies apply in this case, I would appreciate it. Thank you. And PS, I do appreciate your work to keep information off of Wikipedia that isn't adequately supported, I just think that this is a case where adequate support is clearly there. Drevolt (talk) 18:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for following up with me. I hope that you don't mind my coping it to the article talk page for follow-up there. --Ronz (talk) 20:36, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Anthony J. Hilder[edit]

Hilder is dead according to his own Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/anthonyjhilder Why are you reverting my edit? Tom-1674 (talk) 14:53, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

You didn't indicate a reliable source. Thanks for indicating what you are using. I'm not sure that would be considered reliable. There's no independent press at all? No obituary? --Ronz (talk) 15:00, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Ninja (streamer)[edit]

Ninja (streamer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Why did you take all of my stuff down on Ninjas Page. DomB12 (talk) 15:43, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi DomB12. Thanks for following up with me.
As I mentioned on your talk page, Working on biographical information about living persons is far more difficult. Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy requires strict adherence to multiple content policies, and applies to all information about living persons including talk pages. The sources were poor and promotional, and the content violated multiple policies. --Ronz (talk) 16:29, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

TheFamousPeople.com as a source[edit]

Hi, I accepted your recommendations, but I look at all the sites and the latest news. I try to check the information before editing. Kuba Ali (talk) 07:23, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I'll leave some tips on your talk page. --Ronz (talk) 15:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Nicole Eggert Article[edit]

You have claimed that the edits I made to the Nicole Eggert article violate BLP. Could you explain in more detail?

1. the DJ Lethal episode was widely reported by major media, and clearly qualifies as encyclopedic.

2. The claims against Scott Baio as stated are unbalanced and do not include facts, which were also widely reported, including that he passed polygraph tests. These are clearly relevant and well sourced.

3. Her bankruptcy was widely reported and is clearly encyclopedi.

Taken in total, these deletions appear to unbalance the article and tell one side of controversial matters in which she has been involved, instead of both.

Since you appear interested in educating new editors about Wikipedia policy, could you please explain how these deletions advance the encyclopedia mission of Wikipedia? Thank you

Michaelgmitchell45 (talk) 06:21, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

This discussion should be on the article talk page.
High-quality, reliable sources are required especially in situations like this.
I've already pointed BLP to you, and why it so very problematic to work on BLP content as a new editor. --Ronz (talk) 16:09, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Concerning the BLP vios in two articles[edit]

I notice that you have now followed me to two articles and undone all of my edits, which were encyclopedic and well sourced. This is not normal protocol (see: Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Follow_the_normal_protocol. I would appreciate a fuller explanation for your reasoning why this edits were "unsalvageable" before I decide whether to escalate this dispute. Thank you. Michaelgmitchell45 (talk) 13:40, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

  • I don't see, Michaelgmitchell45, why I would need consensus to delete the material you added. One part of "normal editing protocol" is WP:BRD (it's an essay, but still), which in this case, especially since it's a BLP, would require you to gain consensus for re-inserting it. I have not looked at the specifics of the dispute you're having, but I don't think that "escalat[ing]" would be to your benefit. (And "adamantly" is not a neutral term, by the way.) Drmies (talk) 15:10, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
With regards to the term adamantly, I think we could agree to find another word if one is required, but that is a minor issue compared to your other deletion, which explained the basis of the Baio claim that Eggert's prior words had undermined her claim. Thank you for your response. Michaelgmitchell45 (talk) 16:25, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I notice that you have now followed me to two articles If you take some time to look closer, you'll see that I've been working on exactly these content issues in both articles long before you ever had. Could you please retract the accusation? --Ronz (talk) 16:15, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I do not make an accusation, but an observation. It is not clear to me why your length of time editing these articles is the defining factor in whether your independent decision to make multiple complete deletions of accurate, encyclopedic and well sourced material is within normal editing protocol, which in clear language calls for exactly the opposite. I wish to assume goodwill here, and ask exactly why you believe that these complete deletions are warranted? Michaelgmitchell45 (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Your observation is wrong. The accusation that I followed you is wrong. If you are unable to reconsider after given the facts, then this all seems more like harassment than an attempt to improve Wikipedia. --Ronz (talk) 16:37, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
(Content redacted --Ronz (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2019 (UTC)) I edited two articles, and you deleted all of the edits on both of them, without reasonable explanation. You still have not issued a material comment on all of the deletions you made, and why they are merited. I would appreciate your doing so now. Again, I assume goodwill, but it is time for you to make your argument. Thank you. Michaelgmitchell45 (talk) 16:55, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
You're doubling down on incivility while ignoring policy and my comments to you about that policy. You're putting yourself at risk of a block.
Please carefully consider how you move forward. --Ronz (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your time. I am seeking outside assistance. I believe you are showing bad faith in answering a direct and simple question. Please do not edit this block. Michaelgmitchell45 (talk) 17:45, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Michaelgmitchell45, I do not understand why you are seeking to escalate. You posted on the talk page; one editor agrees with you. It might be you develop a consensus for your edit. In the meantime, throwing around accusations is the least useful thing you could do. As for "do not edit this block"--Ronz redacted a snide little remark of yours; it seems to me they are allowed to do that. Drmies (talk) 17:49, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution Noticeboard Notification[edit]

I have filed a notice to the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard requesting outside consensus regarding the deletions you made to the Nicole Eggert article. You may respond here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#User_talk:Ronz#Concerning_the_BLP_vios_in_two_articles. Thank you. Michaelgmitchell45 (talk) 18:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

TheRichest.com as a source[edit]

What is the exact issue regarding the source? Eerie Holiday (talk) 17:03, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for following up with me. I'll add to the already detailed explanation I left on your talk page. --Ronz (talk) 17:22, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the response, I'll take those things into consideration before deciding on a source next time. Eerie Holiday (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Reliable sources for date of birth[edit]

Hello Ronz,

Could you please tell me the reliable sources to prove that someone is born on the day is says so on their wikipedia page?

I need specific website sources if you can because i don,t understand with all that abstract information that you provided me with.


Hedleyfannumber12

If it isn't already reliably sourced in a Wikipedia article about the person, I recommend not bothering to avoid WP:DOB problems. --Ronz (talk) 02:47, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

John Crist Edits[edit]

Hi Ronz,

Thank you for pointing out my editing errors. When I originally edited the page I was too hasty and did use language that I do not normally use. After re-reading it - I have gone back through the page and removed language that sounds promotional and stats that could come across as advertorial. Thank you for pointing this out - I was trying to squeeze too much information in and did it too quickly. I do normally edit one paragraph at a time but for some reason got caught up on this one. I think the current version is much better. Thank you!

Drsammyjohnson (talk) 19:45, 25 May 2019 (UTC)drsammyjohnson

Do you have a conflict of interest with the subject?
I may have time to work on it in the next few days. Some initial observations:
The very first reference is unreliable.
Many of the other references look poor and promotional.
Notability is unclear. --Ronz (talk) 03:00, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I do not have a conflict of interest - he is a headlining christian comedian so he just doesn't get a ton of notable press but he is a huge figure in the Christian community. I would love your help on this if you have time. I spent a ton of time on edits but could use some help on references. I thought that interviews were OK but I understand that they can't be the only source. Thank you.

Drsammyjohnson (talk) 14:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)drsammyjohnson

Thanks for the response.
It would be extremely helpful if his notability was clearly identified and referenced. Otherwise the article is at risk of deletion. --Ronz (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ronz, I included additional citations and removed/restructured infor that could be construed as advertorial. It looks like the page creator stepped in and made some edits over the weekend as well. Can you re-review? I think the ad template can come down now. As the page is a work in progress I think it's OK for the other two to stay but I don't believe it reads as promotional any longer. Thoughts? Thank you.

Drsammyjohnson (talk) 20:15, 28 May 2019 (UTC)drsammyjohnson

Thanks for following up.
Turns out I didn't have the time I was hoping for, but the work that you and Mukilteoedits have been doing is great. Thank you.
Titles, authors, and publication dates need to be on each reference. Not having them makes it difficult to identify which might meet WP:BIO. I'm not seeing it in all the announcements, promotions, and publicity pieces.
If most of the references are poor, then no amount of editing is going to solve all the problems. At this point I'm still wondering what he's notable for (a comedian known for family-friendly, Christian comedy?), and which sources establish that notability.
You might want to look for similar biographies in Wikipedia:Good_articles/Media_and_drama#Media_and_drama_2 to get an idea of what information is emphasized in such articles and how it's organized and presented.
I'm not sure when I'll have another large chunk of time to look through the article. I hope this helps at least a little. --Ronz (talk) 20:54, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

I mean, he's headlining 55 city national tours with sold out shows and has millions and millions of views on his sketches. He is also in two movies, etc - he's a fairly well-known comedian. So I do think he is notable enough. Regardless of that - I didn't create the page and am more than happy to leave it as a work in progress with the two templates asking for more... but would it be possible for you to remove the advertorial template? I think removal is warranted now since it's been massively revised by two editors. I can do it but wanted to ask you first since you put it up. Drsammyjohnson (talk) 21:42, 29 May 2019 (UTC)drsammyjohnson

It needs a lot more work, and tagging articles is the first way to identify that work is needed.
For example, the WP:LEDE. Because the notability is not well identified and referenced, it reads like some of the promotional pieces about him. I think it safe to say he's not notable for who he's opened for.
Again, thanks for the improvements you've made. --Ronz (talk) 01:04, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Requesting tag removal on Lori Greiner[edit]

Hey Ronz,

I am requesting you to please remove the tags on this page Lori Greiner. All citations have been completed by a previous editor while the unclear citation style has also been taken care of. The article's list sources do show notable and reliable names such as Bustle (magazine), Forbes, Crain's Chicago Business, NY Times, The Philadelphia Inquirer, Business Insider, Entrepreneur.com, New York Post etc. which are enough to establish notability. Also, after the changes as per the talk page history, the article reads factual. I would appreciate if you could look into this, have also left a request on the talk page of Lori Greiner. Thanks.

FamJoshua1 (talk) 21:58, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I see you made the same request on the article talk page, so I'll respond there. --Ronz (talk) 23:29, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

How To Cake It[edit]

Hi @Ronz: How are you? I think this is the first time we have spoke. I see you reverted my revert the last time on the above article. The editor added a whole bunch promotional editing. Since your in the lead, do you fancy taking a look. scope_creepTalk 12:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Bob Marley[edit]

(Comment removed per instructions --Ronz (talk) 15:07, 8 June 2019 (UTC))— Preceding unsigned comment added by Somville243 (talkcontribs) 23:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Editor has been blocked for a few days....start a talk at Talk:Bob Marley#Ancestry additions....so if the come back they can see all the problems.--Moxy 🍁 14:41, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Tsutomu Miyazaki ‎[edit]

The zoom lens in the vagina thing was added in 2009 with no source, then a source was added later to a book that can't be viewed, I would like a source added for that that's both earlier then the 2009 edit and also on a website, otherwise it shouldn't be there, as it might be vandalism

Thanks for responding.
An inability to access a reference is immaterial to such situations. If you believe the source unreliable, make a case.
Assuming the material may be vandalism is inappropriate. Again, if you can make some case that it is, please do so.
Restoring unreliable sources is inappropriate.
Please follow up on the article's talk page. --Ronz (talk) 17:13, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Well I posted two sources. http://www.executedtoday.com/2017/06/17/2008-tsutomu-miyazaki-the-nerd-cult-killer/ here's another one. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-06-18/japan-confirms-execution-of-cannibal-killer/2475810 and another one. So I'm not sure what you want regarding that. So there's my case. Four sources compared to one that can not be viewed to confirm if it actually says that, which since it is immaterial in such situations, I guess doesn't matter. But still, four over one, even if you find at least two of them "unreliable" but a book neither of us can view isn't. I guess if I had said the book didn't mention the zoom lens it WOULD be appropriate. The zoom lens seems suspect and I only find it in articles made after the 2009 edit. ALSO, the Japanese wiki article for the killer doesn't even mention it so it seems to clearly be vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.74.105.129 (talk) 17:42, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand.
You aren't denying that you restored unreliable sources, and removed a source because you cannot access it, right? --Ronz (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm unclear how executedtoday.com could be reliable. --Ronz (talk) 17:53, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm saying the "ZOOM LENS" part seems to be entirely fabricated and can not be found on any articles that are from before it was actually added to this wiki page (not to mention it was added in 2009 and the book it's sourcing came out in 2016 so even if the book did say that it could just be referencing the Wikipedia page). It is not on the Japanese wiki page for the murderer, and in fact the Japanese wiki article just says he got the girl completely nude like what I wrote, and it sources a Japanese book, so we could use that book if you like (or the ABC dot net one). The "ZOOM LENS" part is fake and there's no real source for it, and it's most likely just something someone randomly added to the wiki to make it more shocking, and there's no proof that this isn't the case compared to my sources that say otherwise. That's the main point I'm trying to make. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.74.105.129 (talk) 18:07, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm only concerned about the use and reuse of unreliable sources. Make your case on the article talk page.
It appears that the Whipple reference was the original source for the information, which doesn't appear reliable. --Ronz (talk) 20:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, which is why I changed it to just say she was naked and linked the ABC source. The Zoom Lens isn't anywhere on the Japanese version of the article. You're okay with the ABC source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.74.105.129 (talk) 21:01, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

If it is in the book, which you should check, then it should be considered for inclusion. --Ronz (talk) 23:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I'll go to library when I can and check it out, if it's not actually presented in the book or it cites the Wikipedia page I'll leave it as is with the ABC source.96.74.105.129 (talk) 23:46, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.
You might want to see what general consensus there is for such graphic details in similar articles, at noticeboards (like WP:POVN and in good articles. --Ronz (talk) 00:26, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah like from what I can get from other sources the main thing stated was that she was convinced by him to strip naked, and I can't find any real source for the Zoom Lens, I'm still gonna try and find that book so I can read the article about it, and even if it does mention it, I'm not sure if that detail is more important then the fact that he had already gotten her naked and her dad walked in. Like you said it might also be unnecessary detail. Thinking about it more, I would also need to find a source that says he was actually trying to insert it and not just, you know, getting a close up. The INSERTION part seems like speculation since nothing says he actually inserted anything in her, we would need to find some source where he admitted in court or to the police he was trying to insert it into her vagina and not just trying to get a extreme close up. This is a really gross topic in retrospect. 96.74.105.129 (talk) 22:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

I noticed this conversation and thought I could help. The book is available on Google Books. Search for Miyazaki, and on the last two pages about him the incident is discussed: On Sunday, July 23, 1989, Miyazaki spotted two sisters playing in a public park in Hachioji. He pulled over and cajoled the younger of the girls to walk with him to a nearby river, instructing the older girl to stay behind. She immediately ran home to fetch her father who returned to find Miyazaki taking photographs of his naked daughter. The man attacked Miyazaki, but he managed to break free and flee. The man then called the police and they apprehended Miyazaki as he tried to return to his car. Hope this helps. Take care. Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 00:40, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you that helps immensely. I guess the Zoom Lens insertion was made up entirely 96.74.105.129 (talk) 15:38, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Remember the RfC at Axios(website)?[edit]

I had said unkind words to you for "patronising" me. You had immediately apologised to me on my talk page. I am the kind of person who immediately apologises when such a confrontation occurs even if I don't believe I was at fault, because conflict is pointless. So, I'd wondered if you were the same. Anyway, I'd told you then that perhaps I'd one day come back and apologise to you for passing off hasty judgements out of one misunderstood engagement. I believe that day has come.
Having been on wikipedia for a month more, I realise that you did nothing wrong. That I would have realised that it was just how people interact on wikipedia had I had a little more experience here. So, I apologise unreservedly for that public display of unkindness. Hope you can forgive me. I don't know why we don't encounter each other more often. But I guess, one can't come into contact with all 125K editors on a regular basis. Hope to see more of you. Cheers mate! Usedtobecool ✉️  18:04, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I really appreciate it. --Ronz (talk) 22:32, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Face on Mars fringe sources[edit]

I have noticed that you have just removed an apparent fringe claim on that page. Do you also consider peer-reviewed papers in the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society as fringe? I have references in the talk page which need to be revised before being added to the page. Thanks. Diagramofsymmetry (talk) 17:23, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

If there's a connection relevant to improving the article between my edit and your question about the journal, do make it clear on the article talk page. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 22:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)


Jonathan Haidt page[edit]

I don't see any real justification for the "written like advert" and "contributor appears to have close connection" templates on Jonathan Haidt's page. I can see perhaps in the intro (fourth paragraph) but Jonathan Haidt is a highly respected academic figure. Aside from that one paragraph, the page looks like every other page on Wikipedia, and other editors agree with me. Is there something I'm missing here? In my opinion and as other editors have noted, those templates are excessive. I can somewhat see the point regarding the fourth paragraph, but I also believe it's appropriate to point out his accolades.


Trafficon87 (talk) 17:00, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Jonathan Haidt (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Welcome to Wikipedia. I've left you a detailed welcome, including details about how biographical information on Wikipedia is held to a very high standard. I hope you find the information useful. I'll take a look at the article. --Ronz (talk) 17:06, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
The article is still a mess. As I pointed out in my welcome message to you, I do not recommend that new editors work on such articles. --Ronz (talk) 17:17, 10 July 2019 (UTC)


Sorry, I was on my other laptop... it appears I was logged in with the wrong account. This is the account I use. It was originally written like an advert, but I fixed those issues a while back. Jonathan Haidt is a researcher who's contributions to science and is probably along the lines of Steven Pinker. He's made very significant contributions to the science. While he doesn't have the clout of someone like Richard Dawkins or Charles Darwin, he is a highly respected scientist. Almost everything we know about moral disgust came from Haidt's experiments.

In academic research, the proxy we use proxy for a scientists contributions is A) number of citations, and B) h-index.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-index

From the Carnegie Institution website:

"Its creator, Jorge Hirsch (UC-San Diego) asserts that a “successful scientist” will have an h-index of 20 after 20 years; an “outstanding scientist” will have an index of 40 after 20 years; and a “truly unique individual” will have an index of 60 after 20 years or 90 after 30 years."

https://library.gl.ciw.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=57&Itemid=170

For context, the average h-index of Nobel Laureates is around 60. The box on the right contains the scores of Haidt and Pinker:

https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=NYYzMQQAAAAJ&hl=en

https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=VafYYacAAAAJ

Pinkers h-index is 93, Haidt's is 83. Again according to the creator of the h-index: "an “outstanding scientist” will have an index of 40 after 20 years"

I looked up Steven Pinker's page and it looks exactly the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pinker

From Pinker's article:

Pinker has been named as one of the world's most influential intellectuals by various magazines. He has won awards from the American Psychological Association, the National Academy of Sciences, the Royal Institution, the Cognitive Neuroscience Society and the American Humanist Association. He delivered the Gifford Lectures at the University of Edinburgh in 2013. He has served on the editorial boards of a variety of journals, and on the advisory boards of several institutions. He has frequently participated in public debates on science and society.

From Haidt's:

Haidt has attracted both support and criticism for his critique of the current state of universities and his interpretation of progressive values.[4] He has been named one of the "top global thinkers" by Foreign Policy magazine,[5] and one of the "top world thinkers" by Prospect magazine.[6] He is among the most cited researchers in political psychology[7] and moral psychology,[8] and has given four TED talks.[9] In 2019, Haidt was inducted into the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.[10]

I really don't see an issue. Haidt's article looks basically the same as all the other researchers in the same camp.

Chrisvacc (talk) 17:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

WP:OSE: Comparisons to other articles without regard to the quality of those articles is a waste of time.
It may be helpful to find WP:GA-quality articles for comparison.
Or simply cleaning up all the references would be a good start, and would make the article easier to review. --Ronz (talk) 19:07, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I think the Steven Pinker article is fine. Do you disagree? I don't feel like pointing out the accolades of an acclaimed scientist isn't writing an Advert. If it were an article on Tai Lopez, sure... but the sentiments regarding Haidt are generally reflective of the scientific community as a whole. There are a few progressives who criticize his moderate political stances, but his academic work is pretty much uncontroversial.

Perhaps there's a better template to use than those two. There's no evidence that an SPA or two equates to a 'close connection'...

50.255.154.230 (talk) 13:45, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Whoops, wasn't logged in again

Chrisvacc (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Well this is pretty funny. I went to look at WP:GA to find a comparable social scientist to compare to, and humorously enough Steven Pinker's article was one of only ~8 psychologists listed as exemplary articles:

https://imgur.com/HOKECWr

Listen, most of the other editors agree that Haidt's article looks pretty standard, and I agree aside from a few things. I'm gonna do some minor cleanups on that fourth paragraph article and anything else I see and remove the tag. Saying that pointing out the accolades of one of the most eminent living psychologists equates to an 'advert' is overkill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisvacc (talkcontribs) 13:57, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Steven Pinker is a far superior article.
Do you have a WP:COI with the subject matter? Not that you have to respond, but discussions like this are rather indicative of paid editing, or some other strong relationship with the subject. --Ronz (talk) 14:38, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

I work in the social sciences, and I do know Jonathan... as well as a number of researchers in the field. Which is how I have a knowledge of all this. It's common for people who actually work in the fields to edit pages pertaining to their field.

Whether I'm close enough to imply a COI is definitely debatable. I know a lot of psychologists. If you look at all of my edits, they're mostly within the social sciences or Neuroscience

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Chrisvacc&offset=20170324143542&target=Chrisvacc

And I didn't even know paid editors really existed... I thought that was very rare.

But regardless, at first you said the Pinker article wasn't of high quality [Edit: see next comments], but now it's good. I do agree that the Pinker article is superior, but "far superior" is a bit of a stretch, so perhaps you can point out what you think the issues with the Haidt article is.

Chrisvacc (talk) 15:37, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

at first you said the Pinker article wasn't of high quality I'm afraid you're mistaken. Please retract. --Ronz (talk) 16:25, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


WP:OSE: Comparisons to other articles without regard to the quality of those articles is a waste of time.
It may be helpful to find WP:GA-quality articles for comparison.

That statement, to me implies that the Pinker article wasn't of good enough quality to use as a comparison. Am I misunderstanding?

Chrisvacc (talk) 16:45, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

But I struck out the comment anyway

Chrisvacc (talk) 17:52, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, you're misunderstanding. You brought up an article for comparison, Pinker's, without any mention of its quality, so I pointed you to OSE and GA. --Ronz (talk) 18:03, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Heterodox Academy description[edit]

I wanted to reach out about the Heteorodox Academy description. I changed it to simply refer to them as a non-profit organization, rather than a non-profit advocacy group.

Non-profit advocacy group is a contradiction in terms. According to Wikipedia, advocacy groups are "group or an organization which tries to influence the government but does not hold power in the government."

As a 501c3, Heterodox Academy is legally forbidden from trying to influence government: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-section-501c3-organizations


Additionally, their leadership has repeatedly spoken out against attempts to legislate viewpoint diversity:

https://www.chronicle.com/article/Are-Colleges-Failing/244544 https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/03/04/president-trump-vows-issue-executive-order-barring-research-funds-colleges-dont

As a simple matter of fact, they are not an advocacy organization, they are a non-profit. This is a fairly straightforward issue.

Now, all non-profits exist to serve particular purposes. In fact, they are legally obligated to state an official purpose when they file for status. Heterodox Academy's official purpose on their 501c3 paperwork is to 'promote viewpoint diversity, mutual understanding and constructive disagreement in institutions of higher learning.'

It may be the case that Heterodox Academy was characterized as an advocacy group in some of the articles Acquillon cited. But this does not make the characterization correct. The type of organization they are, as a simple matter of fact, is a 501c3. A group cannot simultaneously be a 501c3 and an advocacy group (as defined/ linked to in Wikipedia).

I should add, I have two concerns about the sources previously used in the lede:

1. All three are overtly hostile to Heterodox Academy. It would not be appropriate, for instance, to begin an essay about Barack Obama by characterizing him according to his critics, and sourcing exclusively from those. I don't think this is a normal approach. I cannot think of any other organization or figure that is defined primarily by their critics in the lede, sourced exclusively by hostile references.

2. Those sources relied upon in the intro are overused. Two were used 4 times in the article, another twice. This is over-relying on particular sources to advance a particular (uncharitable) portrayal of the organization.


I understand the concern about not treating as fact what the organization stands for. So I changed the language to read "their stated purpose is..." rather than simply "their purpose is..."

I hope this proves sufficient. But it is factually inaccurate in a pretty straightforward way to characterize them as an advocacy group. You seem more reasonable and even-handed with regards to this subject, so I am appealing to you as a voice of reason... --Moses102 (talk) 18:16, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for responding.
The bottom line at Wikipedia is usually what independent, reliable sources say about them.
An individual's biases against viewpoints and sources are one of the main reasons for WP:POV. --Ronz (talk) 19:35, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

User Faruk danyaya[edit]

Please i am a wikipedia contributor and i contribute for creating new article and you are deleting what I've made please i beg you stop deleting it when i added it back thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faruk danyaya (talkcontribs) 00:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for finally contacting me. Unfortunately, you don't appear to have read anything anyone has written you, while you persist in violating many of Wikipedia's content and behavioral policies. Please respond on your talk page with some understanding of what's going on. --Ronz (talk) 02:54, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Hello. I noticed that you reversed edits I made on the Why Don't We article. I didn't realize I was using unreliable sources and I thought I was using a neutral point of view, but that's probably because I am new to editing. I apologize if I broke any of Wikipedia's policies. That was not my intention. Thank you for your welcome message on my talk page. AshleySusan182 (talk) 23:15, 26 July 2019 (UTC)AshleySusan182

Glad to help. Be careful. --Ronz (talk) 00:13, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Dan Peña Page[edit]

Hi Ronz, your last cleanup of the Dan Peña page is [version]. I don't see anything new via RS added to the page. It seems like a promotional mess, with completely unsourced and biased information like "His mentees have made in excess of US$6 Trillion, with much of that coming from the IMF and the World Bank. Without those two sources, the total is about US$700 Billion" which should not belong to a biography (IMO). Do you have any thoughts on restoring the page to the previous version I linked above? Also, given the history of the page, do you suggest we apply some sort of page protection to that article? It seems hard to keep up. --Molochmeditates (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It was not on my watchlist. I'd hoped someone would come along and improve on it, or at least there were enough people watching it to avoid another backslide. I've done the revert myself. --Ronz (talk) 16:22, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you Ronz. I thought I had it on my watchlist, but was mistaken, so didn't keep track of the new changes. I've added it to my watchlist as well, to make sure at the very least that it doesn't backslide again. Thanks for the prompt action. --Molochmeditates (talk) 22:29, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Detailed feedback appreciated[edit]

Hi Ronz,

I appreciate your comment on my latest edit. I carefully read your notes and the linked page.

As you said, it was my first edit and I saw that it got reverted. This raised the question of why exactly and was also demotivating since I really put a lot of thoughts and cares in my first edit to not mess up. I'm sure you had good reasons to do so though.

Therefore, I'd like to kindly ask what exactly was wrong about the edit?

I read your feedback but could you please give me specific feedback for my case since it basically just says I should not start with public figures and linked to the rules for editing pages of public figures which I read?

I'd like to avoid making the same mistakes again - and yes I'll not work on public figures anymore. I ask, because in my understanding there was a page of a person where I saw that by fact something was / is missing and that could be improved. I kept the tone of the article, placed changes in the right spot and quoted with the best possible source. It was not written in a promotional way, nor some subjective content or random change. Not even a new chapter. Again, I don't want to argue about the making the changes revert, I'd just like to know what was actually wrong about my specific changes on the page.

Thanks for your help.

First, biographical information requires high-quality sources. The only external link provided was to the podcast page. Without an independent, high-quality source, the content is simply advertising, regardless of tone per WP:POV and WP:NOT.
Second, this specific article has a history of problematic edits, so there are many editors watching the article for continuation of these problems. --Ronz (talk) 01:15, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
As the editor who reversed your change, I'd also like to add that for BLPs, "important" information is more important than "timely" information. Even if there was an independent RS for your edit, you need to ask yourself if that information belongs in a biography (not saying this doesn't, just saying it's not always obvious to new editors). Apologies for hijacking your talk page Ronz! --Molochmeditates (talk) 01:54, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Need help with the page of Earl Mindell[edit]

Hello Ronz,

I am writing to you with regards to the page - Earl Mindell. A maintenance tag on the page says that 'The neutrality of this article is disputed' and hence I had proposed a few changes to the page in July 2019. I would require your help in understanding as to what can be done to establish neutrality of the page. Since there was criticism of his book, I had suggested a few good reviews about the book to make it neutral. Also, that PWU was granted authorization to operate as a California degree-granting institution by the State Department of Education. Mindell was awarded a legal and valid Ph. D. in Nutrition under the laws of the State of California. All changes proposed were referenced and hence I am requesting you to please let me know what can be done to neutralize the text in 'Relations with the scientific community' section and the overall page. Thank you. TP495 (talk) 22:54, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Follow COI and Wikipedia's content policies more closely. Keep your requests small, brief, and clear. Don't expect to make much progress, as Wikipedia strives to be a serious encyclopedia, rather than a venue for public relations. --Ronz (talk) 23:29, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion[edit]

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August 2019[edit]

Stop icon with clock
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring, as you did at Al Seckel. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.
During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Bbb23 (talk) 18:00, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
@Bbb23: I'm happy to provide more information as two why the three of the five diffs are not reverts, if what I've written isn't clear. I will make no more edits to the article regardless for whatever timeframe you choose in the meantime.
As I wrote, there are three different external links being removed in that set of edits. The TED link is under discussion at the talk page and at ELN, where consensus was to remove it, until Ammarpad came along and restored it while admitting to not understanding the discussion. --Ronz (talk) 18:06, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
So what? Why does that mean your edits are not reverts? Also, while you're at it, please explain why you left a retaliatory warning on Ammarpad's Talk page. The warning was meritless and disruptive.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:09, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
The notice on his talk page is a formal step to get him to stop his edit-warring.
Removing different information from the same section isn't reverting in my understanding. --Ronz (talk) 18:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Here's my descriptions of the diffs:
  1. 17:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC) removal of a link to an interview (initially added here - likely COI - SPAM)
  2. 15:59, 13 August 2019 (UTC) revert to remove the TED speaker profile link
  3. 15:00, 12 August 2019 (UTC) removal of Seckel's "Recollections of Richard Feynman" (initially added here by Seckel)
  4. 04:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC) revert to remove the TED speaker profile
  5. 01:09, 12 August 2019 (UTC) initial removal of the TED talk and speaker profile
I count two reverts of the removal of the TED speaker profile. --Ronz (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You don't warn someone of edit warring after only two reverts. You can do so after three so the user can avoid violating 3RR, but not after two, and particularly when your edit-warring was obvious, smacks of bad faith. As for what constitutes a revert, Ammarpad cited part of the relevant definition from policy at ANEW. Below that wonderfully colored box, it continues: "A 'revert' means any edit (or administrative action) that reverses the actions of other editors, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material." (emphasis added by me).--Bbb23 (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
When someone jumps into a dispute and edit-wars while ignoring consensus, I think a formal warning is required. That's the situation here. That's why I left the notice.
So you're saying any removal of any material is a revert? To me 3RR and EW are to prevent back-and-forth editing as a means of dispute resolution. --Ronz (talk) 18:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm happy to restore the two other links, and comment on the talk page on why they should be removed. --Ronz (talk) 18:44, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Ronz (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

I wasn't aware that removal of any information can be considered a revert. As I've explained, I consider this two reverts on my part. Long term, I'll change my behavior to avoid such situations in the future. Short term, I'll restore the two unrelated links, and start a discussion about them on the talk page. On the tangential issues, I'll work on de-escalating the situation between myself and Ammarpad. Ronz (talk) 20:24, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Per user-agreed condition: user will not edit Al Seckel for any reason for two weeks (they can restore ELs they removed and use Talk page).--Bbb23 (talk) 23:11, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

It looks like that's been the 3RR wording since this edit by User:SlimVirgin. It was discussed at Wikipedia talk:Three-revert rule/Archive 8#Today's changes when the change was made almost 10 years ago, and it comes up again and again. It still surprises editors. Most admins do not choose to enforce the "or different material" line.

I think the fundamental difficulty is that this series of cooperative edits:

  • Alice: This picture is awful, so I'm removing it.
  • Bob: Thanks for removing the bad picture. I just fixed a typo.
  • Alice: This paragraph doesn't really belong in this article; it's a duplicate of what's already in the related article, Example, so I'm removing it.
  • Carol: Good idea, Alice. I'm adding a quick a link to the Example article.
  • Alice: Thanks for the link, Carol. This sentence is unsourced and wrong, so I'm removing it.

has Alice removing something three times, with someone else editing in between those three times, and therefore "edit warring" and "violating" 3RR as written. It's not meant to be interpreted that way, but it's written so that if you remove content in a series of smaller edits, and two other editors happen to edit the article during the time you are editing, then you can get surprised by a block. The workarounds are usually to remove everything in one large edit, or to carefully spread your edits out over the space of multiple days. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

WhatamIdoing, I didn't add that in April 2010. It was carried over from Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. For example, see September 2006: "Note: There is no requirement for the reverts to be related: any four reverts on the same page count." SarahSV (talk) 22:48, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying that the long history. So the rule has been around for at least 13 years, and editors still get surprised by it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware, best practice is to work in short edits with specific edit summaries. Defining a "revert" so broadly encourages editors to make large edits. I'd like to know more about the history. --Ronz (talk) 03:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, in that example Alice can't have violated 3RR, which prohibits making more than three reverts in a 24-hour period. But I understand that's not the point you were making. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:05, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
And I'm usually so good at counting in the single digits... ;-) WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I invite the blocking administrator, Bbb23, to comment on the unblock request. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:22, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Ronz, you initially said "I will make no more edits to the article regardless for whatever timeframe you choose in the meantime." Are you still willing to do that in exchange for being unblocked? You would still be able to edit the article Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:26, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Of course. In light of the dispute escalation that's happened today, I was going to try to negotiate something regardless (1RR for myself to start) to help turn the focus back on content and policy. --Ronz (talk) 21:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Is two weeks not editing the article for any reason, including vandalism, acceptable to you? You can restore the ELs as you stated, though.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
That's fine. --Ronz (talk) 22:46, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Good luck and thanks for your cooperation in resolving this.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:12, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. --Ronz (talk) 00:06, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

To do[edit]

HSM[edit]

Seems to be extremely arbitrary and partly prejudicial methods for deciding upon HSM images. Having an easily visible "THALES" logo as the first image seems to be COI to me. Smartguy0001 (talk) 17:03, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Responding on your talk page. --Ronz (talk) 17:45, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Peace and Salutations! Gr8full to Be Here[edit]

Peace!

Hello Ronz,

This is a note of thanks to you for your helpful tips and beautiful welcome note.

So sweet!

THANK U THANK U THANK U

With gratitude and appreciation,

Nafeeesa (talk) 18:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm concerned you're missing the point completely. Please review WP:COI and WP:PAID carefully. --Ronz (talk) 19:57, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Feedback on edit[edit]

Hi Ronz,

Since I am new to Wiki editing, could you please suggest a better way for implementing my edit.

Regards, Preeti — Preceding unsigned comment added by IAMPreetiKalra (talkcontribs) 05:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

At Talk:Ravi_Shankar_(spiritual_leader), write a proposal, being sure to provide an independent reliable source. --Ronz (talk) 15:30, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Any objection[edit]

Do you have any objection to me redirecting the Maxwell Billieon article to the show he hosted? He does not appear to be independently notable of that (and questionably notable for that, too) and his commissioner position is not something that would satisfy NPOL. I don't want to undo all of your work without asking. Praxidicae (talk) 12:08, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Good idea. I'll go ahead with it. --Ronz (talk) 15:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Foundation for the Preservation of the Mahayana Tradition[edit]

Hi Ronz, I wonder if you have time to take look at this self-promotional site, Foundation for the Preservation of the Mahayana Tradition; you did a great job on ]Alexander Berzin's article, another Buddhist, this looks much the same to me, needs a going-over and you do a much better job than me. Thanks and all the best, if you agree I will watch with interest and learn. MacPraughan (talk) 20:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't have the time to take something like this on, so a few initial impressions:
Yes, it looks like a promotional mess. I'm not clear on which sources are independent, beyond the obvious non-independent ones, which are relied upon too much. The SPA and blocked editor involvement probably indicate inappropriate COI editing. --Ronz (talk) 23:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
@MacPraughan: It all comes down to sourcing. If editors can agree on which sources establish notability and what that notability is, then it shouldn't be hard to make a lot of progress. If you can agree on which sources are high quality, then most disputes should resolve fairly easily. --Ronz (talk) 02:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Newbie/International Sources[edit]

Thanks so much for the welcome! It's helpful to be able to review the things you've linked me, I hope I'll become a good editor and I recognize that I jumped feet first into an edit on living people with some controversial news. In order to learn from the edit, I wanted to ask some detailed follow-ups. First, my edit included a relatively verbatim section that was accepted on a band member's profile, was the problem or was it just deleted as part of the larger post? The second, I saw your concern about the sources (some? all?) and referenced the list of generally acceptable sources for entertainment. The list seemed heavily American and are publications and rarely cover South African/Australian musicians. Is there a larger list somewhere that might be helpful in the future for acts that aren't seriously popular in the US? While at least one source I cited weren't listed, I hoped that the included alleged primary source material was useful. I'm generally not an entertainment-focused person and will try and stick to non-living and non-controversial topics for a while, but any assistance you can lend is helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexacon (talkcontribs) 22:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Alexacon. Thanks for following up with me. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I removed the remaining material from both articles.
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources lists frequently discussed references that can be easily checked, identifying current consensus on their use.
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard is the place to ask questions about the reliability of sources. It can be searched for past discussions.
Thefamouspeople.com is unreliable. The 2oceansvibe.com article identifies a blog as it's source. Uproxx is a poor source at best. Generally, if it looks like sensationalism or gossip, it's probably not a source that should be used in for biographical information.
I thought it best to remove the material given the controversial nature of the content, the sources used, and the requirements of WP:BLP.
I'm in a bit of a rush. I hope that addresses at least your main concerns. --Ronz (talk) 23:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Gary Wales[edit]

Hello Ronz,

Thank you for the welcome message I very much appreciate it. As you know I’m still pretty new to it and was wondering if you can help me.

I noticed there were a few issues on Gary Wales (actor) article that you pointed out.

If you can let me know what I can work on or fix I would greatly appreciate it.

I don’t want the article to be deleted or removed as I’ve worked pretty hard on it.

Thanks RomeZw (talk) 00:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC) RomeZw

Also after reading all your information, can you please tell me what parts look promotional and I’ll be sure to fix them.

Along with the Early Life section, you said that it’s a poor source that doesn’t verify anything. If you can tell me more information I’d greatly appreciate it.

RomeZw (talk) 00:34, 22 August 2019 (UTC) RomeZw

I think it would be best if you declared your COI on the article talk page and work primarily from edit requests there.
Cleanup of all the references would be a useful step: identifying author, title, publisher, publication date, etc.
It would also help if you could briefly describe Wales' notablity on the article talk page, identifying the WP:BIO sources. --Ronz (talk) 01:34, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Describing the qualifications of Stamets[edit]

Could you review and comment on this RfC, please? Many thanks. --Zefr (talk) 15:33, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Looks like the COI problems are under control, but the influence from his marketing remains. --Ronz (talk) 18:22, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your activity today in the RfC discussion and article. I deleted his website from the article yesterday because 1) it is another form of self-publication, 2) it is a promotional-commercial site, WP:PROMO, with no evidence of external scientific review, and 3) the sections under "Health & Wellness" are made-up nonsense about the health benefits of their mushroom supplements. I sense having it identified under External links gives it credibility to the undiscerning user, especially the "About us" section where Stamets is described in glowing, self-described CV style, WP:NOTCV. Reconsider? Thanks again. --Zefr (talk) 22:22, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
I saw the removal of the website, but hadn't noticed the removal of the profile.
I think it's a very clear case of ELOFFICIAL, and none of the concerns you list are relevant. --Ronz (talk) 23:16, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Lesane Casino (rapper)[edit]

Thank You Ronz For All Your Feedback I Will Work On Improving The Article And Finding More Appropriate References. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiphoplegends (talkcontribs) 04:36, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Lesane Casino (rapper)[edit]

Hi Ronz Hope All is Well I Had A Quick question could the "Lesane Casino" Article be Categorized as a STUB that Way Qualified researchers could add or remove anything not up to Wiki standards I Researched the top 25 Baltimore Musicians Page created on Wikipedia and some of those Artists are not as Noteworthy as The one I Researched. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiphoplegends (talkcontribs) 22:44, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Very good question. I'm not sure. My interpretation of Wikipedia:Deletion policy is that changing an article to a STUB does not avoid deletion because of lack of notability. --Ronz (talk) 02:42, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the sourcing headsup![edit]

I looked at that source for a long, long time. Should have ignored it but was trying to confirm the year in that statement (though it is in other Wiki pages so I considered not sourcing - probably should have just done that). Thank you for the edit, and for being courteous about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Technutt (talkcontribs) 15:38, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

New book: Liberating Hollywood[edit]

Thanks Roz, for the advice, as you can see I'm pretty new at this. As you noticed, my DAUGHTER, MMS wrote the book Liberating Hollywood, she has a Phd from UCLA (Film History) and is the Research Director of the UCLA Film Archives. The book, which has been favorably received in the field, is one of the only studies of women directors in the 1970s. I specifically targeted the 16 women who are discussed in the book. I, of course, can add an ISBN, and heading Further Reading, as well as a chapter/page location. As for self-dealing, not sure how to get around that. Maya, the author, is probably the leading academic expert on this niche field, so she is probably in the best position to recommend the book. I have read and purchased the book myself, but that is my only credential. That said, who can submit the entry if not the author or a person familiar with the book. You certainly don't want the edit to come from a less authoritative person. It seems a shame to have these excellent Wikipedia articles on a group of often unknown women directors and then there is nobody qualified to add one of the newest and most comprehensive books on their lives. If you are in fact, the expert in this field, is it appropriate for me to ask you to add the citation? Looking forward to your help on this is. Hsmukler (talk) 04:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Responding on your talk page... --Ronz (talk) 15:53, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

New book: Liberating Hollywood[edit]

Thanks Ronz, I spent last night reading some of the articles you suggested and I think I'm more knowledgeable now. I don't think I want to individualize each edit as there are about 20 women directors in the 1970s, but I like the idea of putting in a chapter/page number. Your suggestions were very helpful and I think I can suggest edits that will pass scrutiny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hsmukler (talkcontribs) 19:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Ronz, how do I put in the standard "bullet" ahead of the entry. do I do it with a special character symbol or is there a preformatted bullet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hsmukler (talkcontribs) 16:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

That's right --Ronz (talk) 16:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Starting over[edit]

Hi Ronz, it looks like we are starting over. Am I missing something. The heading on the Women's DGA Committee page says, "This article needs more links to other articles" The chapter 4 in Maya's book is probably one of the most detailed discussion of the Women's Committee. With your and PamD's help I think I finally got the citation done correctly. It appears that you have taken all that out. What did I do wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hsmukler (talkcontribs) 16:57, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Hsmukler, I have noticed you adding the reference to your daughter's book as well, and I do not feel it is appropriate. If you are not willing to add any content and your purpose is merely to add a reference to your daughter's work to various pages, then that is spam. If you think your daughter's book is an important resource, then put the information on each article's talk page and another editor can use it to add information. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 18:15, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I agree with Wallyfromdilbert. I think it's all been covered on your talk page. Please use edit requests on article talk pages rather than adding the material yourself. --Ronz (talk) 22:58, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate your assistance[edit]

Hello Sir/Madam:

You left a note on my talk page but I would appreciate if you could advise what specifically it was that I did wrong - and how to fix it.  I do not as a matter of practice edit controversial topics; my beef lately has been the overzealousness by which new articles are deleted (not ones I created, I could care less about pride), because often those people are relevant - since I searched for them on google and only as of the last few years I'm discovering Wikipedia doesnt have articles about them.

Unless the article is self promoting or conflict emerges, it could very well be a relevant up and coming person but editors would lack a frame of reference. Regardless, I might leave a talk page note but I have not edited such pages myself.

I appreciate your help.

Canlawtictoc (talk) 12:08, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

I didn't say you did anything wrong at all. I hoped that my comment could shed some light on what you're encountering as you dive into Wikipedia editing: Some areas of Wikipedia require considerable expertise with Wikipedia's policies. --Ronz (talk) 14:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

The Anti-Spam Barnstar[edit]

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For your hard work in removing spam from articles - ZLEA T\C 12:27, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


Hank Aaron[edit]

No problem! Red Director (talk) 18:09, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Drug Prices[edit]

I was reverted quickly for deleting some drug prices I found on Burpenorphine and Suboxone, even though I researched the matter well before doing so. I then took the time to try to defend this view at length here: talk:WikiProject_Pharmacology. I am under the impression that medicine (like BLP) should be dealt with more carefully than other topics. Could you please advise here? Should I post this talk elsewhere? I think it would definitely be possible and valuable for WP to have an official stance on this and I'd love to participate (but no one wants to listen to us lowly 500 edit folk). Much thanks. Luke Kindred (talk) 05:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

This is very strange. Pricing is generally not included in articles per WP:NOT and WP:POV. Exceptions are for clearly noteworthy cases. Basic pricing is not noteworthy. --Ronz (talk) 18:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Heterodox Academy page edits[edit]

Hi Ronz -- the content I removed, and that you restored is factually incorrect -- which is why I removed it. The "Guide to Colleges" no longer exists as a tool (see here: https://heterodoxacademy.org/guide-to-colleges/) and the student "Viewpoint Diversity" tool that is referenced I can find no proof it exists.

Not sure why you deleted my updated membership numbers -- as data from February 2019 is out of date, I updated it to reflect Sept 2019 data available on the Heterodox membership page.

Please let me know why this was deleted -- I was attempting to make this page more accurate.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mloustaunau (talkcontribs) 20:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for following up with me.
The goal of Wikipedia is to be an encyclopedia, not a forum for promotion (WP:SOAP).
Removing sourced content without explanation is inappropriate.
Removing sourced content verified by multiple independent, reliable sources is unusually going to be problematic.
Looking at the info about the guide and it's sources, I think it should remain as something historically significant. I'd thought it might be even a notable aspect of the group, but that seems to be a stretch. I do see from their website that they're working on a new guide, using a different methodology.
As for membership, thanks for pointing it out. I wanted to do further work on that, which I've now done. Given the primary source, little or no mention is due. Find a better source.
The WSJ ref seems reliable concerning the "Viewpoint Diversity Experience". I'm not finding much more that would help us, such as https://www.spiked-online.com/2017/08/02/standing-up-for-the-heterodox-academy/ and https://www.thedailybeast.com/tolerance-and-diversity-of-views-on-the-left-not-anymore . These aren't great sources, and apparently the "Viewpoint Diversity Experience" no longer exists under that name. I suspect it was renamed or is part of openmindplatform.org , but we'd need to track down sources for that.
There's definitely work to be done. Please just refrain from using their own press as sourcing. --Ronz (talk) 22:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

aegeobalkanprehistory[edit]

Hi. When you put it that way, yes - I agree. It's article is well documented with sources, but you are right, you can't search it and verify it. I will fix other references I have made (Butmir culture and Okolište) with appropriate sources. Mhare (talk) 17:36, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Trisha Yearwood[edit]

Thank you for the feedback! I was not aware that NDDB is a no-no source on Wikipedia. Do you have any suggestions to use for her filmography section? Currently I'm using IMDB, but know I could use a more reliable source. Thanks. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 21:50, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Primary sources and promotional pieces are usually fine for verifying basic information such as casting of a film. --Ronz (talk) 21:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. And please tag me next time in your reply so I know that you responded. I have no way of knowing you answered unless you tag me. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 00:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

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Lollygagging...[edit]

Hi Ronz, I do not contest your edit here, but just wanted to note that it's sort of a tricky area, because typically (as you know) we'd link to the primary topics, so the nations seemed to make more sense to me. A lot of folk think that Bollywood is the Indian film industry, but it is the Hindi-language Indian film industry. There are scores of other ethnic industries/languages like Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Gujarati, Bengali, Assamese, etc. If you already knew this, I'm sorry for being didactic, but if you didn't, it was worth a shot to explain it. A good week to you! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:07, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree. I'm not sure either. I'd expect there are some WikiProjects that could help.
I'd guess that Bollywood is well-known, while Lollywood is not. Probably best not to treat them in the same manner. Better? --Ronz (talk) 03:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Tyler Ward age dispute[edit]

Here's his signing day page, no photo, but Parents name and background/bio checks out:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170223130257/http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ncol/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/04-Football-SigningDayb.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by COS719 (talkcontribs) 00:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion[edit]

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H. Lawrence Culp Jr.[edit]

I am not part of GE, but the information you took down from Mr. Culp was correct and true and cited by a reputable source. Wikipedia is a place of knowledge sharing. Please keep good information online. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.144.100 (talk) 22:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

If you are going to continue restoring clearly unreliable sources into a WP:BLP article, you'll likely be blocked. --Ronz (talk) 23:20, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Edits to Phill Lewis[edit]

If I find an actual reliable source, can I revise my original edits? IntellectualChristianWikiUser (talk) 02:56, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Definitely, with the caveats I mentioned in my edit summary:
It should not name his children.
Mention of the piano playing would require an independent, reliable source. --Ronz (talk) 04:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Greiner[edit]

Which content do you have a problem with? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:143:8003:75F0:55AF:321F:CBF3:321A (talk) 00:03, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Best take it a sentence at a time, because pretty much all of it. --Ronz (talk) 02:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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You are most welcome.

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A. J. Liebling[edit]

Hi, thanks for your heads-up about the source I cited. I've restored my original edit, but with a different, more unambiguously reliable, source. Thanks again. P.D. (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2019 (UTC)P.D.

Can we speak on wednesday about my edit to the Dennis Prager page?[edit]

Please call me at 438-925-6410. what time is best for you? my changes aren't spam. I am a real person with a real desire for balanced content on Wikipedia. I can also be reached at either lambert63@yahoo.ca or alambert@cpvcgroup.ca.

Best regards, i look forward to our discussion over the phone to clear this up.

Alain

__________________________________ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alainlambert (talkcontribs) 03:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, no. I'd rather keep any discussion transparent. If there's something private you'd like to share, send an email to my linked account.
I'm assuming you've read the welcome I left on your talk page. --Ronz (talk) 04:13, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

iPhone 11 price[edit]

It seems like this section: Talk:IPhone_11#Price is now an RfC. I saw your comment on there without a position mentioned -- do you want to indicate whether you support or oppose the price table? Someone963852 (talk) 02:31, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'm interested to see if editors want to follow policy or not. --Ronz (talk) 03:13, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Request to remove advertisement maintenance message[edit]

Hi Ronz,

You setup an advertisement maintenance message on the article for Randy Olson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Olson) a while back. I've since had another editor remove what I believe to be the source of the message (a new section that didn't have proper neutral third party references) and was hoping your could review the article to see if the maintenance message could be removed. And if not, I was hoping you could point me toward the next steps I could take to get it removed.

Thank you for your time. Mattmdavid (talk) 01:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

It would certainly help by starting by addressing the COI concerns.
Who did you contact and how?
Did you see the edit summary for the last bit of cleanup, where the editor was concerned about primary sources? --Ronz (talk) 01:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

"Who did you contact and how?" - I tried to follow COI guidelines by making a request edit on the Randy Olson talk page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Randy_Olson). The request edit was to remove a primary sourced section that I believed may have caused you to add the advertisement maintenance message. As you can see on the talk page, you removed the section (Story Circles Narrative Training Program), but said "I don't think the tag should be removed without careful, independent review." Since you were the one that placed the advertisement tag there, I thought I would start with you.

"Did you see the edit summary for the last bit of cleanup, where the editor was concerned about primary sources?" Yes, that's why I requested the primary sourced section be removed entirely. I was hoping you could point me in the best direction for the Randy Olson article to receive independent review. Would RfC be my best course of action? Mattmdavid (talk) 03:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ronz,
It looks like Spintendo closed my edit request for the Randy Olson article as no additional feedback was given for several days. Are there any other steps I can take to have the advertising tag removed from the article? Thank you for your time! Mattmdavid (talk) 20:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The two references you proposed are poor, promotional sources. As long as such sources are being proposed as additions, we have a long way to go.
RfCs need to be clear and specific. What would you ask to be addressed at this point? You now have three editors who've made suggestions on what needs addressing. Jumping to an RfC at this point seems extremely ill-advised. --Ronz (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
I actually have no further additions I specifically want made to the article. What I would like addressed at this point is removing any content that would warrant the advertising tag on the article. Once the offending content is removed and the advertising tag is gone, I'll be satisfied. That's the only issue I wish to address now. I think with the help of all three editors, all the offending content (PR pieces, primary sources, etc.) has been removed, and I was hoping you could verify this and remove the advertising tag. Mattmdavid (talk) 21:31, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Prager Page[edit]

Hi Ronz, as you know, I am new at Wikipedia editing, so I may not be familiar yet with all nuances of editing. I have no relationship with Dennis Prager or any of his projects, other than having listened to his show for 17 years. In other words, I know the guy well. When I read hos Wikipedia page, I find it unbalanced and it misses some key aspects of some of his most important positions. I remain available at anytime by phone (provided earlier) or by email at alambert@cpvcgroup.ca. I'm keen to learn and provide constructive information on Wikipedia. RegardsAlainlambert (talk) 15:06, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

We rely upon independent reliable sources rather than our own biases. --Ronz (talk) 17:20, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Dear Ronz, I provided references for all my edits. Also, my desire to speak to you isn't meant to take things privately but rather to find an efficient way to learn from you how one goes about making changes which do not get automatically rejected. I do not know how to find your email. I look forward to your continued guidance as I continue to learn about Wikipedia. Alain Alainlambert (talk) 01:47, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

The article is under rather severe restrictions, being a biography related to American politics. It's a topic that's difficult for experienced editors, let alone a new editor with a strong bias on the subject matter. As I already explained to you, working on such articles is not the way to learn how to edit Wikipedia. --Ronz (talk) 02:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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