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Space mannequin[edit]

Regarding your revert here, the reason why it needs to read differently is because: (1) this is an encyclopedia that contains facts; (2) it's not a known fact the mannequin is still in the Roadster since video transmission only continued for four hours after launch; (3) we can't say it's still there in Wiki-voice, all we know is that it was there at launch and for four hours after that; (4) to claim it's still there is an act of WP:CRYSTAL; and (5) we use reliable sources, not assumption - no reliable sources can or do say the mannequin is still seated in the car in the position it was in at time of launch, let alone still in the car at all.

I'm going to appeal to the better angels of your nature and ask that you self-revert to the previous language that addresses the mannequin was known to be in the car in that position at the time of launch and for a period of time following the launch. It makes sense, it's encyclopedic, and it doesn't violate policy re CRYSTAL and the MOS (regarding past and present events) to use the more accurate language. Thanks. -- ψλ 16:18, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I beg to differ; the only conceivable way Starman might not still be in the car would be some kind of collision with an asteroid or other such orbital object, which if it occurred would likely have destroyed the whole upper stage and car too. We can hardly imply that the mannequin might not be there without also adding an element of doubt to the wording that it "is now an artificial satellite of the sun" - and that would be a far bigger act of WP:CRYSTAL. Rosbif73 (talk) 16:36, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
I think you are probably right, however, assuming the mannequin is still there based on personal knowledge or a hunch is considered WP:OR. We have no evidence nor reliable sources saying that the mannequin is absolutely still in the seated position or even still in the car. Even if the Musk/SpaceX team said was still there based on their assumptions, that would be a WP:PRIMARY source and also not allowable as evidence. We'd need a third party source to say definitively it's there, and we don't have that. -- ψλ 16:45, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware, we don't have any evidence or source (primary or other) implying that it might not still be there. If you have such, go ahead and change it, of course, but I see no valid reason for me to self-revert (though I won't get into an edit war if you insist on changing it anyway). Rosbif73 (talk) 16:58, 20 July 2018 (UTC)