User talk:Royalbroil

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

  1. June 2005 – July 2006
  2. June 2006 – December 2006
  3. January 2007 – March 2007
  4. March 2007 – August 2007
  5. September 2007 – November 2007
  6. December 2007 – January 2008
  7. February 2008 – March 2008
  8. April 2008 – June 15, 2008
  9. June 16, 2008 – September 2008
  10. October 2008 – January 2009
  11. February 2009 – April 15, 2009
  12. April 15, 2009 – July 2009
  13. August 2009 – December 2009
  14. January 2010 – July 2010
  15. August 2010 – December 2010
  16. January 2011 – September 2011
  17. October 2011 – December 2012
  18. January 2013 – February 2014
  19. Awards (Did You Know, Featured Picture, Barnstars, Good Article)

Armory status...[edit]

I haven't checked the page in awhile, and I feel like I should've a couple months ago when I could've gotten sources from the Press rather easily when the fate was heavily in the local news cycle (of course now it's not; silly Gannett web strategy), though WHBL probably has some stuff on it too. To put it shortly, the Spaceport Sheboygan people are finishing up vacating the Armory and moving into the former Triple Play Funzone building across the river at South Pier, and currently from what I know the Armory is currently under a months-long bidding process by the city and Common Council to determine its fate, whether remodeling or demolition. In the meantime the building is getting bare minimum winterization measures; heat being kept at 38°F, just enough to keep the pipes flowing (though this winter who knows?) and minimum maintenance and upkeep. The Armory Foundation to preserve it seems to be the ones getting their side strongly on the page, so it definitely can be better neutralized. That's as much as I know myself, so hopefully that helps. Nate (chatter) 06:10, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

deleted page Peerless-Premier Appliance Co[edit]

I had that on my list of articles of to fix. Where can I find a copy of the article you deleted so I can create a user page from it to work on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyth83 (talkcontribs) 22:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I posted on the wrong user Talk page somehow. I believe that it was deleted by RadiaFan for copyright plagiarism. Thanks for moving it to to my user page. I am having a hard time finding references. As to the significance or importance, why should this company be treated any different than any of the other appliance manufactures on Wikipedia? Deleting this page broke links on at least two other pages. For example List of major home appliance manufacturers. Nyth83 (talk) 12:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
BTW, did you also review my article Metal Ware Corporation? Nyth83 (talk) 13:04, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Posted the new article for Peerless-Premier Appliance Company. I hope that it can pass the relevancy test this time! LOL. Couldn't find much recent history on-line as the local newspaper for Belleville does not seem to have any on-line archives anywhere. It's not realistic for me to travel to Belleville to do the searching.Nyth83 (talk) 02:43, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Vollrath - Rename?[edit]

I would like your opinion on the article Vollrath created by Hilarydanger (who's userpage is non-existant).

I have started researching and updating this article with references, but it just now occurred to me to that this article name is wrong. Should it not be named 'The Vollrath Company' since that appears to be the official company name?

I have not done a comparison, it appears that some of the article may have come from the web page:

I wouldn't want to see the article deleted for copyright reasons before I have a chance to clean it up.Nyth83 (talk) 22:56, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I'd assume "Vollrath" would be the WP:COMMONNAME and thus the correct article title. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:10, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Hmm. I used to live in Sheboygan and I always heard it called The Vollrath Company. But what you really should do is look at all of the sources that you are finding and see what is commonly used - per WP:COMMONNAME. Thanks Bushranger. Royalbroil 23:59, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and if the article appears to be stole from the company's website, then the proper thing to do is to edit / reword the article until it's not a copyright violation / plagiarism. It don't need to be deleted as long as someone addresses the issue rather quickly. Royalbroil 00:24, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

At what point can we remove the 'refimprove|date=February 2011' tag from The Vollrath Company article? There are 12 references already and I will probably be adding at least another dozen before I am done. Also what do you think of the table I added at the end of the article?Nyth83 (talk) 18:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Episcopal Diocese of Fond du Lac[edit]

Hi-the Episcopal Diocese of Fond du Lac elected a new bishop Matthew Alan Gunter last fall. He is to be ordained a bishop in late April 2014 and I am waiting on that before I started the article. The Episcopal Church has a procedure to approve their bishops. Thanks-RFD (talk) 20:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

NASCAR Barnstar[edit]

Hello, I noticed that you created an award for editors who contribute to WP:WikiProject NASCAR. I created a NASCAR specific Barnstar, just for that reason. I wanted to come to you just out of respect and not to seem like I'm infringing on anything. If you'd like, I'll let you have this barnstar to use to replace your award. If you don't like it, I'll put it to the side.

I wanted to come and ask your permission/get your blessing before I took it upon myself. As I said I didn't want to step on any toes, and wanted to clear it with you before I go any further.

NASCAR star.png

Here is what the potential NASCAR Barnstar looks like.


Vjmlhds (talk) 23:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate that you asked. Looks like a copyright infringement on NASCAR's logo to me, (speaking as an admin, not as the barnstar creator). I hope that User:The Bushranger sees my comment and gives a second opinion. Royalbroil 00:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I'd personally say it's probably an infringement - but I'm pretty sure I remember seeing some NASCAR-logo images tagged as "no copyright due to being a simple letter-pattern combination" in the past... - The Bushranger One ping only 00:19, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
If you look, you'll see I went to plan "B". And if you're a NASCAR fan, you know what that number means. Vjmlhds (talk) 00:41, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't like how this version promotes a certain driver. He did have haters. Backing things up, I'm okay with changing the NASCAR barnstar. This should be discussed at WikiProject NASCAR to get consensus. Royalbroil 00:43, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I did just that...I proposed making it the barnstar for the project, and went to the talk page to get the ball rolling.. Vjmlhds (talk) 00:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I think we may be talking to ourselves on the WikiProject page. Vjmlhds (talk) 02:05, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


Stop icon with clock
You have been blocked temporarily and placed on probation until April 2 and fined $50,000 to help pay for my RFA for failing post-race inspection. Also, your driver has been blocked for driving the car that's too low. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions, like not lowering your car's height. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

Under the NASCAR rulebook, all cars must be of approved height to ensure that your driver will not win a race.

NFLisAwesome (ZappaOMati's alternate account) 20:53, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Nice April Fool's joke. It was my first of the day. Better watch out on the track for the payback Royalbroil 23:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Skidmore, Michigan[edit]

Hi-Do you have any photos of Skidmore, Michigan? I came across the community in the Iron Mountain micropolitan area article-it was a redlink for Skidmore, Michigan and I started an article. Also an update about Episcopalian bishop-elect of the Fond du Lac Diocese Matthew Alan Gunter; he will be ordained a bishop on Saturday April 26 in Appleton, Wisconsin. Once he is ordained bishop, I will start the article. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 16:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't have photos of the community and good luck on the article! Royalbroil 21:48, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon in Madison[edit]

Madison Public Library interior (9913742865).jpg

I know you work on Wisconsin stuff, so if you're interested, I wanted to invite you to a humanities edit-a-thon in the Madison Public Library on Friday, April 25th (1:30–3:30). It'll be on the shorter side and is aimed at new editors, but I hope to see you there. More information is available on the 2014 UW Conference on the Public Humanities website. Let me know if you have any questions czar  16:18, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation! I work on weekdays so I can't make it. Also, I live almost two hours away. Feel free to keep inviting me though! Royalbroil 01:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Will do. Know anyone else I should tell? czar  03:28, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
I think that User:Woohookitty is from the Madison area. Perhaps s/he is interested?? Royalbroil 03:53, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

notable question[edit]

I was hoping I could get your advice about something since you've assisted me in the past. What would I have to do to make The Sheboygan Daily notable for a creation of a Wikipedia article? Asher Heimermann (talk) 00:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

First, you are topic banned on Sheboygan articles especially the Sheboygan Daily. I shouldn't even answer your question but I will. If someone else would want to work on the article, they would need several reliable sources with no relation to the newspaper to write articles on the newspaper. Since Wikipedians apparently felt like this article was spammy, LOTS of reliable sources would be needed. I've seen people argue to delete an article in the presence of up to 7 different reliable sources. Good luck except if you can convince the New York Times to write about it. I looked back at the history of what was written in the article and it had no sources whatsoever.
If you own or work / help out at the Sheboygan Daily, you could keep that image up for deletion on your talk page by proving that you have given permission on the image by restoring a valid free-use permission here.
Don't work on the article about The Sheboygan Daily or I'm certain that someone will give you a PERMANENT block. Royalbroil 02:07, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Date formats[edit]

Please explain why you needed to change the date formats in my references. The issue of whether he is an American or not does not seem to be something mentioned in the manual of style regarding date formats. [[1]]. In fact there does not seem to be any preference given at all. I am aware that there is an article Date format by country, but that only seems be only relevant in the context of colloquial usage. I do a lot of genealogy research and the standard among american usage there has fallen to dd-mmm-yyyy. Unless you can give me a reference documenting that using the dd-mmm-yyyy format is wrong for based on the country of the subject matter, I will revert your edits. Note that wiki auto signature also uses a day first format even though I am in the US: Nyth83 (talk) 03:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Articles on American subjects, that are not on military topics, use "month, day, year" dating format. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Please document this assertion. Nyth83 (talk) 12:33, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Retaining existing format Nyth83 (talk) 12:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker)(edit conflict) ... a reference documenting that using the dd-mmm-yyyy format is wrong for based on the country of the subject matter ... Strong national ties to a topic is likely what you're looking for, which says the American preference is mdy. Also the MOS:DATE#Date_formats you linked says that 21 Apr 1858 is only preferred over 21 April 1858 where brevity is necessary. I'd use the latter in an infobox. Hope that helps czar  03:25, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflicts) Thanks, you both beat me to it. I strongly disagree that DD-MM-YYYY format has become standard in the US. I only see it in military use. The date before the month is done in everyone's signature regardless of what country that they come from. I wouldn't use the abbreviation in an infobox either. Royalbroil 03:29, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I only meant in context of genealogy research that DD-MMM-YYYY appears to be defacto standard. I have still not seen a RULE that you MUST us the M-D-Y format in certain circumstances. Nyth83 (talk) 12:12, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Strong national ties to a topic: "Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the more common date format for that nation. For the United States, this is month before day ..." And as in your original Manual of Style link, we tend not to use formats with dashes. That MOS page shows the preferred date formats, which don't include dd-mmm-yyyy, although there are alternatives. czar  12:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
That MOS page DOES include dd-mmm-yyyy. First thing in the table. With an example 22 August 2001 no less. Nyth83 (talk) 13:46, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) And as for another rule, that would be that the consensus of editors is for American topics to use mdy. - The Bushranger One ping only 13:12, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
A consensus could mean that everyone agrees to be wrong. (laughing) Nyth83 (talk) 13:46, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps, but it's still WP:CONSENSUS. - The Bushranger One ping only 13:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Name changes[edit]

Could you explain this comment: 'no cleanup is necessary, would suggestion linking the newspaper sources to the The Herald Times Reporter since that's what happened to these newspapers'? I am not sure what 'linking' you are referring to. The Herald Times does not seem to have an on-line archive that goes back very far. The Newspaper Archive site I am finding these articles on is not a free site so I don't think that I should be linking to them. Also, all of the the stories are indexed to the orginal papers' title as Manitowoc Herald Times, so changing the name to The Herald Times Reporter would be obfuscating, wouldn't it? Nyth83 (talk) 12:19, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Linking to the actual article is usually helpful, but I think this edit summary meant that the Manitowoc Herald-News (1918–1932) became the Manitowoc Herald-Times (1932–1972) became the Herald-Times-Reporter (1973–) (source), so that the Manitowoc Herald News publisher links in the citations can link to The Herald Times Reporter as [[The Herald Times Reporter|Manitowoc Herald News]]. Alternatively, you can make a redirect handle the piped link. (That is, unless the Herald News was not actually subsumed into the Herald Times Reporter.) czar  12:44, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, czar, for explaining in detail exactly what I meant in that edit summary. Edit summaries are summaries intended to be not wordy. We put wikilinks to newspapers in references to show that the reference is from a WP:reliable source. Wikilinks from an old newspaper that was merged is optional but preferable to show the reliability of the source. You had requested that another editor review the article for possible cleanup. I saw the article in new Wisconsin articles and suggested that it needed no cleanup. I put what was intended to be a helpful tip in the edit summary on how the article might be improved. Royalbroil 03:30, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


You can take a listen to the new album on iTunes Radio.HotHat (talk) 04:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Andrew Stone (soccer)[edit]

An article you contributed to the AFD of at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Stone (footballer) has been taken to DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion review#Andrew Stone (soccer) by the closing admin User:Spartaz after he declined to undelete it following Andrew Stone's first professional start on Saturday. I'm notifying you in case you want to participate in the DRV discussion. Nfitz (talk) 22:12, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Marie Christine Kohler -Waelderhaus[edit]

The link you added does not work.,Ro:0,N:4294963828-4294955414&dsNavOnly=Ntk:All%7C It seems that the state historical society broke their site. Nyth83 (talk) 23:08, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you help me with another problem? I did not find it before, but a google search turned up a stub on wikipedia Marie Kohler. There is some info in the page that should be copied to the new article Marie Christine Kohler and then it should be deleted. I will copy the info over but I do not know how to delete the article. Nyth83 (talk) 23:51, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I copied the text from the stub to talk:Marie Christine Kohler. Can help me delete the stub? Nyth83 (talk) 23:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
or maybe the article can be re-purposed for She seems like she may pass the notability test and she is from Wisconsin. I may be mistaken, but I think that she may also be a daughter of Herb Kohler and should be in Kohler family of Wisconsin. Nyth83 (talk) 00:05, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
OK, here's the answer Her father is John Michael Kohler III. Let's re-write the article to the younger Marie.Nyth83 (talk) 00:10, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm on a horse. I updated Kohler family of Wisconsin and started the rewrite for Marie Kohler so never mind on the deletion. How do you note a disambiguation/see also or something on each respective page to the other page? Nyth83 (talk) 00:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
The link's problem is that I can't link to it from within Wikipedia because the URL uses characters with other meanings to the Wikipedia framework. The exact link is:,Ro:0,N:4294963828-4294955414&dsNavOnly=Ntk:All||3|%2c&dsRecordDetails=R:IM35879&dsDimensionSearch=D:marie+kohler,Dxm:All,Dxp:3&dsCompoundDimensionSearch=D:marie+kohler,Dxm:All,Dxp:3 . I wanted a link to something on her from a second source since it only had local newspaper coverage which is a yellow flag for notability. Having a source about her from the state historical society carries much more weight in a deletion discussion. When there's 2 articles with the same topic, then one gets redirected to the other. To answer your last question, you now want a hatnote. I don't follow exactly what happened with the Marie Kohler article, but if you repurposed the title for a different person, then you should do a dummy edit to the article with an edit summary about merging the article into the new article name (along with a wikilink to the new article). Royalbroil 02:06, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, can you review these two articles Marie Christine Kohler and Marie Kohler? I am still adding references to both of them but the writing is pretty fleshed out. Nyth83 (talk) 01:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Both are well written and I liked them. My only comment is to reiterate having more non-local sources on the Marie Christine Kohler article. Royalbroil 15:55, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
On the new pages feed, the article Marie Christine Kohler is still being listed as unreviewed. Also, just created an article for the Waelderhaus and it is waiting for review. Nyth83 (talk) 01:30, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
You don't need to list every new article for a review. I think you know what you're doing. Certainly you don't need "me" to review every article. My discretionary time is very limited and I can't even keep up on uploading the images that I take for Wikipedia. I have hundreds to upload dating back a year. But I looked anyhow. On Waelderhaus, why are you using a fair use image? No one uses fair use images for a building - they usually just skip the image. I don't know if it's prohibited but I'm guessing that it's frowned upon. Otherwise, how about you just take a picture (if you're from the area), or you can ask someone from the Sheboygan area like User:Mrschimpf or me (I used to live in the area and I get back maybe once a year)? Otherwise the articles look good. Royalbroil 03:22, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
OK maybe I am just not understanding what it means to be unreviewed. When I go to the page page /wiki/Special
NewPagesFeed, and filter by user:Nyth83, it lists three page for me and the two I referenced above are still flagged as unreviewed. Is this something that I can ignore? Also, about the photo. I felt that I needed a photo here to show the building style. I live north of Madison and it is a 1.5.hour drive to Kohler. I have a brother living is Sheboygan falls so I suppose I could ask him to take some photos for me. Thanks for looking. Nyth83 (talk) 16:03, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I was wondering what you were talking about. That page is the new pages patrol which is designed to allow people with some experience to monitor the newly created pages to eliminate vandalism / garbage [2]! It's not a big deal at all when the contributor has good intentions like you do! Royalbroil 01:58, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Georgia Benkart[edit]

Would you please help me by identifying the weasel works in the Georgia Benkart article. Thanks. (Mvitulli (talk) 20:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC))

I have replied with a sample on the article's talk page. Thanks for asking. Royalbroil 12:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Deletion debates[edit]

I just nominated four MercyMe albums, one David Crowder Band album, and one Chris Tomlin album for deletion. These are the independent ones with little to no coverage.HotHat (talk) 05:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

On that original Ryan Sieg photo[edit]

Per your edit summary comment here - it appears these were "company photos" for the sponsor, and Pull-A-Part was (remarkably!) kind enough to release them on its official Flickr under CC-BY. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for checking into it. That is remarkable! Royalbroil 15:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Bridgeport (community), Wisconsin-photos[edit]

Hi-Do you have have any photos about Bridgeport (community), Wisconsin? Bridgeport is an unincorporated community in Crawford County near Prairie du Chien on the Wisconsin River. The community is on Wisconsin Highway 35. Thanks-RFD (talk) 11:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Nope, I didn't photograph it when I drove through in October 2009. Royalbroil 02:23, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Jean Larivière[edit]

I prodded that article having checked for notability, and everything I could find was related to the guy's death at Le Mans in 1951. There was a discussion about the notability of Le Mans drivers here, and it didn't get anywhere. Larivière doesn't appear to have done anything else of note, and I think he fails WP:GNG. The article was only started because the editor that started it is obsessed with decapitation. Partly in an attempt to discourage his sick edits and partly because the subject isn't notable, I suggest merging it with 1951 24 Hours of Le Mans. Thoughts? Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:31, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that the author is obsessed with decapitation in racing and I'm not impressed. How about you do a full deletion discussion and see what the community thinks? I didn't like that it was a prod and thought it should be a full discussion. I'm sitting on the fence about the discussion about Le Mans drivers being notable and that's why I didn't comment. Thanks for asking! Royalbroil 15:41, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
OK, I've listed it at AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean Larivière), so let's see what people think. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:02, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Alien abduction insurance[edit]

Ambox warning yellow.svg

The article Alien abduction insurance has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Reads like an advert, non notable

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. R3ap3R (talk) 21:51, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

PROD has already been removed, and most of the over-tagging too. Meters (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

South/East places[edit]

Usually, they are separate towns; e.g., Kingston, New Hampshire is a different municipality than East Kingston, New Hampshire; Burlington, Vermont is separate from South Burlington, Vermont. Neutralitytalk 03:07, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

York, Wisconsin disambiguation page[edit]

Hi-The York, Wisconsin disambiguation page was redirected to the main York disambiguation page. There were 5 different communities named York on the York, Wisconsin disambiguation page. Should this be reversed. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 14:43, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Announcing: NRHP Fall Photo Contest![edit]

The WP:NRHP Fall 2014 Photo Contest will kick off at midnight eastern time on Monday September 1! This is an opportunity for all folks with a camera (or a sketchpad and scanner, doncha know) and an interest in the National Register of Historic Places to just have some low-key fun and maybe get some barnstars. Come submit some photos or pose a challenge to your fellow editors. And maybe, just maybe, along the line we'll improve the encyclopedia... (Note that while this contest is intentionally concurrent with Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 and the Wikipedia Summer of Monuments, there ain't gonna be no cash prizes or press releases here. But compete in 'em all if you like - we won't be jealous.) — Ipoellet (talk) 22:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)


I'm unsure why my photos and videos were deleted and I'm currently awaiting that answer from the individual who set that in motion. As the PR director for the series, those are my photos and videos so copyright shouldn't be an issue. While it's appreciated that you provide content for the page, why keep putting older photos up? That video is five years old and of poor quality and none of the current photos you added are from this year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skippy05 (talkcontribs) 17:32, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Something is 1000x better than nothing for all of the above questions. These are all current drivers in the series and they look attractive - at least semi-pro to pro level (lots of images on Wikipedia are amateur level). On articles for other racing series, we normally have somewhat dated photos to show the history. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a current events place like a newspaper. I'm working right now on my photographs from Crandon that are only a few weeks old so expect them to show up soon. To show my good faith and to answer a question that you should have asked me, you can provide the proof that we need on your images by going here. Royalbroil 02:57, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


Could you look at my update for Riverbend (estate)? I expanded it because it had been tagged as a stub. Do you know if there is a chance of getting any new pictures? Nyth83 (talk) 16:17, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the additions. I highly doubt that a new exterior picture could be legally taken since it's not visible from the road as it is so far back off the road. The building is private property and the owners are very strict about keeping their privacy. That's why I photographed the gate. Royalbroil 01:09, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
That's what I fugured. There are all kinds of photos all over the internet, even Flikr, but nothing with a CC or any other free license. Maybe I will have to start sending out emails asking for a free photo. Do you think there will be any problems with the two fair use images I put up? I have sent an email to the Kohler Arts Center asking about a good image of the painting by Charlotte but that's a better subject for a different article. Nyth83 (talk) 10:22, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


I just published the new article at Windway. Are you clear enough on Fair Use to give me some advise? I have found a number of photos of the house, including flickr, but nothing with a CC or any other free licence. I would like to borrow images from this Google book or from the State Historical Society but I don't want to worry about someone deleting my images. I think I got away with it on Riverbend and this in pretty much the same situation being private property not visible from the road. Nyth83 (talk) 22:48, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Non-free content. It's very iffy to use fair use images of a house since most people would expect that there's a chance that a free image could be taken. There's a good chance that these will be deleted. Definitely use an absolute minimum number of images. I personally never touch fair use images. I'd rather see nothing than spend time on an image that might be deleted. Royalbroil 02:05, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I used the justication that the house has been changed and that a new free photo would not show the original configuration of the house as constructed. We will wait and see if anything happens. I will try to contact a couple of the users on flikr and see if they would change the license on any of their photos. Nyth83 (talk) 02:35, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Just be sure in your mind that they took the images themselves and that they weren't trespassing when they took the images. Royalbroil 08:28, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

NRHP 2014 photo contest - Winner![edit]

Barnstar-camera.png HistoricPlacesNationalRegisterPlaque.JPG <font=3> National Register of Historic Places Photo Barnstar given with respect and admiration to Royalbroil for:
the two most distant photos (2,671 miles!) as part of the Wikiproject:NRHP Fall 2014 Photo Contest (Challenge #3 - Interstate Traveler).
— Ipoellet (talk) 23:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

NRHP 2014 photo contest - Winner![edit]

Barnstar-camera.png HistoricPlacesNationalRegisterPlaque.JPG <font=3> National Register of Historic Places Photo Barnstar given with respect and admiration to Royalbroil for:
the two most distant photos in a single state (292 miles in Wisconsin!) as part of the Wikiproject:NRHP Fall 2014 Photo Contest (Challenge #4 - State Traveler).
— Ipoellet (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

NRHP 2014 photo contest - Winner![edit]

Barnstar-camera.png HistoricPlacesNationalRegisterPlaque.JPG <font=3> National Register of Historic Places Photo Barnstar given with respect and admiration to Royalbroil for:
the most unusual type of listing as part of the Wikiproject:NRHP Fall 2014 Photo Contest (Challenge #7 - Most Unusual Type of Listing).
—  TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 01:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

NRHP 2014 photo contest - Scavenger Hunt Winner![edit]

Barnstar-camera.png HistoricPlacesNationalRegisterPlaque.JPG <font=3> National Register of Historic Places Photo Barnstar given with respect and admiration to RoyalBroil for:
the scavenger hunt as part of the Wikiproject:NRHP Fall 2014 Photo Contest (Challenge #6 - Scavenger Hunt).
—  Smallbones(smalltalk) 02:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Heritage Hill[edit]

We have added a structures table in the wiki article at Heritage Hill State Historical Park. Do you have any more images from your visit in June that you can upload to commons? Be nice to replace the winter photos and finish filling the table. Nyth83 (talk) 12:57, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

That's an excellent contribution! I have photographed most of the buildings on my earlier trip in the winter but I do have a bunch more that I could upload from June 2014. Do you have an online source that you used to create this list? Please add it as the source for the list. I don't remember which building for some of these images and I'd like to be able to look them up by location. Thanks! Royalbroil 10:58, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
If you click on the coordinates it will show you the exact location for EACH building. The list was compiled from a combination of combing the official website and also searching for Heritage Hill on the Wisconsin Historical Society's site. There are source/references in the notes column for almost all of the buildings. Another source was my memory as I have been visited this park five or six times since 1977. Also I used the park map from their site. I was wondering if we should add the visitors center and the maintenance buildings also as they seem to be the only ones missing. I also have not been able to find out the construction date for the Tank Barn. I see on the map that it contains restrooms so I assume that it is a modern replica but Foundation doesn't even mention it on their site. I am not sure what in my wanderings led me to the article but it was a pretty sad little stub. Nyth83 (talk) 12:21, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the link. I would add every building even the maintenance buildings. It's analogous to the Bar U Ranch; the Canadian government listed pretty much every building on their registry - even an outhouse! I have nice shots of the visitor center exterior to improve on the current image. I'll have to be creative with people on some of the images. In June, I crossed under Hwy 57 and photographed everything in the La Baye area. Royalbroil 13:00, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
We need to add the courthouse monument also. Any photo is better none. Summer is better than winter. No people is better than winter. Are you thinking about editing people out or blurring faces? There is also an outhouse listed here in this table LOL. It's on the farm behind the summer kitchen. Watch ID's of the FH Kitchen and officers quarters. The building with one chimney is the NRHP building and the structure with two chimneys is the replica. There is a note about the name change in the table. I had to change the photo on the Brown county NRHP List and add a clarifying note there also. Also would appreciate If you could double check all my coordinate links for accuracy. Nyth83 (talk) 14:05, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I do have a photo of the courthouse monument. We have to be careful about uploading pictures of monuments if there's a shred of artistic done - but this is just a pile of building blocks so shouldn't be consider creative. Commons is very strict about not uploading artwork. I was hoping to edit out the people - especially in the outhouse photograph. Royalbroil 02:15, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I did get a reply from Heritage Hill about the Officers Quarters and they confirmed my guess about the name change. I had already updated the notes on the HH article and the Brown County NRHP article. I noticed that they list their Sugaring Cabin as dating from the early 80s and I inquired if perhaps it was build from material from the Wade House Cabin. I pointed out the them that they do not have any info about the Tank Barn on their web site. I also sent a message to the WHS about the disposition of the the Sugaring Cabin from Wade house. I am not sure what you mean by "entrance building". Nyth83 (talk) 02:44, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I found it [3]. The "Entrance building" is actually the guard house. It is a "new" building under construction in June at the east side the Fort Howard section that's not on the map yet. It was under relocation from another site. I will be the entrance to the Fort Howard section. I added it to the list of structures along with a construction image. Royalbroil 03:14, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Looks like the Guard House is half original 1800s structure and half recreation. I sent a message to Emily, the Curator of History, if she can give us an approximate build year for the original half. I just found their youtube channel also. They have one video so far and it is about the guard house. I see that some of the local Green Bay TV stations have also posted videos about Heritage Hill. Here is a good one about the guard house Heritage Hill adds Fort Howard guardhouse from the Press-Gazette Nyth83 (talk) 11:38, 28 October 2014 (UTC) Addendum Just found another older youtube channel at HeritageHill1's channel Nyth83 (talk) 11:48, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

What is the small building next to the Tank house? Is it another summer kitchen? I don't remember anymore from my tour of the house. I have a nice picture of it but none of the barn (which is now used as a bathroom so I didn't photograph). I've made significant progress on the images. Royalbroil 03:22, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Got the images all up. The summer photograph of the town hall is equal the winter and the Baird Law office is much worse (shrubs block too much of the building). I don't have photographs of the rest (except the tank building above). Check out the geograph of the coordinates - looks like Fort Howard Officer's Quarters one is wrong. You can remove it if you really don't like it but I'd prefer to keep it. Royalbroil 04:19, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Wow! That is very impressive! I will try to get the rest in the next couple of weeks. I will try to stop in on a weekday since they do not appear to be open on weekends this time of year. Do you think I should get any new photos of any other buildings to replace any of the remaining winter ones? I would like to stop in and speak with the Curator of History while I am there anyway. I corrected the coords for the OQ. Did you get a chance to check all of them? Can you approximate coordinates for the new Guard House? I can't tell from the photo where it is located in the park. Nyth83 (talk) 11:49, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I added the coordinates for the guard building. I hope that you can get photographs of its progress. They were painting old boards back in June. The Baird Law Office image looks very good to me - it looks nice enough that it has already appeared on the main page when its article was on DYK. The Cotton house image would be improved without the white snow to (not) contrast the white house. I like the snow contrasting the Print Shop, but you can try to improve it if you want along with the rest. I looked over the coordinates when I added the geograph template and the rest look right to me. Royalbroil 01:02, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
I love that GeoGroup template! How do you find this stuff? I still feel like such a noob sometimes. I did notice that the coordinates for the Law Office were wrong and I fixed that by transposing '65' to '56'. I tried the template out on the table at National Register of Historic Places listings in Brown County, Wisconsin and I noticed that on that page it populates the list with the names of the structures but from this page it is just giving numbers. I looked at the templete documentation and don't see an explanation for that. I tried splitting the structure name and coordinates into separate columns and then from the edit preview the link still only showed numbers. I did not save the edit as I am going to experiment with it at Wade House to see if I can figure out what needs to be fixed. Nyth83 (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
I went through and and added the 'name=' parameter but I see the note: As pages are cached at Google and Bing, it is normal for the new template not to appear for several hours. so I will have to see if the change takes place later.
I got the geogroup template from the Brown County NRHP list. It helps if you can remember some of the unusual tricks that you see other people use here. Royalbroil 01:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I pick up most things that way too. The list appears to populate correctly now whit the name labels added. I got an e-mail back from Emily and added the original build date and a note about where it came from based on her reply. This is not a published letter but they do have it in their archives so I hope that this is not skating on the edge of original research. Nyth83 (talk) 14:49, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
It's over the edge and well into original research. Royalbroil 01:20, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Wade House Historic Site[edit]

Just created this new article Wade House Historic Site. Still kind of a stub. Also still trying to figure out the sugaring cabin thing. There is a Architecture and History Inventory listing and mentions of it newspaper articles from the 1950's but I can't seem to find any contemporary information about it. It is not mentioned on the official web site, there don't seem to be any photos of it, and I don't recall seeing it when I was there this summer. It's almost like it disappeared. Did you happen to take a photo of it when you were there in 2012?

Bummer, I just drove past it yesterday and was trying to understand about the new visitor center. I could have taken pics had I known. Actually drove past it on the previous Sunday while checking out the fall foliage. I probably won't go past it for a long time. The coordinates for the butternut cafe is wrong - copied from Heritage Hill. Royalbroil 12:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
That is a bummer. I thought that I had taken some photos of the new visitors center whet I was there in May, but all I can find are few photos of wagons. Nuts. I fixed the coordinates for the cafe. Did you have any photos of the cafe building? I also see that there is a detached structre behind the Butternut House and was wandering if that should be listed as well as the maintenace building for the sake of completeness. Don't remember if there are any outhouse either, lol. I am pretty sure that you won't find any photos of the sugaring cabin. My searching leads me to believe that it was located about here: 43°46′40″N 88°05′06″W / 43.777845°N 88.085128°W / 43.777845; -88.085128. My guess is that it got moved when they re-routed the Mullett river around the dam and mill pond. Still don't know were it went or when. Maybe I will have to send a query to the WHS.
BTW, my visit in May this year was only my second visit to the park. My first visit was about 40 years previous and I don't remember many specific details from that trip as I was in about 6th grade on a school trip. I may be making a trip to the Sheboygan area in the near future so I would be going past the Park and will try to remember to stop and take a few photos. I may also be going to Green Bay soon and if you give me a short list of buildings you don't have at Heritage Hill, I will try to get some of those also. Nyth83 (talk) 13:42, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't answer your question. I don't know what happened with the sugaring cabin. But I do remember that when I visited the sawmill, they said that the mill was just redone and that they had to divert the Mullet River for the new Mill location. For the new visitor center, you enter off from hwy 23. I would list all of the buildings even the maintenance building, outhouse (lol), etc. I have a lot more Heritage Hill pics to review yet. I'll do the June 2014 pics then start with December 2010. I suspect that I have almost all of the buildings. I'll let you know. In June, they were relocating another entrance building to the Fort Howard section and I have pictures of it. Royalbroil 01:32, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Had a chance to stop by today and take a few photos and upload them. I got the rest of the structures except the maintenance building as I did not have time to make the walk all the way from the parking lot. I also replaced the fair use image at Waelderhaus and the fair use logo on The Vollrath Company
You don't need to mark your articles as new unreviewed articles anymore. They look fine at the first draft. Nice job on the Wade House images. the Waelderhaus image looks very nice too! But uploading a photograph of a company's sign to represent their logo is not okay. That's why a fair use logo was uploaded. It's actually a derivative of their logo, see here. Their logo is extremely simple so an argument could be made that it's just basic geometric shapes plus non-copyrightable letters. I still think that you're treading in dangerous waters. Royalbroil 04:44, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
That review tag was added automatically when I moved the the article from my userspace draft. Should I just delete the tag when it appears? I am confused about the fair use image thing. I get told that I should avoid using a fair use image for one usage (Waelderhaus) and now you are telling me that a fair use image is preferable for the other (Vollrath)? I briefly skimmed the Derivative works article you linked and that is not the least but confusing. (sarcasm). I will have to take more time to read it later. I took the photo of the sign and uploaded it thinking that it is better to avoid using a fair use image when a free one would work. I am the one who originally created the fair use logo so it does not matter much to me which one get used. You can switch it back if you think that is better because it not a derivative work of a copy-written sign. Nyth83 (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The article does not mention signs anywhere but there is a question about cars and a exception statement about a useful article so would not a sign be in a similar situation as a car? Nyth83 (talk) 15:16, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about the slow responses. Fair use exists for items that you can't legally photograph, like a logo. Logos are tricky but they're often considered artistic works (thus derivative applies) if there's anything more than basic shapes and letters. Here's a Commons deletion discussion that I was involved on that very topic. The image in question on that discussion had a small graphic of a bird and looked like this image. People can legally photograph buildings in the US and Canada (but not some other countries). So fair use don't apply to buildings in the US. You should never upload a fair use image when a free image is possible. But when it's illegal, then a fair use image can be used (but I personally avoid fair use images). The derivative occurred since you don't own copyright to the logo. The copyright for the logo is owned by the company and that has nothing to do with who photographed their sign. About the drafts, would you provide a link to the page or template that you're using to create it? You can link to a template in this format [[:Template:templateName]]. Whatever mechanicism that you're using is designed for newbies and I think that you shouldn't need to be reviewed anymore. Royalbroil 13:57, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

David Bakhtiari[edit]

Hello RoyalBroil, I'm not sure if you remember me but I've been working on expanding as many articles as I can on Packers Players to DYK status. I remember you saying you weren't that far from Green Bay but was wondering if the next time you were in that area you could get a better picture of left tackle David Bakhtiari (Which is awaiting DYK review, by the way.) because to be honest, the one on there isn't the greatest. Thanks!--Church Talk 17:51, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I can't just drive to Green Bay and photograph him like I would for a building. It would have to be at a game. I went to the Pittsburgh game back in December 2013 and my best photo of him was equal to that one. It was a snowy game and I wasn't able to bring my good camera because cameras needed to be incapable of recording videos. Royalbroil 01:21, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I thought the Packers had part of their practices open to the Public. That must just be training camp.--Church Talk 01:33, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Right, just training camp. I've never taken off of work to go to it yet. Royalbroil 02:21, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Not gonna lie, It's on my bucket list to visit Lambeau Field. I've been a die hard Packers fan all of my life, I'm an owner and one of my most prized possessions is a helmet signed by Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. It sits on my desk and is what keeps me going when I get frustrated expanding articles :p.--Church Talk 02:49, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

AFD deletion[edit]

I heard my article, "Legend Racing Deaths" is getting deleted. But it's not violating any copyrights or is off topic. This article shouldn't be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesomebroboy1 (talkcontribs) 21:22, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

You're referring to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Legend racing deaths. I nominated it for deletion because of the word "legend". Deciding who was a legend is your opinion which fails WP:NPOV. If you were to take out the opinion about who is a legend then what you'd have left is Driver deaths in motorsport. I didn't see any problems with copyright. Royalbroil 04:25, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Lauren Daigle[edit]

If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.

You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.

A tag has been placed on Lauren Daigle requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Krystaleen 04:29, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Trouble making articles[edit]

Hi. I need some help. All of my articles I've made have been reported of a speedy deletion, and I'm having a hard time creating a good article. I could use your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesomebroboy1 (talkcontribs)

Thank you for the advice[edit]

I'll follow these steps. Thank you! :)

Wisconsin Dictionary of History[edit]

Some good news-the Wisconsin Dictionary of History is back on line. I had sent an e-mail asking that it be put back on line. The dictionary ws taken off when the Wisconsin Historical Society redid the website. I also suggested having a website about Wisconsin Legislators Past and Present. The Minnesota Research Library has a Minnesota Legislators Past and Present link and it is excellent! How are you doing? RFD (talk) 21:51, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I am doing well, Merry Christmas to you! How are you doing and how is your health? Do you have a link to the Wisconsin Dictionary of History? Royalbroil 01:04, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Fond Du Lac C&NW Depot[edit]

The Flambeau 400 and Peninsula 400 ended service in 1971, the same year Amtrak was established. I know the C&NW and a lot of other Midwestern railroads ran some trains beyond those year, but what trains stopped at Fond Du Lac between 1971 and 1975? -------User:DanTD (talk) 12:49, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Good question. An area museum should be reliable enough to be a source on the train traffic. The train probably traveled north through Oshkosh after it left Fond du Lac (and the orientation of the station supports this guess). Royalbroil 13:14, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Take a look[edit]

Will you take a look at my recent edits please? Your assistance would be helpful. Asher Heimermann (talk) 00:32, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Opinion on images[edit]

Do you think it would be acceptable for me to take pictures of Wisconsin towns and villages and post them to their respected Wikipedia pages if the pictures include snow? Asher Heimermann (talk) 23:58, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

If you haven't seen any by now, I uploaded a few images today that I took today. Two of the Armory, two of the Mirro, one of Lincoln High School in Manitowoc, one Cleveland, ect. Asher Heimermann (talk) 03:49, 24 January 2015 (UTC)


I've been updating the Sheboygan Armory article for the past hour adding information I can find from archives. How do you think I'm doing so far? Asher Heimermann (talk) 04:01, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

It's critical that you cite from SOLID reliable sources for everything that you do, down to the sentence level. Otherwise someone will go through the article and might remove all of it. On the big scheme of things, that building is by far the most notable for hosting NBA basketball games - so I would concentrate that aspect. Other notable events, like you wrote, are important too. Royalbroil 04:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Old newspaper articles from The Press are no longer available online so I can only cite the information I have from the paper version. Hopefully that will do. Asher Heimermann (talk) 04:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that's fine! You can use {{Cite news}}. I hope you know the trick about naming a newspaper article that you want to use multiple times then use repeat the name! Royalbroil 04:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Please help stop a spammer[edit]

You seem to have some influence over Asher Heimermann. Could you please tell that character to stop spamming the Milwaukee Police Department article with his website ([4], [5], [6]) and to stop falsely claiming that it's the official MPD website? Thanks for your help. (talk) 00:53, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

The above user has a history of undoing my edits and is very interested in following my edits on Wikipedia, in fact, most of the user's edits are in regards to mine using several IP addresses. To the point, is an official Milwaukee Police Department website as such, it's registered to the Milwaukee Police Department. Here is a recent news article regarding the website. Why does the above user believe the website is mine and I'm a spammer? Asher Heimermann (talk) 00:59, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I did a half dozen Whois searches and not a single one showed the website as being owned by the MPD. It also looks pretty spammy. In any case, if it does belong to the MPD, it's a secondary site, and not the one to be used by WP. WP always uses the main official website. Yes, I do watch editors with long histories of making screwy edits. And replacing an official website with a news site is a screwy edit. (talk) 01:10, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
The above user is so considered with my editors and "editors with long histories of making screwy edits" but yet, the user does not have a Wikipedia account. The website,, is an official website of the Milwaukee Police Department. Asher Heimermann (talk) 01:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Per this page on the City of Milwaukee website, is the official website for the MPD. So I'd keep both sites if it were up to me (I haven't argued for external links on multiple websites for a long time). If I had to choose one, then I'd select The proper place to decide this issue isn't for you two to run to an admin. It should be discussed at Talk:Milwaukee Police Department and you both should know this by now. Then if you can't get consensus, you can follow the 2 WikiProjects and mention it to WikiProject Wisconsin and WikiProject Law Enforcement. Royalbroil 04:40, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Royalbroil. Asher Heimermann (talk) 05:00, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

New articles needed?[edit]

I went out and around Sheboygan today (Monday) and took some pictures of North High, Town of Sheboygan, Lutheran High, Memorial Mall, Deer Trace and Christian High. I also created Mead Public Library which needs some help and Plaza 8 since there is so much rich history with it, the downtown and the City Center project. I also created Sheboygan Falls High School . Do you think there are any Sheboygan articles that need to be created? Have I improved at all in recent years editing? Asher Heimermann (talk) 03:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

You could write / expand articles from the National Register of Historic Places listings in Sheboygan County, Wisconsin. Please try to go as deep as possible and don't skim the surface with a quick article. John Balzer Wagon Works Complex is a very weak article with little effort - I hope you can do something at least as good as Gooseville Mill/Grist Mill but I'm only happy if I end up with a minimum of John Michael Kohler Arts Center. I urge you to start with Elkman's tool from a some quick automation. You're in the right place to research the articles - especially if you would spend time at Mead Library.
Also, with images, please only change images when you have an improvement. Some of the images that you replaced didn't look any better to me. I really enjoyed your images from Mirro Aluminum Company. Any image of the plant, even after it closed, is better than nothing.
Nowadays, people start articles in their personal sandbox and I urge you to start your own sandbox in your userspace. Then you don't have to worry about someone trying to delete your article while you're developing it. I keep several sandboxes in my userspace.
The Sheboygan Falls High School article is extremely weak and it's a strong target for deletion. I could write that article in 1 minute. You didn't answer what is the significance of this topic. High schools are not inherently notable, see WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Wikipedia is much different than when you used to edit - articles have high expectations. Articles that just state that something exists with no sources usually get deleted. We are not in a rapid building stage but in a stage of fleshing out existing topics and maintenance. Much of the easy work and quick topics are pretty well done. Royalbroil 03:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
You could also use the Template:Under construction in the article for the first couple of days if you think you could get it substantially complete in a short period of time. Nyth63 13:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Jesus Freak Hideout for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jesus Freak Hideout is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesus Freak Hideout (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ceradon (talkcontribs) 10:18, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Carl (Michael) Edwards`[edit]

Since you're a mod, I think you can clear this up. What the hell is going on at Carl Edwards/Carl Michael Edwards? One user moved the page from the original to one that's "less ambiguous", without discussion, and then an IP makes the situation worse by copy/pasting, so I'm hoping you can clear things up. NFLisAwesome 18:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Wow, controversial moves are supposed to be discussed and that move was clearly controversial. It took me quite some time to figure out exactly what I had to do to clear up this mess but it looks good to me now. Royalbroil 04:29, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


What do you think about this Cloverton article now?The Cross Bearer (talk) 07:51, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Illinois Police Reserves article[edit]

Can you review the Illinois Police Reserves article I created and tell me if you believe it should remain or be deleted for non-notable? No one has questioned the article but I do have questions myself if the article I created should even belong on Wikipedia. Please advise when you can. Thank you for your consideration and assistance. Asher Heimermann (talk) 02:56, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I would compare it to GNG. It has 4 separate reliable sources so I'd vote keep if it came up in a deletion discussion. I would add wikilinks to each of these sources. Royalbroil 02:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


Hey there RB .. how the heck ya doin? I have a few things I want to work on .. BUT - I was out book shopping today. I picked up "NASCAR Off the Record" by Brock Yates. That with a couple other ones I've been hording ... I think I'm stocked up to do the History of NASCAR article. I have a few things I want to do first, but I'm thinking maybe by June I'll ... sorry ... WE could start it. You up for a major article? Any of the other race folks in for it?

I'm also considering forking a Kurt Busch article to Controversies of Kurt Busch ... but that's a down the road thing, and I'll want to get input from the project before I start that.

Anyway .. I hope you're doing well ... Best always. — Ched :  ?  02:24, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

How ironic! I was thinking about you when I went to last Sunday afternoon's races at Slinger Speedway (they open the season with 2 afternoon shows). It's still as exciting as always! Things happen so fast during 12 second laps.
Summer is a bad time for me. I rarely have time to work on articles in summer - I'm too busy going to races and enjoying life. I don't even have enough discretionary time to upload the images that I take while traveling - even when I'm slower during the winter. Both articles sound like reasonable topics with enough material. I'm well and I hope that you are too! Royalbroil 04:54, 30 April 2015 (UTC)


You will have to take the article located, User:The Cross Bearer/Akissforjersey, and move it to the main space because it has to be created by an administrator at Akissforjersey.The Cross Bearer (talk) 00:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Nicely done! I asked the admin who salted the article. I can't use the admin powers to override without asking since they're still active. Royalbroil 03:06, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
He patrolled the article, but can you move the article, now or not?The Cross Bearer (talk) 05:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
He wants the article to be submitted at WP:AFC and I don't understand why more process is needed. AFC is severely backlogged often for a month. Since only an admin can remove protection, it will probably take even longer (only a few people could actually do the move). I feel totally uninvolved since I had nothing to do with the creation of this article and I don't know the topic. I'm busy with real life for several days and I won't check back much at all. Royalbroil 04:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
I did as he specified, Draft:Akissforjersey, and I am not bothered by the wait, due to Wikipedia being a lagging indicator of sorts.The Cross Bearer (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


I certainly hope it's not the Holy Grail. Elsewise that would make me Parsifal, and I don't fancy spending the rest of my life trapped in a Wagner opera. (Especially that one, dear God.)

Thanks for your kind words of support at my RfA. They're greatly appreciated, and I shall do my best to prove to be worthy of the honor. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:43, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

That's hilarious, thanks for the personal response! Royalbroil 15:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Copyeditor Barnstar Hires.png The Copyeditor's Barnstar
Dear, Thanks for you review over the article Sadiqkhan79 (talk) 06:12, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Misty Edwards[edit]

The draft for her article is now up, Misty Edwards, for you to look about her notability.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

If you want to move the article to mainspace, please, with all do sincerity, go ahead.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I vehemently disagree with that deletion discussion but it was only a few weeks ago. Sadly I had no chance to straighten out the commenters during that discussion. They were good and reliable sources within the Christian music genre. They are the quality that have been used many times for Good Articles. Someone needs to do a deletion review because she's very clearly notable. But more time needs to elapse because you can't just keep doing deletion discussions - Wikipedia would be backlogged with people who are grinding axes fishing for their outcome. And you need to find better sources that everyone knows like the NY Times, Billboard, etc. Bring out the big guns if you want the article to see the light of day. The subject of the article don't get a say whether or not their article should be deleted, even if there's a OTRS ticket, if they're a professional singer with many chart appearances. I read about the deletion after the fact. I had to click off Wikipedia for a while and cool down without venting. The admin did the right closure based on the "discussion". But only 36 hours wasn't enough time for everyone to have their say. I have a real life. You can tell from my comments that I'm still upset several weeks later. Royalbroil 14:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I moved the article to Misty Edwards (singer) since the original title is still blocked. Nyth63 17:04, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I understand your sentiments completely, Royalbroil, it was a travesty and an abysmal failure towards this encyclopedia.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:01, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
You can't bypass a blocked title to put up an article! We may not always like consensus but we have to abide by it. I have moved the article back to userspace and deleted the article. Royalbroil 02:54, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
What avenue do you want us to take, in order to get this article created again?The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:14, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
First and foremost, The New York Times nor Billboard magazine do many if any stories on Christian music nor its artist in general, which means I cannot meet the hurdle with regards to the article in question. All Billboard will do is give chartings, and very little else in the way of coverage. This means sources like New Release Today, Cross Rhythms, Worship Leader and Relevant will more than have to suffice. I will take this article through the process of AfC, in order to get this accomplished, and then onto deletion review to remove the bad salt, with regards to the title block. Akissforjersey was a similar ordeal, where I had to undertake this tedium of a process.The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:32, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Seems unlikely to get it back at this time due to this incomprehensible decision. A deletion review is way to soon. You'd have to come up with a lot more evidence that she's notable to even consider a deletion review. Meet many more points under WP:MUSICBIO. Finding well-known reliable sources would help too. Find interviews from her and other articles directly about her. And don't lash out at the involved admins. Being an admin is thankless and sometimes involves doing unpopular things. Royalbroil 03:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
I showed she did two more interviews one for Worship Leader back in 2011, while she recently did an interview for Relevant this past March. I even provided five Behind the Songs features from New Release Today, where this is evidently not enough to merit recreation. Well, I was requested to undertake this task by two other editors, while I was still apprehensive about this subject. You will be seeing her article on another encyclopedia, where the powers that be here, do not hold sway. I am not mad at the administrators, by the way, you all have to do what you all have to do at the end of the day.The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:55, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I am not invested in her nor her music, simply put, I was trying to do this for Jesus Christ, oh, I guess you meant the "Bad Salt" remark was an attack on you all administrators. It is not in the least, all I was trying to convey my disdain, for the ideals of Jimbo Wales not being followed with Misty Edwards, in regards to his comment "'Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge...That's what we're doing.'" I have a tremendous amount of other stuff to get done, where I really don't have the time to get sidetracked on a one article issue wormhole, so I better get to doing other stuff. I could have said bath salts, where it would be rather funny. I love and respect the ideals of this encyclopedic project, which is why I am continuing on contributing content, so it can achieve its vital mission and purpose.The Cross Bearer (talk) 04:49, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm not invested in her or her music either. I never heard of her before this. I wasn't offended with any of your comments and didn't feel that anything that you said was insulting to admins (bad salt). It was hard for me to not leave a message for the admins who made the decisions. I feel the same way about not getting bogged down by a single article. There is MUCH more new articles and article improvements that I could be contributing here if I had more discretionary time. Royalbroil 04:56, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Love and Peace, I hope you have a good worship "Sabbath" day.The Cross Bearer (talk) 05:04, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


I just started the article, Cadet, from the research I did, where others did not adequately do so in the past.The Cross Bearer (talk) 09:35, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Misty Edwards continued[edit]

I took it through the correct channels to get Misty Edwards re-created, through the AfC process, where an administrator agreed and removed the salted page to allow for its creation. Love,The Cross Bearer (talk) 06:04, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

USRD newsletter[edit]

You like to take pictures for USRD articles, so if you have some time, would you be willing to answer some questions about taking pictures? You can find the interview here. Thanks. –Fredddie 03:15, 15 August 2015 (UTC)