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RNN[edit]

Hello. There was a significant amount of outdated and erroneous information on the page prior to the updates given. When you reverted to the old version, you simply put the errors back. Please undo your moves. Thank you. DKischel —Preceding undated comment added 18:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Your edits are biased and read like an advertisement. The first sentence is " RNN (Regional News Network) is an award-winning premium news content producer that programs ", are you kidding?, what makes it premium, compared to the other local stations, its news department is a joke. It only has a half-hour opinion talk show anchored by the owner of the station. Being that your only contribution to Wikipedia is RNN, I have to believe you either work for them or are being paid by them. Is your real name Richard French?--Rusf10 (talk) 04:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Did a google search and found your linkedin profile Danny, clearly a conflict of interest, promote your tv station somewhere else, not on wikipedia

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Hamady N'Diaye[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Inside Rutgers Football[edit]

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Carriage of WZME ME-TV in New York Tri-State Area...[edit]

For your information WZME is now carried only over-the-air and on cable systems in Connecticut and in some areas of Massachusetts which cannot receive the signal from WCVB in Boston. Cable systems in New York City (Cablevision & Time Warner), in Central and Northern New Jersey (Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner & Service Electric) have officially dropped WZME from their channel lineup and added the newly signed on WJLP which is licensed to Middletown, New Jersey and transmitting from the Condé Nast Building in Midtown Manhattan (New York City) when they were officially designated the new New York City affiliate for Me-TV. It is entirely possible that management at WZME have not yet had the chance to change their website to reflect the loss of the New York City market or they are unwilling to change it which would be deceptive IMHO. In any case the changes I made were appropriate. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 05:05, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I have Verizon FiOS in NJ and still receive WZME, nothing has changed. Can you provide any references showing otherwise? The channel was never carried on most New Jersey cable systems and even some New York systems. A station cannot just change markets without also changing cities. If it claims must-carry status on cable (which I believe WZME does) It can force cable systems within a certain radius to carry it (not sure if 40 or 50 miles. Since its transmitter is not located in Bridgeport, but further to the northeast, this makes it receivable in parts of MA, which means it must be carried the as well. There was at one time a plan to move the transmitter to Manhattan. Not sure if this plan is abandoned now? That would have made it a true NY station. Because of the transmitter location WZME can't claim must carry in most of NJ or even parts the New York City itself. The only reason I have it on FiOS is because they have Rusf10 (talk) 04:20, 8 October 2014 (UTC)large headends and therefore carry channels for the entire area even if not necessary.--Rusf10 (talk) 04:20, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I believe the FCC rule 50 miles from the transmitter site. WJLP transmits from Midtown Manhattan and therefore is closer for coverage to the New York City market. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

M&T[edit]

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RadioShack → RS Legacy Corporation[edit]

Where is the discussion that established a consensus for this move? And how was this title selected? There does not seem to have ever been a corporation by that name. General Ization Talk 16:55, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, this is a real corporation, http://www.wsj.com/articles/radioshack-creditors-move-closer-to-bankruptcy-settlement-1437659365 and http://www.marketwatch.com/story/radioshack-creditors-closer-to-bankruptcy-deal-2015-07-23. It holds the leftover assets and liabilities of Radio Shack after the stores were sold. The new Radio Shack needs an article too, but the history needs to stay with the old company as the stores are moving in a very different direction.
Yes, I saw SEC filings, etc. using the new name. However, I'm not sure that the article needs to move as yet; the new company's "new direction" is not yet notable, and RadioShack is still the WP:COMMONNAME for this company, whatever the bankruptcy court calls the entity. Where did the move discussion take place? General Ization Talk 17:07, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Note that even the sources you cited above are (still) referring to the company by its common name, RadioShack, not by the name of the party to the bankruptcy. General Ization Talk 17:10, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but the stores are now owned by a different company and have already begun to make Sprint a major part of their branding. I was just trying to update an outdated article. If you want to move it back and sit on it for a few weeks that's fine with me.
I would strongly recommend it be moved back. "The defunct retailer, which has officially changed its name, now calls itself RS Legacy Corp. The revived store chain goes by the name of RadioShack, while RS Legacy, the shell left behind in bankruptcy, sorts through cash and unpaid bills in an effort to wrap up the old company's affairs." This article is not an article about the shell company created purely for the convenience of the court and creditors. General Ization Talk 17:17, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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Civility[edit]

Please read Wikipedia:No personal attacks, Wikipedia:Civility, and Wikipedia:Assume good faith. Referring to another editor as a "liberal tool who wants to portray [article subject] as an angel" (as you did here) runs afoul of all these policies. Thank you. --Neutralitytalk 06:41, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

There is a difference between personal attacks (such as those on gender, race, and religion) and calling someone out on blatant political bias. I'm sorry I hurt you and your friend's feelings.--Rusf10 (talk) 22:10, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
It really isn't about feelings, it just wouldn't be practical to have Trump clones repeating patterns of his vitriol. -- Mentifisto 02:24, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Are you best friends with these guys too? If I'm to believe that my comments were wrong and offensive, yours are equally so. Practice what you preach!--Rusf10 (talk) 02:31, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

BLP warning[edit]

You claim to know the BLP--good. Only warning. Such speculation is not acceptable here. Neutrality, you've been looking at the article--if you think this did not contain a BLP violation, let me know and reinstate the remark I redacted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drmies (talkcontribs) 00:57, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Wow, you can't take criticism can you? I didn't add this into the article, I was simply trying to make a point on the talk page. You guys don't believe in free speech, do you?--Rusf10 (talk) 02:19, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
  • You can try to make this about opinion or POV, but it was a clear-cut BLP violation--so much so that another admin scrubbed it from the history. Also, no, this is not a free-speech zone, and limits are set by, among others, WP:BLP. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 03:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
My point was clear and you guys erased my comment because you don't want to deal with it. The question was, how do you know whether what was claimed 20 years ago is more credible that what is claimed now? Sources don't become outdated, they are valid until someone discredits them. Alicia Machado could just as well be not telling the truth about Donald Trump now as she may have been 20 years ago. You don't know and neither do I. That's the point (regardless of what involvement Hillary Clinton, may or may not have). Stop deleting anything that doesn't go along with what you want to believe.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:51, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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February 2017[edit]

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You obviously don't know anything about boy scouting. No one ever was a eagle scout (unless they are dead). Once you become an eagle scout, you are an eagle scout for life (yes, even if you're 70 years old like this man). Why you don’t say someone was an Eagle Scout To say he was an eagle is incorrect.--Rusf10 (talk) 05:26, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
I was a Cub Scout in 1941-42, so I know a bit about BSA history. As for the point you make, that is like saying "Once a Marine, always a Marine." It is just so much hype, really useful for building cohesion, but not at all useful for getting real facts into an encyclopedia. Thanks anyway for sticking up for your viewpoint. II am sure every Eagle Scout appreciates it. Sincerely, an ex-Cub who has BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:16, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Unreliable sources / BLP[edit]

You have previously been warned about WP:BLP and WP:RS. In This edit and this edit you cite to "Nation One News," which is some sort of bizarre fringe pro-Trump blog/website. That's nowhere near a reliable source, and you need to stop inserting it. Just because something is on the Internet doesn't mean it is reliable. Neutralitytalk 04:56, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

See the talk page--Rusf10 (talk) 05:38, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain West[edit]

Did not want to revert your edit because I may be wrong but AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain West is available in my current location, Ontario, California, located in the western part of San Bernardino County. I put the zip codes of cities in the western part of the county like Montclair, Chino Hills, Chino, Rancho Cucamonga and Upland, on the "channel finder" on the network website, it says it is available in all those cities. The network though is not available in any city west of Pomona (LA County) or south of Jurupa Valley (Riverside County), two cities that border San Bernardino County. I don't know if that means the network should be included in the LA TV Template though. GoPurple'nGold24 09:40, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

I would think that its an error by AT&T. What I've read says the Golden Knights territory only includes the eastern part of San Bernardino County, which would make sense as not to interfere with the Kings and Ducks primary market. The only other possibility is that the network is offered with the golden knights games blacked out, but that doesn't make much sense either. I just can't see how this network would be offered right outside of LA.--Rusf10 (talk) 06:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
I waited a while to reply because I thought we were getting AT&T SportsNet by mistake, but no were still able to see the Golden Knights matches on the network. It is interesting because we're still able to see the Ducks and Kings games. In this territory map you can clearly see the network is available in all of San Bernardino County. GoPurple'nGold24 06:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
That doesn't make sense to me, but if that's what it is, go ahead and mention it to the article. I probably wouldn't include it in the LA TV template though because most of that area doesn't receive the channel.--Rusf10 (talk) 13:40, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

NYC template[edit]

This is all something you need to bring up on the template's talk page. We can't change it all around without a clear consensus. Nate (chatter) 03:47, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

I wrote something on the talk page, check it out.--Rusf10 (talk) 04:03, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Live! Hotel and Casino Philadelphia for deletion[edit]

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Warren Pearson[edit]

Hi. I wonder if you think the current incarnation of this bio passes muster? Castlemate (talk) 23:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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A shining model for WP:BEFORE[edit]

I've mentioned WP:BEFORE as a bedrock principal of Wikipedia deletion policy and it's still unclear to me that you understand or abide by it. Take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerry DeCaire (2nd nomination), a nomination where you have participated, that provides an excellent model for fulfilling its obligations. Alansohn (talk) 18:56, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Alansohn:Mr. Sohn, if you'd like me to stay off your talk page, how about you stay off mine. I know you're upset and like talking down to people (because it makes you feel important), but quite frankly I do not care what you think.--Rusf10 (talk) 19:03, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Comments at SPI[edit]

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Agreed, Unscintillating loves to bring irrelevant things into a discussion, I shouldn't have replied.--Rusf10 (talk) 10:49, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Deletion nominations[edit]

Hello, Rusf10. I noticed your recent deletion nominations. According to the AfD Stats tool you started nominating articles for deletion in November of last year and currently only about 54% of the AfD discussions for these nominations have closed as "delete". About four years ago I started with an even worse record for nominating articles at AfD which caused me to be more cautious about the deletion requirements, nominating procedures, and notability guidelines. This increased care has made my nominations much more likely to be agreed with by other editors. AfD can be one of the more contentious areas of the project and it never hurts to step away and take a break from it. Unless the article is so truly awful that it qualifies for CSD or PROD, there probably won't be any harm to the project if a poor article remains for another day or week. I hope you have a happy and productive new year. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

May I recommend :-) : CAT:NN (articles tagged for notability) and CAT:PROMO (articles tagged for promotional tone). Some other candidates: List of Y Combinator startups; Category:Bitcoin companies; WP:COIN (conflict-of-interest noticeboard); etc. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:58, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I advise you to slow down on nominating article for deletions. I just came upon Reformed Church of Highland Park at AfD. The article was strongly sourced when you nominated it. But you have continued to argue with the editors iVoting Keep in ways that indicate that you need to become more familiar with standards of notability. For example, you argue that "Even if the minister was a notable person, it still doesn't transfer to the church.",[1] but a notable minister does contribute to notability. Similarly with your argument about the building, [2], secondary, WP:RS discussing a church's building do contribute to notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:12, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

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CSDs on soft redirects[edit]

Hi there. Please remember that per WP:SOFTREDIRECT, only R-criteria apply to soft redirects. Also, all those taggings were faulty anyway because Mayors of Teaneck, New Jersey exists as a suitable merge/redirect target per WP:ATD. Regards SoWhy 09:13, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

McMillan Memorial Library[edit]

FYI -- 32.218.38.11 (talk) 04:43, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

History of slavery in New Jersey[edit]

There are open questions regarding your edits to History of slavery in New Jersey (from which you removed vast amounts of referenced material) awaiting your response at Talk:History of slavery in New Jersey. Are you going to answer them? Djflem (talk) 06:57, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Clinton Cemetery and Mount Olivet Cemetery[edit]

You are of the opinion that "two articles, don't mean two votes". You are "sure the closing admin can figure it out". The AfD nomination made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clinton Cemetery in which you included the recently "closed as keep" Mount Olivet Cemetery (Newark), has the potential for confusion among discussion participants and adds a extra burden to the closing administrator. For those reasons, and for sake of transparency and good faith, I would ask that you separate the two nominations.Djflem (talk) 09:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

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Editing error[edit]

You have apparently made a formatting mistake here in your non-admin closure, which (I assume inadvertently) has included the following discussions as well. Please fix it.Eustachiusz (talk) 14:50, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Now sorted - if by you, many thanks.Eustachiusz (talk) 22:50, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
No problem, I apologize. I'll try to avoid doing that in the future, but if I do something like that again, feel free to correct it yourself.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion proposal of List of sheriffs of Monmouth County, New Jersey[edit]

With regard to your tagging for speedy deletion at List of sheriffs of Monmouth County, New Jersey, which has been rejected, you state in your edit summary: "there was no consensus to create this article as a spinout" and and that "it was proposed only 10 days ago and the discussion only had three participants"

Firstly, given your initiation and vested involvement in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive226#Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), might one assume (mightn't one?) that you were aware of the notification made there and on the Monmouth County, New Jersey page on 5 February 2018 to split the information? The discussion to was brought to the Talk:Monmouth County, New Jersey on [February 8 2018. The page was created 18 February 2018. I direct you to Wikipedia:CLOSEAFD (with which one might assume you're familiar?) which states that A deletion discussion should normally be allowed to run for seven full days (168 hours), and which one might take as a guideline for closing discussions. What in your opinion would be the required time for a split discussion? Why was 10 days unsatisfactory?

Secondly, there were 4 particpants, including the proposer (who one might assume thinks it's a good idea, since they are proposing it). Another, making 5, did so after the split took place, confirming the decision to do so. In your opinion how many participants would be required? Why was this unsatisfactory?

Lastly, why would you choose for a speedy deletion if your concern about trying to build consensus and involving more participants?

Thanks,Djflem (talk) 15:34, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@Djflem: There are a few things wrong here. Let's start with the arbitration enforcement that you mentioned. First, the purpose of the AE was not to determine whether or not an article such as this can exist, it was to enforce sanctions on a user who violated his ban on creating article. Second, the Split tag was placed by USER:Francis Schonken, but he never took a position on whether it should be split or not. I'm not going to copy and paste the whole thing, but read his comments in the AE and you will see he discusses different possibilities without taking a position on any of them. What you need to know is that by restoring RAN's content, You (not him) are now taking responsibility for any possible WP:COPYVIO.
The next problem is given Francis didn't take a position, there were only three votes (alansohn's vote came after the fact). Two supporting the split and one opposing. That is not a consensus. As per WP:SPLIT "Failure to reach a consensus, whether the result of a split discussion, or a bold split that was contested usually results in the article remaining whole. "--Rusf10 (talk) 22:31, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
  • PRODding the list article with a CSD rationale does not seem like a viable route here, although I have sympathy for Rusf10's approach.
  • It seems best to check the content of the list article for COPYVIO (and WP:close paraphrasing), especially as some other articles which may fall short of such guidance have been merged into the list since I adopted it in the County article.
  • Otherwise, like Rusf10 said: the one who split it takes responsibility (which follows from the RAN ArbCom case), and it is best to know that. Frankly, I'm glad I don't have to assume that responsibility any more. I only realised that that responsibility is a bit trickier than I thought after having merged the former Sheriff article to the County article. --Francis Schonken (talk) 23:10, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
The questions remain unanswered:
  • What would be the required time for a split discussion? And why? Why was 10 days unsatisfactory?
  • How many participants would be required? and why? Why was this 3 unsatisfactory?
  • Why choose for a speedy deletion if you're concern about trying to build consensus and involving more participants?
  • Why has consensus not be reached?

Djflem (talk) 07:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I not going to keep repeating myself, just because you don't understand. I've already answered these questions. It should be obvious that you need more than just two people who agree to achieve a consensus.--Rusf10 (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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Thankyou for your yeoman's work[edit]

I want to thank you for your yeoman's work in cleaning Wikipedia. You have faced many malicious and uncivil attacks from the die hard defenders of creating absurd number of articles on minor politicians while we have to struggle to have an article on the Minister of Foriegn Affairs of Mongolia survive, even facing that individual being run through a speedy deletion procedure. Again thankyou for your work, and do not let the defenders of minor articles at all cost get you down.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:41, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

County Executive of Atlantic County[edit]

As creator of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey, wish to inform you that while the discussion banner on page clearly says "Feel free to improve the article" and Wikipedia:EDITATAFD supports that; Wikipedia:EDITATAFD also says "Moving the article while it is being discussed can produce confusion (both during the discussion and when closing using semi-automated closing scripts). If you do this, please note it on the deletion discussion page, preferably both at the top of the discussion (for new participants) and as a new comment at the bottom (for the benefit of the closing administrator)." Considering that this page was nominated for delection @ 21:40, 25 February 2018, a mere 3.5 hours after it was created @ 18:13, 25 February 2018, it seems a page move would not be unjustified since the scope/intervening edits have clarified it, as is normal with newly-launch articles? The hasty deletion tag/time to wait is clearly an unnecessary burden to the workings of creating an encyclopedia, wouldn't you agree? Talk:County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey#Discussion/page move?. Djflem (talk) 15:28, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

@Djflem:I would agree that you are WP:WIKILAWYERING the shit out of this. There is no time requirement for bringing an article to AfD, so that's irrelevant. What is relevant is the article was created in direct response to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis Levinson in order to circumvent what would eventually become the end result of that discussion, deletion. That is the reason it was nominated. As for moving the article, I could care less, as long as the proper notification is put on the discussion page. I'm not you, so I'm not going wikilawyer that the page should be subject to procedural deletion because it was moved.--Rusf10 (talk) 04:08, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Senecal (2nd nomination)[edit]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Senecal (2nd nomination)

  • I withdrew this AfD and closed it as keep even though you had !voted delete on it. This is generally against convention so I am letting you know as a courtesy. Prince of Thieves (talk) 17:45, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

ARBCOM notice[edit]

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#New Jersey-related AfDs and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

Thanks, power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:27, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion[edit]

I have not dived into all the diffs so I'm not going to judge who is correct, but here is a potential path that will deescalate things. Continue nominating pages except for those by the one editor. When you find their creations, add them to a user subpage, perhaps sorted by deletion rational. Let other editors nominate them one by one or in bundles off that list. If you prove you do well on pages by other random editors, and the ones you identify on the list generally get deleted when nominated by others, we will all see you were correct. See how the other editor reacts to the noms. Placing them on a list will also give the other editor a notification and some time to address deficiencies before the actual nomination. This might take a little longer to get a deletion but the opportunity to bundle and have drama free AfDs is worth it. All the sniping is going to end badly. Legacypac (talk) 07:17, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Legacypac:- That sounds like a great suggestion, but its not that simple. Only a small handful of the nominations were pages created by that user. He claims ownership over a broad category of articles (including ones that he has not even edited). For example [3] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Street Co-op [4] and others. That particular editor never even edited those articles, not even once. So what am I supposed to do, not nominate any article that I think he might possibly object to?--Rusf10 (talk) 08:06, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Well there is some real rudeness there. A merge vote is close to a delete vote so don't fight it. You redirect the page and may or may not add anything to the target. There is no AfMerge to go to so... carry on. You are being accused of stalking so go out of your way not to be seen to be stalking. If you find something created or largely edited by him add to list. I'll watch the list and maybe ofhers will. Everything else, make your nomination and let the fools be fools, move on to the next article. Everyone else will quickly tire of the foolish posts. Legacypac (talk) 08:18, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
@Legacypac:- You're right there is no AfMerge, so I don't see it as a bad thing to bring an article to AfD and it results in a merge. At least, there was community input on it. You get what I'm saying, how the hell do I know what he's going to object to? But at least for articles he created, I can start a list, so you or someone else can nominate. I'll ping you again, once the list has been created.--Rusf10 (talk) 08:27, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
You can't know. If you don't directly nom his pages, he follows you to AfD after AfD, and you don't respond to his attacks, he's either going to tire of picking on you or build a great WP:STALKING case. You know about this tool? [5] If he continues to follow you to AfDs and if you are not following him around, the tool will show that. Legacypac (talk) 08:35, 9 March 2018 (UTC).
I'm curious about the idea of Rusf10 making a list described above. We already have tags such at Template:Notability. There are large (50,000+ articles) backlogs at categories like Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability, Category:Wikipedia articles with sourcing issues, and Category:Articles that may contain original research. The size of the backlog suggests that these tags often do not instigate cleanup. Rusf10 making a list of articles they think should be nominated for AfD provides, in effect, another list similar to those categories. Even though I don't believe those tags are very effective at leading to improvement, I think if Rusf10 is adding articles to some list, they should also tag the articles. Tags generally shouldn't be removed unless the article improves or there is another change that effects the applicability of a tag. Thus tags give Rusf10 an opportunity to inform editors watching an article that they have concerns and gives those editors a chance to improve articles. Another editor removing a tag signals back that they have improved the article or for some other reason think the tag doesn't or no longer applies. A tag is softer than a prod but more global than a list in userspace. Of course, following this proceedure can lead to disputes as well, and such disputes are better had on AfD where they attract more attention and through community involvement can be less personal. Also, since those categories are not shrinking in size, I don't see why many articles Rusf10 lists or tags would be improved unless there is an effort made to follow Rusf10's edits (which an community based or individual based IBAN would make difficult). I don't have a great alternative suggestion, I just wanted point out an issue I saw, a suggestion for a modification of the proposal, and why that suggestion is far from perfect.
Unwilling to give a criticism without giving a suggestion, all I think I can say is the rather obvious advice that I think that it would be better for the involved parties to work together to come up with ways to work together and avoid working together than for them to try to come up with ways to undermine each other and engender bans, etc. Smmurphy(Talk) 16:30, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
The bar for removing such tags is very low, and I know from experience that edit warring over the tag is totally possible if people disagree. I fail to see how Rusf10 sticking "ugly tags" on alansohn's articles will help anything, if anything it will generate more friction rather than helping defuse the situation. Prince of Thieves (talk) 16:38, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Tagging is normally fine as is AfD but in this case would generate more heat. The idea of adding articles by a particular user to a list is so other interested users can evaluate the suggested nominations and proceed with AfDs themselves. Many users believe the noms are productive but the other editor is calling it harassment/stalking. It allows Rusf10 to continue what may be good work, but adds a layer of independent review. It also reduces the interaction between the editors. Rusf10 might not even suggest any more pages for deletion. We don't know. Legacypac (talk) 16:49, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Also no amount of editing can overcome basic failure of notability - so tagging a page correctly for notability is pretty useless when deletion is the solution. Legacypac (talk) 16:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

@Legacypac: You might want to take a look at a survey I did last week for West virginia, if Rusf10, or really anyone wanted to do similar checks it could well be worthwhile. Prince of Thieves (talk) 16:56, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

@Smmurphy: Normally tagging would be a great suggestion, but as Legacypac pointed out, it would not work here. The other editor would just remove the tag and get angry for the suggestion that one of "his articles" was substandard. Here's an example of what happens when I use tags: [6] [7]--Rusf10 (talk) 17:50, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Ahh, too bad. I think I remember someone once posting a link to an essay about arguing to convince the audience rather than to convince the other party (maybe it was WP:NOWIN). I found that really influential in my behavior. But other than trite suggestions and good wishes, I don't think I have any really useful advice. Smmurphy(Talk) 18:21, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposed Solutions[edit]

I got a message a ping to you may not have sent. I've proposed three Solutions at ANi. Please accept or decline #1 and #3. #2 does not require your comment. Legacypac (talk) 23:07, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Please do not delete articles out of process[edit]

Your action HERE was an out of process deletion. Either nominate deletions for speedy, PROD, or at AfD if you feel deletion is merited, but do not take it upon yourself to serve as judge, jury, and executioner over other people's work at Wikipedia as that is not the way this site works. If you repeat this sort of action, I will be seeing you at AN/I with a request for a topic ban from all deletion-related activity. I am sure that I am not alone in feeling your efforts in this capacity are destructive and a net negative. Carrite (talk) 10:59, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Carrite Rusf10's redirect was perfectly reasonable. Redirecting non-notable topics at correct pages is very acceptable and NOT out of process at all. The mistake here was attacking the editor that made the redirect. If you take this to ANi be ready for a boomerang. I've taken the ECTV page to AfD because simply redirecting it again is not likely to stick. Legacypac (talk) 16:15, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
It is absolutely not acceptable, especially with someone with such a miserable track record with PROD nominations. And I don't fear a boomerang — do you? Carrite (talk) 17:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Redirecting is a very valid WP:ATD. If you take this to ANi, good luck. Legacypac (talk) 17:43, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

@Carrite:This is totally uncalled for. Constantly I am told, why not use ATD? Then when I do, you come here to threaten me? Also if you are going to mass depord articles, it is very helpful to actually leave an explanation of why you think the article should not be deleted because right now it looks like you have no valid reason and are just doing so in bad faith. [8] [9] [10] [11] Care to explain? If you have a valid reason why these articles should be kept, fine. But if you are just trying to prove a point, that's not okay.--Rusf10 (talk) 18:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Anybody can challenge anything for deletion. Anybody can remove a PROD for any reason or no reason. PROD is for uncontroversial deletion requests. I object to each of the PRODs placed which I removed. Take them to AfD if you wish to pursue the deletion process. Carrite (talk) 02:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC) Last edit: Carrite (talk) 02:26, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@Carrite: If you have to follow an editor removing their PROD's, you probably should avoid then saying they have such a miserable track record with PROD nominations.diff It shuld be fairly obvious to you, or any other editor that has read WP:ATD-R that Rusf10 was correct in his actions, you should have taken the matter to the article talk page explaining why the article is valid after your revert.diff Which you did not do. For future reference WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT is also of relevance. Prince of Thieves (talk) 18:17, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

What I am doing is protecting the encyclopedia from systematic deletionist vandalism. The topic ban on PROD didn't get traction last time; we'll see how it goes next time... Carrite (talk) 02:20, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
What that was was an out of process deletion. Keep doing it, see what happens. Carrite (talk) 02:22, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@Carrite:stop calling my editing vandalism and trying to threaten me! You still had not given any valid reason to keep the articles which proves my point about bad faith. If I had to guess, the reason why you objected to these is because I nominated them. Although its not a requirement, "You are strongly encouraged, but not required, to also: Explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion, either in the edit summary or on the talk page."--Rusf10 (talk) 02:30, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

If this calling normal deletion work vandalism continues Carrite will be taking a trip to ANi Legacypac (talk) 02:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Out of process deletions and two minute BEFORE assessments in a series of semi-automated deletions of related content is not "normal deletion work." As for AN/I, Rusf10 will soon have a frequent flyer account there, maybe he can get more miles towards a vacation in Mazatlan. Carrite (talk) 10:31, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
ANI is a notice board for collaboration and conflict resolution, not a tourist destination. If anyone here feels that an uninvolved party is needed to adjudicate on whether the bold redirection in question was correct, or whether a set of PROD's are correct, then explaining this issue on ANI would be a valid thing to do. But please stop trying to score points on who is mostly likely to be told off if that happens. Prince of Thieves (talk) 14:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

It is bad form to comment on a proposal thst benefits you. Lets see what 3rd parties have to say. Legacypac (talk) 16:42, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey I'm puzzled why you are targeting county parks. There is no benefit to anyone to have a page about a park on wikipedia but some readers will find it useful to learn the location, history etc. Can I point you at some areas where deletion will help?

  • State level pagant winners. These drive me crazy because a girl wins one event and does nothing else of note ever yet she gets an article
  • All kinds of spam in Draft space.
  • highly AfC declined pages here User:JJMC89 bot/report/AfC decline counts that can CSD'd for promotional G11 or G13 (remember you can ignore bot edits when counting six months).

Legacypac (talk) 05:51, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Legacypac:- I'm not really targeting county parks. These were part of a series of articles I proded a couple months ago. Another editor though he would just deprod them all with no explanation, so that's why they're at AfD now. Rather than bring 15 or so Overlook Park articles to AfD at once, I've been doing a few at a time. I just don't see why we need a directory of every park with a playground. I do agree that the promotional articles are more annoying.--Rusf10 (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Interaction ban for user Alansohn[edit]

The Proposal at ANI to prohibit Alansohn from interacting with you for six months has passed. Note that this ban is subject to the usual exceptions, and while it is not a restriction on you you should take care not to tempt Alansohn into breaching it. Thryduulf (talk) 14:36, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Hey, Rusf10. Just a reminder that with the implementation of the IBAN, the TBAN you accepted conditionally has gone into effect. The remedy you agreed to is that you are "topic banned from directly tagging for notability, proposing deletion (PROD), or nominating for AfD, any article created by Alansohn or where Alansohn is a major contributor." This arrangement will run for six months. Thank you very much for voluntarily compromising in order to eliminate drama; I think we're all hoping this will be an effective resolution. As an aside, if there is ever any doubt as to whether Alan is considered a "major contributor", I would just ask for a second opinion before taking a chance of breaching the agreement. Standard practice is that topic bans are generally broadly construed, and if you're in a grey area, it will probably be considered a violation. Ultimately, any such cases will be judged by an admin based on common sense. Thanks again, Swarm 19:39, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
  • This [12] may be a violation of the interaction ban. @Thryduulf and Swarm:.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Not a good thing to post but not a violation as Rusf10 is not under a IBAN. However this might be seen as baiting and should be removed. Legacypac (talk) 18:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
@E.M.Gregory:, the iban doesn't apply to me! I bad enough you're bludgeoning the discussion and making self-proclaimed WP:HEY comments (as usual), but why did you bring an irrelevant article into a discussion?--Rusf10 (talk) 19:24, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
I've boldly reverted the off topic chat type comment for this user's own good. Please be more careful. Legacypac (talk) 19:47, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration case request declined[edit]

The Arbitration Committee has declined the New Jersey-related AfDs arbitration case request, which you were listed as a party to. For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 20:18, 24 March 2018 (UTC)




You made the report and notified him. Now step back from ANi and go do something else. This will be dealt with. Is that the first NJ AfD you've done in the last couple weeks? Legacypac (talk) 01:22, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Bergen_County_Executive#RFC_on_biographic_information[edit]

Hi Rusf10. Just a quick note to let you know I've closed an RFC you initiated, at Talk:Bergen_County_Executive#RFC_on_biographic_information. Cheers, Fish+Karate 09:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

  • Please return and sign your last edit, here: [13]. E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. RAN (talk) 13:27, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

IBAN[edit]

I think this violates it. Someone posted the matter at AN/I.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:29, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Advice[edit]

Looks like you have an unwanted traveling companion! I have had my share of it for about a year now. Best thing I can offer you: ignore it and speak with diffs in hand. And, of course, if you ever need to vent you can e-mail me; sometimes blowing off some steam does the trick.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 20:05, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

annoying isn't it, I bet he has my talk page on his watchlist. Anyway, thanks for the support.--Rusf10 (talk) 05:42, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes ignore if possible. I missed the ANi but it closed correctly. Legacypac (talk) 13:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Libraries[edit]

I've almost always opposed individual articles on town libraries, but the usual way of handling them is to merge into the library system, or the town . I've changed all your recent prods accordingly. DGG ( talk ) 17:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Minor request[edit]

Please either create a userpage with content, or at least make it a redirect to your talk page. It's annoying and a time-waster for others when a userpage does not exist but the user is active, because every single time someone links your username, e.g. in a ping template, it causes a redlink, which looks like an error, which causes us to check if it's right or not. Plus it fills up talk pages with redlinks which look like errors.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  12:58, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: I've never had an interest in creating a userpage, but since you asked nicely I redirected it as you suggested.--Rusf10 (talk) 02:23, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you!  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  16:19, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Rusf10, It looks as though you changed the template atop Bud Otis to deletion review instead of back to the AfD. Can you fix it? I am frankly not sure how to fix it properly; the AfD is ongoing.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:20, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
@E.M.Gregory:- Try reverting it. :)--Rusf10 (talk) 00:41, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Bruce Ohr for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bruce Ohr is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruce Ohr until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. FallingGravity 04:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Words of caution[edit]

Hello, I just wanted to throw out a caution that deleting other editors comments can result in unfavorable attention from admins. It is best to Reply or Comment directly under user comments that you have issues with or seek resolution. Just thought I would mention this. Otr500 (talk) 07:27, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
@Otr500:- I did no such thing. I struck a comment (not deleted, there's a difference) of a user who was banned from AfD by the community for making problematic contributions.--Rusf10 (talk) 22:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
I got you. If that is acceptable then strike away. Otr500 (talk) 11:53, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: W. W. Patterson[edit]

Hello Rusf10. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of W. W. Patterson, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: G12. Not a copyright violation. The book was published in 1888, and is therefore out of copyright and in the public domain. Thank you. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 05:02, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Ashland[edit]

I'm just following up on my comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/D. A. Fisher. I was away from any significant editing for a few days, and didn't have a chance to follow up. I looked through the prods and AfDs you submitted as best I could and !voted or edited where I felt it would be useful. I didn't find anything in the closed and deleted/redirected AfDs/prods that made me want to re-open the cases with the exception of Charles F. Weaver (which you prodded), who was a member of the state house. I didn't clean up that page more than just providing two references and a short note of his position. I'm not at all satisfied with Weaver's page, of course, but I don't plan to bring it up to a decent standard unless you think it is so bad that it should be nominated for discussion. Smmurphy(Talk) 16:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I won't be nominating Weaver for deletion. If he was a state senator, he passes WP:NPOL. I did not realize this when I proded the article since it was not mentioned.--Rusf10 (talk) 16:59, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
No worries, I guess. I hesitate to give recommendations, but Weaver's position was not difficult to find, which somewhat reinforces my concern with the BEFORE performed before these nominations were made. That said, I don't mean any disrespect. Best, Smmurphy(Talk) 17:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Name flexibility[edit]

or Trump administration zero tolerance policy I support either option

People are objecting to this one about vagueness. Any thoughts on Trump administration zero-tolerance immigration policy? Or if that's too long perhaps just Trump zero-tolerance immigration policy? ScratchMarshall (talk) 18:56, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@ScratchMarshall:Either one of your suggestions would be fine. My problem with the current names is that it implies the existence of a policy that does not actually exist.--Rusf10 (talk) 18:59, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
I agree. Separating alleged minors from their alleged guardians is only a side effect. ScratchMarshall (talk) 19:10, 22 June 2018 (UTC)