User talk:Sandcherry

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Why do you keep removing the information about the BNSF Logistics office in Jamestown ND? It is a real business located in the city of Jamestown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkultra81 (talkcontribs) 03:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Because it is not notable. Sandcherry (talk) 00:55, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Doña Ana County[edit]

Hello, I was just curious about your edit to Doña Ana County, New Mexico. Does it really not display with the tilde? I assure you that it does so appear; if you go to Dona Ana County, New Mexico, you'll find that it redirects to the tilde form, and a link can't redirect to itself. And if it still is a problem: are you sure that your computer settings are correct so that you can see letters with diacritical marks? Nyttend (talk) 03:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, my IBM-based computer displays diacritical marks except the tilde. However, my Mac displys the tilde. I will check the settings. Thanks for the help and for editing the pronunciation post.

Sandcherry (talk) 05:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for fixing that legal citation. You were right: it was page 43. Jonathunder (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

SNL and rumors[edit]

I've restored the more definite statements to the relevant articles; as I discuss at Talk:Reliable Sources, we're not dealing with speculation/rumors of upcoming events, but with the level of evidence required to verify an actual event (they've already been hired, contracts signed, etc.). That's not always an easy line to draw clearly. After I wrote up my comments, a particularly useful comparison occurred to me; in SNL's first season, after the first show, two members (George Coe, Michael O'Donoghue) were dropped from the Not Ready For Prime Time Players without any formal announcement. BTW, the current hirings/firings were written up in a short article in today's New York Times; we're well beyond the "rumors" stage. Sorry I didn't have time to get to this earlier tonight. (For whatever it's worth, many years ago I worked at a government agency whose activities were regularly reported on, and most of the important events weren't documented by press releases or official announcements, including several hirings and firings.) Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


"Gyp-Crete" is a product name that has turned into an industry term for any gypsum concrete. Its significance is relevant because industry professionals use the term 'gyp-crete' interchangeably with 'gypsum concrete'. Information was once again added to the article to state this fact. Nlghills (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


on Kerr-McGee nuclear section you aattempted to improve the grammar and flow. the problem was that i was rewriting that section at the same time. the other problem is that we dont actually know if general atomics 'closed the plant'... the document i reference only states that production was stopped in 1992. doesnt say who did it.

also it may have opened in 1970 but i dont have anything saying what exactly it did when it first opened... know later it did yellowcake->UF6 but did it do that in 1971? my reference doesnt say that. so... i have no idea when it started producing uf6 from yellowcake.

i know the grammar is not that great as it stands... i appreciate and encourage you to try to improve it.... it is just that this particular edit reduces accuracy. (plus i moved the general atomics discussion to a different section)

thank you Decora (talk)

No problem. I will take another stab at a rewrite taking into consideration your comments. BTW - thanks for your recent additions to this article.Sandcherry (talk) 20:54, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Category:All-Steinway Schools[edit]

Stop your vandalism about [[Category:All-Steinway Schools]]. (WP:TW). Read the category's references and the talk page of the category. Fanoftheworld (talk) 09:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Fanoftheworld appears to be upset by my reversions of his/her spam. He/she was indefinitely blocked today for spamming. Life goes on...Sandcherry (talk) 23:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Although Fanoftheworld is currently an indefinitely blocked user, his references accurately and correctly identify St. Mary's University of Minnesota as an All-Steinway School. Your edit appears to have been made with good intentions, but it introduced inaccurate information into an article and for that reason has been reverted.Brian2357 (talk) 21:32, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Removing spam is not the same as introducing inaccuarate information. Whether or not St. Mary's is an All-Steinway or all Pepsi or all whatever University is not the issue. Any assistance in removing Fanoftheworld's spam would be appreciated. Sandcherry (talk) 23:15, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
I agree with your contention regarding spam vs. inappropriate reversion. However, speaking from a strictly third party perspective, I do not see this as an obvious case of spam. I may be suggesting the obvious, but if the problem is not so much with the edit than it is with the existence of the category in the first place, nominate the category for deletion, and make your case so that we can all see it. I am not saying that I doubt you, given Fan's ban, but it does not appear an obvious vandalism case. Could you provide some background? LonelyBeacon (talk) 00:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for an excellent suggestion! Please review my logic supporting the category deletion on the All-Steinway Schools talk page.Sandcherry (talk) 02:10, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I see your point, Sandcherry. I apologize for my first comment, and agree with you on all your points, including that the category should be deleted. Being an All-Steinway School is a prestigious honor, but it is not a defining feature of the school. I am just saying that while the category exists, it should still include all of the schools with that distinction.Brian2357 (talk) 03:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

... for your cleanup of Bakelite in the face of what was probably not the most diplomatic approach on my behalf. I just wanted to leave a word of appreciation for your good work. —Vom (talk) 20:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Aretha Franklin[edit]

Hi Sandcherry. Regarding my Tom Jones quote (I forgot to check I was signed in when I posted it), without it the Aretha article says nothing about what type of voice she had - and she had a big voice! Maybe it should be in another section or a new section. Chorleypie (talk) 15:33, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The Idiot Cycle[edit]


I would like to know why you are deleting citations and content for The Idiot Cycle.

We are the copyright owners of the film, and the facts and citations that you deleted were correct.

We are also curious, have you seen the film? We ask, because it would be good to see the film who's wikipedia entry you have been constantly editing and deleting information from.We also ask if you have seen the film since it has not been screened in the States and the only place to see it is our online system where we've had no users from Texas.

If you are deleting and editing information for purely PR and communications reasons, we will alert wikipedia's editorial staff.

Thank you, JPS Films —Preceding unsigned comment added by CareBear134 (talkcontribs) 08:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

CareBear134 - Since you are new to Wikipedia, please familiarize yourself with acceptable citations. I trust you will make the appropriate deletions. Sandcherry (talk) 00:50, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
User JzG deleted the aforementioned citations. Sandcherry (talk) 02:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edit to Bayer[edit] doesn't seem like a broken link to me, and the link with which you replaced it doesn't really support the content for which it is used as a reference. Were you trying to change the reference in the following section? Peter Karlsen (talk) 03:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

You are correct. I replaced the wrong link and will revert. Thanks. Sandcherry (talk) 15:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

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Thanks for your recent contributions! - (talk) 19:02, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

River Oaks, Houston[edit]

Hi! Talk:River_Oaks,_Houston#Local_Government_Info WhisperToMe (talk) 04:26, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello WhisperToMe. Thanks for your diligence in improving the River Oaks, Houston article. It is both informative and encyclopedic due in no small part to your contributions. Sandcherry (talk) 01:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

dubious statements need to be referenced with a source.[edit]

Please just find a source instead of tagging the statement. If the statement is disputed, you need a source. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. See WP:NOTBLUE. If the statement is true, that means it should be easy to find a source. elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 19:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

As you wish. Cheers! Sandcherry (talk) 22:12, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Why , pourquoi ?[edit]

I do not understand. Why deprived you my section on the women's team of hockey of this university (see ). Your explanation. Thank you. Je ne comprends pas . pourquoi avez vous enlevé ma section sur l'équipe féminine de hockey de cet université. votre explication . merci . אני לא מבין. מדוע אתה סילקת את החלק שלי על צוות הנשים של הוקי של האוניברסיטה הזאת? ההסבר שלך. תודה --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 00:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

My mistake - I saw the deletion, but not the addition. Mea culpa. Also, I deleted the expansion tags for the sports teams as the redirects have the pertinent information and will be more likely edited. Sandcherry (talk) 01:22, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Merci c'est gentil. Thank you it is kind. תודה זה טוב לב. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 01:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
for you Enjoy --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 01:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Inventions , Double standards.[edit]

This issue was discussed this week on WP:AN for a few days. Please do not Blank entry. Precedents exist. (talk) 00:00, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

The participants in the discussion at WP:AN did not reach a consensus. Therefore, I will list Bakelite as both a Belgian and American invention. Cheers! Sandcherry (talk) 02:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Bhopal disaster[edit]

Dear User:Sandcherry, thanks for your post here. The name were needed and added as mentioned in the source and it is the monsoon session which is first session of the year of both Parliament of India and state lower houses (Vidhan Sabha) since India became a republic. Disaster occurred in December 1984, special economic rehabilitation packages could only be issued after a resolution in lower houses, July 1985 session (which was first session after disaster) of both center and state announced the rehabilitation packages. Also, i had to add but did not, a deficit of Rs 874 million was added to the total deficit of FY 1985-86 of Madhya Pradesh government. --Dr.pragmatist (talk) 04:28, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Dear Sandcherry, I see that you have removed my addition to the Dow Chemical Company Wikipedia page's Bhopal Disaster section, dubbing it redundant. I am not going to change it back myself, because that would be childish, but I urge you to undo your edit. I find the fact that the death toll is not agreed upon by anyone is greatly poignant information, especially considering this quote from the article: "For the record, three vastly different official figures are still being touted". I look forward to hearing back from you, you are a great boon to the Wikipedia community. --calvinatlan 18:31, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


A useful copyedit. Well done. SilkTork ✔Tea time 23:42, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Bhopal disaster[edit]

Bhopal disaster, an article that you may be interested in, has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Gulbenk (talk) 02:58, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Thurston Howell[edit]

Why have you removed my addition?--Wikipietime (talk) 03:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

See Thurston Howell talk page. Sandcherry (talk) 21:57, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thurston Howell III[edit]

Re your statement on that talk page, the requested information along with cites had already been added to the article and yet an editor continued to use the talk page as a circular soapbox, repeating posts & repeating thoughts & re-asking questions that had nothing to do with improving the article. Would welcome knowing what was improper about my close of that particular thread. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 02:00, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Shearonink, although I agree with your comments about Wikitime using the talk page as a soap box, you appear to be an involved editor. Therefore, your use of the “hat” function does not comply with Wikipedia policy as I understand it. Cresix, an uninvolved editor, apparently agreed with you as he/she reverted Wikitime's reversion of your use of the function. If my understanding of this function is incorrect or you do not consider yourself an involved editor in this case, please let me know. Cheers! Sandcherry (talk) 22:17, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
At that point, Wikipietime was disrupting the talkpage and using it against policy as a WP:SOAPBOX, not having an actual discussion about how to improve the article - their question had been asked and answered repeatedly. Though I appreciate your thoughts on this matter, I can find no guideline that states an editor who has posted on a talkpage cannot close a discussion, so I would appreciate the specific guideline that you think I violated.Shearonink (talk) 16:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

This is from the "hidden archive top" or "hat" template:

"This template should only be used by uninvolved editors or administrators in conjunction with the talk page guidelines and relevant advice at refactoring. It should not be used by involved parties to end a discussion over the objections of other editors."

If you were not an involved editor, your use of the template would be acceptable based on Wikipietime's violation of WP:SOAPBOX IMHO. Although an "involved editor" is not defined, I assume it means editors who have posted comments on the talk page. Sandcherry (talk)

It's funny, because on the page I found (Wikipedia:Closing discussions) who can/cannot, who should/should not close discussions is very ephemeral, it would have been helpful for that information to have been included on the actual 'Closing discussions' article. I would have thought an involved editor would be someone who was having a dispute with other/s, and that was what was odd about the editor was arguing, but basically he was only arguing with himself. Oh well, next time, I'll have to hunt up another editor or an administrator and they can then have all the closing fun.Shearonink (talk) 01:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by "closing fun", but enjoy! --Wikipietime (talk) 03:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
I was referring to trying to do the right thing and even though it wasn't exactly wrong maybe it wasn't exactly right either...someone else can do all that the next time a talkpage I have posted on gets stuck in some circular reasoning. Shearonink (talk) 18:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Pharmacology of alcohols[edit]

I noticed that you have removed that section of Alcoholic beverages so I created Pharmacology of alcohols

In case you didn't notice that I added that content to the article from the begining I don't care. Otherwise you should have told me.

Which edit and who are you? Sandcherry (talk) 03:47, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

WVU Edit[edit]

User: has been blanking sections on a few pages, or just outright edit-warring. Other editors have reverted his "edits", so I did as well. Whether "The Mountaineer Jeffersonian" is no longer in print or not doesn't matter as notablity isn't temporary. That section about "The Mountaineer Jeffersonian" can be altered to show the paper is no longer in print. Though, because a website not renewed, I haven't seen anything that would show this is the case. - NeutralhomerTalk • 21:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I revised the media section to show the paper is no longer in print.Sandcherry (talk) 23:16, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Charleston WV...PLEASE help[edit]

OKEY DOKEY, thanks very much for you help with Charleston. At the current time, all of the data I see MIGHT say, this place is a part of area x, is it however a suburb?????? Thats a reach by the barebone definition, please do let me know what I can do to help. Per your suggestion ( a good one by the way) I asked MONTHS AGO, for clarification on the usage of Suburbs...Coal town guy (talk) 18:31, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome. I will research the Charleston and Huntington statistical areas which may settle this particular issue. Sandcherry (talk) 01:59, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Putnum County was moved to the Huntington MSA per Odd, but apparently true... Sandcherry (talk) 23:05, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I must agree........that is at best strange. I still have a problem with the term suburb, BUT then again, thats another issue.Coal town guy (talk) 17:15, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Ethanol Article[edit]

Sandcherry, regarding specifically the lines I have added to the ethanol article, I do not think that they are copyrighted. Honestly, it looks like a preview widely spread on the internet, since similar files are available in several links besides slideshare:

This last link is also available at the publisher's website.

Not helpful - "Not to be confused with Charles Town"[edit]


Why did you undo my undo of AnalogueKid's unnecessary addition

"Not to be confused with Charles Town"

at the Charleston, West Virginia page?

The disclaimer is not needed, is not applicable to Charleston (it is Charles Town that is confused with Charleston, not the other way around), and it muddies the top of the page of a US capital city.

Charles Town's population is approx. 5,300. Charleston--the capital of West Virginia--is a little over 50,000.

Please stick to editing pages the subject of which you are familiar with.

Thank you,

Johnwstreet (talk) 22:50, 14 August 2013 (UTC)John W. Street, Charleston, WV

It is customary to state a reason for removing content. Please do so in the future to avoid having your revisions reverted. Also, assume good faith as the editor may know more about the subject than you. If you are from Charleston, you are probably aware that Charleston and Charles Town along with Charleston, SC are sometimes mixed up by the geographically challenged. Not unlike Moorestown and Morris Town, NJ. Cheers! Sandcherry (talk)
I provided two reasons: the disambiguation does not belong to Charleston, it belongs to Charles Town, WV, and it is itself an addition of confusion to the page. I have lived in Charleston, West Virginia my entire life. In this case, I offer that I know more about the subject than you, unless you, too, have spent 40+ years as a resident of Charleston, West Virginia. Assume good faith that I know the subject at hand better than you. Cheers! Johnwstreet (talk) 23:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)johnwstreet
Mr. Street, in your first two days editing Wikipedia, you edit-warred with editor Neutrality, accused him (or her) and me of bad faith, and claimed to have provided reasons for content deletion when you did not. Quite a start. Be that as it may, welcome to Wikipedia. As Neutrality pointed out to you, no one "owns" any Wiki pages no matter how much expertise they possess or think they possess. Reasonable people differ which makes Wikipedia interesting and sometimes frustrating. And yes, I have more than a passing acquaintance with Charlie West. Sandcherry (talk)


I restored the quotation in Native American mascot controversy, since it is short quote in comparison to the length of the source, needed the original language in order to convey the meaning, and is well within standard practice for fair use. The article contains other examples of such usage.FriendlyFred (talk) 04:10, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Your article submission Wynn Speece[edit]

Hello Sandcherry. It has been over six months since you last edited your article submission, entitled Wynn Speece.

The page will shortly be deleted. If you plan on editing the page to address the issues raised when it was declined and resubmit it, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code. Please note that Articles for Creation is not for indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you want to retrieve it, copy this code: {{subst:Refund/G13|Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Wynn Speece}}, paste it in the edit box at this link, click "Save", and an administrator will in most cases undelete the submission.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Rankersbo (talk) 05:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I created the article Wynn Speece. It has the same name as the article you mentioned.Sandcherry (talk) 02:02, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi, it seems that you created two copies of it and the one that was deleted was some sort of abandoned AfC draft. The above message has nothing to do with the actual article in the encyclopaedia, just the draft. Rankersbo (talk) 07:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
That sounds right. Wynn Speece was my first article and I may have created and orphaned a draft. Thanks for your help. Sandcherry (talk) 01:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Phil Jackson[edit]

I think my addition of the "see also" entry Sports in New York's Capital District for Phil Jackson is relevant, since, according to that article "Jackson won his first championship ring when he guided the Albany Patroons to the 1984 CBA championship." However, if you don't agree, then so be it. Peter Flass (talk) 21:14, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I take your point about the Albany Patroons being relevant and just added them to Phil's list of head coaching positions. The "see also" would be lengthy if similar articles like the one you added were included due to the breadth of his career. However, if you think it has significant relevance, please add it again. Cheers! Sandcherry (talk) 21:32, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
No, I'm good, thanks. Peter Flass (talk) 22:46, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Montrose/Neartown merge[edit]

I responded on my talk page. Thanks Postoak (talk) 00:46, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

February 2014[edit]

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As should you. Including the British or English variant as an alternate for clarity is appropriate in many cases particularly when both are used in the same article. Sandcherry (talk) 23:11, 28 February

west chester, pa[edit]

Hey Sandcherry, Regarding West Chester, PA, I think the item has a place somewhere in the article - do you think there's a better section? I think it speaks to the city's sustainability efforts. Thoughts? Go Phightins! 02:32, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Lutefisk edit[edit]

Hey, is there a particular reason my edit adding a hatnote was "not needed"? Because if people are looking for the band, they might need it to point them there if they just searched for "Lutefisk". Jinkinson talk to me 01:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

There are two lutefisk articles that show up in a wiki search - lutefisk for the fish and lutefisk (band) for the band. Therefore, the hat note seems unneeded as it is unlikely someone would confuse a fish with a band. Cheers! Sandcherry (talk) 23:05, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Alcoholic beverages[edit]

Hello. You reverted my edit that added the beverage template telling me it belonged in the ethanol article. Ethanol is not a beverage. 100% pure ethanol is very different from alcoholic beverages. --Clr324 05:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clr324 (talkcontribs)

correct and that is why the ethanol info box does not belong in the beverage article. Cheers! Sandcherry (talk) 00:33, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm confused, why doesn't a beverage infobox belong in a beverage article? I want to work this out with you because I honestly can't understand but I want to. Clr324 01:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clr324 (talkcontribs)
The beverage template is for individual beverages such as gin, mixed drinks, etc. Sandcherry (talk) 04:44, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Ah, that does make sense. Clr324 (say hi) 04:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Minneapolis-St. Paul[edit]

I would like you to please stop reverting the information I have added to the article Minneapolis–Saint Paul. This is information is valuable to the article and I have spent countless hours trying to find this information. The reasons I have added this information is I believe the article as a whole fails to address is the metropolitan aspect, Minneapolis-St. Paul as you know is not just made up of the two cities but other suburbs too which is what my information provides and explains that sort of information. If you look at similar articles such as Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex or Atlanta metropolitan area they have the exact same information in them and other metropolitan related articles also. You such added a source, now it wouldn't be very encyclopedic to put "If you want a list of suburbs, please visit here." This is site is made to provide people the information they are looking for, not to be redirected to another website that may not even provide the information they are looking for.

Regards, JayJayWhat did I do? 03:12, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Archer Daniels Midland History[edit]

Hi Sandcherry,

You reverted my removal of unreferenced history about a week ago. I didn't respond then because I hoped you would add a ref for the content. If, as you said in your edit summary, the material is copied verbatim from ADM website,' this is a possible WP:copyvio, and independent sources are typically preferred over company sources in any case. Do you have a ref for the content? Dialectric (talk) 13:49, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Dialectric, All good points. I revised the entry to remove WP:copyvio and added a reference. The reference source is from the ADM website until I can find an independent source. Cheers! Sandcherry (talk) 01:09, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


Thank you for thanking me for my edit to Ethanol. DudeWithAFeud (talk) 02:06, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

edit on Tainted Love reverted[edit]

The editing I gave "Tainted Love" wasn't an opinion. It was song lyrics. The lyrics are about being abused in a relationship. Why was the edit reverted? Angela Maureen (talk) 22:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

University of North Dakota[edit]

Hello, Sandcherry - I noticed you reverted my edit on the University of North Dakota page with the comments of "not a newspaper". I never claim to be a newspaper and backed up my 'News Coverage and Controversy' sections with multiple sources. Please let me know as to why you believe the content should not be on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bige010 (talkcontribs) 01:29, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

  • It's a minor event, not of lasting encyclopedic significance. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 01:33, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Bige010, let's keep this in one place--you started it here, so we'll keep it here. What Sandcherry (no doubt) and I meant is that Wikipedia is not a newspaper (WP:NOTNEWS); we're here to give information that is more lasting significance. This is frequently abused, of course, but we need to write content for the ages. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
    • Thanks Drmies - well said. Sandcherry (talk) 03:25, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Disco Kroger[edit]

About this edit summary

It's not "just a Kroger" if it's covered in published sources. Shilcutt wrote an in-depth article here. I will check to see if the Chronicle wrote about it too... WhisperToMe (talk) 04:24, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually somebody wrote about H-E-B here too. Hmm...
WhisperToMe (talk) 04:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
This too... - Actually I think it could be expanded to talk about all of the supermarkets in the Montrose area WhisperToMe (talk) 04:27, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
You are making my point. Including individual chain stores because someone wrote about them would unreasonably lower the inclusion bar IMO.Sandcherry (talk) 04:31, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
"Because someone wrote about it" is more or less the inclusion bar on here. Wikipedia's purpose is to be a tertiary source: documenting what other people write about related to a subject. One other thing: remember Wikipedia:Notability is not talking about internal article content, but whether a topic should have its own article. "The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic should have its own article." WhisperToMe (talk) 04:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Okay, what I did is put something a little bit different - the new paragraph talks about the general state of the supermarket market, what it meant (gentrification), and fears from residents (closings of older stores, loss of neighborhood character, increased traffic). It uses new sources and instead of focusing on one supermarket it focuses upon Montrose itself. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

nothing notable about this stabbing. there are lots of reported stabbings in Houston, none have passed the threshold for inclusion.. This is not true: the stabbing actually meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for a standalone article in terms of its reliable source coverage (I wrote it here: Gabriel Granillo). It got attention because Benton was white and because it happened in Montrose (not a gang ridden area). Also a novel (which meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for a standalone article because of the multiple book reviews) was based off of the stabbing: The Knife and the Butterfly. I feel trying to remove mentions of the stabbing is removing something negative about Montrose. Wikipedia is supposed to cover the good, the bad, and the ugly of any subject and trying to remove negative information with a lasting impact/extensively covered in reliable sources over a number of years (not a one-off thing, in other words not WP:ROUTINE) isn't good for the article. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:49, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Even though the history page needs to mention the stabbing, I also want to make it clear that it's very unusual for this kind of thing to happen in Montrose (that was one of the reasons why it was notable to begin with) WhisperToMe (talk) 06:27, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I edited both sections retaining the key facts (major supermarket chain stores and stabbing with associated movie) and removing extraneous details. Sandcherry (talk) 03:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Montrose v. Neartown[edit]

Gosh... I actually don't know whether the merger should happen (and I'm a Houston native!). I think what might help is to see if there are published articles discussing the definition of "Montrose" and overlap with "Neartown". They can come from the Houston Chronicle, Houston Business Journal, Houstonia, Houston Press, Texas Monthly, or anywhere. An example of definition info may be found at: Third_Ward,_Houston#Boundaries - There isn't even an agreed definition of that!

I'm not opposed to a merger. However I think that if it's done it would be good to get ironclad information on the definition of Montrose from published sources so we have some to cover our butts. There's also Montrose District, Houston as that in and of itself is a doozy! The Chronicle had a map that defined Montrose as a far smaller area than Neartown and I had used that the basis for Montrose's boundaies.

As for the usage of Neartown that can be tracked in newspapers: the Houston Public Library has a database of newspapers which can be accessed with your library card. Once you log into the Chronicle 1985-present section you can search "Neartown" and "Montrose" and compare the results. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2017 (UTC)