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That's great[edit]

You deserve a great big huggy love-fest for that. You made my day. I'm pretty sure that if you go to the AfD and say that you Withdraw nom, someone will close it out for you. I think you might be able to do it yourself, but I have no idea how. I hope you have a really awesome day!! SMSpivey (talk) 22:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Haha, yea, it would be. But hey, I love my archaeology! SMSpivey (talk) 22:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, friend! So, the AfD is still drawing alot of comments for delete, so if you want to withdraw the nom, you should look into doing it soon. SMSpivey (talk) 01:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, it's not this particular AfD that bothers me. If someone wants to remake this list when they have more info, they will. I have a big problem with the PROD-ding of the British Punk bands list. It four years old, consists of wikilinked bands, and is part of a global group of these lists that is clearly organized and tended (see the bottom of that page). I do still think this page's deletion will amount to a case of systemic bias, because there is no way that the British punk band list would be deleted at AfD. Anyway, sorry that this has...grown so much. Hopefully some others will drop in and comment. Maybe I'm wrong, but this...just....seems wrong. Anywho, sincerely, have a good rest of the night! SMSpivey (talk) 05:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


Well, here's an article "completed" today, Indonesia Port Corporations, its a super stub, the 4 corporations, I, II, III and IV operate and govern hundreds of ports, compare Port Authority of Thailand at 7, Saudi Ports Authority at 9, Vietnam Inland Waterways Administration at 4. This bureaucracy is so wide and most all of the many individual port authority sites (that I have looked at) are in Bahasa Indonesia, including the Ministry of Transportation, Indonesia page itself; it's Bahasa Indonesian that one needs to continue with this article, I don't really have it. It is daunting. --Mr Accountable (talk) 05:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


Glenn or Glen Storr? cygnis insignis 12:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC) Ta, I would your dear lady's word over the other contradictory sources. And sorry about that - I've been very distracted ... I'm back on much later, then tomorrow. cygnis insignis 12:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


Sorry, don't really get what you said. What I did in this article can be seen here [1]. I don't do transliteration to the article. I simply add the date of birth and death, place of birth and death, year of reign, and adding categories. I found a good source to add to the article, but it is in Indonesian, and I can't translate it using google (meaning there will be no source in English if I continue adding it). [2] w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 23:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to sound a bit confused, but do you mean this part "(also transliterated Pakubuwana VI)" ? If that is what you mean, I did not add it, and it is visible from the article's history. Also I've checked his immediate predecessor and successor, both of them have the same thing. I think your idea of redirecting might be better, so we can remove those transliteration.w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 23:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I think your apology is excessive (by degrading yourself as an ignorant Australian. Please do not do that kind of apology again, because I feel bad too. BTW, my cousin is australian too. Also in regards of the spelling of the name, before you do the redirect, please consider the name that you are going to use in the main article. As far as I am understand, in "Ejaan Jawa Baku", Javanese sound "O" is spelled as "A", and vice versa (this is per article I read in Javanese Wikipedia [3]). I saw more "Pakubuwono" compared to "Pakubuwana" though. I don't really know which one to use. In case you can't read Javanese, then [4] - this is my failed attempt to discuss the rename of the article of Hamengkubuwana IX to Hamengkubuwono IX in Wikipedia Indonesia. (another similar case is "susilo" vs "susila", "suroboyo" vs "surabaya") Maybe a discussion in WP Indonesia? Otherwise, I'll leave you to decide. w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 08:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I understand I have had to suffer the Imogiri/Imagiri issue a number of times - Soegiri - siapa, atau apa itu? SatuSuro 09:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

lol.... Javanese/Indonesian spelling is too complicated. The president's name is spelled susilo, regardless of pronounciation (should be properly spelled susila in proper javanese spelling). I better stop now before it hurt your brain as it hurts mine. Soegiri (Sugiri) is half of me (my mother's family name), "giri" means mountain (funny, you mentioned Imogiri, which means a mountain as well). I began to use it about 2-3 years ago, but just realised my Wikipedia signature did not have it, so I added it. Tanoto is my father's family name (alternatively Soetanto or Sutanto). W is one of my give name, which hopefully remains a secret. w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 12:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Interesting, because I have a strong connection with Yogya myself. My sister and brother were born in Yogya (me+dad+mom were born in Magelang). My dad is a "Golf friend" of Hamengkubuwono X (they have some photos taken together in golf course). BTW, since you lived near "Merapi", about "Jurang Jero", is it closed permanently? (probably we can add it to the article, because it is/was an attraction. w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 13:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


You might interested in this. --Merbabu (talk) 09:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Date Link[edit]

I read this one. C H J L Discuss 02:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, thanks for your info. I almost forget to say this. Sorry. C H J L Discuss 09:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
LOL! Your Indonesian is good enough, SatuSuro! One of an administrator said that i make some disruptive edits and he/she gave me a warning that i should stop my edits or will be blocked by him/her for an expiry time, i guess i didn't do those admin said! I just removed really unuseful link and fix the wrong words like jst, mnday, or sth., anyway, i will take away from them, just see and make a minor edits for this time. C H J L Discuss 10:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok, i will try on there, can you give the url, please? Google language tool is good, but it can't help me more. LOL! C H J L Discuss 07:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I read in i forget the policy title, but it offers wikipedian who know the red links are not useful can be removed, and i see on Dayak people, the red links on religion section are not important and impossible to make a new article. So, i do that, i guess i'm not do something wrong with this. C H J L Discuss 08:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok SatuSuro, i'll take your advice. C H J L Discuss 08:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


This is interesting: Oldest rock#Oldest terrestrial material. Hesperian 11:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The North Pole is on my list too. It's all exceedingly interesting, even if I do know nothing much about it. Hesperian 11:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Very good. :-) No, I haven't really looked into that one yet. But this is a pretty good place to start. Hesperian 11:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Curious that the position of the site is withheld for conservation reasons, but the location of the mine, battery and well are freely available from the gazetteer. One wonders how hard it would be to find the stroms once one has found the infrastructure, and whether withholding the location would discourage anyone who took the trouble to drive out there.
Also the Heritage Council of Western Australia have screwed up. They have two listings, one for "North Pole", which represents the original nomination for listing on the Register of the National Estate; and a separate listing for "North Pole Geological Site", which represents the name under which the Register ended up listing it. The location is obfuscated in the latter—"40 k WNW of Marble Bar"—but two orders of magnitude more accurate in the former—"35.8km NW from Marble Bar".
Hesperian 12:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I apologise for being so chatty lately. The last few days I have stumbled across so many interesting places in Western Australia. It is criminal that we are so ignorant of them. People drive past incredible wetlands, geological monuments, indigenous heritage sites, etcetera; without a clue of what they are missing; and instead they spend their holidays visiting wineries and cheese factories. (Email to follow on that)

My latest discovery is the Becher Point Wetlands in Rockingham. Less than an hours drive away. A Ramsar site. In 2007 someone published a 697 page book about it! My first thought was "I have to have that book", but it can't be had for less than US$180.

Hesperian 12:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

is that the one on the souther side of Pt Peron and too the north of safety bay, got some photos somewhere of that area must go digging. Gnangarra 12:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
No, it's the point in Port Kennedy. (I'll cc you into this email, and—what the heck—cygnis too.) Hesperian 12:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Becher, by the way, is the old name of the suburb of Port Kennedy. I added what I have offline to the Port Kennedy article, in case it is of any use to anyone. Orderinchaos 18:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


I just read and edited Banten. I noticed that the Javanese and the Javanese language had been totally left out! Cheers. Meursault2004 (talk) 22:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Solo River[edit]

Yeah and now we even have a category for - surrounded by orang gila unfortunately :( SatuSuro 02:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Probably we should move the article first to Solo River as with other articles. Meursault2004 (talk) 07:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I just moved the category. Meursault2004 (talk) 21:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks SatuSuro 02:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


Which articles you refer to, if you mind telling me, so that I can make it better? Kembangraps (talk) 10:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Time feature on your userpage[edit]

Could you do something about the time feature on your userpage, it says am when its pm and vice-versa. It gives the wrong impression to users that don't know about Australian time. Its been like this for some time. Kathleen.wright5 22:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Its looks fine to me, its showing the correct local time and date... Gnangarra 22:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Anyone foolish to visit my user page does so at their own risk :) SatuSuro 02:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Nice joke on user page, should of kept it up there! :) Aaroncrick (Tassie Talk) 11:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey forgot that you guys have finally got daylight saving! Be careful, your curtains and blinds are going to fade (don't ask me how it's any different when there was no daylight saving in WA) and everyone is going to get skin cancer! :0 Aaroncrick (Tassie Talk) 11:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Ahh.. seem to be having a good old time on your user page. BTW I somehow deleted some of your edits, fixed that though. Aaroncrick(talk) 13:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


No, you explained it to me a few days ago, I understood well. Like Rio Grande or Edogawa....hmm, just looked at article Edo River, one of the biggest construction projects in pre-modern history is not really mentioned, nor is the fact that "Edo" was a greatly prevalent, positive value that is very extant to this day. Culturally. ja article is more substantial. ... anyway, sorry myself to sound too critical, I was wondering which of Bengawan Solo or Solo River would be better. All in all, it's a minor detail. --Mr Accountable (talk) 14:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


I don't know what you call a heatwave in Perth, but we're in the middle of a heatwave in Adelaide with the highest temp being 45.7 C on the 28th of January with an expected end on Sunday 8th February. See - 2009 Southeastern Australia heat wave. Kathleen.wright5 21:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Energy in Tas[edit]

Thanks Satusuro.... I didn't create the template, but thought it was in a god awful mess when i saw it. Been gradually going thru it trying to fix everything up. If you know of any external links that will help me in my quest for good information, feel free to throw them my way. Kind regards Wiki ian 05:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
After going through many australian related energy articles i came across Wind power in Victoria and Wind power in Victoria, Australia both are articles (not re-directs) and both contain very much the same info.... who do you ask to merge the articles? Wiki ian 07:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Joop Beek[edit]

[5] --Merbabu (talk) 07:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


Thanks, the Cities banner was an overzealous edit on my part. I've removed the banner.

In En Wikipedia[edit]

Which article? I do not understand... Seulimeung (talk) 03:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I appear to be a clone of someone[edit]

Well, according to this user page. I found it while checking links to one of the pages I link to in my real user page and ... bam! Reminds me of when an editor was once blocked as an impostor of himself. :-) Graham87 13:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

In case your curious, I checked what links to Wikipedia:Historical archive/Wikipedia chat. Graham87 13:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm, I must admit, I didn't take much of a peek at the contribs ... I just heard "list of 50 items", went "gee, that's a lot", and gave up. I'll check out the article. Graham87 13:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
It sounds like he's trying really, really hard to establish notability for himself, but never quite getting there. I think a PROD might be the best action, to avoid the agony of an AFD debate. Graham87 13:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Didn't read your previous msgs till now. Hmmm, a walled garden of hoaxery, perhaps? Graham87 13:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
And ::::The article Australian Business Forum was created by none other than User:Australianbusinessforum. Graham87 13:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
It sounds fishy to me. I've never directly come across something like this, but I'm sure it's happened before. Graham87 14:02, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
So what an Earth do we do with all this garbage? AFD is a more final solution than PROD, even though it's more difficult for everyone involved. It's a bit hard to do a multiple nomination methinks. Ergh! I check what links to some long-forgotten historical page and I find ... this mess! Graham87 14:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately checkuser only goes back a month or two at the most. I'll see what I can do to investigate. Graham87 14:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Well for a start, the Australian Business Forum article mentions that it was cited in The Age, but the only article that mentions it in that newspaper is "Treasurer Swan to meet UK counterpart, which spends exactly one sentence talking about the fact that they'll meet at the ABF. Considering it's allegedly a Melbourne-based organisation, the fact that it's only had a minor mention in Melbourne's major newspaper is a huge, huge concern. Graham87 14:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

This is getting worse by the minute - the ABF article had unrelated spam ad on the talk page - doh! this is getting too much :) ill be off soon! - cheers for the mo SatuSuro 14:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

More self-promo riffraff[edit]

Holy moly! In case you didn't think it could get any worse, see Andrew James Picken on Wikiquote. Graham87 14:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, catch you then. I think Harvie Picken might be borderline notable, and he's the most notable person I've encountered yet on this crusade. I'll be off for the night soon too. Graham87 15:02, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
IMO you've only found tip of the iceberg. ;) I'll send some of the heat from the heat wave we are currently having and see if that will melt it for you. ;) Seriously though if I get some free time I'll try and help out. Bidgee (talk) 15:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Barn start[edit]

thanks for the barn star mate....only my second in 3 years. If you get time check out Aaroncrick's user page and compare it to my own..... tell me your thoughts (particularly the intro and footer).... regards Wiki ian 04:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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note to self[edit]

I already discussed it with them. I did warn meself once, but these ones come off the script for xfd. I reversed a move, so it thinks I created it. I tried prodding it, but that is not allowed! So now it appears on a debate forum, where several or many will waste their time evaluating its merits and investigating its history before deciding that it should have been deleted on sight. The notification on my talk page is sure to confuse some procedural wonk - so I left it. Phew! any questions? :) cygnis insignis 07:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Guruh SP[edit]

I'm on it - watch this redlink turn blue in about half an hour :-) Davidelit (talk) 13:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

No time to do any more - one of those unmissable Indonesian moments is happening - President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is a guest on the chat show Empat Mata hosted by Tukul Arwana. You have to be here :-) Davidelit (talk)


Ok, i will try! C H J L Discuss 07:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Categories question[edit]

I think a list of affected areas would be more suitable. It's probably something people would rather forget once it's all over. -- Longhair\talk 01:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. Let's hope the worst has passed. Thank god we didn't get a spark here. -- Longhair\talk 01:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Blame gets people nowhere. God only knows how many years I've copped the blame for everything around home, and nothing was ever resolved :) -- Longhair\talk 01:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Puteri Indonesia[edit]

I have proposed a move... Davidelit (talk) 09:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Former settlements[edit]

Not sure that I follow your arguments. Israel is in Asia. It's a geographical fact, please have a look at Asia and Copenhagen criteria where the boundaries are defined - Turkey is (mainly) in Asia, so Israel clearly is. Where Israel is included in European organisations (eg, Eurovision), this probably arises from its isolation from its neighbours and the historic links of many Israelis to Europe. The use of "modern Indonesia" refers to its boundaries not when an event occurred. All of these categories refer to geographical areas, not historical period. Thus, Krakatoa "blew" in the 1880s, during Dutch colonial rule, but the location is within the current, modern boundaries of Indonesia. I think that the definition is clear. Scope of these categories is as defined and agreed in an earlier discussion. Folks at 137 (talk) 18:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

The current categories will develop. It's still a matter of identifying articles, but already some cats have been sub-divided and better definition will evolve. I was wary of lots of under-populated categories. Folks at 137 (talk) 07:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


I'm going around thanking people for !voting in my RFA, and I know you dislike thankspam and spam in general, but I have to thank you anyway for your nice words, and of course, for correctly referring to me as a female. If it makes any difference to your anti-spam mentalities, at least I'm not using a template? I can add a wiki-cookie one below if you like though. :) Somno (talk) 04:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, of course the whole reason I went to that meetup was so people would believe I was a real person. Little did they realise that I am an automaton... We haven't worked together on anything lately, BTW, what's up with that? Although that said, I haven't really worked on much lately anyway. Somno (talk) 04:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Gibb River Road[edit]

Hey! Just quick heads up that I wasn't trying to undo you here but rather trying to clean up after our spam buddy. S/he didn't seem to like legit refs and I couldn't quite figure out how to get them back otherwise. Have a good day! StarM 17:04, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

re: welcome back[edit]

Thanks for the re-welcome.. not sure I'm really "back" for real, just more inclined to fix stuff that looks wrong as I come across it. Lots more emphasis on citing sources than in 2006, so that's good to see. CDC (talk) 19:04, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

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id translations[edit]

Hi SatuSoro, I just changed that because it was needed after I standardized the {{Expand Indonesian}} template. (I didn't tag the article in the beginning.) Are you questioning the existence of the {{Expand Indonesian}} template, or just its application to these particular articles? Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, I just revised the template to add a big warning about not applying it to unreferenced articles. Do you suppose this will help solve the problem? Do you believe that the regency articles should all have the tag removed? I could do this if you want, but I know no Indonesian and wasn't the one who applied the tag in the first place... Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey buddy. Hope everything is great down under! I heard its pretty phew! down there at the moment, is it hot where you are? Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Killing cats[edit]

Hey :) I completely forgot that I'd stripped the categories out of my working article in my user space. Well-spotted. - Mark 01:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Gibb River Road[edit]

Hi! Just curious if you'd like to have an eye at these contributions. I think it's Gibb River Road under yet another name, adding some of the same links. Unfortunately my on wiki time is limited during the week and I can't work with the new user. Can you help him/her? I'm also going to let Djanga know. StarM 03:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gene Corp[edit]

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A search for references has failed to find significant coverage in reliable sources in order to comply with notability requirements. This has included web searches for news coverage, books, and journals, which can be seen from the following links:

Gene Corp – news, books, scholar Consequently, this article is about a subject that appears to lack sufficient notability.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

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I've been described as many things here at Wikipedia, but never a lion. Anyway, the facts just didn't line up. It's either a hoax or, as you say, something smelly, like, err, bullshit :) -- Longhair\talk 13:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
In case you didn't already know, there's a {{prod2}} template which endorses the original prod notice. Not that it cannot be simply removed by any editor, but I guess it lets others know there's more than one prodder taking aim :) -- Longhair\talk 13:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:Joop Beek[edit]

Well I am not that familiar with this person, but I've heard stories like that. I mean about the foundation of CSIS. But the rest is indeed cenderung isapan jempol. It is common to scapegoat Christians. So as I am not familiar with this person I cannot comment the article. The alternative is that we should go to the library and borrow the books :-) Meursault2004 (talk) 03:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


I dunno about that, but next the category will be useful for another first ladies article. C H J L Discuss 07:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't have any problems in here. I just removed that i think really unuseful link and impossible to make the article. Just that! My name is Calvin Ho Jiang Liem too, but i think the User:Calvin Ho Jiang Lim is not me. Many people with same name, right? C H J L Discuss 09:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
So? I didn't make any mistakes in here. Why should you call them? C H J L Discuss 14:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Ooh SatuSuro, you are my best relation in Wikipedia. Why you talked to me like that? Do you think my contribs in here just removing red links? They're not, right? I made some articles for WikiProject Indonesia. And you help me so much. C H J L Discuss 14:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
BTW, I was removing a red link in BCA article and i don't know the article is created yet. C H J L Discuss 14:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

York Park GA[edit]

Just letting you know that York Park is now a Good Article. Finally a Tasmanian article (other than the ones on animals) has reached GA standard =). Thanks for all your help and assistance. Tassie Project is not dead yet! (: Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 09:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Probably an abundance of the devils back then. Hopefully someone else can come on board the Tassie project soon as I don't know how much editing I'll be able to do after this year. More important things to focus on I'd imagine. Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 09:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey I think the Launceston, Tasmania, Tasmania and Clarence, Tasmania articles could all get to GA standard by the end of the year. Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 09:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


Do you remember why Calvin Ho Jiang Lim was blocked in the first place? --Merbabu (talk) 09:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Please consider[edit]

Thank you for your notes. Please take note the information given is meant to be indicative that the (old) manuscript is considered popular during that time and originated from wide spread of places (within Malaysia & Indonesia location), most if not all original copies is not longer located in the place it originated but worldwide (German, Holland, US). There is a resurgent discussion/debate at the moment about the said document, and anyone who edit it otherwise; I persume to know better about those matter than the speakers of the said language, and which I care less about. Yosri (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It meant I only add necessary relevent info. Where it is collected from, where it's ended. If anyone think they know better...., I don't care what happen to it afterward. No time/inclination. Anyway, thanks for you notes. :) Yosri (talk) 05:12, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


You have an email. Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 06:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

You just made the number of Tasmanian articles to fix up very depressing! :( To be honest, I'm a bit sick of the Tasmanian article stuff and the longer I stay on here at wikipedia, I'd imagine I'll be doing less and less on Tasmanian articles. I might start editing more cricket articles soon. There's not a lot of movement on articles down here so I'll stay a bit longer =P Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 08:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I should be staying around. I only started editing because it was embarrassing to look at all of Tassie's articles and to see them at such a low standard. Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 09:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Any Tassie articles you think need a clean up? Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 09:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the barnstar mate! Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 19:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll probably start at, Strahan, Zeehan, Queenstown. Strahan will probably be the easiest. Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 02:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do. I Better get back to school work. Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 03:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The article is being reassessed, for some reason. Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 03:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


consider me chastened :) Peripitus (Talk) 11:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Easy going User!!!![edit]

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For always replying to my stupid questions and going that extra mile!!

Out of all the Wiki users i have encountered, you are by far the most approachable.....this is my way of saying thanks. Wiki ian 06:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

And Another[edit]

SpecialBarnstar.png The Special Barnstar
Agree very much with Ian. There is no Barnstar that describes your contributions well enough! You've done an amazing job over so many years. Your not even a Tassie resident but, on nearly all the Tas arts, I see your name in the contributions list. Job very well done. Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 07:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Very easy[edit]

Just like this - it simply gets inserted here SatuSuro 10:11, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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Categories of cities of Indonesia[edit]

Hi, I am thinking on creating Category:Provincial capitals in Indonesia and Category:Regency capitals in Indonesia. The provincial capitals maybe I can do easily, I am not as sure of the regency capitals. If there is any useful comment on this small project, please write at the Accountable talk page. For reference see Category:Capitals of country subdivisions. --Mr Accountable (talk) 08:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

How on earth could I possibly put a new comment above the sheep picture template? It doesn't seem possible to do so. --Mr Accountable (talk) 08:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm a little tired.....No, these categories are very simple, classic main line categories, not much to go wrong. New categories don't have much in them, the popcat tag could be used. It's the details of Indonesia, the basic percentage rate of mislabels and factual attrition of article content, and the fact that the regencies seem to mean more geopolitically. Categories for Banjarmasin, Pontianak, Kepatong, Palambang were created too, new categories of cities should go in not-yet-created province categories. --Mr Accountable (talk) 15:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
The cats are going ok. I know I know a lot more about Indonesia than I thought I did. It is more than interesting. I think maybe Jambi (city) could use a move to Jambi City, but I don't want to go ahead and do so without figuring that people will be pleased or not. --Mr Accountable (talk) 11:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Well. That was easy. There are more Indo cities to disambiguate/simplify, I don't think all of them have the common usage of the newly disambiguated value, viz Jambi City. It will take some consideration. --Mr Accountable (talk) 11:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, what does WP Australia do? All I've managed to do w/Aussie is to categorize some west coast ports to Category:Ports and harbours of the Indian Ocean, incl city of Dampiers. I would continue with it, maybe the topics have a lot of attention already. Mining in Australia has a lot to do with mining in SA, the world's biggest mining countries include US, Canada, Australia, Russia, South Africa, China, India....and Chile. Mining companies and mining interests on the Wikipedia take care of themselves, but its important to development of other topic areas viz building of mining towns and cities, with football practice fields, fast food, noodle stands, beer stores, department stores, ISPs, et al. There's a lot of shipping involved as well, especially through Malacca and Red Sea..... I think Dampiers is a new city or newly established boomtown. Right? --Mr Accountable (talk) 11:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, here's something I managed to do, to create most all the Ministries in Category:Government of Tanzania and Category:Government of Cambodia; lots of VN companies, Category:Companies listed on the Hanoi Securities Trading Center and Category:Companies listed on the Ho Chi Minh Securities Trading Center. And a chart at SET50. It's the most puzzling thing, creating Hai Ha Confectionery, Sara Vietnam and Phnom Penh Commercial Bank, the articles were CSD'd, one of them straight through to rewriting it (PPCB), literally two minutes after article creation. The PPCB article went to DYK after rewriting, with User Paxse. Government ministries of Indo is something I like, but there are a lot more English-free government sites in Indo, (viz Indonesian port authority companies I-IV), it results in many important government ministry start articles. --Mr Accountable (talk) 12:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


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Re the Javanese template - I don't imagine it will be used any time soon. I just worry that other people will have difficulties creating these templates later, so I made many of them. Maybe in a few years there will be a handful of articles worth translating. I don't think there should be any problem with willy-nilly tagging.

And re the text dumps - I do that because that's what I feel is most productive for me to do, and what I enjoy. I am a volunteer. Many people can wikify things. See [6] here for the contributions log of one such user - almost all of these were articles I copy-pasted. Hopefully you're glad we have now articles like Media of Jordan. Please stop being so negative on my talk page; I have been extremely respectful to you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Still there[edit]

Yes, still alive and kicking thanks. Nowhere near the time I used to have to dig in, but them's the breaks. Thewinchester (talk) 07:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Call it bad faith.[edit]

The way Sallykoep speaks, I feel they are just there to give her a bad name. A journalist does not act in the way they do. Call it bad faith. I freely admit i'm abrasive to tools. I follow in the footsteps of Adam Carr :) Timeshift (talk) 12:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

You'll find Adam Carr regularly commenting under 'Adam in Canberra' at Poll Bludger. Timeshift (talk) 12:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Andrew Picken undeleted[edit]

The subject line says it all - the prod was contested. But see my second message here for yet another complication to the story. Graham87 00:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

What on Earth should I do with the 19th century author with the same name who is in the page history? We have two articles about completely different people in the same page. And also see my other links on MBisanz' talk page ... the 19th century author doesn't seem to be especially notable either. Just check out the deletion log for Andrew Picken to see what happend. It's just very, very bizarre. I never checked the deletion log or the deleted edits before this. Graham87 01:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I believe this was some kind of very, very clever ruse to get the article on the writer deleted. Check out the contribs of Ukliterary, Oxonbiokaren and Oxfordlibrarybio1,, note that they all wanted the article moved to "Andrew Douglas Picken (writer)", and that their only contributions on this topic are about the novelist. But the name Andrew Douglas Picken returns no relevant non-Wikipedia results from a Google search, while the name Andrew Picken returns plenty of good results, many of them about the novelist. Graham87 02:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
And here's the smoking gun: check out the contribs of; the only deleted edits by that IP were to Australian Business Forum, a Picken-related article, and were seven minutes or so before the edit about a merge to "Andrew Douglas Picken". Bingo! Graham87 02:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I think so. I'll write a message explaining what happened on the talk page, and ask members of the Australia and literature WikiProjects to keep an eye on it. I am tempted to delete all edits after February 2008, as none of them improved the article, but that wouldn't be a good idea for transparency reasons. Graham87 02:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: GPO[edit]

Hey. Sorry, I have a nasty habit of receiving messages, thinking "I'll reply to that later", then promptly forgetting.

I don't see a problem with there being overlap between the Forrest Place and GPO articles. There's a fair few references in the GPO article which are more relevant to Forrest Place, and could be cannibalised from there.

I've been meaning to write an article about Forrest Chase. All these articles are connected, and there's also the Padbury Buildings too. - Mark 04:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


Cheer up - read this WP:Categories, lists, and navigation templates; and try actually looking at the oft-cited WP:NOT#DIR - people try to delete lists, the guidelines are very overwhelmingly pro-list, and people cite these WPs flagrantly, superficially and blindly. If these guidelines were adhered to it would be well nigh impossible to delete a good list. Main line: "Lists and categories work synergistically." I have stood in at WP:DELT and successfully defended lists using WP:NOT#DIR, whenever a nom is based on WP:NOT#DIR the list is as good as safe. 'cept you actually have to read it. --Mr Accountable (talk) 06:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Ian Dury. --Mr Accountable (talk) 07:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Well I know of it. Thinking to "Rhythm stick", it strikes me that Ian was a bit of an expat. --Mr Accountable (talk) 07:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, maybe, maybe not, that article is ok but too difficult to edit at the moment, due to workload, I took a look at it yesterday and added an official site link, it is a good school, its a great school, I have a lot to do right now. Maybe some other time I will take a good look at it, perhaps try to bring it up to good article status, perhaps there is an interesting DYK to be written about this university. Dunno.
Which do you prefer, Cateory:Padang City; Category:Padang, West Sumatra; or Category:Padang, Indonesia? --Mr Accountable (talk) 07:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Progressive rock[edit]

Zappa always seemed to me to be a wellspring for prog rock - Yes, Rush, maybe Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Eno/Ferry; and new material like Trans Am (band). Though Zappa was a complete musician, the music sounds sloppy in its nature and gives a positive relaxed result to the listener, especially compared to other more mainline music product that had been designed to be so nice. The Carpenters, Jim Croce. Billy Corgan worries about this I think. Staying here in New England in my 40s I find it easy to see hip hop and dub reggae through a prism of the past. So close to here, Warren, Rhode Island is a place with a culture that captures the spirit of those times, I think. Chelmsford, Needham, Hopkinton, Bellingham, life is simple here. I don't mind the place, I just see it different from untraveled folk.

Reading the Zappa autobiography, I remember the time he first tried to record with the London Symphony, the 1st trumpet got so sloshed at lunch, Frank spent 40 hours trying to piece together one long song before calling it quits and moving on. On the other hand, he had long experience with ennui and boredom having grown up near Lancaster CA, near San Bernardino in the Low Desert, a place I lived in for over a year, that I can only imagine is like Australia in every way. Comparing with Bumblebeez "Ride the pony" video, that is.

If you guys are dealing with adhocery, I'm really sorry, I don't mind removing redlinks from suspicious lists, but I had just alphabetized all those private universities and was putting extlinks on the red ones. I'd like to say I'd look after the article at WPINDO levels of care, but what's the point of making a promise that could only be 50% true on first guess? Universities are on a 4th or 5th tier of importance after basic geo, gov and corporate article creation. I'll follow your general trends and suggestions in this, it seems like a wisely-run portal area.

I like labels, like Rififi District, Bristol County, Arusha Region. I can't do without 'em. For African first level geo subdivisions, I just go and transform the few extant non-labeled subdivisions on the way to making a fully populated category viz Category:Districts of Kenya. The Indonesia provinces don't seem to be as manageable viz tranforming all to ________ Province format. The place makes me thoughtful is why I guess.

IN re AGF, I'm a saint of agf, always getting blindsided by CSDs for perfectly notable topics with very nice start articles created: I am maybe too not-liberal for Wikipedia, find it difficult to be anti-corporate in any way (when it comes to company research).

Have a nice day.

--Mr Accountable (talk) 16:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


I'm not very good with sources so I could do with an opinion; is a reliable source? (I'm thinking it should be, because it is used on nearly every major Australian Sports ground article.

and this one; (I'm thinking it's not) Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 07:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't mind when, no rush! Don't blame you on a 37 degree day. Aaroncrick(Tassie talk) 08:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


Just google search. Think of buzz words like "culture wars" ;-) Search reveals this as but one example. Timeshift (talk) 07:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Cockburn Sound[edit]

What's your take on the northern boundary of Cockburn Sound? Some places say the Swan River mouth, others say Woodman Point. I don't have anything hard to quote from. Early journals etc. often seemed to infer that it included all up to the river, but contemporary material says otherwise. Djanga 01:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

ping. Djanga 12:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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Gibb River Road/Mt.Hart[edit]

Our buddy is back but this time started a discussion here. Feel free to chime in. StarM 13:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Map of Australia/Tasmania[edit]

If you have a better map available, by all means, change it, I'm would not be offended at all. The very size of Australia however makes it very hard to create a map that will be recognisable and yet also detailed enough. I gave a map of Tasmania a quick try but most people propably think Tasmania only exists in Warner Brothers cartoons. This said, if a map of Tasmania seems to be the better choice in your eyes, go ahead by all means. EA210269 (talk) 09:13, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Tassie exist, I've been there, I vouch for that. EA210269 (talk) 09:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Sumatera / Sumatra[edit]

Thanks for correcting my errors. Will keep in mind the next time. - Bob K | Talk 10:44, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


I noticed you fixed up the caption of that panoramic photo i uploaded. thanks for that, i also have another panoramic photo including the oval but missing large parts of the town, you reckon thats worth having on the queenstown article instead? Wiki ian 03:34, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


Very grateful for your tips and the links. You are very helpful for a newbie like me! Razzmatazz143 (talk) 07:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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thanks for your tips, all the best Glebesam (talk) 05:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

per phonecon[edit]

Australia–Indonesia relations was what I was thinking of. Djanga 07:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Whicher Range[edit]

I don't have much on it either, same links to oil companies and stuff as you do I suspect but not much on the grographical features. I may have another look about online and see if I can find anything else of use. --Hughesdarren (talk) 07:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I've kicked things off and created the article with the scant geographic/geologic info available online, but I'll have to continue tomorrow after I get some sleep, Cheers --Hughesdarren (talk) 13:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The author above also created Carbunup River, which mentions the range (that I had never of) and a State forest (which I had). That is as much as this geographically challenged ed can come up with. P.S., can you glance over W. J. Rainbow in case it ends up somewhere prominent, like the front page or AfD. Cheers, cygnis insignis 13:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
No, I don't mind at all ;) However, that is not why I asked, I'm too shy to go around spamming people until some poor fellow editor copyedits my miscellanea. And I didn't want to mention, after yer warnin', that that was found by ogling the earth you mention ... ed. My guess, in my ignorance, was that the oil-ng-gas giants hired some unemployed boffin to find an obscure name, for a well known well site to cite for a well-noun, that would make the investors cheer a new development and the public apathetic on the SEP principle. If you follow me. Actually, don't do that, I' m having nightmares about widows, hourglasses and wheat beer from freo. I don't expect you to follow that! See ya when I'm lookin' at ya. cygnis insignis 14:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Moon of Pejeng[edit]

Updated DYK query On March 12, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Moon of Pejeng, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 10:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Pardon delays, meat world stuff. This is great, why did I fail to suggest it? I take what I hear in Ubud with a grain of salt, but this topic was obviously special - like the elephant cave (can't think what the proper name of that was) Cheers! cygnis insignis 13:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh right, I'm on the internet - doh! It is Goa Gajah. cygnis insignis 13:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Only recently created too, spooky. There is a lot more to it since you were there, connecting it up to the Water Temple economy. I notice there is no mention of pachyderm features!? cygnis insignis 14:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Towns etc[edit]

It's not that I don't get the opportunity to often to exercise my area of expertise. Dan arndt (talk) 13:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

id translations[edit]

Again, these were already tagged (this time with the WP:ECHO banner). See Category:Wikipedia featured articles in other languages (Indonesian). Most of these I am detagging (see e.g. [7], [8], etc), and a few I am converting to the new templates. (The templates now have a fa=yes parameter in case anyone cares about this, so as not to disrupt an already existing system.) If you want to detag the rest of the ones in the FAOL category, that is fine with me. Feel free also to detag the ones I have converted. If you want to go to Category:Wikipedia featured articles in other languages you can see other Indonesian languages. Feel free to detag those also. Again, I am just trying to convert things to one consistent system. I don't care if they're tagged or not. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I also asked at WP:VPR if we could mass detag them (which was my proposal) but people opposed me. If you agree with me that the vast majority of the requests are totally worthless, go add your support there for a mass bot detagging. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Ashtamangalam: 'shell script' (sankhalipi)[edit]

ThanX ü
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Re: RecentChanges[edit]

Probably you have to be on an extreme sugar high or something ... I don't know. Some people describe navigating the RecentChanges list with Huggle as like playing a video game. But I dunno how they do it either ... some people have been monitoring that list for years. In the old days, one person could review an entire days' edits using the recent changes - those days are long gone. Graham87 12:04, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The beauty of flagged revisions will be that you'll be able to verify that someone has checked out an edit. Then you can ideally flip down the list and think "OK, users X, Y, and Z have checked out these edits, but these ones haven't been checked yet". Of course that will fall apart in practice ... people will forget/refuse to mark edits as patrolled, and it can sometimes take a good few hours to find out whether an edit is a good one. Graham87 12:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, fair enough ... I wish I had better mobility skills sometimes so I didn't have to rely on a parent as a taxi, so to speak. I just got that barnstar to enhance the reputation I have in real life ... during silent reading at primary school, I would hardly read through fiction and just read Brailled maths books, encyclopedias, atlases, etc. Graham87 12:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Yikes, I just noticed the Grawp vandalism to my user page. It comes with the job of being an admin these days, I suppose. Graham87 03:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Ducking Bankers[edit]

BNI - Bank Negara Indonesia, literally Indonesia State Bank (or State bank of..) is a state-owned commercial bank. BI is the central bank. Just to add to the confusion, BNI did actually act as the central bank for a while in the 1940's and issued currency.... Don't get too stressed about these things. The secret is to spend hours writing obscure articles that you think are interesting but that nobody ever reads (except fellow project members who follow around creating the talk pages and putting the project tags on them - for which, thanks). I've even got a blog about the elections I'm secretly proud of but that nobody reads...and do I care? Davidelit (talk) 15:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Poets etc[edit]

It's not something I'd noticed. Maybe we're watching different poets - I tend to look at those up to WWII and not many of them are self-editing these days. Any names you can think of? If you want to take this off-WP follow the links to my webpage/weblog and email me from there. --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 22:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Let me know if you have any trouble or need some help. As I said though, my expertise (if it lies anywhere at all) doesn't extend to modern Australian poets. --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 04:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


... for the welcome, suggestion and offer of tips. OldYokel (talk) 21:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia Wikiproject[edit]

Regarding the discussion I recently have had with User:Caniago, it was basically just about some minor layout changes to the Indonesia article, which you can read about on Caniago's talk page. I wanted to include List of Indonesia-related topics and Outline of Indonesia in the "see also" section. Right now both of those are linked in Template:Indonesia topics, which is what is currently in the see also section on Indonesia. I have not made any edits to those actual list and outline articles though. You might want to talk to someone from WP:WikiProject Outline of knowledge about the contents of those articles as they are the ones that are working on the outline project. LonelyMarble (talk) 04:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Those two articles could definitely use work. I don't think it hurts much to link them in the Indonesia topics template along with the other links there. That might help improve those articles quicker at least. LonelyMarble (talk) 13:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


I admit Boo Islands probably don't have any RS except if you look on maps, they are there. This is the case with a lot of Indonesian island chains. However, one of the points is that vast swaths of islands in Indonesia are completely missing from Wikipedia. You may think that is ok, but I don't. Nothing has to be said about these islands initially, except simple characteristics. I think people will be daunted to add in information about them, unless the articles already exist, because locating the islands can be a real daunting task otherwise. Adding in island chains in the first step, then adding in islands under them, so we can create an organized and proper hierarchy on wikipedia. They may seem like specks on a map, but realize that these islands support human life. Doseiai2 (talk) 10:30, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Abdul Gani Asyik[edit]

First of all, I don't consider myself a deletionist neither an inclusionist. I think current WP policy is very clear on what is notable and what isn't. I got to this article from NPP which I spend most of my time on. Other than that, most of my edits are WP:RCP. Guy0307 (talk) 02:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Coastal Regions[edit]

I was just having a look, needs a fair ammount of work but I'm not sure if I can find much info (especially online) Sigh... not like rivers.... --Hughesdarren (talk) 13:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: slow down[edit]

Well, as for Hesperian's advice (regarding Huggle), I'm not really using it very actively at the moment. I'm focusing my attention on other projects as was suggested during my RfA.

As for the Suzuki club article, you're right, I probably could have speedied it, but there are times where I tend to be cautious about nominating stuff for CSD when it's questionable whether or not it would qualify for it...again, another issue that was brought up at my RfA. Originally, I tried to CSD it as non-notable, but decided that I couldn't specifically disprove that (or rather, didn't want to). Therefore, I decided to go the safe route and prod it instead. Matt (talk) 03:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Leuser References[edit]

Hi SatuSuro,

Thankyou for your help it is very much appreciated. This article is important to me and I want to get it right. I appreciate all feedback. I will work on my referencing now.

(Leuser500 (talk) 05:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC))

Abdul Gani Asyik[edit]

Thank you very much for your appreciation and your support. It's hard to prove Asyik's notability by Google only. In fact, Asyik is the prominent linguist in Acehnese language and he is the first linguist--if I may say like that--who do almost complete research about Acehnese language. And then Durie follow him. Sorry for my English. ^_^ Seulimeung (talk) 08:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Indonesian villages[edit]

Hello. I don't know why you chose to contact me about that, since I neither speak Indonesian, nor am I actively involved in the Indonesia project. My advice as a member of Pages Needing Translation though would be posting your request for attention on the translation project talk page. When you find Indonesian language village stubs, please place the {{notenglish|Indonesian}} template on them and insert a notice on WP:PNT. The general guidelines on naming are, that a correct transscription into Latin letters should be used for titling articles on foreign language subjects, with simplified redirects that avoid diacritics and such. If the place already has an anglicised name (cf. Munich vs. München), the "English" version should be used as title. De728631 (talk) 09:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I'd be happy to help you guys. I think that there's a consensus on geographical places being notable per se, so including tiny villages isn't necessarily a problem. Falling Rain provides coordinates for even the most remote places on earth and can therefore serve as a reference for the existence of otherwise unknown places. I like to use this page to feed the infobox settlement template, which gives such articles a somewhat more important look than just a one-liner and a stub tag. De728631 (talk) 09:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, if you're getting too much stubs at once, how about redirecting them to the respective group of islands, provinces, etc. and then naming the village in there? I do see the risk of lists being created by this procedure, another unfavourable aspect, but I don't really see a solution for this either. De728631 (talk) 09:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! By the way, please have a look at Prabumulih. If there's some more text on the ID Wiki, Google translations can work wonders. De728631 (talk) 10:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem, I was just trying to point out how one could possibly flesh out some of the one-liners. Reference in English is of course preferable. De728631 (talk) 16:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Indonesian National Football Results[edit]

I understand your comments on my talk page, but please see that the page in question has links to other pages in Wiki, for example 2011 AFC Asian Cup qualification. So if a viewer was interested, then surely they would click on the link to see more valuable information?

Many more nations have their results shown and not linked to other sources on the web, if this was so, the page would be over complicated, whereas other pages on Wiki are used for this scenario.

If you want the page improving, how could it be improved? Their are no English sources available other than stating in an External links area to view etc.

Would appreicate your thoughts, as i wouldn't like to enter more information if the page was suddenly deleted, but generally I'm just tryign to improve the Indonesian articles in footballing terms with factual information that simply cannot be sourced via the web. Druryfire (talk) 10:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem, thank you for your understanding.

I will amend when time permits. Druryfire (talk) 18:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

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North Beach Line[edit]

Must be an AFD candidate. But for what: it's mistitled, incomprehensible and non-notable. Any thoughts? Davidelit (talk) 04:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

and WP:SOURCE. In short, a waste of server space. Davidelit (talk) 04:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


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Sorry, but could you point out some specific articles? I just looked at a few at random and didn't see anything particularly concerning. Thanks, Nick-D (talk) 10:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Mount Lyell Mining and Railway Company[edit]

Even me, living in far away WA, has heared of them. If you are questoning why I removed Category:Copper mines in Australia, its a company and therefore listed under Category:Mining companies of Australia. I've been trying to sort through the mining articles and put them into their right categories, thats why I moved it. A Mount Lyell copper mine article might be needed but there is so many mines in Australia, so much to do! EA210269 (talk) 07:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm - I used to work for them (and have about 20 books about the operations and history) and to create separate articles I would be reuctant at this stage (which Is why I was trying to keep the material together and leave the copper mine stuff and why the text is in the category as well) - too many issues as well - I would still try to keep the material about the mine operation as part of the company - but hell 'Mount Lyell copper mine' is a complete furphy - I wont be able to do much until May on the article - god knows what you and K the canuk will get up to in that time :( SatuSuro 07:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

No worries, I will restore the category and you get done what you can when you can. like I said, writing about mining in Australia is not a quick taks, I'm only doing tiny bits at a time, just WA alone blows you away! To have an article on every active mine here could take years, and then they close on you! Take it easy, enjoy does last days of summer here, EA210269 (talk) 08:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I think, a List of active mines in Western Australia whould be a nice start. EA210269 (talk) 08:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, same, my doggy wants a walk. Regarding the inactive mines, if you can come up with a comprehensive list, the government would propably like to buy that. There was a job going for a Geo here some years back, going out and finding all the old abandoned mine sites and mapping them. The WA government doesn't know where half of them are! EA210269 (talk) 08:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Made a bit of a start with List of active Gold Mines in Western Australia,just humble beginings. EA210269 (talk) 12:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, lost you there! Just change what you think needs changing, working on a map for it right now. EA210269 (talk) 13:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

You mean, it being a list? I know, they're not my favorite either but they can be helpful to determine what you got an article of and what not. See it as a form of inventory. EA210269 (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, bit slow on the pick up. You wouldn't know the coordinates for Telfer by heart? Never mind, I will find them. Have a good one! EA210269 (talk) 13:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Saves me firing up the laptop to get to Google Earth, havn't got it on this computer. You are not a Geo, are you? And I spoke to you!!! Arghhhh!!! EA210269 (talk) 13:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Its not that I got anything against Geo's, its just that I'm married to one. You have a good night, I'm not far from knocking off, too. EA210269 (talk) 13:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I've been reading the external link you added to the list, quite interesting. Anyway, thats my excuse for still being here! EA210269 (talk) 14:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunatly, I can't get her to interessted in wikipedia, she barely shows any interesst in her ongoing PhD! EA210269 (talk) 02:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Tanami is a strange one, it is listed under WA in a number of sources but definetly is in NT. The companies website is under construction, not much there but my assumption is, that their leases stretch into WA, quite possible, considering how close it is and how remote the place is. How else would want to go up there exploring? Anyway, a source is needed to clarify things some more, till then I propose we leave it in the WA section, its on the WA of your source, too. EA210269 (talk) 03:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


I've changed the rating of Hobart to C-class, hopefully you agree with me. Aaroncrick(Tassie Boy talk) 05:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Mount Lyell Mining and Railway Company[edit]

Even me, living in far away WA, has heared of them. If you are questoning why I removed Category:Copper mines in Australia, its a company and therefore listed under Category:Mining companies of Australia. I've been trying to sort through the mining articles and put them into their right categories, thats why I moved it. A Mount Lyell copper mine article might be needed but there is so many mines in Australia, so much to do! EA210269 (talk) 07:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm - I used to work for them (and have about 20 books about the operations and history) and to create separate articles I would be reuctant at this stage (which Is why I was trying to keep the material together and leave the copper mine stuff and why the text is in the category as well) - too many issues as well - I would still try to keep the material about the mine operation as part of the company - but hell 'Mount Lyell copper mine' is a complete furphy - I wont be able to do much until May on the article - god knows what you and K the canuk will get up to in that time :( SatuSuro 07:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

No worries, I will restore the category and you get done what you can when you can. like I said, writing about mining in Australia is not a quick taks, I'm only doing tiny bits at a time, just WA alone blows you away! To have an article on every active mine here could take years, and then they close on you! Take it easy, enjoy does last days of summer here, EA210269 (talk) 08:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I think, a List of active mines in Western Australia whould be a nice start. EA210269 (talk) 08:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, same, my doggy wants a walk. Regarding the inactive mines, if you can come up with a comprehensive list, the government would propably like to buy that. There was a job going for a Geo here some years back, going out and finding all the old abandoned mine sites and mapping them. The WA government doesn't know where half of them are! EA210269 (talk) 08:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Made a bit of a start with List of active Gold Mines in Western Australia,just humble beginings. EA210269 (talk) 12:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, lost you there! Just change what you think needs changing, working on a map for it right now. EA210269 (talk) 13:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

You mean, it being a list? I know, they're not my favorite either but they can be helpful to determine what you got an article of and what not. See it as a form of inventory. EA210269 (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, bit slow on the pick up. You wouldn't know the coordinates for Telfer by heart? Never mind, I will find them. Have a good one! EA210269 (talk) 13:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Saves me firing up the laptop to get to Google Earth, havn't got it on this computer. You are not a Geo, are you? And I spoke to you!!! Arghhhh!!! EA210269 (talk) 13:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Its not that I got anything against Geo's, its just that I'm married to one. You have a good night, I'm not far from knocking off, too. EA210269 (talk) 13:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I've been reading the external link you added to the list, quite interesting. Anyway, thats my excuse for still being here! EA210269 (talk) 14:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunatly, I can't get her to interessted in wikipedia, she barely shows any interesst in her ongoing PhD! EA210269 (talk) 02:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Tanami is a strange one, it is listed under WA in a number of sources but definetly is in NT. The companies website is under construction, not much there but my assumption is, that their leases stretch into WA, quite possible, considering how close it is and how remote the place is. How else would want to go up there exploring? Anyway, a source is needed to clarify things some more, till then I propose we leave it in the WA section, its on the WA of your source, too. EA210269 (talk) 03:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


I've changed the rating of Hobart to C-class, hopefully you agree with me. Aaroncrick(Tassie Boy talk) 05:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

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Bali Festival[edit]

Hi. I've had a look at the updated version of the article and it's certainly better. As you can hopefully appreciate, my PROD was based on the article content at the time. Some of the references given in the current article however may not count as reliable sources - there are two blogs which are, I'm fairly sure, definately not regarded as reliable for WP purposes, and the last two references aren't independent - they should really be there as external links, rather than references. The tone, however, is still very much one of an advert for the event, and it really needs to be rewritten as an encyclopedic article giving it's notability and impact. Cheers. CultureDrone (talk) 22:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't panic! It's been tagged for a couple of issues, so other editors should look at it - or at the least, it's encyclopedic content has been called into question. You can't be responsible for the content of every article in Wikipedia - there comes a point where you just have to relax, take a deep breath, and move onto another article :-) CultureDrone (talk) 09:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Unsigned out of order comment by an IP[edit]

Alexander Pearce Reverts Come now! Everyone knows that it is a commonly used colloquialism, and is culturally significant enough to warrant a mention. And it provides a neat summary of Pearce's life and legend. In short, he ate his mate. Capiche? Now let sleeping additions lie! - message from

Rubbish - responded to IP number at their talk page SatuSuro 14:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It's not anecdote sunshine, it's verifiable fact. Do a Google search on the phrase and you'll find countless references to it. Colloquially, people know you as a moron. There are literally hundreds of people who want this addition made on the page, now stop the irresponsible antagonism towards me personally and behave professionally. The change stays.

"Newbie" and historical expert on Alexander Pearce at ANU (unsigned)

Further patent nonsense from

idle banter[edit]

This old version of MZMcBride's sandbox lists non-administrators by edit count. Hesperian 05:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I remember when Adam Carr believed himself at the top of that list, he declared himself Leader of the Opposition. Hesperian 11:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


Have you seen this "Thundelarra"? There is no such place, is there? --Hughesdarren (talk) 11:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


Yeah lists are not ideal but at least it is progress. I see what you mean about most of these articles on Indonesian wiki. Pretty useless. I definately think a lot of them are worth including but not really worth starting until there is a solid source to add least start them with some data. So lists for now, perhaps some time in the future things will get better. Perhaps if ther eis a source on population and area the lists could be improved and organised by regency and put in a neat table. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Understood and Apology[edit]

re talk:Cinema_of_Indonesia re :usertalk: starstyler Yes, I agree. The remarks were, in hindsight, hostile and unhelpful and I apologise. I have taken my pills and will now behave. Nuwen sewu ya (Javanese for one thousand excuse me's for the nosy peeping tom's)Starstylers (talk) 13:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC) PS- vote Tante Mega!

Uh, hi![edit]

I don't understand the message you just left me. What were you trying to say? Ehque (talk) 15:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Lagi Mensku?[edit]

Constructive critique and saintly patinece much appreciated. Alsdo- any help regarding the tidy up of reflist fopr alun-alun would be hugely appreciated- for some reason what I am nearly certain is correct wiki format is not being displayed when the page is saved. Expect the Pope to phone this week regarding your beatification. Nosy people: lagi mensku means having my period.Starstylers (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the tip, SatuSuro. Ordinary Person (talk) 00:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


I've added (talk · contribs) talk page to my watchlist; they've had more then enough warnings and I'll ban then next time. Nick-D (talk) 01:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

North Coast Wotsit[edit]

Still in process. Watch this space. Davidelit (talk) 07:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Ha ha! Great minds think alike. I've just found the same article. I'm thinking of proposing a merger, with the finished article to read something like "formerly known as the Great Post Road". What do you think? Davidelit (talk) 07:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Merger proposed. Davidelit (talk) 07:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hihihih (flutters eyelids) Oooh Aku lagi Genit mas...[edit]

That means he makes me flirtatious no-lifers No, sadly I am not a female. Would you like me to be? Otherwise I would sit at home wit a trolley full of cucumbers and KY. Adu mas- I almost wet myself hen I read your comment. Aduh.. buset... ketoprak bwanget nih Pak Jawir... (Oh my, goodness, very "ketoprak" humour Mr Javanese for nosy people)Starstylers (talk) 12:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Malay World and Nusantara[edit]

All the material you removed from Malay World that seemed to be an argument regarding Nusantara - do you think any of that material might be more relevant there? SatuSuro 08:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello SatuSuro, obviously "Malay World" can only based on Malay identity, itself determined amongst others by the Malay language. Even that is not enough to determine Malay identity. For instance, the Manado people speak a Malay creole while culturally, they cannot be regarded as "Malays", if only because another factor of Malay identity is Islam.
As far as "Nusantara" is concerned, it is an old Javanese phrase meaning "outer islands" (i. e. in relation to Java). While Indonesians seem to accept it to designate the Indonesian archipelago, there is no evidence that Bruneians, Malaysians, Singaporeans and Malays in Southern Thailand use it. Personally, I don't see the usefulness of the "Nusantara" concept. It is just a substitute word for "Indonesia". Best regards, Djoehana (talk) 15:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Good evening[edit]

I'm Indonesian. The name is Relly Komaruzaman.

Nice to know you in English Wikipedia. Are you Indonesian contributor, aren't you?

Sorry for my English as a foreign language. I'm a learner of English as a third language.

Relly Komaruzaman Talk 13:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Hati hati[edit]

Firstly, I'd like to thank for your warning on my talk page. I'm so sorry if I make any mistake in your wikipedia. Thank for said I'm not understanding in English. (Saya juga orang Indonesia seperti anda yang menjadikan Inggris bahasa ketiga.)

I'm still in learning at wikipedia.

About Takut, I wrote on the article, it is a single because Anggun only sing one song, "Takut". And about 10 tracks, I said that they are "Compilation track listing". Takut juga bisa disebut kompilasi, namun menurut saya lebih cocok disebut singel, karena Anggun hanya merilis satu lagu, sementara 9 track itu bukanlah lagu Anggun alias cuma pelengkap kaset. It also happen on Tua Tua Keladi and Mimpi.


Very slightly better than nothing (arguably)[edit]

Wildflower Society of Western Australia Hesperian 05:22, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Benny Wenda article[edit]

Take you head out of the clouds. Benny Wenda had no involvement in the bombings that you insist on putting in his biog. Why do you think he was granted political asylum by the British Government? Are you saying that the British government provides a safe haven for terrorists????? If so then I suggest you re-think your position as that is a serious allegation that you are making. Please do not let wikipedia be an extension of the Indonesian government propaganda machine against peaceful members of the independence movement. It saddens me that an Australian can be blind to the facts User:Zevion

Category tagging[edit]

Hi, good to meet you too. I'm tagging the categories mainly because I've been blindsided by CfD decisions often enough that I'm happy to invest some time in getting better warning systems in place. Thanks for the pointer on unnecessary {{WPNZ}} parameters; I'll leave them out in the future. -- Avenue (talk) 12:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Tagging cats by bot - I've replied at my talk page. XLerate (talk) 02:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
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Your thoughts? a "derogatory" term for Indonesians "widely used" in Australia?--Merbabu (talk) 11:51, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


Where to start: [9] --Merbabu (talk) 10:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

and, another --Merbabu (talk) 10:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Bung Karno Stadium[edit]

  • I check the reason, add the flag because the succession box did not show the countries. (show the city only, we cannot understand the host country) The flag is not decorative objects! Hoising (talk) 01:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
then the sucession box is at fault. The country name should be written instead. No need for flags. --Merbabu (talk) 01:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
It not overuse because of the unit of the host. Contrary of your idea, wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.Hoising (talk) 02:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I have written the country names instead. We can't assume everyone recognizes countries' flags. Better use words. Problem solved. Cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 02:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Please drop it now - you have reverted - made your point - and shown your english - you are into dangerous territory if you try telling other editors what to do with your level of english - cheers SatuSuro 02:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Okay, drop it now... I am not danger. You are impatience to explain only.Hoising (talk) 04:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  • SatuSuro was in transit/chaos/melbourne on a long weekend/minding two tv addicted teenagers/real world/other places - and I still recovering from the event.

You're welcome[edit]

And thanks for your assistance.Ordinary Person (talk) 03:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


I'll still probably do a bit of work to York Park. Aaroncrick(Tassie Boy talk) 05:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Found some net archives from the Examiner, which was able to fill in holes. Aaroncrick(Tassie Boy talk) 05:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Think I've nearly finished the copy edit, phew.. Aaroncrick(Tassie Boy talk) 06:26, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

BTW, what's the difference between 'Cite News' and 'Cite Web'? And when should they be used, thanks Aaroncrick(Tassie Boy talk) 06:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


If not for his writing of North Coast Road (Java) I would have hit "block user" by now. But he's also spammed a nonsense article across the Singapore-related articles so I'm not going to let him off next time,

P.S. Did anyone consider nominating you for RfA? You look like admin material. (talk) 09:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


Yes, I've been lurking for ages, but too busy to contribute regularly. Can't see myself being to contribute as often as before for a while (kids, work, life, etc) but I'm sure I'll be doing the odd amendment here and there. Seems as if the Indonesia project has run out of steam. Shame. Same as the South East Asia Current Events page. You've been busy as ever though!


--Bwmodular 11:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:Port Phillip Bay[edit]

I was in the "Category Mood" having just setup a heap of subcats to Category:People from Melbourne. I liked the new cat idea and did a quick search. I thought I might be able to add a few articles. I didn't realise just how many it turned out to be! Cuddy Wifter (talk) 21:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

RE: Good to see you[edit]

Just looking around to see how things are going. Good to see you're still active. Cheers Zamphuor (talk) 12:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge templates[edit]

The date syntax is: {{Merge|any other arguments|date=April 2009}}, but if you leave the date off it will be added by a WP:BOT. Rich Farmbrough, 03:48 26 April 2009 (UTC). , best regards, Rich Farmbrough, 03:50 26 April 2009 (UTC).

Papua Conflict[edit]

Hi SatuSuro. I see that Papua Conflict has been created. This article at present is a POV fork, and the material is currently covered in various history articles relating to Papua. I would AfD it, as I don't think it can be salvaged, but I thought I'd get a second opinion - I don't want to rush in and be hasty, as there may be other possible solutions. Mostlyharmless (talk) 05:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

COrrect - there are already at least a dozen articles that cover this and most a re poorly written. We don't need a dozen + one poor articles. Suggest this just gets merged.
For example:
--Merbabu (talk) 05:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Pura Besakih‎[edit]

Thanks for the sources; wish I had them. Cheers, Jack Merridew


Thank you for the Tireless WA Geo Stub worker Barn Star, it is very much appreciated. How did you enjoy your long weekend with the TV addicts? --Hughesdarren (talk) 13:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Long time[edit]

Indeed ... you're right! I think both Old Malay and Kawi have to be trimmed back to stubs. As for Malay based creoles, hmmm ... we need to have reliable literature. But we can also say the same about the former two articles. Meursault2004 (talk) 12:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes of course I am still here :-) Although I have to admit that my frequency is getting lower ... I have other activities. Besides, I got trouble with internet at home. Meursault2004 (talk) 12:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Cat harsis[edit]

I waded through the protocols for doing such a thing, then thought f*** it and boldly went ahead. The term has an art (of my making), so to speak, so I'm pretty comfortable with the notion that it is non-controversial. I'm well, how have ya been? cygnis insignis 16:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Hope you are having a good time. I've been contributing elsewhere, on and offline. Look forward to your visit, its been too long. cygnis insignis
A more or less than polite request for a some bloody refs :) cygnis insignis 23:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
These adverts are making me thirsty! cygnis insignis 00:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Ahem! ... I'm on the non-al apple and rasberry :o cygnis insignis 00:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for notifying... ;-) bye Greetings, Sacca 23:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Your warning Bali Bombing 2002 page[edit]

How do I get a resolution to this issue. I've just tried getting a Request for Comment but that tool doesn't seem to work? What is the procedure for getting something deleted? Regards sc (talk) 06:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


that would be great, thank (talk) 11:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Green box on my user page[edit]

Hi SS - it's not too bad at the moment (I'm almost back to normal, in fact) but I've greatly cut down several of my more stressful activities, including a lot of the admin-type work I do on WP (and sadly I've had to cut down on spicy food, too :(. I'm still here, but spend more of my time just editing than dealing with vandals and the like (in fact, I'm bust trying to get a NZ-related article up to FA standard at the moment. Caversham, New Zealand is almost at the stage of taking to FAC). Grutness...wha? 06:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


I just got this message on my talkpage

Hi, JarrahTree/Archive 36. I'm a spanish wikipedist somehow involved in the article Thylacinus cynocephalus, which now is a FA at the spanish wikipedia. Recently I have been reading an issue of the spanish edition of National Geographic in which was shown a picture of five specimens of T. cynocephalus embryos and pouch youngs. All them belong to the Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery. Obviously we can't use this picture in wikipedia. Well, I know its pretty illusourious of me, but I wonder myself If you could take the pictures in the museum and upload them to wikimedia commons. It'll be so great... If you could, let me know, please. Also I shall be grateful if you could answer me at my userpage at the spanish wikipedia: Gustavocarra. Thanks in advance: --Gustavocarra (talk) 09:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you know of anyone that has these images or is able to take them? Aaroncrick(Tassie Boy talk) 06:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Can find some but it is a long haul SatuSuro 12:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

User warned for advertising[edit]

For your information, Simplyoz was not advertising, but actually correcting a link. Just thought you should know :) fahadsadah (talk,contribs) 15:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: aaaaargh[edit]

Most definitely a beer! Davidelit (talk) 15:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Arief yusmita Prod[edit]

Should we hold off on deleting the redirect until the main article is deleted? Or should the redirect be deleted either way?Greedyhalibut (talk)

San Ku Chu[edit]

Please refer to its discussion page, where I proposed renaming it and was "seconded" by someone who agrees that Okinawan name is not appropriate for entry about SE Asian weapon. Martindo (talk) 04:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


Terima kasih! Ali Munir (talk) 04:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


Are you Indonesian? SwarnaDwipa (talk) 12:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Project tag choice[edit]

I wonder if the Transport project (which seems to be preoccupied with land transport in north america from the main page of the project) is really the appropriate project tag on South east asian maritime straits? SatuSuro 12:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Right from the project description articles on all types of Transport. The maritime straits are major shipping lanes, the Singapore one has 25% of all world shipping according to some sources. Shipping is a form of transport. There is North American bias because most editors are American (USian). (talk) 12:45, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough I think you are choosing the exceeption to fit a project tag - I would disagree with such usage for most straits in the world - I am not going to challenge it - dont be suprised that there is an WP:UNDUE usage issue with such tagging - I certainly would not support tagging all the Indonesian straits being tagged as your claim for the Singapore strait does not follow that all other straits deserve such emphasis SatuSuro 12:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Maritime transport is listed on the Project Page. And I certainly wasn't going to tag all the straits, just the major shipping lanes, which I do not think would be WP:UNDUE, since they are major transport lanes. (talk) 12:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


Hi there, I need your help here. I have add some information together with reference link in Indon article. However, somebody keep reverting claiming not notable. not encyclopedic which I think is his personal opinion as the reference links that I given are major newspaper site and pretty noteable. If he persist, what can I do to stop this. He already reverted me 2 X. Yosri (talk) 16:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Austronesian people[edit]

Please show me where I stated that the Austronesian people is a specific Philippine Article because I never did. The point is, the Austronesian people section about PreHistory clearly states that there is no citations or reliable sources provided and can be challenged for removal.

PinoyFilAmPrideUser talk:PinoyFilAmPride 00:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


Very curious indeed. It happens so often in myself that I'm starting to wonder if it's my guilt ;) Take your time, as I can't edit too much by now. Best wishes: --Gustavocarra (talk) 14:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


No, none in particular. - Biruitorul Talk 16:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

About Indonesian killings of 1965–66[edit]

I was going to ask you earlier but confused Merbabu for you. I didn't realise this until I looked at my contributions and noticed his name.

So here is the message:

I'm pretty noob at wiki editing, so I need your help. I would like to make a suggestion on renaming it to Indonesian Communist Purge of 1965-1966 so as to soften up the harsh title. I don't think that page gets lots of discussions so I would like to ask how it is that I would get support or opposition in renaming the article if there is no one to discuss it with? And how would I get the page moved/renamed?

I also plan to go back to go to id:Museum Satria Mandala the next time I return to Indonesia and this time I plan to bring a camera and spend some time taking photos of everything and I'll upload the photos for use here. I might be able to get some close shots of the old displayed photos. I don't really understand all the licensing of uploads so I'll need someone to point me in the right direction.

I'm also curious, does anyone ever use the WikiProject Indonesia irc channel at all? Because I think this could be very useful, especially since WP Indonesia really lacks members. --Hamster X 08:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you happen to know where I could find those discussions? Because even though it clearly was not a civil war, I know from first hand accounts(my grandparents, heh) that killings were committed by both sides, the military and pro-government and the PKI itself, just like the situation in 1950s-1970s Vietnam where the Viet Minh killed peasants suspected of having sympathy for the Republicans. The article seems to not highlight this, and also doesn't mention Madiun at all other than a brief mention of the Madiun Affair despite the town's reputation at the time as a Communist stronghold. Regarding those books, I would try to obtain them but as I live in Malaysia where everything important seems to be scarce I am not sure if I can get them. I would want to try to find an Indonesian source to check on the different perspective that may be present.
And regarding the museums, I was not referring to it in relations to this topic, sorry for not making that clear. As for Satria Mandala which I briefly visited a number of months ago, the museum content is largely about pre and post Independence, and nothing much about Soeharto. The displays are also mostly from the 1940s, such as a captured P-51 Mustang, lots of different variations Sten submachine guns and also a captured Japanese Zero. I don't see how all this would be "folklore" as you say it. --Hamster X 13:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

There's no need to rush, I'm currently having my exams anyway =/ --Hamster X 14:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

SatuSuro is having real life issues get in the way of wikipedia editing - back soon - SatuSuro 12:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Happy JarrahTree/Archive 36's Day![edit]

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Article about Acehnese People[edit]

Hi, I want to write an article about Acehnese people outside Indonesia. What is the appropriate tittle for this: Overseas Acehnese or Acehnese Diaspora? Thanks. Seulimeung (talk) 04:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


Yair, I really only had two or three passes there, but the second was involved with the Mukinupin premiere at the Playhouse. The pressure mentioned at the top of that Melb. review was applied by Charlie Court himself, no less. But Stephen Barry was not easily scared, and the home-grown sesquicentennial performance went ahead and was well received, to Stephen's very great credit. Bjenks (talk) 15:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Gladly anytime--drop you an email. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 02:08, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

CV at AfD[edit]

It is pretty blatant though... I have nothing against the subject or his goals and aspirations and I make no judgement about his worthiness for public office, but Wikipedia is not the place for such blatant promotion. I would be surprised if the subject wrote the article himself, I doubt a serious political candidate could be that naive to think that sort of article would be anything other than transparent boosterism. Some of the efforts by the LNP candidates at the Queensland election were worse than this one though! -- Mattinbgn\talk 12:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The asbestos issue is notable although I am unsure if the subject has any independent notability of his own. As I said, I saw worse from Nats in Qld last state election but it really ticks me off for some reason. Perhaps you can arrange someone to put your CV up and we will see if it gets kept! :-) "-up" is coming together nicely, especially as the only reason I started writing it was to prove a point; lists of place names can have encyclopedic merit! I have listed -up at T:TDYK and will be interested if the "trivial listcruft" comments come out if it gets on the main page! What would be interesting would be a map showing the -up places in relation to sw WA and contrasting that with a map of "in", "ine" and "ing" places; that would be a image that would tell a story!. Thanks for your help with the article, it is difficult to write about places that you have never been; I don't a feel for the spatial layout of WA like I do for the eastern states. I really need to get over them sometime. :-) Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 12:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

SatuSuro Day[edit]

Congrats on becoming an 'Awesome Wikipedian' even though we all knew you already were! How was Melbourne? Aaroncrick(Tassie Boy talk) 10:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

That's great then. Aaroncrick(Tassie Boy talk) 06:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

"SatuSuro Day": Isn't that a tautology? Like "PIN Number"? Hesperian 07:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: GGS[edit]

Gah ... if it hadn't been for your post on the Aussie Wikipedian's noticeboard, I would've had no idea what you were on about! To be honest I don't care one way or the other ... I used to be an old-fashioned fuddy-duddy who thought that schools shouldn't be in Wikipedia, but I've softened a bit over the years, having begrudgingly accepted the current situation. I rarely touch WA schools except for minor edits, though I thought that this series of edits was funny at the time. I have almost no emotional attachment to my high school, so that explains my apathy about how they're treated on Wikipedia. Graham87 10:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Happy Wiki-birthday[edit]

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Greetings! It looks like you've been on Wikipedia for 4 years today. Happy Wiki-birthday! I hope to see you around for many years to com. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 00:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


I will reinsert some of the comments back into the intro. just thought the intro was a bit too wordy. LibStar (talk) 05:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm fully aware the diff is there. but I never actually read the repetitive comments. check my edit history I'm a genuine user and when I spend my precious time improving articles and removing cruft, I have no time for people that want to prove a point. LibStar (talk) 12:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to defend any accusations against me that are pursued through proper WP channels, not so subtly shifting the subject of an ANI is hardly in the spirit of Wikipedia. I will respond to accusations made through proper channels. LibStar (talk) 13:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Help me[edit]

{{helpme}}Hi, SatuSuro you sent some comments to me to make changes although i have no idea which wikipedia page you are referring toto make changes and what chanes are needed, please advise on which to make revision on as this is unclear. Thankyou, (Howardpark&madfish (talk) 06:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC))HowardPark&Madfish

Removed Links[edit]

Hey SatuSuro, you sent me a "welcome" message warning me about spamming. Last thing I want is to be labeled a spammer. I read through the Guideline on external links article to double check whether the links I was adding were inappropriate and don't feel they are. These are all links to other wiki articles on our site that in my opinion all provided information that wasn't available (or relevant) in the wikipedia article. These are very similar to the countless Wikitravel links you can find throughout Wikipedia. No more or less commercial. Our content is not taken from them and is all contributed by our members. It is all available under CC BY SA license. We have several thousand articles in our guide now, but I'm only linking to the ones that in my opinion provide a good quality addition to the Wikipedia article (see for instance Pitcairn Islands) and are at least as good as the Wikitravel equivalent. So I guess I'm just looking for clarification.. is it simply always inappropriate to add links in multiple articles? Or do you feel the wiki articles on our site do not match the standard? As I really don't feel I have broken any guidelines, I'd appreciate you pointing me to the specific thing I've done wrong? Thanks Daamsie (talk) 02:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your follow up SatuSuro. I'll take it easy for now and won't link anything - rather just focus on content edits. Thanks for your feedback. Daamsie (talk) 10:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Project tags[edit]

I wish I knew. If you're talking specifically about the talk pages of the categories, a lot of projects don't tag those, partially because they don't have parameters in place for categories. If you mean articles, yeah, that is a question. I wish I knew the answer to that one myself. My guess, and it is just a guess, is get one of the bots to do it, and then request members of the project to do the assessments, or try to start some sort of project-wide assessment drive. I'm probably going to do something like that with the Christianity WikiProject as soon as I get a full list of the various categories. I have no idea how long that will take though. I wish I had a good answer, but I don't know of one. Maybe someone on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council would have some more specific ideas. John Carter (talk) 00:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

As you appear to be talking primarily about tagging the talk pages of the extant content categories, yeah, I think it's a good idea too. Particularly if the project uses the new article alerts function. But to get people to do that would probably in a lot of cases involve changing their banners to accomodate Cat-class assessment. It would probably be worth the effort to do so, but, well, so many projects can't even get any real article assessment done that I guess I can see that many might not place much emphasis on the categories. John Carter (talk) 00:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


As I went through it, I was thinking about the issue of whether to translate proper names. I know you seem to be in favour of it (and have been moving pages accordingly), but I reckon we should stick to only using an English name if that is proven to be an accepted term. Eg, Around Indonesia - have you ever seen it called "Around Indonesia"? --Merbabu (talk) 08:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Malaysia–Sweden relations[edit]

Can you peek at Malaysia–Sweden relations and see what you think. I have added references, but it can use some polishing. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Eeesh was the tumor that hideous? Whereabout in northern Wales? I've only visited the north once and that was Llandudno. If I ever leave the Vale it is either western Wales, the valleys or crossing over into England. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

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Givin' the ferret a run[edit]

Not metaphorically. I hope you don't mind. –Moondyne 07:56, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


Hey, long time no hear. Thanks for the article link, that's great. Have been working hard on the AdSteam article in a joint effort. Hopefully it will be completed soon and up on Wikipedia. Good to see that you are still writing. Regards, Spy007au (talk) 10:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

your comment[edit]

thanks. LibStar (talk) 05:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Category:State libraries and archives of Australia[edit]

I made a similar category for Category:State libraries and archives of the United States. Feel free to take the discussion to WP:CfD if you think they should be broken up. --Eastlaw talk ⁄ contribs 20:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Library categories[edit]

I do think that libraries and archives have enough similarities in function that they could be categorised together at an overarching level, although to be honest I am not committed to the idea. Enjoy your break, both today's and your future four-month break. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 02:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Selamat Sore[edit]

Hi. Thought you wouldn't be able to stay away! The most annoying problem at the moment is people changing Indonesia-related articles with unilateral declarations of the presidential election result. Grrr! Davidelit (talk) 13:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


Have been following the issue in the local papers with great interest - was essentially waiting to see how it all played out before making any serious edits to the article. Dan arndt (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Happy Bastille Day![edit]

Dear fellow Wikipedian, on behalf of the Kindness campaign, I just want to wish you a Happy Bastille Day, whether you are French, Republican or not!  :) Happy Editing! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 23:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


While I think of it, yours is sitting on my bookshelf. Don't forget. –Moondyne 14:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


Sure I remember you, my "Indonesian" friend. :) How did you like Kraków? Nice to hear from you again. - Darwinek (talk) 09:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Ha ha, nice. :) In Central Europe the history is so rich, that almost in every bigger town you can find interesting history, and trace famous jailed people. :) I am happy you enjoyed Kraków. - Darwinek (talk) 15:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


Well this user is 12 years old boy. Please do forgive him :-) Meursault2004 (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Most of the times I just AGF. You know, the newcomers are different than the old boys. They tend to be stricter and yes even unfriendlier :-( Speaking about contributors, have you noticed that Hadiyana wants his account to be unblocked? However the turned to the wrong person. Do you think it's okay to help him? I am a Javanese after all :-D Meursault2004 (talk) 22:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
This and this. Meursault2004 (talk) 22:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there not irony in using a form message/template to comment on a user’s communicative strategy? ;-) Having said that, in my experience, the communications problems of people of limited English ability in the Indonesia project don’t actually stem from language barriers, but from them just being, well, “uncommunicative”. If people can string together a few sentences that are comprehensible albeit with garbled grammar - which is usually as bad as it gets - then they can understand what we communicate to them. We all know that people can read a foreign language at a higher level than they can write. Thus, a simple and clear English instruction should be enough – failing to understand that is not a language problem but inability or unwillingness to engage in discourse. For those rare cases where they can't write any (let alone read) English, then they shouldn't be here and their contributions can be removed. --Merbabu (talk) 22:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


  • This matter really seems to have gotten under your skin. I've asked for an uninvolved user to provide a third opinion. I'm not sure where they will reply to it so I am notifying you here. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:11, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Resolved hopefully on an off wiki - apologies to all involved - and soon to be away from this damned cursed keyboard- and on a 36 hour train trip very soon :) SatuSuro 07:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

List cruft...[edit]

Here's one to raise your stress levels. Say, what do you know about the term Malay Archipelago? Any chance you could get Cribb or Merle to advise us on their thoughts? --Merbabu (talk) 13:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


Good to see you back mate. However, what happened to your break? Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 10:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

G'day mate. Good to see ya. Hesperian 23:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back mate. –Moondyne 23:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


Unknown-importance you mean? Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 09:31, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Hmm.. haven't popped into Tassie article for at least 6 months... Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 09:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Yerz perhaps - blame the monkey :P Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 09:41, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
recent weather says it all. Bloody annoying - looks alright in your neck of the woods. I suppose you created a lot of the stubs down here - maybe some drive by customers - anyway interesting that there's more arts here than in SA or NT. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 09:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
More maintenance required. Interestingly the Launnie casino is not notable enough for an article, despite opening guests including Alan Bond and Daryl Somers; Don Lane show also broadcasted the event live. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 09:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Scratched up Hotel Grand Chancellor, Launceston. Remembered tags! Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 04:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


Welcome back. Hmm, not sure what happened re phone number. Sorry about that and shame I missed you. I should finally be getting back to Oz for a vacation in the new year, maybe we can have a Wikiproject:TAS meetup or something?? If anyone is still alive on that project, that is... I hope you had a good trip anyway. 42° South (talk) 12:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Do let me know what your plans are, and if I can help in any specific way. As usual, I tend to tinker here and there, work on something, get bored of it and do something else for a while before going back to the first thing. As Aaroncrick (talk) quite rightly pointed out, it would be good to get some Tassie articles up to GA or even FA status, so if you have a specific plan, keep me in the loop. At the moment, Wikiproject:TAS has three GA articles, and I wrote Hobart coastal defences more or less by myself, so I can do it when I put my mind to it! And before you ask, yes I will finish off Colony of Tasmania shortly. I know you weren't keen, but when it is done, it will look good and make sense, ala the Great Britain articles!

I have been meaning to ask you - you are actually based in WA, right? I just ask because I think there is some stuff for Tassie it would be good to get more photos of to add to Tassie based wiki articles?? I know Aaroncrick is actually in Tassie, but I wasn't sure how often you get there. 42° South (talk) 12:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC) PS - what you doing up so late?!?

I see that you are back and about to return to WP:INA. Well, you told me a while ago that you have lost some trust within Wikipedia's scope. But, it's good to have you back! Why don't we go to WP:INA now, and let's discuss the project's next collaboration project. Cheers! - Boeing7107isdelicious|SPRiCh miT meineN PiloteN 02:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I am always very very suspicious of bold lettering and such assumptions in a talk page item - your user page looks like a suspect mess - and your edit history is short - all very odd.

Well, you told me a while ago that you have lost some trust within Wikipedia's scope - if that is the case - who the hell are you - I cannot remember.

For maintaining WP:AGF or WP:Civility sake:-

  •  !. either point out who you might really be (a sock of who?)
  • 2. I think it is possible maybe you have the wrong talk page

probably if it is the case dont expect further comment - thanks SatuSuro 08:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


Greetings! I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post on your looks awfully...vacant? hope you don't mind. I'm sorry about the WAGR art. It may sound a bit lame but uploading it in that form was the only way I could think to transfer it from my home PC to the one at the place I'm staying for technical reasons. I've reverted to a previous one and intent to finish it off. If you've read it you'll realise it's totally unedited, repetitive and...well, a load of crap really. That's sort of intentional, because it's a first draft. All of that was written straight through, more or less off the top of my head. I don't really want to do the whole thing on my own, but it's an important article and nothing has happened on it in a long time so I thought I'd have a stab. My art won't be finished for about a week yet. It's got a long way to go!

Regards! Corporal29 (talk) 13:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Well I'd certainly be glad for the help. All I know about the WAGR is what I've managed to piece together from all the stuff I've read - so there are some pretty gaping holes in my understanding. I'm not sure how to find your email address? Anyway whatever happens I'm sure you'll be keeping tabs on the art, and it's not like it belongs to me ;P Thanks for all your help! regards, Tim Corporal29 (talk) 13:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, perhaps you could start by listing a few of the lots of little things you disagreed with? That'd be a great help! I can send you my WIP art if you wanted to have a look at it? Obviously no rush in a reply, because I have plenty to be getting on with! Corporal29 (talk) 13:35, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page[edit]

Please - do not respond to anything I said on my talk page.

  • First misunderstanding - if you are involved in wikipedia - no one can tell anyone one else not to go to a specific page unless there is an administrative or arb com directive specifying as such - to not respond to something that accuses me incorrectly of WP:PA is basically saying to me - I have accused you of a PA - but you cannot respond to that - what rubbish!

I do not want to over fill this - my computer is running very slowly and I do not want to take this issue into the Australian Embassy.

  • Second - that any wikipedia editing or comments has anything to do with any national embassy of any sort is yet another odd and misconstrued understanding of issues - if you do not like something I have said - out with it!

Wikipedia problems cannot be taken legally too soon - so to cut a long story short, I would not legally threaten you and any other Wikipedians

  • If you have a grievance about my asking you to reconsider your role in wikipedia - try the normal channels within wikipedia - otherwise you will find yourself blocked faster than you can say Jakarta - legal threats are a no no

As you told me that I have no idea about Wikipedia

  • To dats the evidence (including examples given) suggests that you have a limited understanding of the online- encyclopedia - yes I would say that your understanding is minited - rather than not at all

and that another account considers me using it as MySpace

  • I have no idea what others have put up about you on wikipedia - I do not go deliberately looking for accusations

let's see how you'd feel if you're me. What would you feel, if I posted the similar long line of messages?

  • You are most welcome if they are valid complaints or considerations of my edit history - you have a few years and over 55,000 live edits to consider - I have no problems at all if I am pulled up for what is considered inappropriate behaviour - I have even invited admins at times to monitor my edits at times when I may have doubts about appropriate actions to take.

What would you say, if someone told you that you are using Wikipedia as MySpace?

  • I would have no problem with that - I am not familiar with myspace ( I am a facebook user myself) - however my project tagging (16 %) and my mainspace edits (30 %) have kept ahead of my user talk page edits by about - 20 % - so it would not be true anyway.

Anyway I have never specifically claimed that you have - so whether you have some issue with me about my usage sof wikipedia - I have no idea who accused you of that.

Post it here, not on my talk page. 7107Lecker Tischgespräch, außerdem... 10:02, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

  • You still miss the point - you are contradicting what you say on your own talk page

:On a completely unrelated note, I noticed your "This is a Wikipedia user page" notice, and I feel that the header is mistaken - you should consider replacing it with "user talk". 7107Lecker Tischgespräch, außerdem... 10:05, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

It's a template matter. If you change it to "talkpage" it says a completely different thing. Regards Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 10:13, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Unrelated to the issues brought up at 7107delicious / 7107lecker / and as a consequence similar to the issues brought up at that talk page - in effect an inability to understand what wikipedia is about

specially due the comment at his talk page - "You have no idea what Wikipedia (is) - WP:PA

I would argue that a close reading of most edits by this editor show that this is not a WP:PA by any means - but simply an observation of significant sections of the editing and wording of the previous user name and the current user name - it is also unfortuantely reinforced by the various links and attutde given over by the comments on the user page and at the talk page. Considerable effort by other editors has been made to point out errors that are either ignored or misunderstood, and in most cases not acted upon.

SatuSuro 11:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Fine with me. With the messages stated above, I have no choice but to terminate our relationship within this issue. However, per your persuasions above, and on the talk I will follow them, although not considered to be a restriction, as I am sliding further to the cliff of WikiTrolls, to which I am in the brink of joining them. 7107Lecker Tischgespräch, außerdem... 13:22, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia Conflicts...[edit]

Not sure about your suggestion for an article. My gut feeling would be to keep separate articles and leave any connection between the events to summary articles like History of Indonesia. My reasoning? First the pragmatic - we don't need any more articles at this stage - we are struggling to get any quality into the existing which already overlap in a non-cohesive manner (eg, anything about Papua). I think we should focus on making good what we have currently, rather than opening up new fronts. There is already some linking - Indonesian National Revolution page links Darul Islam and the Madiun Affair, and Orde Baru and Suharto pages link Papuan, Aceh and East Timor. Ie, linked by being on the page of an umbrella topic. And, secondly, on principal I think by linking events we are getting into POV territory - such a linking might be a perfectly reasonable topic for an academic paper, I'm not sure that's what an encyclopaedia is about. Alternatively, we could go down the ubiquitous "List of" route.

No doubt I've missed something fundamental to your proposal, so please let me know. --Merbabu (talk) 00:44, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

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Your inflaming debate with Thejadefalcon is down there! 7107Lecker Tischgespräch, außerdem... 05:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


Since you appear to object to my posting on 7107delicious' talk page, I'll post here. I see multiple things you haven't explained, so I'll go through them with bullet points.

  • What exactly is wrong with my signature? I've got a nice, simple, easy-to-remember name, unlike, say, 4wajzkd02 (just pulling names out here. I've absolutely nothing against the users). So it's not the name that's the problem. Why not complain about Jusdafax or Tiderolls. Their names are nice and colourful. And all four of us actually have their name in their signature, unlike, say, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk), who is named differently in his signature. Same for  arun  talk . SoWhy and Juliancolton | Talk are colourful too. This (The voice oɟ mudI am your voice!!) is the most distracting signature I've ever seen, so I fail to see how mine compares. When I was in the process of creating my signature, I even asked xenotalk about it. So, tell me, why are you the only person to complain in four months? What is wrong with my signature? My name's not the issue, the colouring is simple and easy to read, so what is it?
  • What is wrong about leaving Talkbacks for other users? Since I was the one to comment, and I wanted you to read said comment and answer it, I felt it only logical to use a Tb template. I also fail to see the problem with my commenting there in the first place. In the last few months, I've started to spread my wings as a talk page stalker. So far, I've answered questions from people that have had nothing to do with me, to people who I come across in passing or interact heavily with, and about subjects that I sometimes know about, sometimes don't. Yes, sometimes I mess up. However, that is a fraction of the times that I chip in and I am welcomed by the user whose question I answered and the user whose time I saved from them having to answer it themselves. My last six barnstars (see the bottom of the page) have come, directly or indirectly, from my being a talk page stalker. I have a few stalkers myself and when they answer a question directed at me, I thank them quite happily. I see you have a potential 111 stalkers yourself. Do they not help answer questions directed at you, thereby saving you time? I went to 7107delicious' talk page because it's on my watchlist for some reason (don't remember why). I saw your edit and chipped in my own views on the subject, which no-one has yet complained about (except the vandals, but who cares about them). Anyway, onto the edit itself...
  • If no-one is allowed to go to AN/I unless they are either an admin or part of a discussion, very few people would be there. I wouldn't be as I've never had a thread about me there (to my knowledge, anyway, and if there was, it was so frivilous no-one saw fit to notify me). If no-one can go there until they become an admin, they'll go into AN/I without much knowledge of it and may either a) mess something up or b) simply don't touch it and even fewer would go there. As I said, sometimes an editor who appears out of the blue with no interaction at all is sometimes exactly what a dispute needs to calm down. My talk page stalking ended up with me shutting down a large argument the other day before it got any worse. Why would I not be allowed to help calm something down at AN/I if I felt able to? I also did not "dive into" AN/I. I'm working slowly because I'm aware that the board is an important one. I'm gradually moving from one-time poster to active contributor and, again, no-one is complaining to me about it. You said to read Admin coaching, so I did once more. I can't see where it says not to dive into AN/I. In fact, it encourages knowledge of it: "Further evidence of familiarity comes from contribution to debates such as xFD (above), answering questions and assisting others with their editing of articles. You are encouraged, when you feel ready, to contribute views on policy talk pages, at the village pump policy page, and at WP:ANI; if your comments are helpful and (ideally) insightful, you can earn the respect of other, experienced editors and administrators." And I reread Orderinchaos' comments as well. As far as I can see, he's not saying that you absolutely cannot go onto the policy pages or administrator noticeboards, just that you need to be careful about them until you gain experience with them (of which one major way is to actually do something on them). Finally, what part of this page were you referring to exactly? There's a lot of it.

As far as I can see that's all the issues. I'd appreciate it if you could go through and answer my queries. --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 14:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Learn something everyday[edit]

You can tell I looked at your contribs - just seeing what you've been up to :) I always thought East Indies was just Indonesia but obviously not! Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 06:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Argh ... read through some a couple of days ago; too lazy to read through the rest - fairly amusing actually. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 06:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Including me ;) Actually I'm not in that club anymore! Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 06:34, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Where hard copies fail[edit]

The hard copy index cannot tell you this: Google Books has 30 "results" for Malay archipelago in Merle's book, but not one actually mentions the Malay archipelago - it's consistently "the archipelago". 72 results for "archipelago" but nothing for "malay archipelago" if we throw in the quotation marks. An email to him might help??? --Merbabu (talk) 06:46, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Sialan - Cribb's atlas is not on Google books. Might have to buy it??? --Merbabu (talk) 06:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The problem I see is that a dictionary and encyclopedia being used as a source can be reliable for explaining the intended meaning of the term, but it by no means authoritatively proves that this is the definitive name for the region, as "Australia", "Africa", and "Southeast Asia" are definitive. MA is more like "Indochina" and "Oceania". A dictionary is not going to develop that nuance, and as long as there is a 3RR'er editing along KISS (as they themselves openly admit), then expect the article to be "stupid". --Merbabu (talk) 10:12, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

You do realise that approximately 1/2, or even more, of the region's Malays don't actually live in the Malay archipelago? At least MA is defined in the article. Indeed, the Malay's total population of 20m contrasts with the archipelago's 300m plus. --Merbabu (talk) 12:32, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
PS - that's because most live in that separate region that *is* MSEA. They can chose one or the other. ;-)--Merbabu (talk) 12:35, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Western United States - interesting first sentence. It seems to be able to handle a degree of ambiguity. Even discrete areas. --Merbabu (talk) 13:12, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


I intended Category:Pre-colonial States of Indonesia to be just that, but then there is Pre-colonial Timor - should we change the name to Pre-colonial Indonesia, or should that be Pre-European colonial Indonesia? While the latter may be more precise, I'm leaning towards the former as a better hook. --Merbabu (talk) 10:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

WPMED assessment[edit]

Thanks for tagging some pages that belong to WP:MED. In the future—if you happen to remember it—would you consider using the template's actual name, which is {{WPMED}}, instead of the redirects (e.g., "WikiProject Medicine")?

It's not very important, but pages tagged with one of the redirects are frequently out of date or shouldn't be WPMED tagged at all, and the script I'm using to update them can't be convinced that "WikiProject Medicine" is the same as "WPMED", so it makes a little bit of extra work for me.

Thanks for considering it—and, like I said, it's a minor issue, not something to worry about. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:10, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Wow[edit]

Selamat malam dan terima kasih untuk tolong. Saya tinggal di Candi Dasa dan Salatiga dua sepuluh tahun yang lalu... masih mengerti bahasa Indonesia sedikit. --Geniac (talk) 04:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


I don't have any particular rules now. I started working with this category after noticing that category:Communist Party of the Soviet Union members is HUGE and as it stands rather useless. So I decided to split it into rank-and-file members (but notable in wikipedia for some other reason), top leaders, and possibly some additional. See the ongoing work in Category:Communist Party of the Soviet Union members. Along the way, I noticed that the CPSU category itself can have some polishing as well. - Altenmann >t 18:43, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Death query[edit]

An interesting idea for a project. What are the parameters for including an article talk page to be tagged for inclusion with WP:DEATH? Cirt (talk) 15:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I mean, the scope - articles about assassinations, plot to kill people, suicides, murders, those sorts of things? Cirt (talk) 15:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Ah I see, no worries. But yea, I would not mind hearing the more detailed response, as well. :) Cirt (talk) 15:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps you could give some examples? For instance, would John F. Kennedy assassination fit the scope? Cirt (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so no political assassinations, but I see you are tagging categories related to cult suicide, so that is within the scope? Cirt (talk) 15:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Okay, we can converse later when you have more availability. Cirt (talk) 15:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I can agree with that, that sounds reasonable. Cirt (talk) 15:57, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at User:Cirt/Contributions for a list of my prior content work that I worked hard to get to levels of quality including WP:GA and WP:FA. Cirt (talk) 16:08, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Early life of Ricky Ponting[edit]

It is ok to support this with WP Tasmania isn't it? Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 00:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Is adding that cat to List of international cricket centuries by Ricky Ponting going too far? At least we are getting Tassie GA up with Ponting and Tim Paine. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 00:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
How's your death project going? Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 00:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Good to see that all the Delhi smog is out of the system. Hard to know where to draw the line in the sand with what you tag and what you don't. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 00:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
A slightly unusual question for a heading "Early life of..." :D Orderinchaos 00:36, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Well not really as Early life of Mark and Steve Waugh is not supported by WP NSW. Although I don't think the Monkey is overly keen on project tagging and most cricket arts aren't supported by their states. I think Matt did some but that's it. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 00:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
[ec] What an odd question. Personally, I've been working towards my death since the day I was born. I hope and anticipate a great many more years of work still to come; but somehow I don't much like the idea of anyone collaborating with me on it! Hesperian 00:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I reckon Ponting's elbow would have been feeling quite dead on Wednesday at the WACA. It looked like it'd made a good recovery by yesterday afternoon though. –Moondyne 00:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
welcome to the party folks (and it is not a wake) - oh dear the people you meet when you start tagging a project like the death one - all and sundry :) (and yes some eds seem to have aversions to project tagging - but I cannot stand the red coloured talk page headers - they suggest to me projects that cannot even fold their napkins - but dont let me start I will never get off my talk page :( ) SatuSuro 00:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

And the commonwealth games are going to be there next year - hell - wouldn't be surprised if one collapses. Did you go to other cities such as: Mumbai, Chennai, Nagpur, Kolkata? If you did were they that bad. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 00:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Surprised the Taj Mahal hasn't yet eroded. You should have had a quick stopover in Pakistan - that would have got the heart-rate up. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 01:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Sure thing. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 01:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Well you could have gone to some BIMARU place especially Bihar. Bandit country in a land of pilgrimiage YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 01:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


Merry Christmas, don't drop your laptop in the pool! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Expect the weather will be good as always. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 21:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


Well, got that bloody York Park out of the way! Can only get easier! Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 00:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Careful ... Bit much for me ;) Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 02:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Have you done them all already? Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 05:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Got any book refs for midlands? Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 05:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
A lot of B/C class Tas arts aren't deserving of that particular class. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 05:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Thought that. When the V8s are held there, commentators say they are in Launceston. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 05:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

You don't like your mdashes! Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 06:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

And I hate single sentence paras; I'll blame the editors over at GAN and FAC :) Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 06:48, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Re:New York[edit]

Thanks for that - it'd be interesting to see the place. It wasn't the original reason for that part of my signature, but I've had a couple of people mention the Cafe to me when they've seen the sig. Grutness...wha? 04:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

re Edit Summary[edit]

Sorry, I just felt like it. I wouldn't normally do this. I made an exception because it was vandalism. I shall make sure not to do it at all in future. Munci (talk) 07:04, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Re Indies what confuses me most about the article is the map: Burma and Bhutan are included as part of the Indian Subcontinent but Nepal is not despite Nepal arguably having closer connections to India than other countries nearby due to it being majority Hindu and speaking mostly Indo-Aryan languages in contrast to Bhutan where the major religion is Mahayana Buddhism and most of the languages spoken are of the Sino-Tibetan family. And South East Asia has a colour on the map but no label. Anyway, I should probably go to sleep. Or rather I should have gone to sleep at least seven hours ago. Munci (talk) 07:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

RE: Category pages[edit]

Sorry, won't happen again. --TIAYN (talk) 13:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --TIAYN (talk) 13:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks :D I'll remember this. --TIAYN (talk) 14:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


Erm... what do you think see Cuddy Wifter (talk · contribs) reverting me? here. Already List of Tasmanians. Gmail if you need. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 08:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

West Australian and Tasmanian railway systems[edit]

I think the categories will be left as is since there is no consensus. If you want to start cleaning up the contents, you should be able to get started. Thanks and have fun. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

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Hi SatuSuro, Thanks for the tip i was not aware i will go through and remove the brackets now. have a good christmas SpringSummerAutumn (talk) 07:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC) Fixed it SpringSummerAutumn (talk) 07:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


Is there one available for Freycinet Peninsula. That whole group of article needs to be cleaned up expanded - poor really - got some nice photos to expand off. Aaroncrick (talk) 09:32, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Freycinet Peninsula, Freycinet National Park, Friendly Beaches Reserve, Friendly Beaches Reserve, Great Oyster Bay and Coles Bay, Tasmania all fairly similar. Aaroncrick (talk) 09:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Needs expanding. I'll get a book from a library and expand one day, that could be a while however. Aaroncrick (talk) 09:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


lol. Wet summer and wetter winter! Aaroncrick (talk) 03:38, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Project[edit]

I've noticed you tagging lots of articles; looks good. :) As well as tagging, recruiting users is my next goal. --Geniac (talk) 03:38, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

History of Launceston, Tasmania[edit]

Big oops... wasn't meant to create in article space - at least there is lots of expanding that can be done. Aaroncrick (talk) 05:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Now, Talk:Bell Bay, Tasmania has cleary has its importance assessed, do you just removed the Unknown-importance Tasmania articles cat? Aaroncrick (talk) 11:11, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Lots are like that... Aaroncrick (talk) 11:12, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
duh me! Dw Aaroncrick (talk) 11:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Your tone in your messages on my talk page[edit]

What's with the high tone? Are you mad at me for using Wikipedia as MySpace or something? 7107Lecker Tischgespräch, außerdem... 09:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Hell, man, just leave it, go and enjoy the festive season ;) Aaroncrick (talk) 10:25, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah. I knew I should leave it alone and not continue with a bad wikietiquette. Hey BTW, I heard they had WikiTurkeys here on Wikipedia! SatuSuro told Thejadefalcon a while ago about it. 7107Lecker Tischgespräch, außerdem... 10:28, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Suggesting that I'm a turkey? Aaroncrick (talk) 10:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

FYI, I've noticed the twerp behavior from 7107-whatever and would be glad to chip-in on a discussion about his continued wiki-life. Cheers, Jack Merridew 01:07, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

You called me a twerp, Jack?! 7107delicious Weinachtsgespräch 12:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I referred to your inappropriate behaviour, which is not improving. Sincerely, Jack Merridew 14:41, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


Iya. Memang kenapa ? Erik Evrest (talk) 11:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Saint Peter's Tomb[edit]

OK, the Catholicism tag is part of the Christianity tag because of my trying to integrate all of them. The question of the Vatican City, Rome, and Italy is a good one. I can see having one "Italy" tag with a drop-down for Rome and maybe another for Vatican City, and personally think that would probably be the way to go. Unfortunately, my machine got stolen last night which is likely going to seriously damage my own ability to combine those banners. I don't think this machine even has the tildes to do a signature, so I'm going to have to tell you by hand that this is John Carter. What you might consider doing is asking the Rome project to become a subproject of Italy, or, if it is inactive, just merge the banners yourself. As more or less the only active Vatican member, I don't think that there would be any objections to merging it into the Italy banner either. John Carter


I turned on my wikipedia tonight and found two interesting messages, either one of which could keep me up all night. I just discovered project death and joined because I am interested in (among things) cemetery sculpture. I linked the project to an article Angel of Grief already and am trying to decide what to do next. Somewhere in wikipedia is a list of pyramids in cemeteries that I contributed to - both pictures and examples - and if I (or you) could find that we could link it to out project. Being a newbie I might not quite have the project right in my mind, but that never stopped me before. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 04:59, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay. So here is a list that should be hooked to Project Death and that should appear on the list of list (?) at the bottom of our project page, but I don't understand how to do it. I am an old luddite with many atrophied brain cells. Also many dead ones. Which is one reason that this project appeals to me. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 05:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

Merry Christmas

I wish you Merry and Blessed Christmas. Have a great, happy and peaceful time, my friend, and a productive 2010. - Darwinek (talk) 14:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

To those who make Good Arguments, who are appreciative, or supportive. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 18:12, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear...[edit]

Javanese_Public_Administration --Merbabu (talk) 23:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Welcome and Happy[edit]

Thanks and the same to you. I'll try to think of some more. ;) --candlewicke 01:00, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Stupid and obvious[edit]

[10] --Merbabu (talk) 12:04, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah! --Merbabu (talk) 08:08, 26 December 2009 (UTC)


i dont ignore it, i am still learning here yet you have given me so much knowledge, i can see that Merbabu....

by the way, i prefer putting my opinion first in talk pages before editing, so there is no something wrong about that

yes, i deleted my talk pages because it had too much words, nothing to fear at all..... by the way, you did the same things when seeing your talk pages is very overloaded .... by the way, thanks for visiting me Merbabu,--Mikael07 (talk) 07:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Um, this is SatuSuro's page, not mine. --Merbabu (talk) 07:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Category Watchlist[edit]

Hi, it seems you tried to use my Category Watchlist, but you didn't get to actually use it. Why? Is it unclear how to do that? Should I describe better how to use it? Or do you think I should change something else? Svick (talk) 12:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I tried to make the documentation easier to understand. To start, see the section “First steps”. And it's my fault that you didn't understand how it works, I don't have much experience in writing documentation and creating software for people other than me. Svick (talk) 17:07, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

SE Asia cats[edit]

Hi- I think the NA tags for SE Asia are leftover when the "Category-Class" parameter wasn't in use yet for Template:WPBM. I think there are bots to do the work, but one has to request the "job" from one of the bot designer people. Since there were only about 20 category talk pgs to do, it's easier just to do it manually. Some projects don't use the extended quality scale, and with all the updates made to WPBM, I don't think it's required to leave the NA parameter anymore, at least I haven't seen it used in the past few months for bot work. --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you also! --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Seeing is believing[edit]

The Full Report: Ideas, Loose Ends, Ongoing Projects, and Next Years Goals. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Thats one of the reasons why I asked for the stay of execution. I'm trying to reorganize these groups so that every nation has (in theory) a region that it can be considered a part of. The problem is developing the scheme that everyone can agree to. At the moment what I have here is preliminary, and even if I win over the rest of the coordinators for the reorganization I still need the approval of the project as a whole. Depending on how the reorganization plays out the asia categories and pages may become useful; however, if that turns out to not be the case, then we can axe'em. Right now, owing the holidays, I can not do much of anything because my project members and coordinators are by and large on vacation until after new years. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, and Happy New Year to you! TomStar81 (Talk) 03:53, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year[edit]

Happy New Year! I hope you have a happy, safe and successful year. Bidgee (talk) 00:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy new year and earthquakes[edit]

Happy new year to you too! Yeah the earthquake article is interesting. I can't do too much on it at the moment because I've got other things to fcatch up on. Pity that the Seismicity link is down. Maybe we'll have to use the Wayback Machine. I remember my Mum talking about an earthquake that happened in Perth when I was very young ... probably 1989 or 1990 or so ... do you remember anything about that? Graham87 07:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah you can still use the Pandora archive ... I didn't read your message properly! Graham87 07:48, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Nifty! :-) Graham87 08:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


There is a WikiProject regarding portals at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals. Under the "New portals" section, it says "You may also talk about your idea for a new portal at this project's talk page. We'll be happy to review your idea and help out where we can." --Geniac (talk) 05:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

"Free advice"[edit]

[11] --Merbabu (talk) 09:30, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Good to see you back![edit]

Happy new year to you, too. Good to see you back, I've kept a watch on your talk page and thereby tracked your travels a little. Before you get to confused, I've let my old account lapse for a number of reasons, in case you havn't noticed, and use this one nowadays, virtually only editing Western Australian stuff, especially mining. Anyway, hope you got time to correct any mistakes of mine on the mining related articles, like you did before your wiki break and welcome back. Calistemon (talk) 10:18, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying to get all the gold mines done in the near future, after that, I'm not sure. Other adventures are waiting for me in March (parenthood). In regards to the cats, I find it at times tricky to look through the category "tree", too. Its not always easy to see what the sub category is and whether to list an article in its main and sub category. Keep batteling on! Calistemon (talk) 12:30, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Limits of Oceans and Seas[edit]

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100 Most Influential Western Australians[edit]

Only four to go! :-)

Davidcohen (talk) 14:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


It is always a pleasure to be reminded what I should do! Thank you. BTW, what is this "death tagging"?
B9 hummingbird hovering (talkcontribs) 15:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I have been remiss in not doing my prostrations :-S and I should also return to translating the Longchen Nyingtik Ngondro on Wikiversity. The weather is lovely in Melbourne at the moment and I have not been writing or reading much of late. Have you noticed Charnel ground? I am really enjoying the functionality of Last.FM btw, do you spin tunes via your computer? Dark ambient? Vibrasphere is lovely to work to.
B9 hummingbird hovering (talkcontribs) 15:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

fyi re 7107[edit]

Cheers, Jack Merridew 17:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


I changed the quote on my userpage to something related to both death and ancient philosophy. It seemed rather fitting. -Pollinosisss (talk) 03:09, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think a split of Indonesian Army is necessary yet[edit]

It's only 19-20kb. When it reaches 36 kb, that's the normal time a split to be considered as per the page size guidelines, and it could go over that quite considerably before needing to be split. Let's add lots more referenced data first. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you located in Indonesia, SatuSuro? Conboy's notes in Kopassus list several apparently useful Indonesian books. Are they in bookstores in Jakarta? Buckshot06 (talk) 04:27, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks SatuSuro. I checked your userpage, and the photo caption says Western Australia, but nothing about Perth. Cheers and thanks anyway. Have a great 2010! Buckshot06 (talk) 06:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

They erupt here, they erupt there...[edit]

Have a look at the list on this user page: User:Gubernatoria which is a good heads up. --Merbabu (talk) 02:32, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Number of islands[edit]

Replied on my talkpage. Nathan T 02:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Your note[edit]

Hello... thanks for the heads-up. Looks like someone else dealt with the matter before I came back online. Please feel free to drop me a note any time you need assistance; it's no trouble at all. Cheers. --Ckatzchatspy 05:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi, yep just forgot to blank the page once i had finished. Stony ¿/̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ ̿ 13:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Brighton Transport Hub[edit]

Template talk:Infobox#Intermodal freight transport
Hello again, I've been chatting with another editor on getting an infobox created for Freight terminals such as the Brighton Transport Hub, However this editor is asking for feedback which i alone do not feel confident answering. It would be great if you or anyone else who can be of help can comment on the construction of this infobox. Cheers Wiki ian 11:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Sunda Trench from Java trench[edit]

Gday depsrately searching my watchlist for sign of an active admin - I am trying to move Java Trench to Sunda Trench - but Sunda Trench is already a redirect - is that something you can help me with (i saw a recent edit of about 4 minutes ago) - if I have missed you - sorry to pollute your talk (As I tend to do) -cheers SatuSuro 12:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Stifle (talk) 12:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


Keep up your good work. Hell of a lot cooler down south; however, you may get eaten by the flies! Aaroncrick (talk) 11:12, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Perth's less smoggy today than yesterday at least. Aaroncrick (talk) 11:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Saw on the news that Perth's now had 50 days without rain. Aaroncrick (talk) 06:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Cukup jelas, 'kan?[edit]

[12] --Merbabu (talk) 11:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

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Death project page[edit]

I've been playing around in my user space. User:Pollinosisss/WikiProject_Death What do you think? -Pollinosisss (talk) 13:30, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Death portal[edit]

You can just add one of these to death-related pages... (without the "|break=yes" will leave it wider)

{{Portal|Death|Skull 2.svg|break=yes}}


Or if more than one such link is advised, add one of these... {{portalbox | name1=Death | image1=Skull 2.svg | name2=Death | image2=AllsvanitySmallSquare.jpg | name3=Death | image3=Skull and crossbones vector.svg | name4=Death | image4=Crossbones (PSF).png |break=yes}}

These are in the order of my preference, but I guess any one would work. Carlaude:Talk 14:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Nice, I really like the first one. These portal links are usually found on talk-page project templates right? In the top-right of the religion template for example. -Pollinosisss (talk) 14:34, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes on the talk-page project templates.
Sometimes they are put on article-space template (see Template:Catholicism) if it the same subject, such as this portal and Template:Death.
If you put the portal-flags straight on pages, the WP:MOS says to put them in the "See also" section. Carlaude:Talk 05:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
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Request For Help[edit]

Hello there fello editor, I have spent much time editing the Brighton Bypass article. I recently moved the majority of the information to Southern Transport Investment Program as the information on Brighton Bypass was becoming fragmented and irrelevant to the article itself. I am still not satisfied with the results. Can you offer any suggestions on the matter? Wiki ian 13:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Same as above, except I have now also created a page for the Brighton Transport Hub. I just want some editors to go over these pages informing me where improvments can be made, and whether it was right of me to move the bulk of infomation from the Brighton Bypass to the Southern Transport Investment Program? it made sense at the time, but now i'm not so sure. Cheers Wiki ian 07:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Bunker Bay[edit]

Is Bunker Bay worthy of an article? There is already article for: Cape Naturaliste, Dunsborough, Western Australia (town with food supplies: Coles and IGA) and Busselton, Western Australia, along with the rest of the Margaret River articles nevertheless. I have never seen so many flies in my life. They suposidly breed at the back of Dunsborough and peak around Christmas, however. Shame really cause even though you wear those stupid looking head-nets, they still get to you. And you can't enjoy the warm weather by eating outside, as 20 of the lil' suckers will be on you at once. Anyhow a very nice area - remarkably similar to Tasmania - just a lot warmer and drier in Summer. Aaroncrick (talk) 02:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and make sure you have as must rest as possible after your fire-fighting efforts. At least the weather has cooled down significantly - cooler than Hobart, something that's a rare event. Even Strahan's 35 - which is remarkable - anyhow it will be raining and 15 in a few days. Aaroncrick (talk) 02:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Anytime :) Aaroncrick (talk) 07:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Nice ;) I'm guessing you lived in Perth then? And the area may have changed a bit? Aaroncrick (talk) 07:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Hah, had a swim at BB this morning. Never thought to take a photo. –Moondyne 14:28, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
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Tasmanian Railways[edit]

After Your last message about the poor quality of Tasmania's railways, i started collected information for a possilbe main line article. I have taken the time to complete a template located in my sand box, however i'm not sure about finer details for this template (ie should i have all the old Stations listed) could you take a look at it and give me some feed back. Thanks mate Wiki ian 02:36, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
First Draft complete. Main Line, Tasmania Wiki ian 12:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I have just completed a Template for the Emu Bay Railway Line, however there are several points on the route map which i cant identify. They are either River/creek crossings or more importantly Stations. I have included the coordinates on the template. All you need to do is copy and paste into google maps, I only ask because you seem to have good knowledge of the west coast area. Thankyou for your time Wiki ian 00:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
How would we exchange emails? I dont really want to throw my email around Wikipedia, as once its on here, it here for good (via edit History). Wiki ian 03:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
You can email me from my talk page....i'm sorry but i still can't figure out how to email you :( i was not the one who changed the gauge to CAPE. The user who has been helping me with the templates, Sameboat made those changes, I'd never heard of cape gauge before 2 days ago. Wiki ian 04:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello again my Wikipedia friend. I read a recent report on Tasmania's rail operations, and on page 3 it names all the lines still in use today. I did not see Emu Bay Line but rather Melba Line. After reading this i thought it was logical to have an article for every major line in use today (including its history), and thought readers may not understand that the old Emu bay line is now the melba line, i could split the articles, but personally I believe they should stay as one. Maybe i could go into more detail on the line's history, or even better - maybe there should be a seperate article for the company "Emu bay railway" and not the line. What do you think? i really don't want to leave it as it was before as i dont think there is enough information on Wikipedia for the Tassie Lines and trains of today. All the route maps i've created so far include the majority of spur lines that once existed and the layout of todays lines, so people reading can make sense what was and what is. I'm sorry you dont like what I've done but i really don't think its right to just revert it back to the way it was. Wiki ian 13:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Very good point, the melba line stops at Melba Flats and not at Zeehan as the Emu Bay Line did (I think some detail on that point is essential). I think a seperate article for the Emu Bay Rail company is a very good idea (keep the lines with the lines & the companys with the companys) but ultimately I'm not the one with 59,000 edits+, so naturally i trust your judgement. (given you know how i feel on this) How do you think we should proceed with this matter? Wiki ian 13:23, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
While its fresh on my mind i should tell you after reading that report i noticed the old lines aren't in the exact configuration as the new ones (eg Launceston and western line started at launceston, now as the western line, it starts at Western junction and the bell bay line ends at western junction). So if/when you notice the templates i'm currently altering you'll know whats happened. I'm also gathering infomation for a bell bay line article as i've found enough sources for it and i think its arguably the most important line in the state at present(with the ports expansion and its relationship to the freight corridors in the south. Wiki ian 13:38, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
agreed, I'll start splitting the company from the line(but be sure to link them both together very well) in the next couple of days and try to emphasis that the melba line and the emu bay line (while on the same track) end in different locations. Wiki ian 13:51, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I think the stopping places is long as we're not confusing that with a route map.....only a route map should be on the melba line(in my opinion). Wiki ian 15:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Saint Sava[edit]

Thanks a lot for fix some mistakes in Saint Sava article. I plan to write it seriously so thanks for help again :)--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 10:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I opened subpage User:Vojvodaen/Saint Sava where I plann to write so, if you have time, please visit :) Also I have two questions: 1 is introduction part of Saint Sava article long enought and 2 I plan to use mostly literature on Serbian language for this article. Is that OK? Best wishes and I hope that you will visit Serbia.--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 15:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Have you seen my message?--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 10:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
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Shipwrecks and Ships merger discussion.[edit]

Hello. I'm posting this notice here since you're listed as a member of the Shipwrecks project. A merge proposal has been suggested on the project talk page here. Suggestions and ideas are welcome. Thanks. --Brad (talk) 23:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

No medal needed, I'm greatly enjoying the writing and learning about gold mines in WA, I think, gold mining is such an integral part of this states history, more so then anywhere else in Australia. It's just a shame that there so little information around and whats there is pretty spread out. Anyway, thanks for the praise, it means a fair bit when it comes from such a long-time editor as you. Calistemon (talk) 10:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm currently writing about the Davyhurst Gold Mine, the whole Michael Kiernan story just blows my mind away, I had no idea! Have a look at User:Calistemon/Gold Mine or just read that! Calistemon (talk) 13:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Not the bloke you want to go to school with. He would nick your lunch and sell it back to you and then ask to be seen as a hero for saving you from starvation! He almost deserves an article on Wikipedia, WA con men of the century! Calistemon (talk) 13:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Milo Minderbinder - not the first and not the last :) that wa has had SatuSuro 13:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Great book, Catch 22. If you start Gold mining in WA, I will certainly help out, I think that article is long overdue! Calistemon (talk) 13:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Knocking off now, tomorrow is another busy day of keeping a rusty old gold mine running. Looking forward to seeing Gold mining in WA poping up in the next couple of days. By the way, the latest Western Australian Mineral and Petroleum statistisc digest - 2008-09 is online, downloaded it two days ago. Calistemon (talk) 13:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

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NP my new friend..If you need anything just let me know!!...Buzzzsherman (talk) 01:44, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Lol i have been woring here for 15 years now )..I have no clue about any automated things ...Buzzzsherman (talk) 01:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


It wasn't an attempt to save it - I personally agree with the merge vote. But someone tagged it as a dead end, so I fixed that for the unlikely event it might be salvageable. Don't take it as a disagreement with what you want to do. Katharineamy (talk) 01:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


thank you,, yeah.,...... i am currently reading the instruction here, wow, it's a lot !!! haha--Andiningrat (talk) 12:04, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Gold mining in WA[edit]

I'm bush, sort of, but even minesite camps have the internet nowadays. Calistemon (talk) 13:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

It's a naming dilema. Its often called Firmiston open pit, too. But Golden Mile is also a common name for it. The Australian Mines Handbook however lists it as Super Pit but uses both other names in its entry, too. I might change the wording under the picture to Golden Mile. Are you happy with that? Calistemon (talk) 13:15, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
The problem is, that the current Super Pit article (not started by me) contains very little references and sources regarding the operations history. Unless you dig up something reliable, its better not to have any. I have to admit, I haven't put much into that article, to much else to do. Calistemon (talk) 13:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I got a book from Rocky library last week, Mining Towns of Western Australia, but I left it at home, I have to dig through it some time soon, I reckon it might be a little treasure. Calistemon (talk) 13:29, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
No worries, just pick a day I'm not on site, which is six out of fourteen, usually. Calistemon (talk) 13:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Stopping Places on the Emu bay and melba articles[edit]

I would support stopping places at both..... the melba line - as it describes where the line went in the past (and may make more sense of the route map), and also the company's....however we may need to reword the companys stopping places so it sounds less like a railway line and more like an area that a company serves? what do you think? its not late...its Wiki ian 15:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I've just looked at the melba line....and i think what you've done with stopping places is perfect :) Wiki ian 15:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


Could you be more specific? Supertouch (talk) 03:08, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I meant which article. And how am I responsible for the loss material if I did this out of order as you claim? Supertouch (talk) 03:13, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Again, which article? I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused, but why can't you simply undo what I may done? Supertouch (talk) 03:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I found this to be a valuable resource in the transliteration of Arabic: [13]. Also, regarding the notes before or after references it seems there is some ambiguity: Wikipedia:Layout#Notes and References. Supertouch (talk) 03:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi. Happy New Year. I spotted the SCTV rubbish and deleted the new stuff, but couldn't face anouther regouge, having done TVRI, RCTI, TPI (Indonesia and Seputar Indonesia in recent days. And why would anybody try to edit Wikipedia in a language they don't speak? Davidelit (Talk) 11:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Groote Oost labeling[edit]

Greetings, I had indeed read Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia#Great_East, and understood from that that Groote Oost would be the preferred title due to its being a proper name, and also awfully generic if translated into English. Should it turn out that Great East is indeed preferred, it'll be easy to change back just by going to the Great East redirect and putting up {{db|1=Pls delete for move from [[Groote Oost]], as this is the correct title per [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia#Great_East]] }}.

In any case, I have been following the discussion about my creation of Dutch Indonesian stubs from, just was holding my peace until I got a better feel for what folks actually wanted. Also went back to focusing on some of the German history articles, since my method is less controversial over at that WikiProject. In any case, I did want to mention that I appreciate your help in bringing articles into project standards, but I do submit that many of the articles I moved over really were lacking on, and mining for ideas and to create interwiki links is a valid preliminary method for getting concept coverage. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:06, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


I'm not well informed on the history of west coast rail transport (with the exception of the Mt Lyell Company), so i would need your help with references and information if i were to participate in that area. However after seeing the list you gave me on stopping places on the lines, i feel i could be of some help in this area. However i did see stopping places for some of the lines here. Do they both match up? Also one thing that was of concern to me is finding the right spot for a stopping place on the templates I've created (without putting a current river/road crossing in the wrong spot) of these new station additions. Ideas? Wiki ian 21:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
after changing the name of the Launceston and Western Railway to the western line, I'm wondering if there should be a seperate article for the company that created it.... or are they fine as 1 article..... this could also be considered for the south/main line and its creators. Wiki ian 21:43, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I have now created {{Bell Bay Line}}, tell me what you think, a basic article on the railway line itself will follow soon. Wiki ian 05:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
fixed, however the quality of the source is poor and makes little reference of the old station. However i walk past it most days and its clear that the museum used to be a station. Pherhaps you have some sources on this tucked away in your big basket of train info? Wiki ian 10:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


Not really interested in doing so. The only reason I put Regions of Asia up for AfD was because IP users were massively vandalizing the page and it would have been redundant of other pages if it was fixed. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Trams in Hobart[edit]

Whoops. I really should have read at the top where it quite clearly said that before I made the edit. Whoops. Maybe I have removed it before anyone else notices! I was trying to add to a wikiproject trains/new articles page, in the hope of getting a rating out of them. I take it from the amount of edits you have made since i last logged on that Trams in Hobart has provoked some interest? Fascinating subject! 42° South (talk) 17:15, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Lonnie History[edit]

Needs deleting. Aaroncrick (talk) 23:52, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Redundant and unnecessary the way it is. Aaroncrick (talk) 23:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
fanatical deletionist ... nah Aaroncrick (talk) 10:39, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


Was playing cricket today at Invermay Park behind York Park and a tram went past a few times. I don't know what it was doing .... Never seen one in operation at the Inveresk and York Park Precinct. Aaroncrick (talk) 05:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

We're not all as smart as you! :) Aaroncrick (talk) 20:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Tasmanian devil: a unique and threatened animal uses lower case throughout the book. Aaroncrick (talk) 21:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I've got the book somewhere - very in-depth - just showing you what it looks like, silly bugger. Aaroncrick (talk) 23:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Man, I guess your not going to be a fan of E-books, haha. Aaroncrick (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Wineglass doesn't even have a history section. I guess I could get out a Tas National Park book from the library. Aaroncrick (talk)


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What have i done wrong on Iron Blow with the Coordinates? I typed in -42.068171,145.590756 on the article, however when you click on the link it takes you to somewhere near lake st. clair? Wiki ian 02:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Claremont Oval image[edit]

I've taken a pic (as per the request on the Perth photos page) that can be used for the article...will you put it up if I email it to you? Davidcohen (talk) 07:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Tasmanian places[edit]

Hello, thanks for your encouragement. Re your comment elsewhere all bounded Tasmanian localities are called SUBURBS (in official use, if not common use), see . The status at the moment is that all places in Category:Towns in Tasmania except Dundas and Doo Town are official (and I've edited those two to reflect). Seven places in Category:Suburbs of Hobart are not official suburbs (they are neighbourhoods or geographical features or non-existent) and I will do something with those shortly. I have created a new category Category:Suburbs of Launceston, Tasmania which fits in with the practice in the other states; maybe this should be a sub-category of Towns in Tasmania?? Regards (Crusoe8181 (talk) 03:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)).

Nice cemetery list[edit]

This is the nicest cemetery list I've seen so far. What do you think? -Pollinosisss (talk) 09:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

How many cemeteries do you think a country should have before a list is worth undertaking? -Pollinosisss (talk) 00:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Taman Sari[edit]

Great start indeed. I agree with your observations as well. I was wondering if there is any prize for ambitious and talented newcommers. Elekhh (talk) 01:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

No rain[edit]

How long now? - About 65 days? —Aaroncrick (talk) 10:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks on target. Actually it did rain a bit one night, but obviously not enough to register. It rained a bit in BB. We're talkin' miniscule amounts here. —Aaroncrick (talk) 10:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

A Bit of Information[edit]

Hello, fellow Wikipedian!

Just a friendly piece of information: while reading a message you left on another person's talk page, I noticed that you mentioned that you would have to go back and rewrite some information. On Wikipedia, nothing is ever deleted. You can navigate to and view previous versions of any page with the tabs located at the top of a page. For example, on the 16 January, your user page looked like this:

Death template[edit]

Thanks for the message. I've added WT:DEATH to my watchlist, and I'll jump in if I feel I have anything I want to add. Jheald (talk) 13:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


I dropped by to see how you are doing, saw the above so I am leaving a smile.—Sandahl () 16:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


There we go, you've got us an image; now for inline refs. Are the parks still and sidewalks in Perth still fairly green? You must use a hell of a lot of bore water. Must say the open grassy space near the city and next to the Swan looked inviting for a bike ride and a hit of cricket - amazingly picturesque. —Aaroncrick (talk) 10:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --Why why why why why (talk) 02:31, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Nuvola apps important.svg Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Why why why why why (talk) 12:11, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

This can't be taken seriously. After 27 edits you nominated a feature portal for deletion. Then when SatuSuro gently explained the problem with this, you start firing block warnings and call for editor assistance. That's just disruptive. --Merbabu (talk) 13:01, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
I would agree with Merbabu's characterisation of the situation. No administrator would take this seriously - you're basically saying you want SatuSuro blocked for disagreeing with you. Orderinchaos 23:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Please back up your statements with facts. Answer me these questions and don't change the subject:
    • "No administrator would take this seriously" - did you take a survey of all administrators? If not, how did you know this? From experience? And your experience cannot be wrong, eh?
    • "After 27 edits you nominated a feature [sic] portal for deletion." Portal:Indonesia is not a featured portal. And why does the number of edits matter? Can you point out an official Wikipedia rule that states that anyone with 27 edits cannot nominate a portal for deletion? If there is really such a rule, why does the software not prevent me from doing so?
    • "You're basically saying you want SatuSuro blocked for disagreeing with you" - please don't put words in my mouth, and I won't put words in yours. You're basically saying that you discriminate people based on the number of edits that they have done.
  • I was of the opinion that Portal:Indonesia should be deleted. SatuSuro does not agree with me. I can respect that. But SatuSuro does not stop there. He started posting warnings on my personal page.
  • The deletion debate resulted in a speedy keep, and I honor the community's decision. I never sent a protest and was ready to let it go and move on. But SatuSuro came to me unprovoked and wanted to start a discussion in a very unfriendly manner. I should assume good faith? How about SatuSuro assuming my good faith? Oh right, can't have that since I have only edited 27 times. You won, okay? I lost. --Why why why why why (talk) 11:48, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Re the final comment to me - I am not discriminating against you because you have a small number of edits (although that and your proficiency does raise questions in my mind about WP:SOCK and whether we've seen you before, and I have at least one former user in mind) but because you have behaved disruptively. I have taken on editors with more edits than me in much the same fashion without much issue when they have behaved disruptively. Orderinchaos 14:44, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, thank you very much! You're my favorite sysop. The way you ignore the questions you can't answer is very commendable. Also, when you did answer the one question, you did not use facts but again, your gut feeling! I bow to your infinite wisdom, o mighty one. --Why why why why why (talk) 19:44, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Stop wasting editors time by causing conflict, Why why why why why. Be realistic, there is no way that a Portal would be deleted on such an important country. Are you implying that all other country portals that aren't featured be deleted? And calling SatuSuro or VS an "arrogant prick" is really not going to help your cause. —Aaroncrick (talk) 22:19, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Agreed with Aaron. I think we're basically dealing with a troll. Orderinchaos 05:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Nominating a page for deletion is not trolling. Discussing/agreeing/disagreeing on the deletion page is not trolling. Stalking and attacking the nominator on his talk page IS trolling, however. --Why why why why why (talk) 07:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
"Stalking and attacking"? Hmm... I am pretty sure that you dropped an npa3 notice and threats on a good faith user's talk page for the mere crime of disagreeing with your opinion at the top of this section. If that was not an attack, I don't know what is. It seems to me at this point that the reason your edit history currently reflects drama over substance is that substance is not your reason for being here. I could be wrong, however - and you're welcome, indeed encouraged, to prove me wrong here with some solid, useful contributions in line with Wikipedia policy and some evidence that you can interact productively with other editors. If however you stay locked in your present course of disruption, you probably will find the very short time you have remaining here somewhat unsatisfying as you continue to make enemies with your approach. Orderinchaos 07:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
This YYYYY character is taking up too much time. I suggest this discussion gets shut down and removed from the talk page. --Merbabu (talk) 07:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I have been accused of so many different things now - I ask for someone other than myself to leave a warning on YYYY's page (of which most messages have been reverted and attacked in edit summaries) and when I see one that stays untouched - I will archive - I dont want to feed the troll - but I would also like any reviewing ed to have the issue clearly open here - I did not ask the particular editor anything that an average editor would be so wounded about - to delete a portal is not a valid exercise - however as there is no sign that the editor took any steps to show any knowledge of the process of reviewing portal maintenance, or anything else left on their page - it is a classic Duck test Yes check.svg Done - speaks like one, edits like one, sounds like one, just a matter of time before it is all over. SatuSuro 07:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Totally wrong - accusing me of PA when I ask about knowledge of Portals - is incorerect usage of WP:ABOUT - I have neither stalked or attacked - I am not responsible for the other editors who choose to comment here. To nominate an established portal is behaviour - regardless of any claims to the contrary. To spend the amount of time and effort to further the issue shows the evidence of a user who simply wants to make trouble. SatuSuro 07:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I gave you a taste of your own medicine, and you don't like it, do you?
  • Discuss deletion on the deletion page, NOT ON THE TALK PAGE OF THE NOMINATOR! You started posting on my talk page, I then started posting on your talk page.
  • You accused me of things, I then accused you of things as well.
  • You provoked me, I can provoked you too.
Enjoy your medicine. And please, if any admin wants to block me, then block me. I know it will satisfy your power hunger. --Why why why why why (talk) 21:49, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
All you have done is provoke - but you are boring little troll I dont care what they do to you - you show no interest in editing other than trolling - why anyone would bother to even take any notice of you is beyond me... complete waste of time SatuSuro 22:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

A big thankyou to my favourite editor[edit]

Thanks fella, in honesty I didn’t think I’d get the rights, maybe I don’t have enough faith in myself….lol. Can you take a look at Hobart airport and tell me if it’s ready for b class yet? I’ve asked other editors but my requests have fallen on deaf ears. Cheers Wiki ian 10:04, 1 February 2010 (UTC)