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Hey, you just moved Kujang (Indian town) to Kujang (Odisha). But, ain`t there two entities Kujang in India, one TOWN, and one TEHSIL (sort of a sub district)? Regards, Gott 02:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for visiting. I saw [1]. I think it will be fine without such two thing. If you want, do divide two entities. Sawol (talk) 02:48, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Why did you changed former Miss Korea winner's name?[edit]

You changed Miss Korea 2008 Na Ri and 2009 Kim Joo-ri's name. Na Ri did not compete as Na Ree in Miss Universe 2009. And Kim Joo-ri is not Kim Joo-Ri.

I will change again soon. Because my version is right. --Spatronic (talk) 16:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I didn't change Kim Joo-ri. I changed Na Ree. I found youtube's material. Show me that Na Ri is correct. Sawol (talk) 08:36, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Proper Romanization[edit]

Hi, Sawol. I see your changes on some author pages I've been putting up... though those author names are NOT "proper" Romanization, as you clearly saw, they are the Romanizations that the authors have chosen and requested at the Korean Literature Translation Institute. You can see those Romanizations (some of which are quite weird) here: Ccmontgom (talk) 11:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Ccmontgom. Thank you for visiting. Refer to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean). What is the proper Romanization? If you have another opinion, achieve consensus on that through Wikipedia:Requested moves. Sawol (talk) 12:19, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sawol.. Thanks for that link. l . I did look at the naming conventions and the first thing they say is:

1) Common usage in English. LTI Korea which is the government agency responsible for Korean author names, working with the authors when they can, is creating the common usages that the authors request - This database is giving Korea the preferred common uses because, if you look at many of the names, the common uses are multiple and have been made up randomly by foreign publishers (thank God the Wikipedia allows alternate names to be listed, that helps a great deal). These lbiguide "common usages" by the way, also reflect the Romanizations the author's want (in the cases that authors are still around to say). To not use this resource which is precisely in place to bolster common usages seems odd. What Wikipedia seems to be doing here, and with Korean government backed evidence that the authors don't want it, is automatically assigning rote Romanizations even when they sound infelicitous, or are actively opposed by the authors as demonstrated by their personal Romanizations on the Korean libguide. It confuses me that this seems even questionable. There are people who want their names spelled they way they want them, they have indicated this through the Korean government in a document that is instantly accessible and linkable. Why wouldn't we here at Wikipedia honor their preferences? Preferences, for that matter, communicated by the same government in charge of all Romanization?

Thanks for, I hope, working through that nearly tl/dr

I'll also, I think, have another question for you as you seem to have accurately tagged Seo-jong-ju for a copy and paste. But it's a copy and paste from an LTI Korea Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported page which should allow complete copy and pasting if we wanted to. And we very much do want to.^^ So I'm guessing I'm unaware of how I should indicate that largely unchanged text is being used with copyright permission? Is it use of attribution? I've looked at a couple dozen attribution templates, but none seems appropriate. Oh well, if you don't have the answer I can dig more..

Ccmontgom (talk) 16:12, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Ccmontgom (talk) 16:12, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Changes to Korean Author Names?[edit]

Sawol - I notice that you are changing Korean author names to "standard" Romanization. In this case, however, the changes should not be made as the author names on the pages reflect how the authors spell their names in English. This is reflected on the Korean Literature Authors Name Authority Database (created by the Korean government), which you can see here:

Changing the Romanization in these cases makes the Wikipedia pages inaccurate as it incorrectly represents the author names. In this case, shouldn't the Wikipedia respect the names of the authors?

Ccmontgom (talk) 21:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

My moves is not the standard Romanization. I followed the Wikipedia polices and guidelines. I know that the Wikipedia pages should reflect naming conventions (Wikipedia:Article titles). English Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names). Wikipedia doesn't prefer the author's chosen spelling of their name in English. And Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) shows that Chung Ho Sung is incorrect, Chung Ho-sung is correct. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters shows Chyung JinKyu is incorrect, Chyung Jinkyu is correct. If you want to collect many people's opinions, achieve consensus on that through Wikipedia:Requested moves. Sawol (talk) 07:45, 26 December 2013 (UTC)


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Looks like you and I had the same idea at the same time for 2014–15 FIS Ski Jumping World Cup. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 06:04, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

A nice cup of tea for you![edit]

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg Thank you for your edits in the -do stubs. I just learned the words for west and east! Believe me, when you don't know Korean, and as long as both Google Translate and Bing are as daft as they currently are, any little edit is a challenge for me. Face-smile.svg Best, Sam Sailor Sing 13:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


A Barnstar!
The Korean Barnstar

The number of times you show up on my watchlist for having improved Korea-related articles is amazing. The work you do behind the scenes is extremely helpful (category management, ensuring articles are properly sorted, etc.) Your work is admirable, thanks for everything you do! Ry's the Guy (talk|contribs) 11:53, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Maengjung-ri vs Maengjungni[edit]

A question - why revert the change to the redirect? As I understand wikipedia policy, Northern subjects should reflect the northern dialect... 2Q (talk) 03:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Please follow Wikipedia:Moving a page#Moves where the target name has an existing page. Sawol (talk) 03:52, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


I might have made a mistake in creating a redirect from Chu (Korean surname) to Joo (Korean name), as none of the Pages that link to "Chu (Korean surname)" are spelled with . Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 09:10, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Leader's Greetings to you![edit]

name characters[edit]

Can you read these two sets on names for me? I can only make out that one is Kim and one is Jung something. Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:19, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for visiting here. I can read the image' characters. One is Hangul강영중; Hanja姜榮中; RRGang Yeong-jung; MRKang Yŏng-jung and the other Hangul김종필; Hanja金鐘泌; RRGim Jong-pil; MRKim Chong-p'il. Sawol (talk) 04:11, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! These are Korean Scout leaders who were awarded the highest Japanese award.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:59, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
This is what I was working on: Golden Pheasant Award, thank you so much!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:02, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks-I found Kim's dates at ko:한국의 스카우트 운동, but the characters didn't look the same to me, he seemed too young. I should never edit when sleepy. ;)
What does it say about Kang?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Kim Jong-pil is a nephew-in-law of President Park Chung-hee. Kim has been actively involved in political activities.
ko:한국의 스카우트 운동 says that Kang Young-joong served as Korea Scout Association President from March 7, 2008 to April 16, 2012. Kang is famous as the CEO of Daekyo (ko:대교 (기업)). Sawol (talk) 08:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Just wrote Kang Young-joong, I found him using his hangul at ko:wiki. It's short and not so good, but... :) Thanks! Please take a look! --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:47, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Can you provide one of your cool pronunciation boxes for Tiger Scout (Korea Scout Association)?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:29, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you again! I just keep finding new Korean Scouters to write about! Sang-ho Shim Please take a look! --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:57, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:Current APEC foreign ministers[edit]

Sawol, can you consider withdrawing the criteria for speedy deletion on this APEC foreign ministers template? Try to read the talk page on this template. If there's any redundancy, try to make it more credible. I would strongly disagree with this template's deletion as there is a logical reason that it should be retained and therefore noted that this is not a CRUFT. Saiph121 (talk) 02:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for visiting. You already know the discussion Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 December 11#Template:Current APEC Foreign Ministers. Sawol (talk) 05:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Can't you not at least spare this template or considering remove the notice of the criteria for speedy deletion despite of the information being mentioned? Saiph121 (talk) 05:58, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Kim Seong-il[edit]

Why did you move Kim Sŏng-il to Kim Seong-il? Turnbull and Hawley both use Song-il, not Seong-il. --Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 01:50, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Refer to The Land of Scholars: Two Thousand Years of Korean Confucianism. Samuel Hawley uses Choson, Pusan, and so on. His romanization is biased. Sawol (talk) 02:06, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
How is using McCune-Reishchauer biased? Also, I can't speak Korean, which that book seems to be in (All I see is a 'no' symbol with some Hangul underneath. The cover seems to be English, though..?)--Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 02:08, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Wait, it's English now.--Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 02:09, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay, one book uses 'Seong-il'. Two books use 'Sŏng-il' or 'Song-il' without the diacritic. It should be 'Sŏng-il', I think.--Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 02:11, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
McCune–Reishchauer of North Korea is biased. Revised Romanization of South Korea too. Anyway, there are many many examples Seong-il in many books Sungkyun Journal of East Asian Studies, 2001, Asian Anthropology, 2005, New history of Korea, Love Letters from Fathers, Korea’s Historic Clans, Korea: more accurate facts and information, Uncovering the Codes, The Traditional Education of Korea. The reason may be that more South Korean scholars actively study Joseon's history. Sawol (talk) 02:33, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

I think the issue is that Kim Sŏng-il gets lost under books about Kim Jong-il in searches. I've found three "Kim Sŏng-il" or "Sŏng'il" so far, and will post as many as I find here, so we can see if there is enough of a gap to declare one the common name, or if there is no common name, in which case McCune-Reischauer should be used:

War, and Ethics: A Sourcebook of Textual Traditions, 2014, Great East Asian War and the Birth of the Korean Nation, 2016, and Korean War Captive in Japan, 1597Ð1600: The Writings of Kang Hang,2013 (translated), Earth and Its Peoples: A Global History, Volume II: Since 1500, Society: Civil Society, Democracy and the State, Korean Neo-Confucianism of Yi T'oegye and Yi Yulgok, Statecraft and Korean Institutions: Yu Hyongwon and the Late Choson dynasty --Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 02:44, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Could you open the discussion WP:RM? Let's reach the consensus. User talk space is not suitable for a decision between McCune–Reishchauer and Revised Romanization. Thank you. Sawol (talk) 02:58, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure we need to do that, given that I don't think anyone except us are really editing the article. But If we cannot reach an agreement, then sure.

Looking at the split between 'Song-il', 'Seong-il', 'Sŏng-il' and 'Sŏng'il', I think there is no common English name. According to the manual of style, it should then default to McCune-Reischauer.Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 03:04, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

No. According to the manual of style WP:NC-KO#Romanization of names, it should then default to Revised Romanization. "If there is no established English spelling, then Revised Romanization should be used for South Korean and pre-1945 Korean names, McCune–Reischauer for North Korean names." Kim Seong-il is the pre-1945 Korean name. Sawol (talk) 05:53, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

I see. The Manual of Style was just talking about the actual text. It seems pretty weird that they recommend opposite conventions for the text and the article title, though. But then you are right, it should stay as 'Seong-il'.--Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 00:32, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

SEPO in caps[edit]

Hi Sawol, sorry but how can SEPO in caps refer to sepo. SEPO is part of Ministry of Finance (Thailand). Please see G books. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:15, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay, anyway no problem. Maybe there is another use of SEPO in caps that I don't know about. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:17, 26 January 2017 (UTC)


Hi Sawol. I recently brought an SPI case concerning Providence (religious movement) and have been trying to figure out the events related to the sweeping rewrite done by Avataron who has now been blocked as a sock. Am trying to figure out what led you to put the histmerge tag on the Avataron's Christian Gospel Mission (Providence) article here, which was a key step that led to overwriting the old (and current) article at Providence (religious movement) with Avataron's whitewashed version. Did Avataron ask you to help them offline or something? I cannot find anything on Wikipedia that led up to that. Can you please explain? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 00:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Avataron did not ask me to help them. I discovered Christian Gospel Mission (Providence) at User:AlexNewArtBot/KoreaSearchResult. I salute you and your investigation. Sawol (talk) 07:18, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
I see. Thanks for your answer. Jytdog (talk) 15:41, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Kim Ou-joon for deletion[edit]

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당신의 제한이 해제되었습니다.[edit]

ko:위키백과:사랑방 (일반)/2017년 제30주를 보세요. 이제 다시 한국 위키피디아에서 활동할 수 있습니다.

A cup of tea for you![edit]

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg Thank you for your diligent work for Wikipedia ~ Goodtiming8871 (talk) 10:43, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Sawol (talk) 05:20, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

2005 in South Korean music[edit]

Page mover granted[edit]

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Moçidade Portugueŝa listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Moçidade Portugueŝa. Since you had some involvement with the Moçidade Portugueŝa redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Nabla (talk) 23:04, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Capitalization of Visual Information Fidelity[edit]

Hey. I saw you moved Visual Information Fidelity, but this is incorrect. VIF is a proper name for a particular algorithm; it's not the concept of "fidelity of visual information" or anything. Please undo that change. Thanks! Slhck (talk) 16:18, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

  • @Slhck: Hi. Just passing by (I posted the message just above, so I was checking for a reply). You can move it (back) yourself. Anyway, as your point seem correct, I moved it to Visual Information Fidelity (not the original "Visual Information Fidelity (VIF)" as there is no need for (VIF) in the title, I presume) - Nabla (talk) 21:24, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
@Slhck and Nabla: I opened WP:RM discussion at Talk:Visual information fidelity. Thanks. Sawol (talk) 02:31, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
OK. Thank you for moving it there, that is the place to discuss this. I'll just add a link back here to document this initial discussion. (notifying also @Slhck: of my reply) - Nabla (talk) 21:05, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm not a regular on Wikipedia, I haven't participated much in these kinds of discussions. Slhck (talk) 09:49, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing[edit]

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Hello, Sawol.

I've seen you editing recently and you seem knowledgeable about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.
Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After gaining the flag, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. Thanks. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 09:40, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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Nampohang Station[edit]

Hi Sawol,

Nampohang Station is not what is south of Nampo Station - Nampo Station is in Hanggu-guyok, to the south of that is the container port. If you look at [2] and scroll down to the third image, the bigger map of Nampo City, you can see in Hanggu-guyok that Sinnampo and Nampo stations are indicated. It's cut off at the top and the bottom, but the Nampohang Line starts at Sinnampo, and runs through Waudo-guyok - the rail line marked on the left side and continues off the bottom of the map... 2Q (talk) 07:49, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

@2Q: Thank you for providing detailed explanations. I learned much about Nampohang Line. Could you tell me whether Chinese Wikipedia zh:南浦線 and zh:Template:南浦线 (Nampo Line; Sinnampo StationNampo Station (Pyongnam Line)) exists or not? Pyongnam Line and the map of ko:평남선 of Korean Wikipedia say that the line between Sinnampo Station and Nampo Station (Pyongnam Line) is a part of Pyongnam Line. But zh:平南線 and ko:틀:평남선 exclude the Sinnampo–Nampo line. Japanese Wikipedia ja:平南線 considers the Sinnampo–Nampo line to be the Namp'o Branch of Pyongnam Line. Sawol (talk) 05:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
The "Nampo Line" on is something I've never seen mentioned before. It's a bit confusing, yeah... Sentetsu's original Pyongnam Line ran from Pyongyang to Nampo, then the Chosen Pyeongan Railway (조선 평안 철도) opened the Onchon Line from the spot where Sinnampo Station is now, to Pyongnam Oncheon... and Sinnampo Station was only opened after the Korean War... but then Gukcheol added the Onchon Line to the Pyongnam Line. So as I understand things, ja:平南線 and the map on ko:평남선 have it right, that the Sinnampo–Nampo line is a branch of the Pyongnam Line (Pyongyang–Sinnampo–Pyongnam Onchon)... 2Q (talk) 05:26, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Category:Metro stations in South Korea has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Metro stations in South Korea, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. feminist (talk) 13:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Stub categories and moves[edit]

There are several issues here.

Regarding edits like this: indeed , it is not a template; but it is a category containing templates. The edit makes those templates indirect members of Category:Argentina stubs, which is for articles only. Several WikiProject Stub sorting people (myself included) spent a long time tidying up the categorisation of these categories and their templates, including getting the "Foo stub templates" categories out of the "Foo stubs" categories. You have not linked any discussion in your edit summaries - was this discussed anywhere? It took us weeks to get it right, and now you're undoing all our work in the space of a few hours. Have a look at Wikipedia:Database reports/Dubious stub categories: there are 25 pages listed there, just as there have been for almost a year now. When the report is next run - probably on Friday this week - the number of pages that are listed will nearly double because of your incorrect categorisation.

You have made a lot of category moves today. I don't see any reason for these moves in the log, nor can I find any evidence on the category pages that either {{subst:cfr}} or {{subst:cfr-speedy}} had been posted. Hence, there is no record of which discussion led to these moves. It was agreed a few years ago, around about the time that category moves became possible, that category moves should not be performed without either a discussion at WP:CFD or an appropriate notification at WP:CFDS. The accepted practice is that once a category rename is agreed, the bot Cydebot (talk · contribs) would be tasked with both moving the category page and updating its member pages.

If you move a page (whether it be a category or anything else), and make a mistake in the page name that requires a second move, please make sure that you don't move the redirect that was created by the move. There are two ways of fixing a move mistake: both of them require you to first ensure that you are on the page having the new name, and are not on the page for the redirect.

  1. Move the incorrectly-named page to the correct name. This is easiest, but it will leave a double redirect.
  2. Move the incorrectly-named page back to the previous name, then reload the page to ensure that you are not on the redirect, then move it a third time, to the correct name.

Whichever method is used, it means that the page history is kept together instead of becoming divorced from the page content.

--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

It is very useful that "Foo templates" and "Foo stubs" categories are under the "Foo" categories. There are many more examples. Category:Arts templates under Category:Arts, Category:Argentina templates under Category:Argentina, etc. And I will follow WP:CFDS for "WikiProject Foo stub templates" categories. I have nominated the remainders at WP:CFDS#Current nominations. I appreciate your interest in my contributions. Sawol (talk) 15:08, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
As I suspected, Wikipedia:Database reports/Dubious stub categories has grown: from 25 entries to 71 entries, much more than I had feared. Content categories that are intended for articles should not include templates, and project categories should not contain articles: please undo your edits. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:33, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Are the only exceptions in stub categories? What do you think about Category:Argentina templates under Category:Argentina? Could you show me the consensus that categories should not include their templates their templates categories? You have make subjective claims without a reason. Sawol (talk) 10:23, 3 February 2018 (UTC) Sorry, categories, not templates. I expect your reply. Sawol (talk) 13:23, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm not saying that categories should not include their templates. I'm saying that content categories (categories intended for encyclopedia content, i.e. articles) should not contain templates, since templates are not encyclopedia content. This is WP:CAT#T, to which I referred you earlier. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:46, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
WP:CAT#T says "Templates should be categorized according to kind of template, but not by template content". It doesn't matter if the template is in a content category directly, or there are intermediate categories. Templates aren't content, and don't belong in content categories. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:50, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Chiming in to add corroboration to Redrose64 🌹 (talk)'s information. Also, I can't find any discussion at WP:CFDS#Current nominations as mentioned above. Please provide a link to any discussion currently taking place about this matter. Thanks - ~Her Pegship~ 19:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Fourth problem: when you make edits like this, you must ensure that the new category is placed inside the <noinclude>...</noinclude> tags, to ensure that articles are not categorised with the stub template. See WP:TEMPLATECAT. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:13, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Page move query 11 February 2018[edit]


I saw you moved Chebi Sports Club to Jebi Sports Club... can you revert that, please? Since it's a North-related article, it should be McCune-Reischauer transcription, in which 제비 should be "Chebi". 2Q (talk) 05:11, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Jebi Sports Club or Jebi has WP:Sources per Jebi Sports -wiki and Jebi of Korean Central News Agency. 제비 is not a place name. Juche 주체 doesn't use McCune-Reischauer. Sawol (talk) 07:03, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Good point... I don't know why that didn't occur to me! 2Q (talk) 13:16, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Party name discussion[edit]

Could you leave a message on talk page, if possible? Thanks. --Garam (talk) 02:54, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Can you take a look ...[edit]

at Talk:Yang Yu (diplomat)#Requested move 26 March 2018? Timmyshin (talk) 00:47, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Waudo[edit]

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Garden of Morning Calm[edit]

Garden of Morning Calm could use an infobox, if you have time. :) --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:59, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Redirect suppression[edit]

Hello Sawol, can you explain why you are suppressing redirects when performing moves such as this one? It appears that you often intend to create disambiguation pages when making these sorts of changes, but it makes it more difficult to fix the incoming links to the disambiguation page when the page history doesn't show which of the articles was previously at the base title. I am under the impression that I may sometimes perform these sorts of suppressions in relation to disambiguation pages as part of closing multimove requests that require deletion to be performed, but I would not perform redirect suppressions for bold moves or creation of new dabs. Is there a WP:PMRC criterion you feel these fall under? If not, I am under the impression that this may fall under WP:PMRR #3, so please consider not suppressing the redirects when making these types of moves. Best, Dekimasuよ! 09:29, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Thank you for your guiding me. I'll be more careful now on. Sawol (talk) 08:25, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

RfC addition and reformat[edit]

Sawol, I went to your RfC on Talk:List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_South_Korea#RfC_about_writing_Chinese_characters and noticed the format was not typical of the RfC you were posing. I boldly edited your RfC entry to pose the question I believe you were asking to make it easier for subsequent editors to follow the RfC and more quickly assess their answer. I also added your "survey response" to the entry. If this change is unwanted, please feel free to revert my changes. Sincerely, § Music Sorter § (talk) 23:35, 3 August 2018 (UTC)