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NB - your signature is oddly formatted. I think you may need to tweak it in your "my preferences" tab. I think you must have hit the tab or space bar or something. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I noticed your parrot-related edits...[edit]

Hi. I saw what you've been doing with parrot articles recently and I think it looks really good. A lot of that stuff has needed work for a while. Have any of the other WP:BIRDS people messaged you yet and invited you (not that you need to be invited to join...)? You might find that Project interesting/useful. Just a thought... Welcome, anyway. :) --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 20:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

All the Macaw articles are substantially deficient (as in barely there). Organization, content, grammar and diction, and even factual errors are all areas requiring work. I don't even know where to begin. It seems knowledge of how to write a taxonomic description doesn't exist among the editors of these pages. Morphological descriptions are also weak. Today, we recognize that a bird cannot stand apart from its habitat, and careful description of the ecology of the habitat and the bird's relation to it is essential for conservation. Hardly any bird articles capture the essence of the ecosystem of which it's a part. We can lead in this area, and that's really my primary focus. cf my article on Spix's macaw. I barely made a beginning there, because we know so little about that bird.Sbalfour (talk) 20:43, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
There are some really good biologically-minded bird-related editors on Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Showcase for examples of some featured articles) - however, it seems that a lot of parrot-related articles are edited mainly by aviculturists/pet owners, who write from their own perspective on the birds. I'm not sure if there's any particular reason for that - just an area of interest thing maybe? Passerines and seabirds tend to get a lot more attention, though Kakapo and Red-tailed Black Cockatoo have had a lot of work put into them... -Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 20:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I know - I did the most recent chunk of work on Red-tailed Black Cockatoo. That one's a high standard. Writing an article is weeks of work; I'm going to own the macaw articles, if do what I think I'd like to do. Now, if I can just get somebody to review them - I've nominated the Spix article for GA, and it's waiting.Sbalfour (talk) 21:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I can help with copyediting and rejigging to conform with other bird articles. User:KimvdLinde (talk · contribs) is another editor keen on psittacines. I am not too familiar with the Arini but will add what I can. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Go for it. Just as a matter of interest, do you keep any parrots yourself? --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 01:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I had a Crimson Rosella when I was around 10 years old, but none since - and my neighbour had a female Eclectus Parrot which was lovely, but it died of a sudden infection. I've had several pairs of Rainbow Lorikeets breed in my garden - they are really common in Sydney and becoming more so with the profusion of large flowered plant cultivars....Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:24, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I have several cockatiels, a white cockatoo, a Blue-crowned Conure, several Pacific Parrotlets.Sbalfour (talk) 05:13, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Spix's macaw GA[edit]

Hello Sbalfour, I wanted to inform you that I have taken up the GA review of Spix's macaw article. I am afraid there are several but minor issues, though the biggest is with sourcing. Anyway, I am not going to fail it till you turn up. Awaiting you, Sainsf <^>Talk all words 13:31, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Much appreciated! By my own appraisal, sourcing is the most major of the minor problems. I know a lot about this bird from extensive reading, many specific facts, and have a whole bookcase of sources. Actually finding the source book (magazine, monograph, etc) later, after writing, is problemmatic. Flag [citation_needed], or make me a list.
The history might be too detailed. However, everything we know about this bird was learned in the 13 years between 1974 (Sick's journey) and 1987 when the population was reduced to one (how can you observe mating, nesting, weaning, etc with one bird?). The history is an object lesson in what not to do the next time.
Cheers,Sbalfour (talk) 14:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I see the review is getting much long. Sbalfour, I request of you to first sort out this issue, though it may be hard for you. If this is finished, almost all my comments will be ended. I am giving you all the instances of unsourced lines. Only if you sort them. If you don't have citations, please remove these claims. Or perhaps the citation may be that used just in the previous line (it is, many times). Have a look:
  • Taxonomy part:
  • (Sick's remark was in the context of an article on Lear's Macaw, a larger blue macaw. He recognized, as Spix had not 150 years before, that C. spixii is notably different from the larger macaws). Most likely Ref 9 is the ref.
  • Description part:
  • In common with many parrots, they have zygodactyl feet with two forward facing and two rearward facing toes. This claim has resulted in a huge issue. Please remove the part in common with many parrots,, or give citation.
  • Reproduction part:
  • Incubation period is 25–28 days and only the female performs incubation duties. The chicks fledge in two months and are independent in five months.
  • Its voice is a repeated short grating. It also makes squawking noises.
  • Habitat part:
  • Don't at all describe the whole Caatinga region or woodland gallery. Just keep two or three lines exactly to describe it. The last 3 paragraphs are full of it.
  • History part has various instances:
  • Spix's Macaw is named for German naturalist Johann Baptist von Spix, who collected the first specimen in May, 1819 on the bank of the São Francisco River near Juazeiro in Brazil. Spix wrote: "The bird is gregarious and very rare."
  • Reiser had also seen one in captivity at a railway station in Remanso. These observations resulted in an early supposition of a vast potential range for the species in the dry interior of the northeast... Beginning around 1980, at the very height of the illegal bird trade, traders and trappers removed dozens of Spix's from the wild, and by the early 80's, it was generally believed to be extinct in the wild. (three paragraphs at once!)
  • Conservation part:
  • I told you to combine all this 'efforts' part into a few paragraphs. Only the sourced ones, please.
  • Contributing factors were the anthropic introduction... particularly the Caraibeira seedlings.
  • The sex of all captive birds has been determined using non-invasive DNA testing of plucked feathers There already is a citation needed template there.
  • These hand raised birds are strongly imprinted on humans, and this will present a significant issue for their ultimate release into the wild.
  • Aviculture part:
  • ...and lack of private breeders, there are now no sources from which the bird may be obtained for the pet trade.

Hope you end this problem soon. Sainsf <^>Talk all words 11:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Just a quick word. I see you have began working on some issues since you contacted me. Please leave a notification on my talkpage when you are done with the issues so that I can know about the progress. Good luck! Sainsf <^>Talk all words 06:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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Reverting back some of your editions[edit]

You've deleted and/or transferred relevant material in that article. I believe keeping as it was in some aspects is more informative. Cheers. Grenzer22 (talk) 18:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

The information I am keeping is relevant to the article, no matter if is in other topics. The list of notable Northeast Brazilians is more informative if it is as it was, that is, with the names of notable Northeast Brazilians in a complete way.Grenzer22 (talk) 18:45, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

It should be kept as it was before your changes IMO.Grenzer22 (talk) 18:57, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Keeping information arbitrarily removed[edit]

I have made some edits so as to keep the article as it was. The detailed genetic info on Northeast Brazil was moved out of the article, and no source was left. The Northeast of Brazil is often misrepresented, so the detailed information is relevant.

The pics should not have been arbitrary removed, since they are also representative of Northeast Brazil.

And the list of the many notable Brazilians is important, not to be reduced to a few numbers. Northeast Brazil is an outstanding region, and the complete list gives testimony to it.Grenzer22 (talk) 19:04, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Until we find a conclusion, the article should be kept as it was.Grenzer22 (talk) 19:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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I would like to ask you a favour[edit]

Hello, I see that you are very interested in the history of Colombia, then I would like to ask you a favour, could you help me put reliable references to each paragraph in the history section?.

Thank You in Advance --Theryx7 (talk) 17:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I can. I'm very proficient in American colonial history, read Portuguese and Spanish (somewhat). This article was once a Good Article nomineee, but I can find no GA review page for it. What's wrong with it? Was it refererencing? (There were a lot of goofy things in History section, some actually wrong, so hopefully between you and I, we fix them :-) ). Please, let's discuss for future, because we are sort of reversing each other, rather than do things together. Cheers,Sbalfour (talk) 17:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Archaic period[edit]

Archaic period in North America or Archaic period in South America? --Theryx7 (talk) 18:49, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeh, I notifed that. Archaic period in the Americas redirects to Archaic period in North America, which is incorrect. Archaic period in South America, with exception of some isolated sites dated to 50,000 BCE, is somewhat later than Archaic period in North America. Bzzzzzt. The redirect page for Archaic Period in the Americas ought to become a Disambiguation page, and we need an article on Archaic period in South America. I'm not prepared to write that article. The wikilink is going to become a redlink pointing to Archaic period in South America; that's where we're at for now.Sbalfour (talk) 18:58, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Reliable references to achieve a good article[edit]

Hi, thanks for your help but it is important not to forget the reliable references. --Theryx7 (talk) 00:52, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm trying to stick them in as I go, but before that, fill in obvious gaps in the history, and fix or delete errors. It's obvious that amateurs wrote most of it. I know the history; citing where I know it from takes much time. Pre-Colombus Colombian history in particular depends much on current archeological studies - I have to do some research myself.Sbalfour (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

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History of malaria[edit]

I wanted to stop by and say thanks for the excellent work you're doing in cleaning up this article! I may have a go at it myself when you're done, and weigh in at the GAR. Cheers, Sasata (talk) 20:55, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Please, your contributions will be welcome, now. No need to wait for me. In fact, I very much rely on others, because I am conducting the GA review. My vote do not count, because I'm supposed to be impartial. I'm not an expert on this subject matter, though I have some specific knowledge, so I'm trying to recruit other editors, to do what I cannot.Sbalfour (talk) 21:09, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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"More Information Required" regarding Amazon River[edit]

Hello, Sbalfour. In February you added {{MIR}} to a statement in Amazon River. I've proposed the "More Information Required" template be deleted, since it's use partially overlaps with {{clarify}} for statements that are not worded clearly, and with {{specify}} for statements that are overly broad. There are also templates for statements whose veracity may be doubted (e.g. {{dubious}}, {{disputed-inline}}, or {{citation needed}}). I wonder if any of those are a more specific statement of the sort of information you think is required? Or, maybe {{expand section}} should be added to the "Scientific exploration" sub-section? Cnilep (talk) 05:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Colonialism, parrots? ZOMG! I do that too! Let's be friends![edit]

Heya -- So I edited a pile o' stuff on the thick-billed parrot wiki, but I am only so good at it (I.e., I need to make the sources have, you know, descriptions.)

I added a section on Native American history and colonialism interacting with the thick-billed parrot (and an image) and linked to a map of its historic presence in the U.S.

Can you help my edits not suck, and can I learn who you are?? Or you know, we can be shadowy unknown minions of bird knowledge -- I'm good with that too.

(WooooOOOo000oo0Ooooo shadowy internet figures!)

You can call or text my Google Voice phone number at "42 42 MAGPIE" and I Skype as Gryphern, or you can gmail "gryphus" and get to me that way.

OhboyOhboOhboy you seem really cool! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.243.77.175 (talk) 00:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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Issue[edit]

In this edit [1] you added

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    • Avoid possible irritants. Reduce your exposure to things that may make your tinnitus worse. Common examples include loud noises, caffeine and nicotine.
    • Cover up the noise. In a quiet setting, a fan, soft music or low-volume radio static may help mask the noise from tinnitus.
    • Manage stress. Stress can make tinnitus worse. Stress management, whether through relaxation therapy, biofeedback or exercise, may provide some relief.
    • Reduce your alcohol consumption. Alcohol increases the force of your blood by dilating your blood vessels, causing greater blood flow, especially in the inner ear area."

This is word for word the same as here

This of course is copy and pasting of content and is not allowed. Can you explain what happened?Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:19, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm at fault here, though my sin may be minimal. I did copy/paste the text. That text appears on 17,200 websites. With a minor variation in spaces, punctuation and linebreaks, it can be found on tens of thousands of websites. A few inquiries as to copyright ownership leads nowhere. Everybody copied it. With such widespread occurrence of the text, it may effectively be in the public domain. We shall never find a claimant for the copyright. I've since replaced the text, so the problem is gone. I'll be more circumspect in the future. Cheers,Sbalfour (talk) 16:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
You must paraphrase basically everything going forwards. By the way we have copyright detection software that runs on new edits which is how this was picked up. You can crib from some government sources but not all of them. Copyright is complicated. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:05, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Major Mitchell's cockatoo[edit]

Hi Sbalfour: I'm working my way through the WP:BIRDS cleanup listing, and I've found your comments on the Major Mitchell's cockatoo article, saying that "beautiful" is a peacock word. That word is used in dozens of books describing the species (see here for example. Is it not appropriate to say "it is often described as the most beautiful of all cockatoos", based on the sources that avow just that? MeegsC (talk) 01:58, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll buy the use of the adjective, as your sources are good. I'm very wary of 'superfluous' or 'exclamatory' adjectives in scholarly articles. Reading professional ornithology papers is an exercise in doldrum due to lack of colorful words. In fact, that is what we are: scholars. If you may, what exactly is beautiful about the bird? Start this way: The Major Mitchel's cockatoo is often described as the most beautiful of all cockatoos because of <its bright plumage>, <contrasting colors>, <ostentatious displays (i.e. behavior)>. You chose the appropriate phrase. Again, as a scholar, what are you conveying to someone, an ornithologist, for example, about the bird? Cheers,Sbalfour (talk) 03:13, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Content without references[edit]

It would be good to add references when you add content rather than just adding citation needed tags. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

I know, I know. Guilty as charged. I stick the tags to remind *me* that I'm lax, not for someone else to fixup after me. I'm still working on the article (Tinnitis maskers, I assume). It's threadbare, and until text is settled, I'm struggling with basic exposition. If your concern is some other article, please cite the name. I can indeed provide refs for whatever I add. Cheers, Sbalfour (talk) 04:29, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Removing refs[edit]

Why did you remove all these refs [2]? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:27, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I expected to get some pushback on this, and you are right to query me. What I found was 1) the refs cited parts of a book devoted exclusively to pediatrics, and pertained exclusively to children. Whether they remain true for adults is not established in that book. 2) page numbers (p.602) were all identical for the refs, but only one ref cited text actually on that page; the rest of the refs citing the same page (via refname) were therefore invalid. 3) when I attempted to locate the portions of the book actually supporting the article text cited by the errant-page-numbered refs, I could only find one, and it was a 10 word copyvio (9 words matched, in sequence). I suspect what the editor did, was copy/paste small statements (sentences/phrases) directly out of the book, changing perhaps one word or some punctuation/capitalization. However, since I could not locate reasonably-related text in the book for most of the refs, I can neither verify the article text supported by the errant refs, nor rule in or out copyvio for those portions of article text. The refs, except one or possibly two, are invalid as they stand. So I deleted them, but left the article text in place. That's a big book - locating proper page numbers for closely paraphrased cited text (can't use literal text search directly, need some kind of wildcard search or heuristic search) is just beyond what I know how to do.Sbalfour (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Which text was word for word the same? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:02, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

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Aging merger proposals[edit]

Your merger proposal for History of Pernambuco etc. has sat around since January 2014. Would it be possible to follow up on merger proposals? If there's no consensus (or discussion) the tag should be removed. Thanks. Prburley (talk) 14:24, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I take the lack of consensus (i.e. no concern on anyone's part) to indicate that I can unilaterally perform the merge. I wouldn't have proposed it if I was unwilling or unable to perform it. I shall forthwith inspect and complete the task.Sbalfour (talk) 22:48, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Please provide citations for your Chess changes[edit]

It looks like you're adding good information in the Chess article, but you haven't given any citations. What's your source for the material which you've been adding? Strawberry4Ever (talk) 22:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I've been a chess player, scholar and historian for ~45 years. I know a thing or two. I'll be looking for proper citations. If I'm in error, please let me know.Sbalfour (talk) 22:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

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copied message here that was left on my talk page in this diff, to keep discussion in one place Jytdog (talk) 18:20, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
You recently advised me of a copyvio edit performed by me in Macular degeneration. That was 13 months ago and I don't remember what I intended to do there. It does indeed appear to be a copy/paste from copyrighted source. I apologize. I didn't find any other hunks of text in the article that could have been copyvios. I'll add appropriate text to the text to the section when I have time.Sbalfour (talk) 18:17, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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Re: Paraves[edit]

I see you've been keeping up the improvement of the page - good work!

On references..... you may find Template:Cite journal useful. Lythronaxargestes (talk) 04:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Did I leave something unref'ed? Please quote the text, and I'll get it ref'fed. Also, I have a large chunk of text on the Talk page (above) to integrate into the intro, but worried about accuracy. Could you check it out? I do think intro is not the place for refs, since the intro should summarize the text, and the text should be ref'fed. It's like a thesis statement, and I'll flesh it out later. I know some editors won't buy that.Sbalfour (talk) 16:18, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
I had Dececchi et al. (2016) in mind; I've converted it to a proper citation template. I think Dinoguy2, being the resident paravian expert, has the accuracy component covered..... Lythronaxargestes (talk) 17:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

List of United Kingdom bird clubs and ornithological societies[edit]

Hi Sbalfour. Well, I prodded List of United Kingdom bird clubs and ornithological societies and it was removed, so now the only option for deleting the article is to take it to AfD. You can do that if you wish. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:13, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Ref[edit]

What ref supports "Smallpox is believed to have been acquired by humans originally as a zoonosis from a terrestrial African rodent between 16,000 and 68,000 years ago, well before the dawn of agriculture and civilization."? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

It's ref #26 under evolution. Since the intro is supposed to be a summary of the text, and the text was alredy ref'ed for it, I didn't copy the ref to the intro. Did I misspeak? That is, is the sole problem that you didn't see the ref, or that you don't believe the statement is an accurate rendition of the ref?Sbalfour (talk) 21:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation page styles[edit]

I hope that you don't take this the wrong way because I greatly appreciate your editing and love it when disambiguation pages get a polishing, but a decent bit of your changes don't follow MOS:DAB guidelines, especially regarding how we treat pages that do have a primary topic compared to those that don't, as well as appropriate uses of piping within entries. I've gone through and modified a number of articles in your wake, but am looking to avoid extra work on your part or anyone else's part in the future. Again, thanks for sprucing things up and happy editing. -- Fyrael (talk) 06:08, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! If I've created a replicating problem, spell it out, and I'll adjust. I often view a disambig page, and immediately know more items, because these aren't kept up to date, as there is no automated way to update them. There's some value to getting the info in there, other editors can copy edit my faux-paux's.Sbalfour (talk) 06:13, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Sure, I can just highlight a few things I noticed:
  • In pretty much every case there should be just one blue link for each entry
  • Avoid piping in most cases, otherwise we get a whole page of links that just say Bing and it's harder to tell where they go
  • The lede should really just be a link to the primary topic with a brief description not unlike an entry description. If a DAB article doesn't have "(disambiguation)" in the title then it doesn't have a primary topic and the lede should just say "XX may refer to:". Of course if you think that there should be a primary topic for a given term, feel free to get a page move going.
Edit: And yes, I'd agree that it's worthwhile to have editors just add something that's missing and it can be cleaned up as needed. -- Fyrael (talk) 06:51, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
We're in this together, so I'll do my best; its good in most cases to have editors cooperate, rather than going it alone.Sbalfour (talk) 13:43, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mr. President (board game)[edit]

I've completed your AFD nomination for this article. The debate is listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mr. President (board game). Note that some similar articles (of, admittedly, better games) have well-referenced articles - so it's possible that sources might come forward for this one as well. Best, UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 16:30, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Your edits to the Twixt page[edit]

I think you have rather capriciously removed some very useful information from this page. The "original research" perhaps could not be shown to be "factually correct," but was still quite useful. I think you did beginning Twixt players a serious disservice by removing it.

174.62.130.205 (talk) 02:19, 31 March 2017 (UTC) Bob Bowden

As much as I regret removing original research which is in fact well researched, the policy of the encyclopedia expressly forbids any original research WP:NOR. My edits are not capricious, but strictly in accordance with the established policy of the encyclopedia. As an editor, I really have no choice. I don't like being a policeman. Sbalfour (talk) 02:04, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

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