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Thank you. ww2censor (talk) 20:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Patrick Hennessey painting image

You already asked the question at WP:MCQ and it was answered so there is no need to ask again. And please sign your posts. ww2censor (talk) 13:38, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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'The Life and Works of Patrick Hennessy'

You don't seem to have provided either a publisher or date for this work (book?) - we need them to meet the requirements for proper referencing, and I can't seem to locate it via Google. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

You have now added 'The Municipal Gallery of Modern Art /01/05/1987' to the citation. Are you stating this is the publisher of the work? If so, what form did the publication take? Is it a book, a journal, or what? We need proper citation details to enable our readers to identify the source, and I don't think that is sufficient. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I got your e-mail: I'd prefer not to communicate that way though. I can't see any need for privacy, and it is simpler to use the established Wikipedia methods - that way others can participate. As for whether the paper is acceptable per our requirements for sourcing, I'm not entirely sure - it might be seen as 'unpublished' and/or lacking validity as a reliable source (we normally expect sources to be subject to editorial control, peer review or similar). We have a noticeboard for dealing with such issues, but before I can raise it there, I should probably get conformation from you that I can quote your e-mail there, since it is private correspondence. Are you o.k. with that? AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I got your second email - and once again, I would ask that you do not communicate with me that way. There is nothing whatsoever preventing you from using the same talk facility that you have already used to communicate with other Wikipedia contributors. All you need do is click on (talk) next to my signature, and you will find yourself on my talk page - clicking on 'new section' at the top of the page will provide you with the necessary form to post a message, in the manner you have previously been doing.

As for this 'thesis', are you saying that this is a doctoral thesis from a recognised university? If so, I need proper details. We do sometimes accept a doctoral thesis as a reliable source, but we'd need to know which university was concerned etc - if we cite it, we will need to cite it as a thesis submitted to a specific body (which would be considered the publisher, I think). Anything less than a doctoral thesis is probably not going to be acceptable as a source - though this will clearly depend on the specifics. Please provide all the information you have on this document, so we can make an informed decision. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:41, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Patrick Hennessy(Painter)

Thanks for the instruction on the correct way to communicate on Wikipedia. As I've stated before which you appear not to accept, I was not trying to be "underhand" in any way whatsoever. Although I have spent a lot of time on this article I am very much a learner and have found the workings of Wikipedia difficult to say the least. In fact I've got to the point now that I'll call it a day after this. On previous occasions I "stumbled" on the correct method of communication rather than understanding how I did it. Remember we were all learners once and some of us are a bit slower than others.

It was submitted to The Institute of Professional Auctioneers and Valuers,Dublin.From the acknowledgements it would appear that the work was carried out(though this is not stated)at the National College of Art and Design,Dublin.The author thanks a Paul Caffrey Phd for his help and encouragement in compiling the document. I do not know if it was a doctoral thesis or not. What I do know as someone who has studied this artists life and work over a ten year period(spending many hours in art libraries in Dublin and London)that it is a well researched document.(snowpatrol 12:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC))

Apologies if I seemed harsh - you're probably right, and I do tend to forget how confusing Wikipedia can be for newcomers. As for the thesis, I'm still unsure whether it will meet our sourcing criteria. I've managed to find a profile for Rutledge on LinkedIn [1] which seems to confirm that he wrote a thesis on Hennessy for the Institute, and that he later attended Trinity College, but unfortunately it doesn't provide any detail suggesting that he did further work on Hennessy there. I think the best thing might be for me to see if I can find someone with a bit more experience of such questions, and if that doesn't get me anywhere ask about it on the relevant Wikipedia noticeboard. Either way, I'll post a message here if I manage to make any progress.

I should probably make clear that I'm not in any way questioning Hennessy's notability as an artist - the evidence seems unambiguous that his work has received the necessary recognition. Wikipedia should clearly have an article on him, the only issues is whether we can assure our readers that what we have to say about him is correct. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Third opinion request for Patrick Hennessy (painter)

Hi Seascaper, thank you attempting to resolve a disagreement through WP:3O. Unfortunately we require that yourself and the other editor have attempted to 'talk it through' on the article's talk page prior to getting involved. Apologies if this seems like a small technicality, but often disputes can be resolved quickly and nicely through a simple discussion. You may wish to have a look through how to list a dispute. If discussion doesn't work, please feel free to add the dispute to WP:3O again. If you'd like any further help, please don't hesitate to contact me. samtar ^(msg) 21:08, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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Suggestions

Can I suggest you have a look at the William Orpen article- it has many faults, but is useful for comparison. Particularly it includes a template {{infobox artist}} and illustrations. The infobox is used a lot by external programs to scrape basic data into databoxes as well as to give a visual index to the page- a simple case of cut, paste and alter. Secondly there is the questions of Fair use illustrations- we can upload and use one copyrighted image on each en:wiki page subject to massive limitations. An example is File:Manor Mill, Chadderton 0005.png which I uploaded, and after a battle, got accepted. Have a look at other categories to add at the bottom too- Category:Realist painters comes to mind (if it exists) Orpen may lead it inspiration. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:32, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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Patrick Hennessy (painter)

An infobox is now started for the article. You should review the documentation at {{Infobox artist}} for further details on the various parameters available. If are not familiar with how the infoboxes work, you may want to practice editing with these in a Wikipedia:Sandbox first before trying to add or update one for an article.

As for adding an image of one of his paintings, that would almost certainly be copyrighted work given his 1980 death and therefore can only be added as a "fair use" image, that is if all conditions at WP:NFCC can be met.

Hope this helps. Dl2000 (talk) 22:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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