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2017-18 Bundesliga[edit]

Sorry for editing before asking you about this, but in 2016-17 Bundesliga we use F for SC Freiburg, so they are listed above Hamburger SV, Hertha BSC and TSG 1899 Hoffenheim (they are represented by H). Shouldn't we keep it for 2017-18 Bundesliga? Centaur271188 (talk) 11:21, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I thought it would make more sense to sort by city, as seen on 2016–17 Bundesliga#Results. Either way, there should be consistency with the sorting method used. S.A. Julio (talk) 11:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
If we decide to sort by city, then I think Schalke should be G (Gelsenkirchen), not S. Would you like to change it? Centaur271188 (talk) 02:27, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
@Centaur271188: Well, not exactly by city name, but the location (city or district) used in the club's title I think would be the best way to sort, just like with Hoffenheim. This method is more logical to understand since it would be confusing to see 'Schalke 04' in between Freiburg and Hoffenheim. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, the names of the teams on the map look really awkward in mobile view. Check it out on a phone or a tablet. Therefore I suggest using short forms for all the teams, like Hamburg, Wolfsburg, Köln, Schalke, and FC Bayern. Because the mentioned teams look very awkward in mobile view. My suggested principal is used on the maps for 2. and 3. Bundesliga and most of the other major leagues, and it looks much nicer. Your thoughts? Aikclaes (talk) 13:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Mobile view always will be a bit messed up, personally I think the map is alright how it is currently, staying consistent throughout the article. The Premiership article seems to use the proper club names as well. S.A. Julio (talk) 10:27, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't agree that mobile view "always will be a bit messed up". If you look at the equivalent maps in other top leagues they look great also in mobile, for instance France, The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden. And since only about 25 percent[1] watch on desktop only, there is a strong point for tailoring the maps to look good also in mobile view (for instance by using a bit shorter club names). This is more important than having long club names that mess up the map in mobile view. What do you think? Aikclaes (talk) 13:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Well, I check the article on my phone and it looks decent enough. There will always be some outliers, but again the Premier League articles uses the same style. I suppose the text size could be reduced a bit though. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
In mobile view, Schalke and Köln are right on the edge of the map. Bayern, Wolfsburg and Hamburg have ugly line breaks. (I don't know why you keep referring to the PL league map, as it doesn't have any of these issues.) I will try and solve these issues delicately, so the BL maps will be pretty in both mobile and desktop view. Hopefully it will be to your liking. :) Aikclaes (talk) 13:04, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
@Aikclaes: I just reduced the text size like the Premier League article, seems better now? S.A. Julio (talk) 13:15, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
@S.A. Julio:Beautiful! Good job! I was busy editing while you posted your edit, so it confused me at first. I also realized, strangely, that if you position the team names on the side (as opposed to top or bottom), there won't be that ugly line break in mobile view. I also moved Schalke and Köln a bit inwards. Aikclaes (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
@S.A. Julio:Made a few more changes to the positions. Now it looks amazing in both mobile and desktop! Thanks for the cooperation! Aikclaes (talk) 13:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


Gameday Team Line-Up[edit]

Hi, how do you create graphics, like this one ? Is there a webtool? Thank you! (talk) 02:56, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

@KingFisherMacD: This can be done with a vector graphics editor, like Inkscape. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:03, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Jann-Fiete Arp article deletion[edit]

He is playing at a tournament organised by UEFA, and you can find many journals reporting about the player ! Honestly, your reasons to delete the article are not convincing as you mentioned that he has not played professionally, why do you report the whole tournament if all the players are just non-professional kids ?! I wonder why you need to delete the article this time with all the info referenced, while you are going to create another one with the same title after he signs a professional contract !! CadAPL (talk) 20:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Does not matter what tournament he has played at, Arp has not made a senior international debut, nor has he appeared in a WP:FPL, as stipulated by WP:NFOOTY. A few news articles have appeared in the last few days, just WP:ROUTINE coverage of transfer speculation amid links to prominent clubs. Also, the notability guidelines for an international football tournament and a youth footballer are vastly different. There is no need for an article yet, as it is WP:TOOSOON and there is no rush, the article can be created once he makes an appearances in a WP:FPL, therefore passing WP:NFOOTY. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:26, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

@S.A. Julio: It seems that the player himself is enjoying his Wikipedia article (his facebook post about his Wikipedia article [1]). Honestly, it is a shame to delete it ! CadAPL (talk) 18:24, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@CadAPL: That's not a valid reason.. It can be created once the player actually makes an appearance in a WP:FPL. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:27, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
@S.A. Julio: Come on man, do not be stubborn ! The player seems to like to it, as I said earlier you would create one sooner or later. Since you are German, you might view this young lad as the German new hero after Klose, so I suggest to keep the article ! CadAPL (talk) 18:37, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
@CadAPL: The player's thoughts are irrelevant. The article is WP:TOOSOON, it can be recreated once he meets the threshold of notability. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Line up 2017 Coppa Italia final[edit]

Hello, please fix line up Juventus on this file. Official source is here. Bye.-- (talk) 12:06, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Juventus vs Lazio 2017-05-17.svg

Ok, make by PeeJay2K3 user.-- (talk) 18:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

2016–17 FC Bayern Munich season[edit]

As far as the squad is concerned, it should be updated only during the transfer windows. Currently, Lahm and Alonso's name appears in the appearances table, but not in the squad. Their names are not mentioned in the Players#Out section. Besides, that would be added for the 17-18 season.
acagastya 08:30, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

File:DFB-Pokal logo 2001.png listed for discussion[edit]


A file that you uploaded or altered, File:DFB-Pokal logo 2001.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:49, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Schalke 04 season 16-17 round by round[edit]

Hello S.A. Julio,

can you please fix round 32 from a W to a L, I don`t know how to fix it.


@Nico s04 94: Thanks for pointing the mistake out, fixed now! S.A. Julio (talk) 12:21, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Juventus' UCL Final lineup[edit]

Hey man, thanks for adjusting and fixing the lineup. However, Juve's lineup by UEFA isn't correct. At least, we should consider Juventus' as the main source. That being said, they released the lineup as a 4-2-3-1 (just like the one I previously added) on their Instagram. Could you fix it or should I do it? I already have your version saved here. Thanks.

@Gsfelipe94: Well, typically with such a reliable source such as UEFA, we just use whatever line-up they include on the tactical PDF. UEFA's official PDF uses a 3-4-3, so unless UEFA change the PDF, it might be better to keep it the same. This was the same for some line-ups at UEFA Euro 2016, see Talk:UEFA Euro 2016 knockout phase#Formations. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:32, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
I agree with it, but since it's the official club's lineup, perhaps it should be more reliable than UEFA launching their own opinion. What if we had a hidden link to the formation on the final's article and the image? Gsfelipe94 (talk) 18:39, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
@Gsfelipe94: Well, I believe the clubs give UEFA their team sheets with the line-ups, and an Instagram picture isn't exactly a reliable source. For now I'd say it would be best to keep the 3-4-3, and we'll get a better look at the formation as the match progresses. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:51, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
They probably release only the names and UEFA itself draws the line ups. That being said though, it seems they're playing as 4-2-3-1 and the UCL's official Twitter list the team sheet as 4-2-3-1 (see here). Gsfelipe94 (talk) 18:56, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
@Gsfelipe94: That Tweet does not have any specific formation. UEFA is a much more reliable source than a club's social media accounts. All line-up images for UEFA matches on Wikipedia use the official PDF, so this match should as well. The images are only intended to be indicative anyway. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:46, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

S.L. Benfica Kit[edit]

Hey, mate! I saw you did the 2017–18 home kit for FC Bayern Munich. Can you make the away kit for S.L. Benfica? This is the shirt and these are the shorts and socks. Besteirense (talk) 23:32, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Besteirense: Sorry, unfortunately I'm not the most talented with making kits, and the Bayern kit I uploaded was designed by someone else, I just removed the manufacturer logo. But there are many others who can do a better job. S.A. Julio (talk) 10:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Oh, okay. I'll try to find someone else. Thanks, anyway. Besteirense (talk) 13:29, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Cambridge United[edit]

Hi SA Julio

You have deleted information on 2016–17 Cambridge United F.C. season citing discussion and consensus at WT:FOOTY. There are 109 archive pages here and I have searched using terms like "penalties" but cannot see this discussion - can you give me an exact reference please, until then please don't delete. thanks Footielad (talk) 09:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@Footielad: Please see the most recent discussion at WT:FOOTY, to which you were pinged. Continually reverting does not help. S.A. Julio (talk) 10:12, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


Did you even read the guideline? The over-reliance on images that make it difficult for those with visual impairments and who rely on screen readers to navigate web sites is one of the two main reasons I left the FOOTY project. If you think that a German team playing another German team needs a flag and neither is representing their nation during the match, you're missing the point. An international friendly also doesn't require the flag as they're only from those nations, not representing them. But justify it based on the manual not practice elsewere. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:26, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

The flag images contain alt text though. The flags are meant to help the reader identify what country the club is from. I do not believe it is a violation of MOS:FLAG, and this is used commonly on many other articles, like the season articles of Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc., why not remove it there? S.A. Julio (talk) 17:58, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Juventus-Notts County inauguration J-Stadium line up[edit]

Hello. Please can you make a file tactical line up for this match? Page is here and official source is here. GK's kit Buffon in grey and Burch in yellow visible on the video.-- (talk) 15:18, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Does an article on a stadium really need a whole line-up table just for the inaugural match? Seems a bit excessive.. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
As you want. No problem.-- (talk) 13:01, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Australia confeds captaincy[edit]


Just re your reversions on the Australian confeds cup squad template, I believe there is a difference between him being listed as "captain" for a specific match and actually being the sides captain (e.g. any of the bench players could be the "real captain", or it could be a shifting captaincy). I don't think this is strong enough evidence. Cheers, Macosal (talk) 13:59, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

SBS seemed to identify Milligan as the captain. S.A. Julio (talk) 14:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I understand your reasoning, but I really think the best summary of Australia's captain at this tournament was that they had no fixed captain. Cahill was seemingly unaware that he would be captain before last night's game, saying "Last night was special when the boss presented me with the captain’s armband." (here). That to me doesn't sound like the words of someone who was captain "for the tournament," and I think it's misleading / WP:Original Research to suggest that Cahill was the captain all along. There's no problem with not having (c) in the infobox or (captain) on the squad list, to be honest I think that is the best summary available. Macosal (talk) 04:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
@Macosal: Hmm, maybe it's better to leave Milligan as the captain, seeing he captained the first two games, and Cahill was possibly given the armband for his 100th cap? Also Cahill was substituted on in the first two matches, but didn't take the armband from Milligan. Either way, I think someone should be listed as captain (I don't recall seeing a squad nabox without one), I was just wanting to keep the template in sync with the squads article. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:34, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Yeah I don't think there should be a captain indicated on either the template or squads page. WP:Original research is defined as "analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that... directly support the material being presented". This seems like a textbook example of OR to me (it was never stated that anyone was captain, you're looking back at various bits of information and trying to synthesize them to come to a conclusion the sources don't directly support). We could guess either way, but it was never actually stated who the captain was. There's nothing wrong with not having a captain listed, and I'm sure it's happened before. Macosal (talk) 07:56, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
@Macosal: The SBS article states "to line up alongside freshly-anointed stand-in captain Mark Milligan", which I recall reading before the line-ups of the first match were announced, which seems reliable to me. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Women's football teams seasons in templates[edit]

They're okay here, right? Pakhtakorienne (talk) 11:40, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

2017 FIFA Confederations Cup Final[edit]

I do not see the grace, to undo the edit to put back the same information. 😒 -- (talk) 19:56, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@ Because Chile could have equalised in the dying moments? There is a consensus to not update match stats live. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:30, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Image on 1983 European Cup Final[edit]

That image is wrong according the graphic in this source.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 01:52, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Links to DFB website[edit]

@S.A. Julio: Seems like all the links to the DFB website don't work anymore? They must have changed the path to the respective matches slightly. Do you know of an automated process to address this issue. Thanks! Fischer47392 (talk) 09:47, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Fischer47392: Thanks for pointing that out! The site seems to have converted to HTTPS, so I've made a request for a bot to fix all the URLs. S.A. Julio (talk) 13:45, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
@S.A. Julio: Thanks again! Fischer47392 (talk) 15:52, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Women's football season articles in overall season template[edit]

I'd like to link the season-to-season coverage in the Frauen-Bundesliga list of seasons articles such as List of Turbine Potsdam seasons within the overall season templates. Even if it isn't a fully profesional competition, if its season article can be included in the template I don't understand why its teams' season information can't. I think linking them would be an enriching addition to the template while giving valuable visibility to German women's sides. Pakhtakorienne (talk) 23:25, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:SV Meppen squad[edit]

Why are you adding this to articles that don't even mention the club? GiantSnowman 13:22, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: I just created the template, and thought I'd add them to the relevant articles first. Some articles might be out of date, but it's a start and helpful for navigation. S.A. Julio (talk) 13:28, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Understood, though it'd be helpful if you updated (with sources) at the same time (or before!) you add the template, to avoid further confusion. GiantSnowman 13:30, 22 July 2017 (UTC)