User talk:Shantavira

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Hello, Shantavira, and Happy New Year.

I liked your quote on the Ref Desk so much that I've added it to my Favourite quotes. But I promise never to quote it anyone. Best regards. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 03:19, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Your help desk question[edit]

I was surprised no one responded to your question. And you seem to know Wikipedia as well as I do, or better. Still, I recently started looking for unanswered questions that were several days old, and I offered my opinion.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Nascent Canal Articles[edit]

Hi Shantavira. I hope you don't mind, but I made a couple of tweaks to your nascent canal articles. Wikipedia is international, so I added "England" to Birmingham, as not everyone who reads will know where Birmingham is. I have also added imperial units using the comvert template, in two formats. I think they need some more precise dates, rather than 18th and 19th centuries. We know the old main line was built between 1768 and 1772, for instance, which is more precise. You are also going to need refs for the facts, with a references section. Even though they are quite small at the moment, I would add an Infobox (have a look at other canal articles and copy one if you are not sure how to do it), and I would search on Wikimedia Commons for an image for each article. If you cannot find one there, the Geograph project is quite good, and if they have an image which is not on Commons, it can be transferred. I hope this helps. If anything is not clear, please respond! Keep up the good work. Bob1960evens (talk) 11:02, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Spon Lane date[edit]

Hi. Thanks for your many new articles on the canals around Birmingham and the Black Country. I think you need to look again at the date of the Spon Lane Locks Branch which is part of the original and oldest canal to/from Birmingham. I have made some rambling notes on its talk page. Well done for spotting the OS benchmark stud. I saw it for the first time last week and failed to photograph it. My feet were sore at the time. Best wishes. Oosoom Talk 16:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


I replied to your question at Wikipedia:Help desk#proposed redirect. Best. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlkctb) 11:39, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Photos and Commons[edit]

I see you upload photos as well as being active in canal articles. Whilst completely up to you, could I suggest that you look into putting your photos on Wikimedia Commons (site Wikimedia Commons) instead. This makes them available to all the other language Wikipedias instantly and also allows tham to be categorised so that they can more easily be found (something not done on en.Wikipedia). It is quite satisfying to see one's pictures in an article in a foreign language. You would be their foreign correspondent! Oosoom Talk 14:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I did try to log into Commons but got thrown out, and reckoned it wasn't worth trying to fix the problem for local photos. I'll have another go some time. Feel free to move the photos if you know how.--Shantavira|feed me 14:31, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Moving the BCN template[edit]

Hi, I notice you have moved the BCN template from the bottom of a few of the BCN articles. I cannot find any discussion on such a change, and since there are hundreds of canal articles all with a similar template at the botton, wondered what your logic is. It is a particular problem on the BCN articles because many are too short to make it hide itself. Regards. Bob1960evens (talk) 19:59, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Bob. Thank you for your message. The positioning of the template varies from one article to another. There doesn't seem to be any consistency throughout Wikipedia on the positioning of these types of templates and I couldn't find any guidance, but since the purpose of the template is to refer readers to similar topics I thought it would be best placed under the "See also" heading (where this is one). I don't quite see why it's a particular problem with short BCN articles. Suggest we take this to the template talk page if you wish to discuss further.--Shantavira|feed me 07:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. I think it is a problem on short articles because it is so big when displayed in "Show" mode. I am not convinced anyone will see the discussion on the talk page behind the template, since you would have to be pretty determined to find it. Also, while there might be no consistency throughout Wikipedia, all of the canal articles and the river articles have it positioned at the bottom, as do the Norway project, geography articles, holiday camp articles, aircraft articles, and quite a few more. The UK Waterways talk page might be a better place for discussion, though I am not sure how many people look at that regularly, either. Bob1960evens (talk) 08:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I have had a look through random articles in the History, Places, Geography, Transport, Agriculture, Biology, Chemistry, Earth Sciences, Physics, Culture, Education, Economics, Law, Media, Politics, Sport, Theatre and Video Games classifications, and all the ones with similar banners have them positioned at the bottom of the article. I am not sure that it is worth starting a discussion, because the answer will almost certainly be "at the bottom". I cannot see any sensible argument for moving away from a convention that seems to apply over most of English wikipedia. Let me know what you think. Bob1960evens (talk) 14:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm happy for you to move the templates as you see fit. I have only put them in the "see also" section where there is one, which is usually near the bottom anyway. I will ask on the help desk whether there is a general rule for placement, since "see also" seems more logical to me. The other issue is whether to show or hide the template. I changed this to "show" a few months back as I felt that was more helpful to the casual reader; many visitors will simply not see the template contents otherwise. But the usual practice does seem to be to hide the larger templates. Again I'm happy for you to change this. If other editors see it keep changing that might get involved in the debate.--Shantavira|feed me 08:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
One option is to use the "autocollapse" option, which means it will show on shorter articles and hide itself on longer ones. I thought it was already set like this, hence my comments about shorter articles. It seems I was wrong. Bob1960evens (talk) 10:16, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your help in resolving this one. Wikipedia works by concensus, and it can sometimes be quite tricky to obatin one, but not in this case. Well done, by the way, on the Spon Lane Locks Branch and Soho Loop articles. I have added a kml template to one, and some imperial units to the other. Regards. Bob1960evens (talk) 15:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I have just found Wikipedia:Layout#Order of sections, which lists Navigation Templates after External Links, so I think a discussion would have just pointed to that. Cheers. Bob1960evens (talk) 10:57, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Merge of Coalport Canal stub[edit]

Twice in one day! I see you have put a merge tag on the Coalport Canal article, but think it should be merged with Shropshire Canal, not Shropshire Union Canal, since it was part of the first, and was in terminal decline by the time the SU bought out the Shropshire. I have altered it accordingly. Cheers. Bob1960evens (talk) 20:15, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Bypassing redirects[edit]

Hi. I see you recently edited the aricle 4-12-2 to change a wikilink from Gresley Conjugated Valve Gear (each word capitalized) to Gresley conjugated valve gear (only the designer's name capitalized). Since the first version redirects to the second, there's no need to make this kind of change: see WP:REDIRECT#NOTBROKEN. In this case, it probably wasn't harmful but it does fill people's watchlists with edits that don't actually change anything. Dricherby (talk) 17:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject West Midlands[edit]

You may be interested in WikiProject West Midlandsl if so, please add your name to the list of participants. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:39, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Invitation from WikiProject India[edit]

Flag of India.svg Namaste! Shantavira,

Behalf of WikiProject India I invite you to join our project. To see what is happening now in WikiProject India, follow our noticeboard. If you are not a member already, you can add your name here. Thank you.

Tito Dutta (contact) 20:52, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect application of WP:D3[edit]

Hi, I noticed you have made edits to a few disambiguation pages citing del non-articles per WP:D3 in your edit summary. But some of your edits have also remove legitimate entries for the pages. WP:D3 is only meant to be a summary of WP:Disambiguation and WP:MOSDAB and it is not comprehensive. In particular, it does not actually say that "non-article" entries should be removed. Please see WP:DABMENTION and WP:DABRL for more details on legitimate entries that don't have articles. olderwiser 16:12, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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West Midlands Police Museum editathon[edit]

Hi, I see you're in Birmingham. You may be interested in this event. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:10, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Global account[edit]

Hi Shantavira! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 22:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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