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"Non constructive" contrib deleted[edit]

Hi, my contrib was constructive, I just typed the right info, the ISO language code for Urdu. YOU're not constructive. Bye |89.3.201.163 (talk) 09:21, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, yes that message was sent by a mistake, I immediately removed it from your talk page. Sorry Petrb (talk) 09:35, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Reversion of removal of templates[edit]

I reverted your removal or warning templates on User_talk:72.76.109.199. I believe it is totally inappropriate to remove templates for the current month. This deprives administrators from seeing the warning a user has received at a glance.

In fact I think removal of warning templates is generally inadvisable. Archiving them would be much more appropriate.

Peaceray (talk) 22:01, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, do you realize that the person who was using that IP address in the time when you restored the templates is someone completely else than person who these templates were meant to? Possibly a new contributor who just received a bunch of irrelevant templates that they have no idea what they mean. New users don't understand concept of templates, they probably most likely don't even realize these templates are old or they were sent long time ago. They open their talk page, see it for first time in life and see lot of warnings and unfriendly messages that have nothing to do with their actual contribution. Do you think these people will stay on Wikipedia? Petrb (talk) 08:07, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Hmmm, I think that I disagree with some of your assertions. Let me go through those with which I disagree.
  • The person(s) who who made these edits as IP address 72.76.109.199, with one exception, exclusively has edited film-related articles, the vast majority of which are about the Academy Awards. 72.76.109.199 has also never left an edit summary for any of 900+ edits. I think that is a pretty good indication that this is a single editor.
  • 72.76.109.199's First edit was on 2017-07-16. The first warning template appeared on 2017-07-31, just four weeks ago. I would hardly characterize these as old, & they certainly continue to be pertinent to the current editing.
  • As a member of the Welcoming Committe, I believe that the first thing that should appear on a user's talk page (unless that user has removed it) should be a welcome message. I almost exclusively use Welcome templates used by Twinkle. In this IP user's case, another editor placed a welcome message on 2017-07-30.
  • I do know that this IP editor has seen her/his talk page on 2017-08-12 from this edit s/he made.
While not a Wikipedia standard, as the serial comma states, In American English, a majority of style guides mandate use of the serial comma, including APA style, The Chicago Manual of Style, The MLA Style Manual, Strunk and White's Elements of Style, and the U.S. Government Printing Office Style Manual. IMHO as someone with an English BA & experience with style guides as a former part-time university instructor & reference librarian, they are grammatically proper. While removal of serial commas probably does not rise to the level of vandalism, this behavior certainly can be disruptive, just like unnecessarily changing between Indian, British, or American English, or switching between DMY, MDY, or YMD date formats. I have indicated that I object to this user systematically removing serial commas on the user talk page, yet this editor has not engaged in a discussion, but just continued removing them, although just recently this seems to have done this less frequently. I placed this twice on the Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism page. The first time resulted in a 31-hour block, the second was merely deleted presumably to clear a backlog that was of lesser priority. When I do revert this editor some of the time, it is usually now with the message Edits include disruptive removal of serial commas by an IP editor without explanation in the edit summary. This editor has not responded to requests on the user talk page to cease this activity. My reversions seem to be slowly having the effect as this IP editor seems to be removing serial commas less & less frequently.
To summarize: As of 2017-08-28, warning templates are not older than four weeks, the first thing on the talk page is a welcome message, there appears to be only a single editor using this IP address at present, & that editor read & edited the user talk page on 2017-08-12.
I do believe that I have done due diligence concerning this IP editor. Face-smile.svg
Peaceray (talk) 17:05, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

ArbCom 2017 election voter message[edit]

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Sincere thanks for your help! Porteclefs (talk) 11:53, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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This is for being an excellent developer of Huggle, MediaWiki, and other technical softwares that make editing Wikipedia or wikis in general much improved and easier. Your work is appreciated! SkyGazer 512 talk / contributions / subpages 16:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:Huggle[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgModule:Huggle has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 17:08, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hi, thank you for triaging T192047 as high priority issue! Face-smile.svg

I was afraid I might have annoyed you with T191930 before. Sorry if the reason for re-opening the bug appears to be unnecessarily demanding. I have actually implemented a workaround now, and it does work except for "warning", which coincidentally happens to be at the bottom of the list anyway. I am unsure if this is really a suitable long-term solution, and I'd argue that there might be no good reason to manually implement any other sorting than a strictly alphabetical one, to keep the menu user-friendly and easy to navigate.

Do you think we should coordinate the next Huggle release with the enwiki Huggle config change? Would T191930 likely be part of it, and is there any suggestion on how long I should wait with the config change? We lack testing by an administrator yet; everything that rollbackers can test seems to work so far.

There is a little issue that you might be able to quickly point out to me, knowing how the program works behind the scenes: Huggle 3.5 does not yet detect the presence of shared IP warnings on IP talk pages, or - more likely - my configuration has an error in the last two lines: User:ToBeFree/Huggle-Config-Sandbox.yaml

These lines have been copied from the legacy config and surprisingly worked out of the box... almost.

To me, it looks like "shared-ip-template-tag:" is meant to give Huggle a hint what to look for, and it doesn't find this on IP talk pages even if it is there. The result: Huggle adds the "shared-ip-template", not caring if it has already been added by Twinkle or Huggle. Am I using the YAML syntax wrongly here? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:31, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

PS: You might be considering doing the last needed tests and then copying the sandbox content to the original page as a nice-meant gesture. But I'd love to make the enwiki main config update myself -- please let me have that glorious moment of making my update go live. Face-wink.svg ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:36, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

PPS: Here's an example of the issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:178.202.191.79&oldid=839696657 -- it's not bad, but it's not perfect yet either. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, there is no need to apologize for creation of tickets, I don't know what is Huggle 3.5, do you mean 3.3.5? Did it work in previous versions and if yes, in which version? Next Huggle release is quite major update (3.4.0) and will happen probably in weeks (or months?) so I don't know if you should wait for it. Legacy Huggle was using its own syntax for config, new version is using YAML, there are many syntax validators available out there. Petrb (talk) 18:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I meant 3.3.5! I originally wrote a long explanation here, but I noticed that the problem has been magically solved! Face-smile.svg It has probably been a caching issue.
Original problem: This duplicate addition of the shared-ip-template.
Today I tried again, and the issue did not happen again.
~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:58, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
For the English Wikipedia (and thus for me), T191930 has been solved by your tip. Thanks again! Emoji u1f603.svg
About the Huggle release, unless the re-sorting of the welcome message list has any effect on keyboard shortcuts, I think that I won't specifically wait for 3.4.0. All problems have been nicely solved! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:25, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png Thank you very much for helping with phab:T191930 and phab:T192047!

This has allowed me to let the Huggle configuration change go live. Face-smile.svg ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:44, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Mats Valk[edit]

Hello! I see you reverted an edit here although the edit was constructive - it just brought the information up to date - as you can see here. I know that 84.106.82.192 is rather disruptive at times, but this seems to be a false positive. I'm going to restore 84.106.82.192's edit. Just FYI, in case you're wondering what's going on. Yours, Judith Sunrise (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Interesting, I preventively reverted all edits made by that IP, because all of them with this exception were pure vandalism, so I assumed this one was vandalism as well. Petrb (talk) 18:45, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Config[edit]

Hi. I downloaded Huggle's source code (tar.gz). I tried to run "huggle3-qt-lx/configure". It shows this:

/Users/??/Downloads/huggle3-qt-lx/configure ; exit;
??-MacBook-Air:~ ??$ /Users/??/Downloads/huggle3-qt-lx/configure ; exit;
Checking all required packages...
Checking for cmake...                                                  [OK]
The libirc directories are missing! Fixing by using a backup file...
/Users/??/Downloads/huggle3-qt-lx/configure: line 207: cd: src/3rd: No such file or directory
logout
Saving session...
...copying shared history...
...saving history...truncating history files...
...completed.
[Process completed]

Is the "libirc" related to the IRC inside Huggle (which I asked in Feedback a week ago)? ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 09:21, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

However, when I tried Huggle 3.3.0 the irc works fine (can show who’s online) lol. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 09:41, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
I tested versions 3.3.0, 3.3.1, 3.3.2, 3.3.3, 3.3.4, 3.3.5. From 3.3.0 to 3.3.3, I still can see online users, but from 3.3.4 onwards, it didn't show up, so I think that the problem is between versions 3.3.3 and 3.3.4. Thanks. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 11:34, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
OK, anyway that configure script needs to be started from terminal while active directory is Huggle's repo. Petrb (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Javascript extension[edit]

Hi Petr, regarding this, I would like to request a script that can notify you when receiving notices (thank or article reviewed) or someone's ping? I don't know if that's possible. Thanks. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 10:57, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

I will try to make that. Petrb (talk) 15:54, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Huggle feature[edit]

I also wonder if normal edits can be performed in Huggle. It would be much convenient. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 11:07, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, in latest beta you can do that Petrb (talk) 16:51, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I’ll try that ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 21:23, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Traffic counter extension[edit]

Hi Petr I just checked out the traffic counter extension you made. It was pretty good. However, I found that the overlay box is a bit dumb. I think that Huggle users have a certain level of concern regarding the network traffic Huggle is using (because of the huge queue of edits). Can it be an official feature of Huggle rather be an extension? It should be best located at right hand side of the bottom bar (Processing X edits and X queries). Thanks. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 06:37, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

The problem here is that it's not accurate, that's why it's just an extension. Some of the traffic is compressed and encrypted. The calculated size is size of decrypted and uncompressed packets only. So given that it's not giving you exact traffic usage as seen by OS, I decided not to put it to main interface so that people don't complain about it not being accurate if compared by some OS tools for traffic monitoring. Petrb (talk) 08:38, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok understood. How about moving it to the bottom bar? As I've said, it looks dumb and too big. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 08:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Here is versin for you: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Huggle/JS/traffic_status.js it looks pretty ugly on low res screens though, because it doesn't fit to status bar size. You will need to get latest nightly build for it to work. Petrb (talk) 12:43, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Huggle - thank you[edit]

Hi Petr, Thank you for your assistance and I have reinstalled Hunggle and it works. Btw, I have been to your lovely country. Prague is such a beautiful medieval city with all the breathtaking architecture of different eras and style. Cheers and see you on Huggle. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:37, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Using talk pages[edit]

About your comment here.

How you feel about racism or what is "evil" has no place on an article talk page. Your speculations about how some group might perceive editorial choices, has no place on an article talk page.

Please base your comments on reliable sources, and the policies and guidelines, in the future. Thanks.

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. I am glad to see that you are discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as Talk:Sarah Jeong are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines, not for general discussion about the topic or unrelated topics, or statements based on your thoughts or feelings. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Thank you. Jytdog (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your template, welcome to Wikipedia as well! Sending warning templates to long-term contributors is considered extremely rude, impolite and generally dumb thing to do, and I will end this discussion with giving that information to you. Bye Petrb (talk) 19:58, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
If you make newbie mistakes, you get newbie reminders of what is correct.
I am aware that some people find template messages offensive. You are apparently one of those people. You can let people know you are a member of the WP:DTR school with an edit note or by using {{Don't template me}}. Jytdog (talk) 20:46, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
@Jytdog: WP:DTTR ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 01:39, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
You should try reading what i wrote and clicking on the links that you don't recognize. Jytdog (talk) 01:52, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
You should try stop templating regulars and reading essays that you don't really care. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 13:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Abelmoschus, I think it's better if you don't feed the troll and let this thread vanish into past... ;) Petrb (talk) 16:46, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
This from a person who actually thinks that a media circus should drive WP content. This comment at the article talk page is just so deeply incorrect with regard to WP:NPOV and WP:NOT, two of the most important policies we have. Please do read WP:NOT and especially WP:NOTNEWS, and WP:RECENTISM as well. Good lord. Jytdog (talk) 19:22, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Huggle 3.4.4[edit]

Hi Petrb,

If, for simplicity, I delete an underside of an article with Huggle using the Control + D key, because the content of the page was nonsense (for example [1]), then the discussion page of the main article [2] automatically becomes „Page dependent on a non-existent or deleted page“. Can this be turned off by the software? Greetings and thanks. Regi51 (talk) 18:59, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, what exactly do you mean by "underside" of an article? You mean the subpage /Staffel_12? You say that when you want to delete a subpage, Huggle also deletes the talk page of root page? If yes, that is a bug. Petrb (talk) 11:38, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Petrb, that's what I mean. If you look here. Incidentally, I find the helper you programmed wonderful and I do not want to miss it anymore. greetings Regi51 (talk) 18:22, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
T203385 Petrb (talk) 10:54, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Regi51 (talk) 18:51, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
It just happened again, while the Phab claims to be solved. Is there something more to do about this? Grüße vom Sänger ♫ (talk) 15:16, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello, can you please try with latest nightly build: https://petr.insw.cz/huggle/nightly/huggle3.zip Petrb (talk) 09:16, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Huggle manual header template needs new user config link[edit]

Hi Petrb

As posted on #huggle IRC chat:

[18:26] <waddie96> the {{Wikipedia:Huggle/Header}} template at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Huggle/Header needs a link to the new 'User config' now stored at Special:MyPage/huggle.yaml.js
[18:27] <waddie96> the header template is used with different source code on meta and mediawiki
[18:28] <waddie96> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Huggle
[18:28] <waddie96> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huggle/Download

Best, Waddie96 (talk) 16:32, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, you can fix it! Everyone can edit ;) Petrb (talk) 11:18, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Huggle on Commons[edit]

Dear Petrb, what can be done to activate Huggle on Commons? Please see present discussion on Common Village pump, and an old discussion on Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback/Archive_16#Commons from April 2011. Dan Koehl (talk) 09:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I am also interested in using Huggle on Commons (I can't use it here).   — Jeff G. ツ 10:25, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149290 Petrb (talk) 19:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
A further step has been taken on Commons, when the icons became changed, so the four different levels now have different icons, please see discussion on Commons Dan Koehl (talk) 13:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Huggle on svwiki[edit]

Meanwhile on svwiki, other users has told me on my svwiki talk page that they are not happy with how Huggle interact with their manual updates of user pages with warning signs, after they get blocked etc. A somewhat difficault problem to illustrate, maybe you can see the discussion through some kind of translation. I may in short time be able to relate to those problems better, so far I didnt use Huggle during the last day, before I get confirmed, that the other users do not view my Huggling, as abuse of the svwiki. Initially, I have tried to modify warning 1, but have not made further. Its a bit strange this issue comes up now, after Huggle has ben used on svwiki since over 8 years? Dan Koehl (talk) 13:21, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

The file I so far have tried to correct and make functional on svwiki, is located https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mall:Huggle/test-1. I will wait with the other three, until it is identified what kind of problem that affects the warned users pages. Dan Koehl (talk) 14:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello, can you describe what exactly is happening that is wrong? Petrb (talk) 14:10, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

ArbCom 2018 election voter message[edit]

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Happy new year[edit]

Wikipedia Happy New Year.png Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2019!

Hi Petrb, Sending you a warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019 and may this new year bring you joy and laughter. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 15:49, 13 December 2018 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Thank you, happy new year and jolly xmass to you as well! Petrb (talk) 21:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

Wikipedia Happy New Year.png Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Petrb, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

Abelmoschus Esculentus talk / contribs 08:17, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Thanks, to you as well buddy! Petrb (talk) 21:26, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year![edit]

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.

Merry Christmas Petrb![edit]

Happy New Year Petr! Thank you again for all your work on Huggle! --Framawiki (please notify) (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you too! Petrb (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)