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Happy editing! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Sources are always needed. They need not be web pages. References to car enthusiast magazines of the era would suffice. You can find back copies of these at your local library. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do have sources in that case. The french RTA mentions the limited edition of the Sierra GT, and I could ask the Ford Dealsership owner I talked to if he has anything to back up his story. Not to mention my vehicle registration wich is litteraly registered as "Sierra 2L SSP".

However I do not know how to add these sources in my article, and I do not want to share my vehicle registration, for obvious reasons Sheriff LeMans (talk) 19:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what the "French RTA" is, but if it is a publication, it can be referenced. So can any published owner's manuals. (If you still have the owner's manual for your car, you could see if it verifies the information you added.) It's unlikely that such a source would verify your information about the use (and failure) of the SSP as a police vehicle. You'd need newspaper or magazine articles from the time to document that. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:40, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: this edit: you've added sources, but they're mostly quite poor sources. A hobbyist forum, a private blog that doesn't even verify your fact, but only defines what a police package is, and another hobbyist forum: none of these are reliable sources. You've also added references to sources that may not be available to the general public -- these are invalid as they disallow other users from verifying the cited information. I'm not going to revert the edit immediately (although I will tag the problems); you can take some time to fix them. There's no deadline at Wikipedia. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the hoax attempt. There is no need to leave such obvious falsehoods in. If you email me a scan of the RTA article and it supports the existence of a US police package and European sales of such leftovers I will personally apologize and restore all of the content. Mr.choppers | ✎ 21:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You really got some nerves do you? "hoax attempt"? You never read what I wrote, and it shows. I never sait it was a Cosworth engine, I sait it was remanufactured by Cosworth. Look it up. Pinto 2.0L bloc code "205". You'll se your blatent incomptetence in bright light. I never said it was a US-market version either. I don't know who you are and I honestly don't care, but you're acting as a douche.

You know that an RTA will never mention sales report do you? It's a TECHNICAL GUIDE, made to help you fix your car. It mentions a limited "GT" series, that's why it's in my sources.

I see what kind of person you are. You don't believe in something so it doesn't exist. Good for you.

I wanted to share 2 years of research about the history of my car (witch IS a Sierra SSP btw) but I guess the Lord MrChoppers doesn't want to listen. Sheriff LeMans (talk) 23:06, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And btw, as far as I'm concerned, you're accusing me of writing "obvious falsehoods". However, I don't recall you proving me wrong... I mean, I might not have written evidence to support my article, sure, but you don't have any documents that proves the non-existence of this version... So your decision is purely based on "your guts", and no clear evidence.

You also forgot that "SSP" is the abreviation of "Special Service Package", a package included in Every. Single. Ford. that leaves the production line to go to police departments. And I'm not talking about US police depts. I'm talking about every single police depts of every country. So the UK, Belgian, German, Luxembourg, Greek, Slovak police depts had "SSP" versions of the sierra.

It's obvious that I will not send you any of the documents related to the registration of my car, because you're a stranger online and it would break like... 10 european rules.

So sleep on it Sheriff LeMans (talk) 23:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 1987, Ford tried to boost the Sierra's popularity in the USA. Seeing the success of their flagship sedan with police departments in several European countries (United Kingdom, Ireland, Luxembourg, Belgium, Germany, etc.), Ford made the decision to offer an SSP version of the Sierra to some US police departments. The SSP version was powered by a Pinto 2.0L OHC engine, remanufactured by Cosworth, producing 135hp, paired to a 5-speed Type 9 manual gearbox. The model also offered a more powerful alternator as well as larger front brake discs and a reinforced clutch. Despite all these efforts, it was another failure for the Sierra in the US. Delivering insufficient power, only available with a manual gearbox, and with poor fuel efficiency, the Ford Sierra SSP didn't have a long career in law enforcement, and did not often go out on patrol. In 1988, Ford had a hundred of those Sierra that could not be sold in the USA (without risking a lawsuit from General Motors, had non-compliant safety equipment, etc...). This is the reason why, at the beginning of 1988, Ford offered in Europe a limited series of the Sierra, called the "GT Limited Series", powered by a Pinto 2.0L OHC block (engine code 205 ) of 135hp... it's all made up and you are making yourself ridiculous. Mr.choppers | ✎ 14:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So... Your only argument is quoting my article.

Let's begin the show then.

"Ford made the decision to offer an SSP version of the Sierra to some US police departments."

It's a pretty common thing, manufacturers tend to offer some vehicles to law enforcement, hoping a return. It doesn't mean that they are entering the public market tho.

"Despite all these efforts, it was another failure for the Sierra in the US."

I really don't see why you think I'm wrong here. We all know the Sierra (even the XR4Ti) has been a failure in the US.

"Ford had a hundred of those Sierra that could not be sold in the USA (without risking a lawsuit from General Motors, had non-compliant safety equipment, etc...)"

Do you know anything about the law in the US? GM had the rights of the name "Sierra". So obviously Ford couldn't sell them... And they weren't going to sell them as XR4TI, because they weren't XR4Ti....

You think I'm making myself ridiculous, but you're still not showing any knowledge about neither US cop cars nor anything Ford Sierra related.

What I find scandalous is that in the entire page about the Ford Sierra there is NO MENTION AT ALL of the police versions of the Sierra (even European ones).

It makes me think that maybe you have a problem with anything cop related. Go check yourself please. You're probably 40/50y.o behind your screen all day. Find a life instead of jumping on everybody. I've read your message history, it's not the first time you act like an asshole to somebody. Sheriff LeMans (talk) 16:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]