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September 2013[edit]

Your work on Pink[edit]

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For your 60+ edits to and large reworking of the article...Have a star. — Reatlas (talk) 12:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for this- I really, really appreciate it!SiefkinDR (talk) 13:58, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Greetings and... reply[edit]

Greetings SiefkinDR. Thanks for your note. Sorry if the comment above seems a bit terse – I was on automatic pilot and just clicked the standard Twinkle template. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 17:58, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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December 2013[edit]

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Names for colours[edit]

In what way is it irrelevant to write about different names for the same colour used in the English language?

If you think that the information is in the wrong place, please explain why and do not delete it, move it. I have reverted your edits. Arms Jones (talk) 09:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

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February 2014[edit]

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Editor of the Week[edit]

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User:Buster7 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

As suggested by User:Iselilja, I nominate SiefkinDR as Editor of the Week. A veteran editor who has contributed with a major re-write of the Napoleon III article and contributions to the articles about the major colors (as well as many minor colors). Block-free work primarily on content with interests that vary from fountains to gardens, from France to Russia. He has worked on many, many articles (listed on his user page) and has autopatroller and reviewer rights. Editor of the Week was created to recognize under-appreciated content contributors, and Editor SiefkinDR certainly meets that description.

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Thanks again for your efforts! Go Phightins! 13:15, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Congratulations! Well deserved for your fine work at Wikipedia. Best regards, Iselilja (talk) 14:15, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for all you do. ```Buster Seven Talk 01:16, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

March 2014[edit]

Paris[edit]

Hello SiefkinDR:

I just left a comment at Paris talk page with a msg addressed to you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Paris#Size_of_the_history_section

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 20 May[edit]

Paris[edit]

Thanks for your thanks, SiefkinDR, but simply enjoying a stroll thru Paris in your footsteps... with my pockets filled with accents & cédilles: an enjoyable pastime:)--Blue Indigo (talk) 20:14, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


Timeline of Paris[edit]

Dear SiefkinDR,
Many thanks for your excellent adds to the Timeline of Paris. I wonder if you would consider changing the section headings from interpretive phrases (e.g., "Renaissance," "Restoration" etc.) to more neutral language (e.g. "19th century" etc.). Timelines can be useful in surfacing lesser-known aspects of city history, especially those that do not fit into prevailing narrative frames. Your thoughts? M2545 (talk) 12:45, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I agree overlong sections should have sub-headings; see for example Timeline of Boston, divided by decade. The Paris timeline might be divided by century and decade (e.g. "1800s-1850s" etc.) with "see also" links to narrative articles about the larger sweep of French history (e.g. French Second Empire). Also FYI the French-language Chronologie de l'histoire de Paris headings consist mostly of neutral point of view language. Again, thanks for your great work on Paris history (and fountains and gardens!) M2545 (talk) 14:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Economic history of Paris[edit]

In the Timeline of Paris please do not delete items of significance to economic and cultural history. Perfumers and mirror-makers are quite notable in city's history, especially according to scholars such as Joan DeJean, as cited. Readers would be grateful if you would restore the items recently deleted. Thanks. M2545 (talk) 19:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Standards for inclusion of items in Timeline of Paris[edit]

Hmm. [1]: Interpretation of "important events" is open for debate, I think. In my opinion city history should include significant events in business, high culture, spectacle, architecture, pop culture, politics, media, city-state relations, etc. [2]: Length of timeline is also open for debate. Some readers prefer inclusive timelines (see Baltimore or Brooklyn) whilst others prefer brevity and concision. Since the Wikipedia platform affords both long and short articles, why not start by creating a long version? Pre-Wikipedia published timelines were physically constrained by limitations of paper and print, but not anymore. Another option might be found in the Atlanta Timeline sidebar, which includes a link to a longer, extended version. [3]: It is possible also to design the timeline so that major events (e.g. storming of Bastille) are indicated by color or some other formal device. M2545 (talk) 21:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


"in business" versus "opens"[edit]

Hello SiefkinDR. Thank you again for your wonderful contributions to the Timeline of Paris. Would you please provide an explanation for (repeatedly) rephrasing "in business" to "opens"? I am confused. M2545 (talk) 08:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. I changed "in business" to "opens" in several cases because "in business" is indefinite; many of these stores and restaurants are still in business today; the articles to which these dates linked give this date as the date they opened, which is think is the more correct term on a timeline. In a few cases cases I corrected the date or the name of the given restaurant or store, according to the information in the link given.SiefkinDR (talk) 14:01, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. It's a good a idea. Could we also signal the commercial nature of the business entity that's opened? Words like "restaurant", "brasserie", "cafe", "hotel", "shop" imply commercial enterprise, but in cases of ambiguity, maybe include nuanced language like "X begins business" or "X opens for business". I think it is helpful to readers to distinguish between charitable and profit-seeking ventures, public and private efforts, etc. M2545 (talk) 10:40, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I see your concerns. I'll do that on future entries. SiefkinDR (talk) 12:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Crillon vs French Navy[edit]

Bonjour!

Thank you for pointing out to me my - you're so kind & diplomatic :) - *small* mistake and, by doing so, probably avoiding an incident diplomatique between the concierges of the Hôtel de Crillon and Hôtel de la Marine, and the CEO of the Bal des Débutantes. Mistake corrected. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paris&diff=615670633&oldid=615595849

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 09:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Department of Egyptian Antiquities of the Louvre[edit]

Hi, you might be interested in expanding this.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:43, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014[edit]

Paris[edit]

Bonjour SiefkinDR! Thanks for your thanks. --Blue Indigo (talk) 10:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The last two paragraphs of Middle Ages & Renaissance section
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris#Middle_Ages_and_the_Renaissance
having to do with reign of Louis XIV, should we not add something to title of section as Louix XIV was not a Renaissance king, the last one being Henri IV.
Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 14:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for doing it. --Blue Indigo (talk) 20:53, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

FYI: formatting repeated citations[edit]

Hi SiefkinDR. FYI: Here's how to format repeated citations in an article. Warm regards, M2545 (talk) 11:42, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Paris Timeline[edit]

Could not resist... --Blue Indigo (talk) 00:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

cupcakes 4 u[edit]

Cheshire cupcakes.jpg - M2545 (talk) 18:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Red[edit]

I see that you deleted fire and beauty as common associations with the color red due to not being in a specific survey. However, these are still very common associations (especially fire) as stated in the citations I provided. Therefore, I personally believe they are worthy of mention and should not be excluded from the article. One survey isn't enough to determine the common associations of the color. ANDROS1337TALK 01:26, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Dear Andros,

Thanks for your constructive comments. There's a history to the list of associations in the major color articles. A few years ago, people were adding any associations they wanted to the color articles, and there was a list of several dozen associations for red, some of which were logical, some rather far-fetched, most quite personal and subjective. At that point I and other editors standardized the format for color articles, with a short list of the strongest associations of each color, according to the surveys published by Eva Heller. More detail follows in the article. Also, we chose only those associations which the surveys published by Eva Heller showed were the strongest. For example, "heat" is also associated by many people with yellow and orange, but red is the strongest, with 47 percent. If we put every association of a color into the lead, it would be much too long and would probably be of little value.

You proposed adding "fire" and "beauty". I think fire falls under "heat", so I think it is covered in the lead, but we could say "heat and fire" as one item. If you have some specific examples of red being associated with fire, you should put them into the body of the article. "Beauty" is more difficult, because by definition it's entirely subjective. It's not mentioned at all in the survey, because everyone has a different idea of what beauty is, and I don't think there's any agreement that red is the most beautiful color. Do you have some data that shows that red is considered by the public more beautiful than any other color? If not, I don't think it would belong in the lead. If you have some examples of red associated with beauty, they can go into the body of the article.

I welcome your further thoughts and ideas on how to improve the article.

SiefkinDR (talk) 09:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

= September 2014[edit]

My talk page[edit]

For answer to your comment, please go to my talk page. Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 06:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Paris[edit]

RE: Photo-club de Paris, please go to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Timeline_of_Paris#Photo-club_de_Paris

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 08:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for adding Daguerre's early photograph. Founding of the Photo-club de Paris in 1888 should also be there, as you had it previously: it's your baby... à vous l'honneur de l'y remettre! I have not been able to find the exact date (day/month) in 1888, but we can add it when we get it.
Best, --Blue Indigo (talk) 11:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

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Timeline of Paris: 15th thru 17th century[edit]

Dear Siefkin!

Considering its length, should not the 17th century have its own section, thus leaving 15th & 16th together?

Regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 11:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Siefkin, please go to my talk page for comment on your msg.
OK for your plans on centuries
Regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 18:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Paris: 17th century[edit]

Bonjour Siefkin - As you must have noticed, I followed your steps in 17th century Paris & have not gone any further - not much time.

It is a good idea to have sections for the 17th century; however, by dividing it between Louis XIII & Louis XIV, you skipped Henri IV who "owns" it until the day of his assassination on 14 May 1610. Moreover, projects undertaken by the 8-year old king Louis XIII & his mother immediately after the death of Henri IV were Henri IV's projects being continued.

Keep up the good work!

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 21:26, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Age of Louis XIV[edit]

Dear Blue Indigo, Thanks for your very helpful edits and ideas. I would like to include Henry IV in the 17th C. but also keep the centuries intact, rather than organizing by reign; let me think about that one.

One question about the age of Louis XIV when his father died; he was born on 5 September 1638 and his father died on 14 May 1643- doesn't that make him four years old rather than five years old when his father died?

Please keep up your good work!

SiefkinDR (talk) 18:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Dear Siefkin,
Born on 5 September 1638, Louis le petit, futur Louis le Grand, would have been five years old on 5 September 1643...
which means that,on 14 May 1643, the day his father died (Le Roi est mort),
L. XIV, the new king (Vive le Roi) was 4 years, 8 months & 9 days,
which means that you are correct,
and second time that you catch me.
You're sharp!
Henri Quatre has one foot in the 16th century & the other in the 17th, and he has so much importance in French history: first Bourbon king, he had to fight for the throne, put an end to the French civil wars on religion, and he was a great urbanist who would have transformed Paris & done a lot for the rest of the country. In other words, he was a very modern man. I am sure you'll come up with the right answer.
As for L. XIII, born on 27 September 1601, he was going to be nine on his birthday following the assassination (14.May 1610) of his father,
at which time he was 8 years, 7 months & 17 days.
Correct?.
The reason I am bringing up L.XIII's age at death of his father is because he was still very young & works done in Paris at beginning of his reign, Place Royale, Île Saint-Louis, for instance, were simply the continuation (undertaken by his mother) of his father's wide urbanisation projects in the capital, not to mention the rest of France.
Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 19:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

October 2014[edit]

Timeline of Paris... suite...[edit]

Oops! Noticing you are working on it, so will stay away... Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 08:58, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Siefkin,
If you care to use it, here is a great miniature enluminée, by Jean Fouquet, of the burning at the stake of the Amauriciens:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaury_de_Chartres#mediaviewer/File:Supplice_des_Amauriciens.jpg.
It shows how close the event took place outside the wall of Paris, and that king Philippe II was in attendance (!)
Maybe this should be put on Timeline of Paris talkpage. Please do it if you think it proper.
Bonne journée! --Blue Indigo (talk) 12:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Siefkin,

Meridian Room (or Cassini Room) at the Paris Observatory, 61 avenue de l'Observatoire (14th arrondissement). The Paris meridian is traced on the floor.

Thanks for your thanks: it's a pleasure.

In case you would like to use another picture on article, there is the not much used "Paris meridian" at the Observatory of Paris in 14th arrondissement.

Also, next time I edit article, RE "the King, Queen Mother and Mazarin" fleeing Paris in 1648 & 1649, I plan on changing it to "royal family" and Mazarin, because there was also Louis XIV's younger brother, the duc d'Orléans - in fact, even the court.

Just want to check with you beforehand.

Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 22:33, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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I wanted to let you know[edit]

that we (Boring History Guy and I) are wanting to change the name if an article you created from History of fountains in the United States to Fountains in the United States because it seems to have morphed into more than a history. You might want to cheek out the amazing chart that BHG has done there, if you have a moment. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:01, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

== Thank you for asking, and yes, I would support that. I like the chart. Thanks for your good work! SiefkinDR (talk) 06:19, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


GAR[edit]

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Paris at Promenader[edit]

Cher Monsieur,

Vous êtes invité à vous rendre chez le Promenader.

Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 14:27, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Siefkin,
Ai mis une petite note après votre commentaire chez le Promenader
Bonne nuit! :--Blue Indigo (talk) 01:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Siefkin,
Left a note at the Promenader answering your question on being in Paris.
Will not have time for maybe a couple of days to check Timeline. As you may have noticed, I am working on it century by century, and never got past the 19th, I believe. The reason it seems to be slow going is that everytime you add stuff (!), I check the whole century again: I don't want to overlook details. I am sure you have figured it out. Sorry about the bridges! It finally hit me!
Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 22:45, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


Paris[edit]

Extremely busy but will try to keep up with you thru Paris as much as I can & as quickly as possible. That's all for today! Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 18:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

SDR, Noticed on your last edit that you brought some accents aigus with you!
In case of need, here are a few cédilles etc: ççççç, ààààà, ââââ, êêêêê, ëëëëë, îîîîî.
Got more in reserve.
Free field: am over for the day. --Blue Indigo (talk) 08:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Paris[edit]

Can you try at least to learn to format your sources in the sfn style which is used and stop adding unsourced paragraphs. What you wrote on hotels at least was half decent but it was largely unsourced which isn't good enough. The article really needs to be as concise as possible, but I'm afraid that in your quest for making it as comprehensive as possible it affects the overall quality and concision. I don't think any article really needs to be pushing 200kb.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:23, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Can you hold off on working on the article for the moment and consider Wikipedia talk:Paris/Sandbox. I'm trying to rid of the technical problems and restore it but I also want to incorporate your additions provided they're well sourced and decent. If you could try to highlight what you want added by section I think soon enough we can come up with a version we're all relatively happy with.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:07, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi. What I suggested was working on one section at a time and slowly and carefully to ensure that no errors with sourcing creep in. Unless you can all do that then it's pointless trying to work on something together to ensure that everything is done smoothly. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:10, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Do you have the page numbers for ref 16 and 17?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Can you fill out refs 125-7 and 183-193 with cite web templates? Just copy an existing one. Also some of the sources need page numbers I've added 2 ? in page number I think. If you can get into habit of following the existing sourcing system with sfn for books {Sfn|author surname|year|page number} and placing it in the bibliography it will save me an awful amount of time with formatting and allow me to concentrate on the prose instead. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:10, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Can you also add the page numbers for ref 29 and Jarrassé in the Parks section, cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:43, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

I think we can get somewhere if there is mutual respect and understanding here and we try to take it a stage or two at a time. If you can try to follow the referencing formatting exactly as I've done I'll try to retain as much of the content you add and work it in. I think in some places like Admin and Restaurants though we'd be better off having sub articles and keeping things as concise as possible. It's finding a balance between comprehension and concision I think, while keeping it as technically as sound as possible.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:52, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

The architecture section needs a lot of work. I think it needs complete rewrite and to cover more of the different architectural styles, and strong sourcing (of course ;-) ) ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC) It would be great to have detailed history articles by period of Paris!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:30, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

That's fine I think given the importance of the period to French history. The problematic references are citations 120-122, 124, 178-185. Can you replace the [ ] title with proper Template:Cite web templates. Basically copy the following whenever filling out a web source.<ref>{{cite web|url=|title=|publisher=|accessdate=24 November 2014|language=French}}</ref> The title of the article needs to be given and the publisher etc. If it's not in French just remove the parameter. Any web source you use in French though you must state language=French so readers know whether to verify it or not.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:20, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

If English BTW you can just remove the language parameter entirely, it's only for sources in anything other than English. The first stage for this article I think is to make as comprehensive as we can (reasonably!!) get it but balanced (i.e not just a huge history section!) I believe Promenader has written some more material but I only want new material to added on condition that the sourcing is sound first or at least sorted out swiftly afterwards. I want to completely avoid adding unsourced material and poorly formatted sources as it will add to the work load later. Once we have a really comprehensive article we can work on condensing and working on the prose. So feel free to add what you really want provided it is sound with sources and you avoid very short sub sections. Where possible try to use quality book sources and be precise on page numbers when sourcing a given fact. It might get up to a bigger size again afterwards but I think it's important first to ensure it's comprehensive and then it can be chopped down, perhaps creating sub articles like Restaurants in Paris etc. Obviously nothing too bloated though, but you know the city far better than I do. Work on the prose and condensing is best done after the bulk of the writing is done. Once we do get to that stage we might need some discussion on what to file down during that process to avoid conflicts but we'll try to retain as much material as possible and won't be making drastic revisions. Hopefully then we can replace the existing version with as little conflict as possible and try to stop it degrading in the long term. We'll likely need to create sub articles like Restaurants in Paris as I say and try to whittle down to the nitty gritty in the main article but without it affecting quality of course. But in my experience the best articles have been those which have been made very comprehensive first and then condensed down with lots of sub articles from each section.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:13, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Just a tweak here a title parameter is needed and it needs publisher= rather than name- to avoid a ref error sign. Also no gap between access and date. Should be OK if you follw that!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:43, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Just when you were beginning to impress me with your consideration towards sourcing you go and source the lead (which according to MOS doesn't need sourcing) and introduce a lot of wrongly formatted sources again. You'd introduced lots in your recent edits. Please fix them asap into sfn and cite web. I've reverted the lede for now until it can be trimmed a bit without sourcing. But there's sourcing problems now in history and some of the others which should be fixed. Please get into the habit of making sure the sourcing is sound before you add the content.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:49, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Can you address the tone of lead, read WP:Peacock, you introduced words like "iconic", "famous", "masterpieces " which affect neutrality. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:40, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Can you find the page numbers for refs 26 and 40? Cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:13, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

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Au secours![edit]

Dear Siefkin, as I tried to save what I had done at Paris in the Middle Ages, I bumped into an edit conflict with you! If I save my stuff, I will destroy yours... and I don't want to destroy mine, so what do I do??? Am leaving computer on as is & will return later when more time to see how I can save my stuff without getting into a war with you! Best regards!

--Blue Indigo (talk) 12:05, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Try saving what you wrote into a Word or Pages or whatever your text editor is, and then add it to the article later; or just save it, I wasn't making any major edits to the article today, and it doesn't matter if I lose something. I'm glad to have your sharp eye and good historical sense involved! SiefkinDR (talk) 14
55, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
We bumped into each other again! I had just left a note saying that I had got back to the page & was hoping with no damage to your work. By the way, I had saved changes in computer, so did not have to do it all over again. I verified as best as I could & think it is ok; however, if you could take a few minutes to verify, it would be better. Stopped at Church & Clergy. Do not know when able to get back to it, but will, a couple of sections at a time.
Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 15:04, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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Palace of Fontainebleau: doe of the buildings[edit]

Hello SiefkinDR, At 09:48, 23 October 2014, you made an edit to the article on the Palace of Fontainebleau including the words "Following the war, doe of the buildings became the home of the advanced school of artillery and engineering of the French Army...". Can you add your source and correct "doe"?

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Pink and springtime[edit]

See Talk:Pink#Springtime for discussion. ANDROS1337TALK 19:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Merci...[edit]

... pour tous vos mercis. --Blue Indigo (talk) 19:35, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Berlioz[edit]

Siefkin: In Paris under Louis-Philippe, impossible to have caption under Berlioz show. Have tried all means... nothing works. Could you have a look/try at it? Thank you.

--Blue Indigo (talk) 08:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

  • I struggled with poor Hector too; then I found there was an extra symbol in the link, and I also moved it up to make more room for caption, and now it seems to work. By the way, thank you for all of your good edits, your sharp eye and knowledge of history when editing the Paris history pages. I'm doing a new one now, Paris in the ''Belle Époque''. I would be very grateful if you took a look, and if you have suggestions on what should be included or improved. Cordialement, SiefkinDR (talk) 14:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Fantastique... what you did for our dear Berlioz! Merci! Thank you also for bringing him up to face Chopin: something I thought should be done. No thanks are necessary for my edits, and I wish I had more time - following you is quite a challenge, you work at such speed! Will read your article on the Belle Époque, but I also want to go thru other articles you worked on or created, such as Paris in the Middle Ages & in the 18th century, etc. Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 16:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Estampe of Louis-Philippe fleeing Paris[edit]

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b53013686t

Siefkin, this is an 1848 estampe, by Victor Adam, showing Louis-Philippe & his family arriving at place de la Concorde as they are getting ready to leave Paris incognito. It is an interesting picture, but I do not know if it can be used in Wikipedia - probably not!

Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 11:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

It's a great picture and I wish we could use it; there is a category of Victor Adam images in Wiki Commons, but this one unfortunately isn't in it. It seems to me that Gallica images are common in Wiki Commons, and it's more than seventy-five years old; I wonder how we can get it? Can we just upload it into Commons?
By the way, can you help me with another issue? As you may have seen I've started the article on Paris in the ''Belle Époque'', but I seem to have a problem with the title; I was trying to have Belle Epoque in italics, but it ended up as quotation marks, and apparently this kind of title is not permitted in Wikipedia. if you click on the talk page for the article, you're told that this article title is not permitted. The article is still there, and the links to it work, but I think I need to change the title to Paris in the Belle Èpoque. I think this means creating a new article with the correct title and then copying the whole article into it. Would you happen to know how to create a title that would be correct?
best wishes, SiefkinDR (talk) 12:27, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I do not know if the use of a picture that is not listed in Wiki Commons is allowed, as Wiki may have rules that do not take into consideration the 70-year delay. But if we put it in the article & it is not permitted, I am sure the wrath of Wiki "authorities" will come down upon us, then we'll know... It's like biting into the apple & sharing it with Adam, maybe that Eve didn't know, but after having done it, they both found out thru the wrath of Heaven. Better yet, maybe there is someone we could ask.

Talk page: as you did, I tried creating a new section & got the same msg you read. Also, there is an article with title Belle Époque in italics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_%C3%89poque


so the use of italics seems to be allowed in titles. We should look into the title of that article & see how it is done, but I have no idea how to do it.

à plus tard! --Blue Indigo (talk) 13:31, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Just discovered how to get into the title to change it: up beside *view history*, on the right, you see *more*: do not click but just touch it & the word *move* comes up: click on it: You get to the page where title can be changed: Follow instructions. It seems very easy to do. However, the page I looked at to see how title was done was that of Belle Époque and - surprise - that title that shows italicized at top of article has no sign of italicization (is that a work?), yet it is.

Your turn! --Blue Indigo (talk) 13:45, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I must go & will not be able to return to Wiki for a while. Why not continue doing the article as you have been, since there is no problem getting to it. If someone wants to put something on the talk page, he/she will contact you on yours. Bye! --Blue Indigo (talk) 13:49, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


Thank you for looking into this- some wiki-things are so complicated! I think you're right, the best thing is to let it stay as it is until someone comes along with a better solution. best wishes, SiefkinDR (talk) 14:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Siefkin: Here is the edit-link to Belle Époque.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belle_%C3%89poque&action=edit

Notice the second line, it says: . This leads me to believe that when you create an article & put in the title, these brackets are to be used in order to put the words you want italicized; it has to be done at creation of article. It may also be possible to correct, but using the brackets is not working for me. I get a long page highlighted in red lecturing me... Your idea: "I think this means creating a new article with the correct title and then copying the whole article into it" is probably the solution.

Now, I am really gone. Bonne chance! --Blue Indigo (talk) 16:47, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Bonjour Siefkin: Found this wikipedia page, which might help to put Belle Époque in italics in title:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Italic_title
Not sure that I understand how to do it, I prefer to leave it alone, but maybe you will succeed.
Good luck! --Blue Indigo (talk) 19:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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Paris in the Belle Époque[edit]

Siefkin - While checking (forgive me for doing so!) the number of Muslim soldiers in French army killed in WWI, I fell upon this article, which has nothing to do with them, but may interest you nonetheless:

http://www.richardyung.fr/reactions/blog-senateur-yung-francais-hors-de-france/3476-les-soldats-africains-dans-la-premiere-guerre-mondiale.pdf

Bon weekend! --Blue Indigo (talk) 04:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Bonjour Siefkin - We need a source for this sentence, more exactly for the number (100 000) of Muslim soldiers killed in WWI:
There was no mosque in Paris until 1920, when the Grand Mosque was dedicated to honor the hundred thousand Muslim soldiers from the French colonies in Africa who died in the World War One.
The article with link below gives that number to cover the total of Muslim soldiers killed for both world wars.
http://www.saphirnews.com/Hommage-rendu-aux-soldats-musulmans-morts-pour-la-France-durant-les-deux-guerres_a11963.html
My apologies for this, but it has been bugging me for days!
Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 06:03, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Bonjour, Blue Indigo. This is the source I used, Alfred Fierro, Histoire et Dictionnaire de Paris (1996), page 386: (my translation); "On August 19, 1920, to honor the memory of the one hundred thousand Muslims from the Maghreb and black Africa who died for France during the Great War, the National Assembly voted a credit of 500,000 francs to build a mosque on a site of one hectare near the Jardin des Plantes." Fierro is pretty reliable; if you agree, I'll put that as the citation and edit the text a little to match the citation.SiefkinDR (talk) 09:35, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Re-bonjour Siefkin - I agree... however, we might have to check/change that number later on because if Fierro gives 100,000 as a number for WWI, and in a speech given in 2010 the same number is given for both world wars, someone is making a mistake:
WWI 100,000 + WWII ??? = 100,000+???
Anyway, I just wanted to bring your attention to this discrepancy
P.S. Had lots of fun a couple of days ago bringing Javel & Grenelle back to the west: we took a boat on the Seine & stopped by the Eiffel Tower to enjoy the view!
Going back to my own work. Have an excellent day. --Blue Indigo (talk) 09:59, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Bastide (Provençal manor)[edit]

Thank you for creating Bastide (Provençal manor). I am just about to create Bastide du Jas de Bouffan, a listed bastide. I will try to create six more, the so-called Bastide de la Mignarde being a chateau, whose page I already created at Château de la Mignarde. I am wondering if we should create a Category:Bastides, or if adding Category:Châteaux in Bouches-du-Rhône would be appropriate/sufficient? I need a second opinion on this! Please reply on my talkpage. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:22, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

The Bastide du Jas de Bouffan? Not in the public domain, as far as I know, that's why I used Cezanne's painting. However, if you live in Provence, you could take a tour and some pictures for Wikimedia Commons--that would be very useful. It is worth a visit, especially in contrast with the ugly buildings and awful highway nearby. Let me know if you could do that. Your userpage says you live in Provence, and I may ask you to take some pictures of historic buildings for Wikipedia if you can find the time. I'm not sure when I will visit next. As for bastide, it's a Provencal term, like mas. The word chateau in French simply means castle (not necessarily a medieval fortress).Zigzig20s (talk) 23:31, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Victor Hugo's funerals[edit]

Bonjour Siefkin!

Would not it be a good idea to add this photograph of Victor Hugo's funerals on 1 June 1885 at Paris in the Belle Époque? It gives a pretty good idea of the period with the horse-driven hearse. Also the crowd lining the street.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1er_juin_1885_-_Enterrement_Victor_Hugo.jpg

Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 17:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I think it would be a great idea, , given the importance of the event for the Parisians. Thank you once again for your regular and very helpful ideas and suggestions.

By the way, I am building little by little on my new project, Paris in the 17th century, which is exhausting but fun and I'm learning a lot I didn't know. I would welcome your suggestions an particularly your ideas for good images. I need a good lead image or two that capture the spirit of the city at that time, ideally in color. Best wishes, SiefkinDR (talk) 18:53, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

As you notice, I work only on a section at a time because I really do not have that much time for Wikiland, and I also visit other articles, but never as long as I would like. However, I noticed that you are working on Paris in the 17th century & had planned on going there as soon as thru with the Belle Époque. I'll go take a look at it for five minutes & see if you cover some of the stuff I believe should be included. Paris was so different at the time... and much smaller! Keep going with that interesting work! --Blue Indigo (talk) 20:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Took a quick tour of your Paris in the 17th century. You are doing a great job & I will come with my tool box of cédilles & accents within a few days. By the way, I believe that Pierre Corneille has his feelings hurt because you didn't put him in the lead with the other guys - La Fontaine, Molière & Racine...
Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 21:14, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestion; my wife, who is French, was outraged when she learned I had left out Corneille; she made a drawing of the crow perched on the tree root next to the fountain with the Moliere on the side, so now I know. I will put the Corneille on his branch. Cordialement, SiefkinDR (talk)
So happy to learn I have an ally in your household who knows about birds, roots, fountains & molières!
Best to the two of you, --Blue Indigo (talk) 07:44, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Paris in the Belle Époque[edit]

Hi there. Great job with this article! It's a remarkably comprehensive overview of an eventful period of history, and beautifully illustrated. Just wanted to let you know that I've moved it to its current title (from Paris in the ''Belle Époque''). The old title was presumably meant to present the words Belle Époque in italic text, but that doesn't work in titles. The way to do that is with the {{italictitle}} template, or {{DISPLAYTITLE}} (which I've just added). See WP:ITALICTITLE for more info. Thanks again, and happy editing! Robofish (talk) 21:30, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


Thanks very much for doing this; I was trying to fix it, but couldn't get it to work. Best wishes, 04:34, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Caricaturistes in Paris in the Belle Époque[edit]

Siefkin, Being only at the literature part of "Paris in the Belle Époque", I have not noticed yet if you have included caricaturistes of the period in the section with artists in journalism & affiches

"Category:French caricaturists" gives almost 40 names, a few belonging to the period & having lived in Paris. As nowadays, caricaturists were a very important group of artists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:French_caricaturists

Interesting articles in French below:

http://www.paris-bibliotheques.org/jossot-caricatures/
http://www.istravail.com/article509.html
http://www.caricaturesetcaricature.com/article-caricatures-humoristes-manchois-de-la-belle-epoque-1870-1914-le-catalogue-114729817.html

Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 21:15, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for your thanks...[edit]

Will go to Paris in the 17th century as soon as finished with Paris in the ''Belle Époque''. So peaceful working with you (!).

Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 17:38, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Siefkin, intending to go thru text of History of Paris next, and also complete captions under the various maps of Paris. When done will go to Paris in the 17th century.
Have a nice month of August, --Blue Indigo (talk) 19:09, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

History of Paris[edit]

Bonjour Siefkin! As I begin to work on the History of Paris (of which, because of precious hours of mine, I will do only a section at a time, as usual), I see that both English/English & US/English are used. It has to be one or the other. Which one?

Will go on with text as is, as I will not accomplish much today, but do need your choice before going much further.

Merci d'avance. --Blue Indigo (talk) 14:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you once again for your careful and thoughtful edits; they really improve each article. I had never thought about the meaning of atonement in the building of Sacre Coeur, until you pointed out that you have to atone for something bad that you were supposed to have done. And I particularly appreciate your little parcel of accents; I can never figure out if they're supposed to slope upwards or downwards. Or why they're there at all, other than to make life difficult for students of French, but I know they're missed when they're not there.
I prefer US English, but I seem to recall that it was in British English before I went to work on it, and so it should stay British.
By the way, I became very interested in different aspects of the Belle Epoque, so I've started a new article called Paris architecture of the Belle Époque. I'm just getting started, but it's fun to do, especially to find pictures. It seems like a much more cheerful topic than writing about Paris between 1919 and 1939, when everyone was on strike and hating each other. Or writing about Paris in the appalling 16th century.
Also by the way, do you get to Paris very often? I'm doing a workshop on writing about Paris for Wikipedia at the American Library, one session each in September, October and November, I would welcome your participation, if you happen to be around.
Thank you again, cordialement,
SiefkinDR (talk) 16:45, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

So English/English it will be (I write "English" instead of "British" because I do wonder how Australians handle English), although, like you I feel more comfortable w/US. At least, we can avoid the *ize* vs *ise* and *center* vs *centre* etc. My computer is set for US English, so I know the English of the Queen is correct when *centre* is underlined in red!

Although you are correct about France's 16th century being appalling, it was also fascinating! It was not fun being king: imagine, after François Ier, and aside François II, all, including François II's wife, had a violent death, and it was filled with massacres. But it was also the century of Montaigne, Rabelais, Ronsard.

Thank you for the invitation to the American Library. I cannot go to (neighboring) Paris as often as I would like, only for work-related business. I am always behind my deadline, and right now on an over year-long project. When that's finished, I will make more time for Lutèce. Nonetheless, give me the dates: as far as I know, September & October will not be possible, but November might be. My participation at Wikipedia is more of a recreation to unwind, a relaxing time (well... sometimes!) for my brain, and adding accents & cédilles to your articles is kind of fun. It is easier for someone to notice things that should be changed: writing always needs a proof reader.

Au revoir! --Blue Indigo (talk) 19:10, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

P.S. There is a problem with the last sentence of the lead:

"In the 21st century, Paris added new museums and a new concert hall, but also suffered tensions and unrest from the new immigrants crowded into the suburban housing projects, and terrorist attacks connected with Islamic extremism."

I think the part in italics needs to be changed but have not come up with the right wording yet: it is such a touchy situation that it has to be handled right. The 2005 "unrest" caused by tensions was not the work of "new immigrants", as new immigrants are usually pretty happy to be out of the country they come from. Beside, who would these "new immigrants" be? New immigrants to France come from all over the world, with quite a few from within Europe itself. Those who participated in the 2005 riots were born in France: they are the children & grandchildren of immigrants, not immigrants themselves. French media describe them as "jeunes issus de l'immigration", which, in its wording, is not exact/exact either, but what I call a "dancing around the bush type of expression meant to not ruffle feathers", amounting to naming something while not naming it, knowing very well that everyone understands that the meaning lies in what is not being said. Because, what is to be understood in "issus de l'immigration"? What "immigration"? In Wikipedia, any manner in which someone tackles the subject could be felt by someone else as having his/her feathers ruffled. MHO is that, instead of "dancing around the bush in order to not ruffle feathers", it would be better to reword or remove that part of the sentence altogether.

--Blue Indigo (talk) 04:32, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Dear Blue Indigo:

I'm doing a workshop on Wed. Nov. 18 from 10 to 12, and the last one on Wed. Dec. 16, also from 10 to 12. The idea is to show people at the first session how to add to an existing article, and then how to create a new article, with the focus on writing on Paris topics. I haven't done this at the Library before so I don't know how many people will show up (if any) or what it will be like, but I think it will be fun and it would be nice to have the experience of another editor, if it works out for you.

I'm working my way along on architecture of the Belle Epoque, and learning all sorts of things I didn't know. I'm sorry I couldn't have seen Paris as it was then; I wish I could have gone to the 1900 Exposition.

Regarding your suggestion on the lead, I agree with you, it doesn't really work and isn't accurate. How about: "but also experienced unrest in the housing projects in the surrounding suburbs, and two deadly terrorist attacks carried out by Islamic extremists." Is that better?

And by the way, just out of curiosity why did you choose Blue Indigo? I'm curious because I wrote most of the article on Blue, which of course talks a lot about Indigo.

Cordialement,

SiefkinDR (talk) 17:21, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Dear Siefkin: Thank you. I have noted down your Nov. 18 morning class.
Your suggestion on the rewording of the lead is better; I did not know how to handle it.
Paris must have been a great place to live in at the "turn of the century", maybe in the poor quarters not so great, although there was a lot of charm: the cafés in the Latin Quarter, the "bords de la Seine", and all the shops that have disappeared. Here is a subject for you! Métiers that dated back to the Middle Ages & still existed not long ago. Glad you decided to turn your attention to so many Paris subjects.
Blue Indigo? Because I love that color. Will go to your article on blue & see what I can learn there.
Cordialement,--Blue Indigo (talk) 18:58, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Siefkin: Thanks again for your thanks. It may be a while before I am thru with the History of Paris, as it is very long and, as you know, I work space by space, word by word, line by line & section by section... In addition, I may have to be involved in another matter in which I have been driven by un drôle d'oiseau, who is trying to destroy everything I do. Consequently... please figure it out.
As usual, cordialememnt, --Blue Indigo (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Siefkin: Hoping the Vikings, the Huns, the Anglois or modern Vandals are not going to disturb us with new attack, will go on to next section tomorrow.
Merci de vos remerciements! --Blue Indigo (talk) 12:24, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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Siege of Paris 1429[edit]

Siefkin, If you could fit it somewhere in the History of Paris article, here is an interesting illustration, an end of 15th century miniature of Jeanne d'Arc during the siege of Paris in September 1429, where she is standing in front of the Porte Saint-Honoré: [1] This took place very close to where Richelieu's Palais Cardinal was built two centuries later - at its western part, probably rue de Richelieu or very close. The 1530 map is also interesting. Charles V's rampart & Porte Saint-Honoré are still there. The street going up toward top of map is the still-existing rue Saint-Honoré. These old maps are extremely interesting. We could add it to the others... if you know how.

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 19:56, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

You're right, it's a very nice image, and also gives a good indication of the city walls. It's already in the article on Paris in the Middle Ages, and I've added it here. I'm just finishing up Paris architecture of the Belle Époque, and am about to turn to Paris 1919-1939, a much less cheerful subject, but with a few good moments.
Cordialement, SiefkinDR (talk) 12:42, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Finished for the day - or almost - on another article, must now take care of personal work, and may not be able to return to wikiparis for a few days. Will look at article anyway.
à bientôt! --Blue Indigo (talk) 14:15, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

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