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Welcome

Hi Simon123/Archive 1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for joining the coolest online encyclopedia I know of. I hope you stick around. You'll probably find it easiest to start with a tutorial of how the wikipedia works, and you can test stuff for yourself in the sandbox. Check out the simplified ruleset. When you're contributing, you'll probably find the manual of style to be helpful, and you'll also want to remember a couple important guidelines.

  1. Write from a neutral point of view
  2. Be bold in editing pages
  3. Use wikiquette.

Those are probably the most important ones, and you can take a look at some others at the policies and guidelines page. You might also be interested in how to write a great article and possibly adding some images to your articles.

Be sure to get involved in the community – you can contact me on my talk page if you have any questions, and you can check out the village pump, where lots of wikipedians hang out and discuss things. If you're looking for something to do, check out the community portal. And whenever you ask a question or post something on a talk page, be sure to sign your name by typing 4 tildes like ~~~~. Always sign the talk page, never the articles.

Again, welcome! It's great to have you. Happy editing!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 10:06, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Mortgage

I've edited Mortgage quite a bit. I'm afraid there were a lot of legal errors, but that is hardly surprising as it is a difficult subject. I suspect it is still a little EW POV but that can be improved. See my notes in discussion. Francis Davey 22:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Cut-and-paste move

You recently cut-and-pasted the contents of the article With-profit fund to With-profits policy, citing a discussion that I have been unable to locate. If you were trying to perform a page move, please be aware that this is not the proper way to do it. If this is not what you intended, could you please explain your intentions below, or at least provide a link to the discussion you referred to in your edit summary. Thanks in advance. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I tried to add the article last night but the servers froze and I was unaware until this morning it has been submitted. I have now added the explaination in the new articles discussion page. I am unaware of how to perform a page move, maybe this would have been better. If you think it would be advantageous then please go ahead.

I intend to re-write much of the article the cut and pasting was intended to act as a template. Simon West 08:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay, if you're going to rewrite With-profits policy and leave With-profit fund as it is, then I suppose cutting and pasting it was probably fine. You might want to add an {{underconstruction}} template to With-profits policy until you get the rewrite at least mostly done.

The proper way to move a page is with the "move" button at the top of the page. If you don't see one, wait — to make page move vandalism harder, the "move" button is not immediately available to new users. It will appear once you've been around long enough and made enough edits.

Unfortunately only administrators can turn a "cut-and-paste move" into a real one, and it's a nontrivial process even for them. For details, see fixing cut and paste moves. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Mutual funds as trusts

In point of fact, all the Fidelity funds are organized as Massachusetts business trusts. Furthermore, you might want to reconsider your notion of "common misconception". If most English-speaking people think pecans are nuts, then all the botanists in the world insisting that they are not nuts but in fact drupe seeds does not change the English-language meaning of the word. The fact that a U.S. regulatory agency has a definition of "mutual fund" does not privilege their definition over the English-language definition thereof, particularly in an international project like Wikipedia. I checked the two dictionaries most easily available to me; the American Heritage hews closer to your practice, but does seem to include ETFs in its definition. The OED, on the other hand, says "A form of collective investment in a managed fund; spec. = unit trust". So if you insist on hewing to the SEC's definition, you might want to consider renaming the article so that someone else can write the article about the more general (and global) meaning. 121a0012 15:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I stand corrected. US Mutual Funds may be structured as trusts.

However you have misread my intentions in the edit I made. I have spent a long time trying to remove the heavy US bias in many investment articles and especially in the article 'mutual funds'. If you look back through the history you will see the article assumed all collective investments were sub-types of mutual funds whereas the SEC makes clear distinctions for the US and this is definitely not the case elsewhere in the world. To try and counter the bias I started the article collective investment scheme to give a world view. Furthermore I added the two descriptions in the lead paragraphs of the mutual fund article to spell out the US and non-US usage and added a statement to make it clear the remainder of the article follows the US meaning and added link to the collective investment article for all others.

I assumed the US regulator in stating 'MF = open-end companies', meant that they were all companies now I have followed the link to the legislation it is apparent that the 'management company' is what's being referred to and that "any redeemable security of which it is the issuer" may well refer to a trust. I will re-instate your edits and expand the point in the article. Simon West 16:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Help for the following project

  • I address some of your question on the Talk Page of the article in question. And made an outline of what I am trying to accomplish, however definitions and methodology is yet concrete due to my lack of knowledge. Hopefully you might help me on this with other informed investor and people that work within the financial industry. Thank you for taking an interest, Sincerely Paul.Paquette

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Thanks for uploading Image:Gail-porter-stunt-marketing.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 22:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The Long and Winding Road

See: Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/The Long and Winding Road. Hyacinth 12:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Current account

I had been thinking for a while that we didnt really have suitable coverage of current accounts, in many cases wiki ends up putting these type of things together eg have a UK section on the Checkable deposits page. I think there is an extremely strong argument for keeping this one separate, although I have a feeling that we might have to defend it from merger at some stage.

In terms of content its in my ponderances at the moment, however I'm begining to think it has the foundations of a featured article eventually, there is also plenty of opportunity for pictures and summary sections. Probably have an attempt at sketching out a structure soon; debit cards, BACS/CHAPS, overdrafts (inc fees?/oft investigation), credit interest, internet/telephone/branch, cheques, SO/DD and offseting would seem to be the key sections to include, let me know/add any others that you think should be in. Ian3055 15:03, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes

Joke!REDVERS 20:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


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Mortgage article and predatory mortgage lending

Simon, I would welcome a global perspective on the subject of predatory mortgage lending. But I fail how it can be described as a "personal crusade". On the contrary, its a valid subject which should be addressed in any article on mortgage. At the very least there should be some mention of this within the body of the article.

Please allow me to add that I believe its important to address the risks involved in obtaining a mortgage. In any consumer's guide to any mortgage which a person could buy off the shelf of any bookstore, you will find caveats regarding the mortgage industry. I also think its good counter-ballance to an article which basically praises mortgage lenders without stating how a few wrongful doers are taking advantage of consumers.

If you do not like the paragraphs that I had written then feel free to rewrite it. In the meantime, I hope you do not mind but I inserted one single sentence at the end of "legal aspects" regarding predatory practices.

One final word, if I may. I am a completely neutral party to this topic. I am not employed in the mortgage industry or in financial professions of any kind. Furthermore this is the first topic on financial matters that I had edited. I posted this statement because I believe it is important. I tried to be fair and even handed.

Peace Piercetp 00:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I did see your latest revisions. It seems ok with me. I might ask, if I may, does Mortgage Fraud exist in the UK and elsewhere?Piercetp 20:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Greetings from WikiProject The Beatles!

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 1 - May 2006
Project news

Some project tips

  • Stick the following template {{Template:WPBeatles}} on relevant articles. We have 500+ already but may have missed some!
  • Use British/English grammar and spelling per Policy
  • A few moments checking other editors contributions is always appreciated.
  • Don't be shy on using the talk pages. It's where a lot of stuff gets decided.

From the Editors

Welcome to the inaugural issue of The Beatles WikiProject's newsletter! We hope that this newsletter will help members—especially those who may be unable to keep up with some of the rapid developments that tend to occur—find new things to do within the project that they may wish to participate in.

Please consider this inital issue to be a prototype; as always, any comments and suggestions are quite welcome. We would like to emphasise that this is a collaborative Project and all editors are equal - so next month the newsletter editor might be you!

kingboyk, LessHeard vanU and Lar

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 2, June 2006

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 2 – June 2006

Beatles News
  • Apple Corps v. Apple Computer. A case brought by Apple Corps against Apple Computer, regarding possible infringement of a previous agreement between the two parties in respect of distribution of music, was heard in a London High Court. The story made Wikipedia's front page due to a nomination by our own Kingboyk. The story had an amusing second wave in the news and on Wikipedia; be sure to read the article on Guy Goma if you missed it!
Project News
  • The Beatles article has been approved for inclusion in Wikipedia Version 0.5, making it one of the first 20 articles to be selected and the first in the Music category.
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Policy Talk, where some lively discussion has taken place regarding the (perennial) question of the capitalisation of the letter T in "The Beatles". After seeking the comments of Wikipedian third parties unrelated to the project, the proponents and opponents concluded that the current naming policy was correct. The discussion had the added bonus of bringing in some new members.
Member News
  • Project member (and "co-instigator" of The Beatles Project) Lar was made an Administrator. Project member Kingboyk (the other guilty party) has been awarded a Music Barnstar for his contributions, including his work within The Beatles Project, and has also stewarded the KLF article to Featured Article status this month. Sometimes-contributor ZincOrbie has also been awarded a Barnstar for his work on the Badfinger article. Congratulations to all!
Issue of the Month

The matter of the article History of the Beatles and the History section of the main article The Beatles continues to concern various editors, including DavidWBrooks and Vera, Chuck & Dave. Suggestions, comments, or help with the task would be much appreciated.

From the Editors

The Beatles have been in the real world news recently, but work on The Beatles Project continues as before. This newsletter keeps you up-to-date with what has been happening with the project and, perhaps more importantly, what needs to be done (see the "Issue of the Month" above and the "To Do List" below-left).

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 3, July 2006

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 003 – July 2006

Beatles News
Project News
  • New article classification system, for our use and for Wikipedia 1.0. Very important and we need editor involvement. How can you help? Rate articles! It's easy:
    • Visit Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification and read about how to grade.
    • Visit Category:Unassessed Beatles articles and select an article to review.
    • After deciding what grade it should have, modify the invocation of {{WPBeatles}} on the talk page to add parms. The template itself gives you the parameters to use. For example, change {{WPBeatles}} to {{WPBeatles|B|Low}} if you think it's a low-importance, B-class article. Save your changes and make sure the talk page is now showing the ratings.
    • Click on the link in the template to edit the /comments subpage and explain why you rated the article the way you did. Don't forget to sign with ~~~~. Save that too.
    • Questions? Ask Kingboyk or Lar for help.
  • Want to stay up on new project developments? Watchlist all of the WikiProject pages plus The Beatles and each of the 4 members, to get a feel for what's happening. Also monitor and regularly review Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The Beatles articles by quality log. If an article is listed on there as "added", go check the article's history. If it's new since the Project began add it to the Project Log as a new article and up the counter by one :)
Member News
Issue of the Month

Preparing articles for inclusion in Wikipedia 1.0.

From the Editors

It was a bit of a struggle to get this month's newsletter done, as we did it without a lead editor. Hopefully, next month you'll jump in and be our lead editor. Big news is that WP:1.0 is coming along nicely and our article classification system has changed to conform to it.

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Insurance Broker

I noticed you made the addition of the 1977 legislation re insurance brokers, can you please provide a country reference for this legislation? I'm guessing UK by your profile, but please confirm this...

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 4, August 2006

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 004 – August 2006

Issue of the Month

Despite it being the lead news article of last month, there is still help required in the assessing of articles and the migrating of comments. Lar is willing to provide assistance to those unsure how to do this.

Beatles News
  • The Beatles in the news. Suggestions: [2] [3]
Project News
  • The Beatles article, the "Flagship" of the Project, is currently under review with regard to its Featured Article status. It is hoped that the review will identify those areas that need some(/lots of) remedial work, and that the Project participants and those editors who are involved in the the FA admin pages to can work together to "save" the status of the article.
    • At the moment there is some discussion as to why it has been listed, and what may be needed to help it retain its FA status. It may well be that some work is going to be required in formulating a plan of action, and then some more in achieving those aims.
    • The FA status is obviously quite important to the Project, and it would be appreciated if participants are able to provide assistance in keeping the article up to standard. The editors would be grateful if those persons receiving this Newsletter could spare some of their time, energy and brainpower in keeping this jewel in our crown in its proper place. Please go to Wikipedia:Featured article review/The Beatles and get involved! Thank you.
Notable updates
Member News
From the Editors

As mentioned in the Project News section, The Beatles article has just been listed for a review of its Featured Article status. Working on this is quite important.

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American Vs British spelling

I note from articles that you are trying to remove US-english bias, but there are a few items where this is not necessary. "Adviser" and "Advisor" are acceptable variant spellings on both sides of the pond (I have checked both my Websters and Chambers dictionaries on this matter) However, to your facour, you were reverting something that another pedant had changed in the first place and most professional IFA bodies in the UK seem to prefer the "er" ending. Beware also of changing "izes" to "ises". the use of z is not American and in fact still the prefered choice of the OED. Look at any pre second world war publications and you will struggle to find an "ise" as it is a recent twist in British English. Good articles from you by the way! Dainamo 23:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Do not link to copyvio

Please see #5 under the "Links to be used occasionally" section at Wikipedia:External links. The sites in the Beatles articles that linked to videos and lyrics violate the Beatles' copyright to the lyrics, music, and/or performance. -- Mikeblas 02:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 5, September 2006

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 005 – September 2006

Beatles News
Project News
  • Unfortunately, the Featured Article badge on The Beatles was revoked. The article was immediately nominated for Good Article status, which it received later that same day. Project member Kingboyk said of the nomination, "I'm quite happy about it really, as I feel that GA is about where we're at and gives some incentive to work on the article."
  • We have a new category for Beatles articles needing attention. If you're looking for something to work on, the articles in this category and the subcategories need some TLC. To put an article in this category, tag its talk page with {{WPBeatles|attention=yes}}.
  • Kingboyk has given {{WPBeatles}} another major overhaul, and has assessed all of the Beatles articles. He would be grateful if other editors would leave comments on the state of articles, needed improvements and so on, by clicking the Comments link in the template. Also, feel free to revise the gradings—the assessments were done quickly, and article quality can change.
Member News
  • Liverpool Scouse has offered to take any desired pictures of the Liverpool area, upon request.
Issue of the Month

The featured article status of The Beatles was revoked.

From the Editors

A month of slow progress and some amazing efforts. Still need help getting comments shifted. Don't forget to log your accomplishments!

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Tax Haven/OFC proposed merge

I know you are still keen on merging these two articles, and I think I am too, but given the only other comment has been a dissent, it is probably not something to rush into lest we get someone's back up. What I think I'll do is start working on a merged article in my sandbox (User:Legis/sandbox), and wait a little bit longer for any other views. If no other views are raised I suggest we go ahead with the merge on a 2:1 basis. I probably won't start work on it until the weekend; bit busy at work at the moment. Legis 07:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Girobank

Hi Simon

You asked the source of the information I provided on Girobank.

I was employed by the organisation from 1977 until 1995 in the small HQ in London.

The information prior to 1977 comes from my discussions with numerous managers. There was also a book written about the history of the National Giro and I would recommend that you try and get hold of it if you are interested. I obtained it from my local library and read it many years ago, so unfortunately I cannot remember the name of the author.

I also had access to the numerous archives stored in the office, including access to planning papers for the organisation dating from (if I recall correctly) from about 1966. I used to travel frequently to the Operations Centre in Bootle and knew quite many managers and employers working there.

If you have any questions just ask ... I'll do my best to answer them if I can.

--Tom 13:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 6, October 2006

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 006 – October 2006

Beatles News
  • The site of the former Casbah Club, operated by Mona Best (mother of Pete) in the basement of her house, and where the nascent Beatles played and rehearsed, has been accorded Grade II Listed status following a recommendation by British Heritage.
Project News
  • Some Project articles are having their Featured Article status reviewed, and the comments are not encouraging. The articles are A Day in the Life and A Hard Day's Night (song). (She Loves You has already had its FA status revoked.) Please participate in the discussion and help improve the articles!
Member News
  • As usual, the self-effacing individuals who contribute to the Project are far too modest to mention any Barnstars or other awards they may have received. Obviously they feel their editing/contributing is reward enough.
Issue of the Month

The lead article of the Project recently lost its FA status, and now some of the other articles are being reviewed. Citations and references within articles are again the major concern. Contributors who have literature (books, magazines, links, etc.) are especially needed to provide the necessary citations. It is not enough for editors to know the facts; they need to be backed up by other sources. All help, both within the articles and the discussion, would be appreciated.

From the Editors

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Come back, Kingboyk! The children miss you!

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The project merge with The Project

I'm leaving this note because you've edited on the first page above. I made a new page on the same topic, not realizing the first one existed. Are you interested in helping to merge the pages? Elizmr 02:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 7, November 2006

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 007 – November 2006

Issue of the Month

Again, the issue of the month is inline citations. A Day in the Life, A Hard Day's Night (song), and Get Back have all been defeatured, as they failed to satisfy criterion 1(c) of What is a featured article?, and other song FAs are due for the chopping block. Inline citations are an important aspect of articles—they ensure verifiability and reliability, and they remove original research. Additionally, they give readers the option to read the original source material and view it within context.

Basically:

  1. All direct quotations attributed to Beatles members pooled from interviews need full inline citations.
  2. All critical comments about songs or albums need full inline citations to notable music critics, magazines opinions, or reviews, as opposed to being merely comments by Wikipedians.
  3. Inline citations need: author name, article name, publication date, and name of publication. Such info is still preferable even if quoting from an interview posted upon a website; when this is the case, place the URL link at the end of the citation with the date it was last accessed. (This will help editors retrieve the page using the Wayback Machine, should the link go dead in the future.)
Beatles News
  • The Beatles are due to release a soundtrack album, LOVE, at the end of November, as a companion to their Cirque du Soleil adaptation of the same name. It will feature remastered and remixed versions of their previously released songs, including some new medleys.
  • Paul's getting a divorce. Pain, arguing, and fighting abound.
Project News
  • The Wings tours are really nicely documented now (see Category:Wings tours), but Category:The Beatles tours is almost empty. Kingboyk and the rest of us would love to see (and read) articles on each Beatles tour, including the pre-fame tours of the UK—and the Hamburg trips, of course!
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Paul McCartney, involved in the Featured Article drive, as mentioned above.
Member News
  • Our project members are too modest to report any awards they may have given or received.
From the Editors

Wherever possible, editors should help to trim down on list-like prose within Beatles articles. They should convert list-like sections into fluent, cohesive prose which ties an article's sections together. Lists make articles disjointed, awkward, and difficult to read.

Be sure to take part in the Featured Article drive, and don't forget those inline citations!

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Moving pages

A while back, you performed a copy-and-paste move of Gichin Funakoshi to Funakoshi Gichin. I have fixed this now; in the future, please use the move feature to move pages. Copy-and-paste moves mess up the histories of pages and violate the GFDL. Thanks. --Slowking Man 13:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Saran Wrap redirect

I reverted your Saran Wrap redirect. I think we are suppose to direct people to the most detailed applicable link. Let me know if you disagree. TonyTheTiger 19:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering where Template:SCJohnson should be redirecting to. TonyTheTiger 20:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 8, December 2006

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 008 – December 2006

Issue of the Month

Wikipedia's standards are improving all the time, with the result that many articles in The Beatles Wikiproject are being nominated for review of their FA and GA status - and many are losing that accolade. It is difficult, with such a large number of articles and the ease with which editors may make changes which are detrimental, to maintain the standard of articles, let alone improve them. As ever, members efforts are both appreciated and needed to keep the Project on course.

Beatles News
  • A Beatles compilation called "Love", featuring tracks remastered by George Martin (with his son Giles), has been released and has made number 1 in Canada.
  • The impending divorce between Paul McCartney and the former Heather Mills continues to make the pages in the tabloid press in the UK.
Project News
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Paul McCartney (see above and below).
Member News
From the Editors

If one is to be mercenary about the subject, it should be noted that Paul McCartney is going to be more noteworthy than usual in the near future as his divorce case comes to court. In that case it is great to note that a small group of Project Members (plus another individual who does not feel compelled to register himself despite important contributions) have worked very hard, and in an atmosphere of good humour, to take the McCartney piece to a succesful Good Article nomination. Perhaps this is the method to use for future articles, a small dedicated team concentrating on one subject at a time. Of course, all members are invited to join any existing group or even go about forming their own. Please note any such action in the Project Log.

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 9, January 2007

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 009 – January 2007

Beatles News
  • The ongoing divorce proceedings between Paul McCartney and the former Heather Mills continues to occupy the attention of the media - Heather Mills reportedly receiving unspecified death threats.
  • The British Post Office have released a series of stamps depicting various Beatles album covers.
Project News
  • The Paul McCartney article is being primped and primed for submission as a Featured Article candidate.
  • The good folk who have been working on the above article have turned their attention to the John Lennon page. Everyone is, of course, invited to contribute.
  • The hottest Project page this month has been the Macca (Paul for those not in the know!) article, again.
  • Other Project news... Please let the editors know if anything is happening, or just contribute it to the next newsletter.
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The question of capitalising of the letter "t" in The of The Beatles has been raised again. It appears that UK style references (here and here) also maintains that the letter should be in lower case. If the Project is to be appear professional then it may have to change the format. Polite discussion is invited at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Policy. If possible, please provide sources/references to support your position.

From the Editors

It has been a fairly quiet time with regard to the Project (or at least that is how it seems). If you are reading this and wondering why your efforts in respect of a Beatles article has not been mentioned, it may be that you haven't told any editor. This is your Newsletter, which means you can contribute to it, so please do!

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Ordinary Income Shares

Question on Ordinary Income Shares from the Investment trust article: does this refer to ordinary shares, or ordinary income? Perhaps some explaination is needed before piping the link. Thanks. Have Gun, Will Travel 03:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 10, February 2007

Hi. You are not receiving The Beatles project newsletter because we believe you are inactive. Click the link in the title, above, to see it. If you want to move yourself back to active, and get copies again, please remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/Inactive and add yourself to Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/Active Thanks for your interest in the project. This is probably the last notice you will receive. ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 02:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 012 – April 2007

Beatles News
  • On Friday 30th March, a deranged fan was held after attempting to force his way into Paul McCartney's mansion. See here for more details.
  • Apple Corps continues to make news, after the recent settlement with Apple Computer over the use of the Apple trademark. On April 10th, the company announced that long-time chief executive Neil Aspinall had stepped down and had been replaced by American Jeff Jones. It was also announced that another long term dispute, this time with EMI over royalties, had been amicably settled prior to Aspinall's departure.[4][5]
Project News
  • The article "Jeff Jones (music industry executive)" suddenly becomes of top importance in the Apple sphere of Beatledom. User:Kingboyk has created a stub on the man, but the article needs urgent beefing up (including basic biographical data such as date and place of birth) and, if possible, a photograph of the new Apple chief executive.
  • With the debate over "the Beatles" vs "The Beatles" continuing to cause ill feeling and a number of resignations from the project from advocates on both sides, Kingboyk attempted to diffuse the situation by blanking the Project Policy page and tagging it as {{historical}}. Although this unilateral action hasn't been reverted as of the time of writing, the reaction was mixed, with two members rejoining the project and others stating their disagreement. With the issue still not resolved, the page was sent to Miscellany for Deletion, for the wider community (and WikiProject The Beatles members) to consider the issue.
Member News
  • The membership list has been trimmed, with inactive members listed seperately to help gauge the status of the project. If you've been incorrectly listed as inactive, please don't be offended - just move yourself back to the main list.
The Rutles: The legendary group who inspired lesser imitators like "The Beatles". WikiWorld, March 2007
From the Editors

This has been a tumultuous month for the project yet again.

We need your input on how the project should work and what it's role should be. And we need to start getting Featured Articles, folks! :)

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BetacommandBot 23:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:No_Pakistanis_sample.ogg

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Thanks for uploading Image:No_Pakistanis_sample.ogg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. ShakespeareFan00 21:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

September 2007

Nuvola apps important.svg Your contributions history shows that you have been aggressively cross-posting, in order to influence Andy Sherry. Although the Arbitration Committee has ruled that "The occasional light use of cross-posting to talk pages is part of Wikipedia's common practice."1, such cross-posting should adhere to specific guidelines. In the past, aggressively worded cross-posting has contributed towards an Arbitration Committee ruling of disruptive behavior that has resulted in blocks being issued. It is best not to game the system, and instead respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building, by ceasing to further crosspost, and instead allowing the process to reflect the opinions of editors that were already actively involved in the matter at hand. Nate1481( t/c) 08:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

If you notice, I was the one who nominated it for an Afd. The best way to let people know is by putting a notice on WikiProject Martial arts (or equivalent) talk page. I had listed it under Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Martial arts
What irritated me was the tone, telling people there is an AfD is one thing, suggesting they vote to keep is another. --Nate1481( t/c) 08:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


Fair use rationale for Image:SKI Kata Vol 1.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:SKI Kata Vol 1.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI 08:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image deletion

I didn't "ignore your rationale". I read it. However, the image illustrates a subject for which a free image might reasonably be found or created that adequately provides the same information. Please read Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy2 if you have any other further questions. Have a great day. нмŵוτнτ 15:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The person who uploaded the {{AutoReplaceable fair use people}} tag should have notified you. I'm sorry that they didn't do that, but please assume good faith in others before jumping to conclusions and pointing fingers.
Also, the number 2 in that policy link doesn't mean #2 under policy, it is simply a technicality in a link that directs you the the 2nd heading titled "Policy", for future reference. Thanks, нмŵוτнτ 16:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles

Your user name is on the “Inactive, or have just popped out for a cup of tea...” list on the Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles page. You can move it back to the “Participants” list if you feel this is not the case. :) -- WikiProject The Beatles 15:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Oneill terry.jpg

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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 16:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


Disputed fair use rationale for Image:TennisGirl thumb.jpg

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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 09:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Terry O'Neill (karateka)

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An editor has nominated Terry O'Neill (karateka), an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:WorldCov.jpg

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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 08:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Por Siempre Beatles.jpg

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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 13:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


Disputed fair use rationale for Image:WorldCov.jpg

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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 03:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Gail-porter-stunt-marketing.jpg)

Nuvola apps important blue.svg Thanks for uploading Image:Gail-porter-stunt-marketing.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Image copyright problem with Image:BalldofJohnandYoko singlecover.jpg

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History of the English Fiscal System

I left you a note on the user page for this article. Unfortunately, being a complete computer ignoramus, I have only just realised the difference between talk and user pages. Anyway, should be grateful for your comments, if any Vee1534 (talk) 13:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


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