User talk:SimonTrew

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Your draft article, Draft:List of French civil unrests[edit]

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 22:29, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Machine translation etc[edit]

I didn;t know you translated Chinese. Do you ever look in at WP:PNT, I can't remember ever seeing you there? Si Trew (talk) 06:17, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
I rarely go there, but I quite like the new translation tool that you can enable in the "Beta" section, I think I have talked to you about doing this not so long ago, if there are any problems at RfD relating to Chinese words, I'm the one to go to. Remember that. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 06:21, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Ohh, a lot of peopole really do not like the new translation tool, or rather, the results of it when monolingual people assume that the results are just wonderful: interesting discussion on WT:PNT about that. Of course as someone who knows his way around a language it is probably quite handy but I always find it easier just to edit everything longhand (but not much comes up in French and even less in Hungarian, I will do a Spanish one on request but only if it is really a straight-facts article, geo articles etc, because any kind of subtlety or expert opinion with RS etc I would be out of my depth translating that kind of thing). I must remember that about the Chinese, yes, thanks. And in return, if you have any problems with people talking bollox then you know who is the best at that, yours faithfully Si Trew (talk) 06:27, 7 October 2016 (UTC) I presume I'm allowed to personally attack myself? :)
One thing over in the discussion at WT:PNT (I was kinda pinged for my comments as I guess I am just about regular enough obviously it depends what turns up whether I do any work from there) is that I said that quite often I just do the "scaffolding" and let other people then fill in the meat of the text. (That's abbreviating my own rationale enormously). I don't just do that but I do tend to find that some editors are scared of all the templates etc and categorising, translating any wikilinks, translating the titles of sources, generally Wikifying the text even if I don't do much on the translation of the text, I tend to find then other editors once the "scaffolding" is in place are often quite eager to translate the text. One of the criticisms of the translation tool is that, at least on the English Wikipedia, it produces absolutely diabolical Wikimarkup with loads of span tags and things like that. I've not used it but have seen its results. For you if you're using it to translate into Chinese I can understand, because you know what you're doing, that you could find it useful as machine assisted translation etc, the danger lies with people who do not know what they're doing. I'm sure your views over at WT:PNT would be greatly appreciated. I just always find it easier to edit in the boring old text editor and do it all manually I just prefer to see the source character-for-character, but that is just me, and it would be a poorer Wikipedia if editors all did it my way. Si Trew (talk) 06:43, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
I do actually have to consult the Google Translator quite frequently as I am more fluent in English, but everyone knows translating full sentences with it is a bad idea, so if I come across a word or phrase that I am not familiar with, I would have to consult it, its no big deal, really, though, as I am quite familiar with Chinese grammar. What I hate (no, don't report me for this) is that all the language versions of Wikipedia have different policies, all language versions should follow the same policies and guidelines as the English Wikipedia. Over on zh.wp, if notability issues are not resolved within 30 days, the article will automatically be AfDed. (I got a message about that a day ago).- Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 06:55, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
The danger seems to lie mostly in that when you say "everyone knows", yes, everyone who has ever made any serious effort at translation knows about things like false friends and all that jazz, but some editors who were using this to import articles into EN:WP were entirely monolingual, usually not in English but in the source language and had no idea what gobledegook was coming out the back end, and the EN:WP consensus seems to be that WMF were rather encouraging the idea that this amazing new tool will magically translate everything perfectly into The King's English. Si Trew (talk) 07:42, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
I just found another bug with the translation tool, it retains the categories such as Category:Commons category with local link same as on Wikidata once I have submitted it, see [1]. But hey, I would still recommend it as I still have faith in it. People importing articles the way you describe it is certainly a bad idea IMO, I have found several examples during my time at NPP, and lots of them just copy articles from foreign wikis (WP:A2) (zhwiki does not have that criterion, which brings me back to the point that I wish all language editions followed the same policies as enwiki). - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 08:50, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, if you find it useful I ain't gonna stop you. I amjust way to old-fashioned for all this newfangled technology: I still have to get up and walk three feet to the telly when I want to change channel. Or would that be {{convert|3|ft}}? I am wondering how the tool deals with things like needing to convert units, because it would be quite hard to automate sensibly. Does it kinda prompt if it sees something that looks like it is a measure? I can't really try out the tool for myself well at the moment because my keyboard bust as usual (my bad habit of smoking roll-up cigarettes and dropping the remains in the keyboard means I tend to get through one in about two months) so I have to get another, in the meantime I am on a little laptop - a very little laptop - so I don't really have the screen real estate to be able to do that kind of editing meaningfully. I can tie the lappy up to the main screen but that won't help cos its poor little graphics driver won't go higher than about 1024x768 anyway. It's usually just used to serve for internet telly but has been pressed into action. I should get some money today so that I can go and get another keyboard. All of 600 forints about $2 at the second hand shop but I am a bit strapped for cash at the moment, unexpected expenses from a death in the family. Si Trew (talk) 09:07, 7 == Should I not nominate more RfD's then? ==

Considering that it will "take you a while" to undo the nominations, I probably would be better off leaving that alone for the time being, I mean, you could've rolled back had I not nominated the last two. Sorry about that. --- Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 09:16, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead Champ I'm jsut clearing up me mess. Sorry about that... "personal" was a call about a new job as it happens, but me mum died recently went to UK for funeral on Monday so I tend to be more attentive on answering the phone than I usually would be, sorry to have left this in the middle. I'm withdrawing most as changed me mind but a few are worthy of RfD I think. Sorry for the mess. Si Trew (talk) 09:19, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Some flowers for you[edit]

Bouquet fleurs.png Hello SimonTrew,
I am sorry to hear about your loss at Rfd; what you wrote was really rather moving. My most sincere condolences. --Nevéselbert 23:35, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
My condolences too. It is good to see people using personal experience to enrich content discussions on Wikipedia and get to know other editors as people. Deryck C. 14:16, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Tavix[edit] admin now! [2] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Tavix. Also, non-sysops are generally allowed to perform "administrative" decisions, as long as one doesn't enact a decision that one doesn't have the technical permissions to perform (e.g. delete, move over redirect). Deryck C. 14:12, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


Virginia Bluebells (Mertensia virginica) - Flickr - Jay Sturner.jpg remembrance
Came across the news, sorry for your loss. This is a field of Virginia bluebells and it looked pretty and I thought maybe your mum liked the color blue. Shearonink (talk) 14:23, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
  • My condolences too, Simon. I can't fully understand what you're going through, of course, but my own "mum" hasn't been doing too well lately, and that's been hard enough for me. Please take care of yourself. --BDD (talk) 21:21, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Mine as well, Simon. Take care. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:41, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


Wald Vergissmeinnicht.jpg My condolences
My sincere condolences on your loss, Si. This is a cluster of myosotis, more commonly known as forget-me-nots, at least in North America. When I was very young my grandfather passed, and my mother purchased for me a book in which these flowers feature prominently as a symbol of remembrance. I hope you and your loved ones are finding peace through this difficult time. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 00:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
I don't know if this was coincidence but I was fiddling around with some of the variations of redirects of Forget-me-Not and so on a few days ago. I did it under IP as I was just making minor edits and hadn't the will to battle RfD.
I have been going for a lot of job interviews and have had two job offers, I won't mention companies here but I start on Monday. So, four days to fix all the articles and redirects here at SiTrePedia as I won't have much time after. Thanks to you all for your messages, they mean a lot to me. Si Trew (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

RfD note[edit]

Sorry for your loss. Please accept my condolences. (Also wished to drop a courtesy note about this, just in case you might be interested.) (talk) 19:22, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Nigerians in Uruguay[edit]

Hi, SimonTrew. Am I as the proponent of the elimination allowed to vote? I see that the creator of the redirect has voted, so I guess I would also be allowed? Please let me know. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 14:55, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes, you are allowed, @Rui Gabriel Correia: I was going to add to the RfD that, anyone can just overwrite the redirect with the article content, then it will just be closed at RfD as a procedural close (as no longer a redirect). WP:JUSTDOIT, in other words. Si Trew (talk) 14:57, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, SimonTrew. I am the proponent, so I don't want to appear as if I am passionately determined to kill the redirect, so I'll just allow the process to run its course. But I have taken not of your suggestion and keep it in mind for a future case ( I am still learning — been here for ten years, but have not done much in terms of 'admin' edits). Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 15:37, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

The Challenge Series[edit]

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Utterly good-faith contribution[edit]

You say in this RfD discussion "Frank Mitchell Cricket gets me Frank Herbert Mitchell, and various others who are not this person" ... but the redirect is to Frank Herbert Mitchell; he is this person. You say "Keep as harmless", but I explained in the nom exactly what harm it was doing. Would you care to rethink your contribution? --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:20, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

I've looked at it again, but will let my thoughts stand. I've said so on the R page. Si Trew (talk) 10:09, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for butting in here. Not sure what the issue is here,but I think you are talking about search. I personally have almost completely stopped using Wikipedia search, and rely instead on google (which sometimes needs an addtional wikipedia search term in order to find pages on wikipedia). In my experience getting to pages such a particular wp:wikiproject can be done much faster outside of wikipedia. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:46, 20 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me
(talk page watcher) I do the same for project-space searches, since our search excludes project spaces by default. But since our search engine is for readers, I think that's more of a feature than a bug. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:05, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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Discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Godsy[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Godsy. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 22:58, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Just passing by[edit]

Thank you for your work on the Eubot redirects, much appreciated. But I think its better to have a list or group of lists, by the way, you may want to also look at User:Anomie/Neelix_list/6. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:21, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

You're probably right, User:Champion, but as suggested at WP:CSD, someone has to kinda take the plunge and list some at RfD in batches first to see what comes of doing that, so I thought I'd make a start. Perhaps we should start a thread at WT:RFD cross-reffing to that. Si Trew (talk) 04:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Maybe, but it would be great to keep a log of all them somewhere, like the list of N***** redirects, but, the "Articles created" tool on the Toolserver is down, I don't know another way we can do that. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:21, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
@Champion: Ah, what I've been doing is using User Contributions and clicking on the "created by" option. That seems pretty much to get the same list, though no doubt it is not perfect. i.e. this. We should probably put in a bot request, and be careful to formulate it so that the links are to the redirects as well as to the targets, this time. (In fact, having the links like at the top of each RfD nom would be the best, I think there is a template variant of that created specifically for the Neelix redirects, but can't remember what it's called.) Si Trew (talk) 05:40, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
I have been browsing that list, but it may be worth asking someone who was invloved here to create a list like that one, btw, I've just nominated a few. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:55, 30 November 2016 (UTC) (talk · contribs · WHOIS)[edit]

Hello SimonTrew. Sorry to bother you, but I just want to be reassured that this IP that has been signing off with your name (see here and the edit summaries referencing your username) is really indeed you. Thank-you.--Nevéselbert 19:40, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. Yes, it's me. I use the IP address sometimes when mobile editing so that I don't get the extras like twinkle, which make it rather cluttered and slow. I believe it's within WP policy to do that providing there's no attempt to sock. It should be a leased from a Budapest ISP if you do a who is: not sure whom without checking myself, landlord supplies it pro bono. Si Trew (talk) 19:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Ta Tanka I Yotank[edit]

Hello SimonTrew. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ta Tanka I Yotank, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: I don't think this is snow-delete enough to qualify for X1 - the form at the target (Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotȟake in Standard Lakota) is different, but this form is in use, e.g. here. Consider RfD. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 14:12, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Manassê et al.[edit]

I finished the merge, however haphazardly it got done. You can see my summary at Talk:Manasses (given name)#Merged articles. So discussions at RfD might even make sense now. I'm still updating the list of people, but that shouldn't interfere with any redirect discussions. — Gorthian (talk) 23:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)