User talk:SimonTrew

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search


So, you've deleted your user page, I do remember it was blank before, and it didn't have anything useful before, so you may as well, like good ol' Gorobay perhaps, but yeah, you never read other people's pages, so you may as well. - TheChampionMan1234 23:08, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

@TheChampionMan1234: Not gone, champ, I just needed a bit of a clear-out as it was rather stuffed up with done and dusted conversations, and after paring it down little by little, I just went soddit and deleted the whole lot. It's still there in the history of course, so nothing is ever really lost, it was just getting rather cluttered. I see you are "1234" now. I didn't mean to insult you, by the way, I think I apologised publicly for it seeming so, which was certainly not my intention. Si Trew (talk) 04:16, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Is it just me or are you now THECHAMPIONMAN1234 after the conversation on RfD about all caps. If so, well done, I wouldn't know how to change that. Si Trew (talk) 05:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 8[edit]

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Screwdriver, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Fool's errand (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Ovoid the trout![edit]

Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!
You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

Get it? It's a diet trout. Ovoid the chocolate indeed. :P Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:11, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Ouch, that hurt (but probably not as much as my pun). But that trout will never live unless you give it a diet of worms. Si Trew (talk) 03:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

redirect discussion[edit]

Hi SimonTrew -- Following up a discussion, I noted that on the Women in law redirect discussion, you said that I deleted some of your comments: "With extreme prejudice I have to say that with this edit here at RfD, User:lquilter removed all my comments. Whether he or she likes them, they are for discussion. With extreme prejudice I think lquilter did wrong to remove them from the discussion. Si Trew (talk) 08:51, 2 September 2015 (UTC)"

I believe you were looking at the wrong set of edits. You linked to this diff, which is actually an edit by SimonTrew -- you. I had these two edits:

In neither of those did I delete anything substantive of yours. So you're in error in attributing your error to me. More importantly, however, you've now demonstrated your own good faith errors to yourself -- so maybe in the future you'll remember that edits can cross and assume good faith for other people. --Lquilter (talk) 11:11, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

@Lquilter: I have no idea which discussion you are referring to. I don't use mobile phones or all that modern stuff to get automatic tools to inform me when someone responds to some discussion, I just reply on the page. I do assume good faith, and just because I disagree with someone does not mean I think they are in bad faith. I did mention to another editor the other day I thought it was a WP:BADFAITH edit, but since we have sorted that out, without the need for fisticuffs. I think even at that time, I said, I don't believe it is in bad faith but it could look like it was.
I don't see anything in either of the links that you sent that were non other than minor edits. I tend not to mark things as minor edits exactly for the reason that other people, who get notifications, do not always get notifications for minor edits. Come on, these were pretty trivial edits.
I really am not sure what you mean. If I was wrong, and I did disagree with you in another argument, I absolutely sincerely apologise, because I don't mind disagreeing but it is not my habit to assume bad faith. But I can't see that either of the things you said above are either of those.
I didn't spend seven hours yesterday translating from French into English Wikipedia to demonstrate my bad faith. By the way I edit here under my real name, Simon Trew, or Si Trew as I just prefer as a shorthand, but my history seems to be very short not sure why but I had to delete my user page and stuff cos of a stalker, something I dislike doing. I have been editing for quite a while longer than my history suggests. Longer than you. Si Trew (talk) 11:47, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Look, on this page: Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_August_29#Women_in_law you said I removed your comments from the discussion, and you used the phrase "extreme prejudice". I didn't in fact delete any of your edits, as my links show. The link you left, showing your text deleted, was YOUR edit -- so apparently you deleted some of your own edits, then fixed your error, but then attributed the error to me and criticized me for making it. So I'm correcting your misunderstanding and mischaracterization of my edits -- for the record -- since you seemed to have taken it as some kind of hostile action on my part ("With extreme prejudice I think Lquilter did wrong ...". If you're not sure what I mean, you might look at your own edits.
So, if it were me, and someone wrote to me to say I'd made a mistake, I would carefully look at the links, and then I would acknowledge my error and apologize. Like this: "Oh, I made a mistake which I compounded by rudely assuming you had done something wrong. My apologies; please forgive me; I'll do better in the future." What you said, "If I was wrong, and I did disagree with you in another argument, I ... apologise" is actually more a of a pseudo-apology, since you're making it hypothetical and also contingent on us disagreeing somewhere. We haven't ever disagreed, and that's not what I was pointing out to you, so you really haven't said anything useful back to me, and apparently you didn't actually re-read your own lines, where you brought up all this "extreme prejudice" language.
Length of time being an editor isn't going to immunize you from errors. Assuming you've been editing Wikipedia for 10 years or more as I have, then we both have plenty of experience and it's not useful to try to compare.
So I'm giving you some advice, one editor to another. (1) You have made an error in pulling out diffs and attributing them; you might want to be careful about that. (2) You did NOT assume good faith in your discussion of my edit; you might want to do that more. And now, (3) When called out for an error, acknowledge the error and apologize; don't pseudo-apologise.
The advice is free, so you can take it or not. Good luck. Lquilter (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
No, I apologised sincerely, since if I hurt someone's feelings I dislike it very much, and I have obviously hurt yours. I did not just apologise on your talk page but "in public". To have a different opinion is ok (in my opinion), that is not the same thing as stalking someone or whatever, and the reason I pulled out your name was specifically so that you had a right to reply. The fact you don't like my answer is not the same as my being in any way hostile to you. I haven't trampled over your user talk page, for example. Once I have sincerely said sorry, if the other person does not accept it, it becomes that person's problem, not mine. Shall we please both get on in making the encyclopaedia better? Free advice is worth every penny. Si Trew (talk) 17:45, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Matt[hew][s] Mahoney[edit]

I'm not sure what you did but Tavix has reverted your close of WP:RFD#Matt Mahoney and I've been working on correcting your AfD for Matthew Mahoney which, I'm not sure how, you managed to nominate under the wrong title; I'm sure you didn't do any of it maliciously of course. I think I've got it: I've moved Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Mahoney to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Mahoney, and I think at this point Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Mahoney (2nd nomination) should be G6 deleted but I'll leave that up to you. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:36, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh purely my cock-up, whatever it was. Thanks for sorting it out. Si Trew (talk) 11:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 15[edit]

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Matthew Mahoney (footballer), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Ruckman (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:29, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

  • If I remember correctly, you don't like bots annoying you. I've readded {{nobots}} to your talk page so you won't get these notices anymore. Cheers, -- Tavix (talk) 20:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
You've no business doing that, even though it should be known to everyone that nobody owns his talk or user page. But thanks. You can add back DPLbot, which I get occasionally although I try my best (to check DABs etc when I turn redirects into articles), is on the whole helpful. I blanked both the talk and the front page some time ago for doing it.
With no disrespect to anyone, I regard myself as an intelligent idiot, and that is where Wikipedia should be, or any encyclopaedia should be: assume maximum intelligence, minimum knowledge. Si Trew (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Harry S. Truman[edit]

Can you withdraw your RM proposal? No one is supporting it. --George Ho (talk) 10:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

@George Ho:. Done. Not entirely happy with it, but that's WP:CONSENSUS for you. Thanks all for being in good faith. Si Trew (talk) 21:50, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

For the record, the conversation is most current at Wikipedia Talk:Harry_S._Truman&diff=681695557&oldid=681695270. I think it would also be in good faith that if someone asks to comment on a conversation one might give one the link to the conversation rather than one having to spend a long time looking it up oneself. But that is a minor grumble. It usually happens at other deletion, migration and so on discussions. Even {{translated page}} encourages it, and that is usually a sod to do at the last minute on a translation, but does not require it. Si Trew (talk) 22:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Still don't work. I give up trying to convince Wikipedia about that. Pseudospaces don't work. I'm off to bed. Si Trew (talk) 22:53, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Sorry about the bad diff but the diff numbers are there. We should cross-ref the discussions at Rfd, RM, and here, I think, if that is OK with your permission? I have now completely lost my train of thought when I woke up thinking of something else at RfD. (genuinely I am a light sleeper, I get about four hours sleep a night and mostly that is interrupted sleep.) Si Trew (talk) 00:44, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


I'm confused why you make a bunch of typos and then apologize for making them. Wouldn't it be easier to hit "show preview", find the typos, fix the typos, and then you wouldn't have to apologize? That way, we can stay on-topic in our discussions and I can figure out what you are saying a lot easier. Communication is key. -- Tavix (talk) 00:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC).

Huh, yeah I do do that, but it is very intermittently fast and slow, so that I preview it then make a small change thinking oh that will just be fine as a small change to a typo but between TYPING it and it going in it goes in the wrong place, like now this is working fine, perhaps it is just the long pages that this lappy doesn1t like and nothing to do with the internet. The YZ confusion is just cos I am used to tzping on Hungarian layout and this is on US layout, and I do hit preview and so on, but earlier it was working extremely slowly for me. I appreciate that causes you confusion which is the last thing I should want to do, but I had hit save, after reviewing the text in preview, before I saw the mistakes, because some kind of buffer somewhere along the line had then added back in the mistakes that I thought I had taken out! Sorry about that all.

By the way I am going to a job interview today at 2pm our time European Summer Time and so am preparing for that, so am just not exactly wasting time, I hope, but using Wikipedia as a kinda warm up for getting my brain into gear for doing something intellectual instead of watching daytime TV and washing floors. Wish me luck.


I don't mean any offense at all, but I literally can't figure out what you're saying. So please, make an effort to fix your typos. (Especially at RFD, because the discussion should be about the redirects, not about anything off-topic. It muddies the discussion and makes it harder to find consensus.) Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 00:23, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
I agree completely, which is why I said sorry. I didn!t mean to muck it up, just I was getting preview screens well the WP page dowloads were overlapping with the pages and the data, seems calm now but it was very very slow earlier so although I previewed and so on, in fact I went on this lappy thinking perhaps it was just the wireless link from the other computer but I think WP was just very slow so I was kinda getting edit conflicts with meself. You may notice I marked as ec one of mine that you commented on (and that we are in general agreement I think should be split out) and I should have liked to have made myself clearer but just anything I tried at that time was ecíng and so on. The ZY confusion is just mine cos I have to get used to a QWERTY again. My points seem clear, what could you not understand and I shall clarify over at RfD? Si Trew (talk) 00:27, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
I guess I'll just break-down your comments at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_September_26#Foreign_redirects_to_Mrs. to give an example. Your first comment was perfect until you added: "Escuse mz mistakes, very slow Internet link tonight and I am not on my usual kb hence the yz confusion and bz the time i save i have missed typed y instead of y or the other way around (am used to typing on hungarian layout, this is US layout)." That was not necessary at all. You didn't have any typos or mistakes until you added that sentence. It was off-topic, which is bad, and was filled with several typos, making the sentence hard to read. Your next comment: "Yeah, I think so tool Steely. Is Kyria a likelz synonzm for Syria for example? Sorrz for the slow link and all the mostakes." The first two sentences were good, but that last sentence was unnecessary. In the time it took you to type that, you could have fixed the four typos that you had previously. Do you understand where I'm coming from now? I'm just confused why you need to muddy up the discussion by apologizing when you could have just fix the typos yourself... -- Tavix (talk) 01:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
And you are quite right to say so. I was having trouble with Internet interference, and I think I solved it, I have a wireless printer (a couple of years old) which seems to have had the heebie jeebies with trying to connect, and moving it to a different room (the missus would not allow me to move it to the rubbish bin/trashcan) seems to have solved the problem, the printer works a lot faster now and I don't have all these typos. I can understand your frustration and I am glad you appreciate mine, because the last thing I should like to do is cause more confusion than we already have. Thank you for bringing it to my attention quietly, I think it is fixed now. Si Trew (talk) 20:45, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
BTW I hope you wished me luck for my job interview. Not sure how it went. Si Trew (talk) 20:49, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

A fresh start[edit]

The renaming process of my account is underway, so in the interim I am using this account, see here. I recently realised that name wasn't occupied, so I decided to change it. TheChampionMan1234 alt (talk) (I am using this account until my old one is renamed, see here) 22:52, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it really is me, nothing really has changed other than the name, the original one didn't mean anything, I just sorta something random when signing up 4 years ago, so nothing so special about that. I thought it wasn't gonna happen due to some complications at the beginning but it did. Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 05:35, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
@Champion: Well blow me down. Thanks for all your help at RfD, is it OK if over there I still refer to you just as The Champ or Champ? The "see here" is essentially blank for me so I guess thez have tidied that as part of the process. Si Trew (talk) 06:58, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
@SimonTrew: Yeah, notice I might have to change the signature soon, you know. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 08:01, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
@SimonTrew: BTW, I have moved your YX essay to the userspace because I don't think it is ready yet. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 08:06, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
That is essentially a joke. Hope you liked it. Si Trew (talk) 10:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
In mz opinion there should be more jokes on Wikipedida. Not in articles, they a re serious, but in ttittel-tattle I dont know why people have to be so serious, the way we get things done is to amuse ouytselves an you say (you say potato and I say krumpli). You are one of the best at it, I hope I am not the champion but maybe a close second. I don't understand why people have to be so serious, surely making articles is a serious business but discussiong them can be fun. Well zou and I seem to have fun, anyway. Ecxcue the typos I can"t tell Y from X. let alone Z. I am chpooing a tree to make a bench for my seven-year'-old!s neighbours son, if I get it right he will have four stools and a table *Hungarian azstal) but it is a bit hard work for me cos it is old wood. So far the table balances perfectly and things run off it like shit off a shovel, but now I have to do the four little seats. I got some cheap wood yesterday from next door that they were throwing out but not sure what to do with it yet. Si Trew (talk) 10:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
The son is seven years old not the neighbour. She is thirty-two I think... she is very cute though. Si Trew (talk) 12:49, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


Nuvola apps edu languages.svg
Hello, SimonTrew. You have new messages at Champion's talk page.
Message added 01:55, 3 October 2015 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

- Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 01:55, 3 October 2015 (UTC)