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WikiProject Architecture[edit]

Hello and welcome to the WikiProject Architecture - here's the bulletin - if you don't like it just delete it from your talk page, otherwise, it automatically updates. Please give me or one of the other project members a shout if you need any help. Kind regards Elekhh (talk) 22:15, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Joan Newton Cuneo article[edit]

Hi Sionk, This is Speedhist, Have been laid up for a while just starting writing again. I would like to revise my article on Joan Newton Cuneo, but I haven't been able to find your comments. Could you please direct me to them. Best, Speedhist (talk) 21:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I made some comments when I declined your draft article in 2013, but these will have been lost when the draft was successfully moved to Wikipedia's article space. However, if you have any questions I'll be happy to help. Sionk (talk) 18:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I was surprised to see that my article was now uploaded. I will add a few photos in a few days. Plan to do a few more bios of early women racers. Speedhist (talk) 14:08, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

about managing List of female architects[edit]

Hi Sionk -- I hope you can consider Talk:List of female architects#proposal for treatment of redlinks and removed items as a well-meaning try, that you might support in whole or part. I saw somewhere, not sure where, that there's an initiative started or starting soon to get a lot of development of women architects in Wikipedia. I'd like for new editors who add red-links or other info to the list-article, perhaps without much knowledge of Wikipedia rules, to be welcomed and to be treated nicely. There are in fact new editors arriving. E.g. brand-new editor User:Avabkeating who recently added Jane Goodman item recently, on her first day of editing at Wikipedia. My supporting that, and welcoming her at her Talk page and beginning to help develop a corresponding draft article, seems to be going well. Simply removing new items, on the other hand, would be pretty negative for brand-new editors. I hope you can see some benefit of being flexible and accommodating in a different way, at the list-article, for a while at least? I have the impression that you've managed the list-article well for a while, but hope some change is possible. I look forward to your participation at that proposal Talk section, and I'll also watch here. sincerely, --doncram 17:19, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Sure, the idea of being welcoming is a sound one, of course! I've replied on Talk:List of female architects and I support the idea of a sub-list (though not sure where that should be). Sionk (talk) 18:11, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Chalda Maloff multiple issues[edit]

I thought by adding secondary sources and clearing up insufficient inline citations as suggested it would correct the article but now I see your latest issue of being too close of a connection to the subject. How can I fix this? I feel the additions have made things worse. Help! ChaldaMaloff (talk) 20:16, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

You were warned that writing an autobiography about yourself was not a good idea. It is extremely difficult to remain objective and write only about widely known facts. Generally information (in biographical article in particular) should be cited to published sources that are independent of the subject. In contrast to that, describing a book or paper and citing it to the book/paper itself is not good practice. Sionk (talk) 19:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Amanda Eliasch[edit]

Merrypinkwoman (talk) 22:46, 19 April 2015 (UTC)Re: Amanda Eliasch. She is an important donor with both the The Elephant Family and the The BFI. Why do you always say no? I checked with the BFI and with the others. If the other artists can mention their contributions why cannot she? If a socialite is a socialite, then in the old fashioned world of its real meaning of the world she is contributing to society at large. She appears to be doing this frequently. The links are correct. The other edits I make never have this criticism, and they have done far less than she has. What's the exact problem? The page is always attacked for no real reason.[1] check the costs of the charities and you will see she is quite some donor, that is just the surface. She contributed to Britweek in Los Angeles several times, supporting Pam Hogg too, that was not changed yet her page always is?Merrypinkwoman (talk) 22:46, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

As you know from the history of this Amanda Eliasch article, there were multiple attempts to delete it because of its promotional nature (with suggestions that Eliasch was contributing herself). It was saved from deletion (largely by me and another experienced editor) on the basis it would be cleaned up.
If you want to describe her as an "important donor" to various charities (or BFI) you'll need to cite that claim to a reliable source (e.g. a news article about her donations). Citing that sort of thing to a list on a charity website with her name on it is not the right thing to do. Try and stick to adding widely established (and verifiable) facts about her. Sionk (talk) 02:57, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Merrypinkwoman (talk) 11:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Thank you for your help Sionk I appreciate that you have helped the page along with another prominent editor, but I think if you had read what I have read it would cement the worthiness of pursuits. Otherwise, we should remove the word "socialite" which means in its proper sense that the person does a lot for society. Anyway the links do not get taken down on other Wikapedia pages that I contribute to?. It is worth talking about. The BFI should be added in my view,

and The Elephant Family as she seems to have spent on record 100,000 pounds on helping the Elephants habitat and to have places to live in India. Surely more than other people?. The BFI on record she has given 100,000 pounds too? The others are smaller amounts. Please inform me so I can get the right links. Who checks old artists pages? As you saw others need doing? Because of the lack of records in the 1980's 1990's citations are poor? How much do you have to give in order to be a major donor, I think this is considerable? I shall look forward to hearing from you.Merrypinkwoman (talk) 11:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

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Why are you deleting "Alternatiba, village des alternatives"?[edit]

Hi, I don't understand why you deleted much of the content of Alternatiba, Village of Alternatives. Moreover, I don't understand why you did delete the categories I did propose for this article.

Let have a look please on the French or on the Spanish version of such a page. If, since 2014 December, they have been allowed by the numerous French administrators who have visited and corrected minor defaults of this page, I don't understand why do their translation looks unauthorized bu English users?

Sorry for my rough English and thank you in advance for your replies! --- Alter005 [ --> talk] 09:42, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry, your English is excellent! Thankyou for pointing out my error in removing the categories, a mistake on my part. I've added them back again.
Unfortunately this very long article was completely unsourced (I added a newspaper source I found online). The only part of the article I deleted was the very long list of future events. The purpose of Wikipedia is not to advertise events that haven't happened yet.
I suggest you add some news sources to the article, to help verify the facts and prove Alternatiba meets notability criteria for the English language Wikipedia. Sionk (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply
the problem is that I don't have any English references
So would-it be possible to insert some of the French or Spanish references which are published on the French and Spanish WP pages?
Besides, there are already a lot of work which have been done for the future events, for instance in Paris or in other cities. So it would not be an advertisement but rather an information on what have been done, and an announcement of the future events. It's the reason why this information is going on staying on the French and Spanish WP.
Thus, why not on the English WP?
Would you be so kind to explain-me this unequality between English and other WP? --- Alter005 [ --> talk] 19:09, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Non-English language sources are absolutely fine, especially if they are in reliable sources, such as newspapers and news websites.
As for the long list of future events, well, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a platform for announcements. I don't know what rules are in place on the French and Spanish Wikipedias, so I can't comment on those. Sionk (talk) 19:36, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi Sionk, Is the add of 17 references sufficient for removing the advert ahead of the article? Thanks for any reply --- Alter005 [ --> talk] 12:36, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Kate Bateman[edit]

You seem to be under the impression that I had something to do with the creation of this article. I did not. I created the page as a redirect to another article about another person: (from Kate Bateman to Kate Josephine Bateman). The redirect has since been made into an article about the auctioneer and antiques expert. But I had nothing to do with that. If you are trying to notify the creator of Kate Bateman about the article's nomination for deletion, you will have to notify someone else... Please don't notify me. - Nunh-huh 22:09, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Alternatiba (disambiguation) ?[edit]

Hi Sionk,

I am sorry for removing the advert ahead of Alternatiba, Village of Alternatives. But I thought that six references would be enough. How much do we need? Anyway, I'll go on in copying and translating the remaining references of the French page. After this weekend, I would have more references for the event which is going to take place in Todmorden (England) tomorrow. Can I put a reference linked with this website.

I would need your kind help for another problem. For the French and Spanish pages, I did create 3 or 4 months ago 2 disambiguation pages in order to avoid the ambiguation involved by the two different use of the world Alternatiba (for the Basque party and for the Village of Alternatives). Similarly, I have just created an Alternatiba (disambiguation) page in the English WP. But I am not very eased to use the English tools, even if they look similar to the French ones.

So would you be so kind to watch this page, maybe for correcting the errors I have done? Or just if you have not time enough for informing me of what I could have to do? Whatever you could do, thank you again for your collaboration in building this page. --- Alter005 [ --> talk] 17:32, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

May we publish on the English WP some future events that haven't happened yet?[edit]

When a lot of work has been done for a cultural event which is already programmed, is-it possible to announce it on WP? Yes, if it is an official event, such as a programmed opera, a programmed dance exhibition, or an event included in a TV broadcasting. For instance, by searching in the EN WP, I have found several announcements of events programmed in 2015 or 2017:

  • in the Sarasota Opera page written in December 2014, we can read details concerning the 'Verdi cycle': The only operas which remain to be presented are Don Carlos, in the original, 5-act, Paris version in French, which is planned for 2015, while La battaglia di Legnano and Aida are planned for 2016 to complete the Verdi Cycle, a feat which distinguishes Sarasota Opera as the only company in the world to have performed every note which the composer wrote.
  • in the Love (TV series), we can read " Love is an upcoming American comedy television series set to premiere in 2016. The show is created by Judd Apatow and Lesley Arfin and stars Gillian Jacobs and Paul Rust."
  • In the The Phantom of the Opera (1986 musical) page, we can find out in the 'other productions' that " In season 2014/2015 there will be 24 performances in total, of which 8 will be in capital Tallinn at Nordea Concert Hall (premiered there on 30 October 2014). In season 2015/2016 there are plans to give 16 performances."
  • In the List of programs broadcast by Syfy, we can read a list of premieres forecasted in the Upcoming programs such as "Hunters (premieres 2016)" or Killjoys[6] (Premieres June 19, 2015) and Dark Matter (Premieres June 12, 2015).

So, it is not fair to consider that informing about the work for programmed alternative events would be an advertisement, while considering future official events as allowed to be advertised in WP! Considering this practice used in the EN WP for cultural events, I consider that I am allowed to publish on the EN WP future programmed events since they are gathering a lot of work even if they are not yet existing right now.

Considering these arguments, do you still disagree with me ?--- Alter005 [ --> talk] 10:53, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

AFD Visual Collaborative[edit]

Hello Sionk,

Reading your profile, your contributions to wikipedia is appreciated and respected. We cited some content you removed previously which was re-added back because of incoming links tied to the article. You then added a AFD above the article after the removed was added back. This article has been referenced by different entities over the past 4 years and previously approved by admins. The article is on its way to perfection, and to rectify the cited issue with the sources referenced and the context formatting, the removed data has to be present. Some references to past events under notability guidelines on the linked websites have been removed due to server changes and need to be retrieved through archived outlets, this can take time. Wikipedia makes a provision for this scenario and your efforts, patience and understanding is appreciated. Thanks. Mnanonymous (talk) 17:50, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

MNY

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "because of incoming links tied to the article". If these are internal Wikipedia links, well, there were none in the removed lists.
If you wish to improve the article by adding news, magazine or book coverage about Visual Collaborative then you will have at least 7 days to do so, while the AfD is running its course. I couldn't see any online, which is why I nominated it for deletion discussion. Offline/'dead tree' sources are fine if you know of them, but they need to be fully described. Sionk (talk) 19:07, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


Sionk, thanks for your quick response. I understand the need for us to keep the integrity of the articles in check. I went ahead to remove the excess data as your suggested in your previous note and condensed the data into a readable table. Some of the sources you would have found online sadly are no longer available. Some of the reputable grassroots media outlets collapsed during the recession and so did their print or digital platforms, some not so fortunate to bounce back. Will try to locate the right kind print support you mention for the article. Thanks for your feedback, patience and support in the ongoing discussions to keep our article online.Mnanonymous (talk) 19:43, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

I responded to your comment on the Talk page for the Graffiti article.[edit]

I'm not at all shocked that you don't have a clue who Cornbread is yet are editing a page about graffiti or that you don't know that graffiti would not exist the way it does for all of you to find so "kewel" if it weren't for Philadelphia. Take care now. 24rhhtr7 (talk) 08:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Civility Barnstar[edit]

Civility barnstar.png The Civility Barnstar
You are hereby awarded the Civility Barnstar for your forbearance and civility in the discussions on the Graffiti talk page. Thnidu (talk) 02:57, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Haha, thanks!! I didn't do much. I think an Uncivility badge would be a better option, for the other guy ;) Sionk (talk) 17:14, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

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about buying books re notability of places[edit]

At the Portobello House AFD, I replied with a suggestion that the 10 Euro volume be purchased. I hope you are not offended or too abruptly dismissive; if you don't think that would be productive i'd be interested in your explaining. FYI, not long ago, I did myself recently purchase a guidebook to the Isle of Man, during a long-running AFD which paused for me to receive it, because it seemed highly relevant to establishing the notability of a place article where there was an impasse. In that case I was undecided or against keeping the article, i don't remember. The other party was a local expert in many ways but without much Wikipedia experience. I bought the book fairly cheaply to be sent to me, and fount the book contradicted the pro-Keep arguments, and I said so. And the AFD was concluded with Delete decision. The approach didn't solve the more general issue for many related articles, and there remains an impasse between that editor and me. So finding out the "truth" by paying for a source didn't solve everything. Here i am still serious with my side of the offer/challenge to pay, but with it set up differently (to put the resource in the hands of the local expert), hoping maybe it could do some good. Of course this is all too much for one article, saving the article or not is not very important really we all agree... you me and the author agree about that....but still a decision needs to be made. doncram 03:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

The publication you referred to is in Cardiff Central Library, which unfortunately is closed for 'refurbishment' until 8 June. However, the possibility of Portobello House being mentioned in it is fairly remote, so I think the publication is a red herring in the AfD argument. No-one would seriously argue that every vaguely related offline publication needs to be consulted before an article is deleted.
I appreciate that you've written a substantial number of articles about US buildings which have been recognised on various heritage registers. Heritage registers (or listed building status in the UK) are a sound indication of some sort of notability. Portobello House isn't listed.
I've searched the British Newspaper Archive and the only mention I can find is of the "Portobello Inn" which was listed in variosu publications circa 1890 because the owner had been declared bankrupt. Apart from that I've drawn a blank. Sionk (talk) 22:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Royal Hotel, Cardiff[edit]

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What does "embedded URLS' mean?[edit]

Hi Sionk,

I'm trying to improve this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jeremy_Taylor_%28dreamworker%29 which you said it was "filled with embedded URLS". I'm not sure what form things are supposed to be in. Can you clarify for me? Thanks.

Lcuff (talk) 23:17, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

By "embedded urls" I mean the website homepage links you have added for every organisation he has been associated with. These do not help the article, they simply advertise the various websites. You need to find some secondary news/book sources about Taylor to make the article meaningful. Sionk (talk) 09:27, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sionk,

Thank you for your explanation of embedded URLS, but I confess I remain confused. You say of the embedded URLs "these do not help the article, they simply advertise the various websites" But in fact they document that what is being said is true. Each page I gave is a link to the site where it documents that Taylor is part of the staff, or has the association stated in the Wikipedia article. What you've said is very confusing. The guidelines for articles talk endlessly about needing to provide sources and references for what is said. The pages I give provide the proof of those associations. Are you saying I should remove these URLs, or have them in some other form or in some other part of the page?

Lcuff (talk) 18:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, yes, I think you should remove these links. I've clicked on several and none mention Taylor, they are simply homepages for organisations' websites. They serve no purpose and (if the article ever reaches main article space) are likely to get removed.
Sources are, of course, important for verification of the facts, but are worth little unless you can demonstrate that the subject is notable enough to be on Wikipedia in the first place. If you want to improve the article you'll need to follow the advice we've left for you, and dig up some sources about Taylor that are reliable (e.g. journalistic, academic) and independent of him. Sionk (talk) 21:17, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Wallace Foundation[edit]

It took me 24 minutes to convert the bare URLs in this article to full references. Could I suggest that the next time you come across this problem, you actually do the work of fixing the problem, instead of simply tagging it and leaving it for another editor to do? BMK (talk) 01:39, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

That's the purpose of clean-up templates, isn't it? There are some people that seem to like converting bare urls. I had more urgent things to do. If you don't like doing that sort of thing, why didn't you leave it for someone else? Sionk (talk) 10:30, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

subheadings[edit]

Good afternoon Sionk! I was just a bit confused why you were moving the awards section on Shanti Wintergate under the Play Date heading, when one of the awards was for a book published five years before the band was founded. Earflaps (talk) 20:32, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

The award was in 2014 to Play Date, as far as I can see from the source. Sionk (talk) 17:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Richard Murphy Architect[edit]

Hi Sion K

This is Richard Murphy Architects here - we are trying to correct some incorrect info on the wikipedia page but it keeps being undone - would you be able to just let us know which guidelines you would like us to adhere to when making changes rather than undoing the factually correct info and replacing it with the old incorrect info?

Thanks very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.37.60.171 (talk) 13:07, 29 June 2015 (UTC)