User talk:Sitush

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... or panic madly and freak out?
Have you come here to rant at me? It is water off a duck's back.

Forward/Backward[edit]

Even though the incessant pleas on the caste articles are tiresome, I am also sympathetic to what they say. It is terribly disparaging to be called a "backward caste." Whereas the North Indians care a lot about varna status, the South Indians care a lot about the forward/backward caste distinction. So, we need to find a happy medium. Do you have sources that explain what was meant by forward/backward in the 1921 census? Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 01:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Not off the top of my head. I do know that this entire thing is a mess and that what the Brits thought sometimes differs massively from the present-day system. I would have to dig around for info. The best I can offer right now is a simple statement that avoids original research/synthesis etc. This is that, assuming their cite of the OBC list is accurate (I haven't checked), we add a sentence saying something like As of 2016, the X are not categorised as OBC by the Government of Y. - Sitush (talk) 01:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
That is not exactly an honourable statement either. How about it if we delete the 1921 stuff from the Kapu (caste) article? It is dated information and not particularly important. - Kautilya3 (talk) 02:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
We are not here to be honourable, merely informative. If my proposed sentence was tagged on to the end of the 1921 stuff then I think it would balance things. Assuming they are correct, I would have thought it reasonably significant that they were once considered some sort of backward community but are so no longer; for example, either the Brits were wrong, the criteria have changed or the community has improved its status.
Aren't most of the population to be found in OBC or SC/ST lists? If it is disparaging then most of the country must be unhappy, and that would usually mean riots/protests etc when in fact even more groups are trying to get themselves thus categorised. I will try to do some reading today. - Sitush (talk) 09:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
@Kautilya3: I'm sorry but I've had a bit of a rough day health-wise and haven't got round to reading up on the issue yet - too many painkillers. What does jar is the fact that we allow caste articles to include statements about their martial race status during the Raj era but there are repeated attempts to remove any Raj designations that are considered to lack honour etc. We can't have it both ways. - Sitush (talk) 19:46, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, the Raj era terminology of forward/backward wasn't great. The equivalents in the west for backward classes are terms like "disadvantaged backgrounds," "underprivileged classes" etc. It is a pity that the Indian government hasn't engaged in such linguistic innovations, but we need to figure out how to soften the terminology so that it isn't offending. Some scholars put `backward castes' in quote marks so that it doesn't appear as standard terminology.
The reactions that we are getting are broadly similar to what the Brits got when they started doing caste census. We shouldn't make the same mistakes that they made then.
I think it is naive to say that we merely provide information. This is the information age. Everybody with a phone does google searches, and we show up on top. We shouldn't underestimate our power. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 20:26, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Yet people are happy to see martial race in the relevant articles. It is double-standards, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 20:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, it is human nature. Besides, the martial races and the backward castes are quite disjoint, I would think. So it isn't the same people.
You might have noticed somebody delete my mention of Kammas as Kapus of Kammanadu. It apparently runs against the Kamma mythology. That is the kind of stuff that I would really fight about. - Kautilya3 (talk) 20:44, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you![edit]

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7&6=thirteen () 21:12, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I am not sure what I've done that justifies this but, yay, a new delicacy for me to investigate. Thanks very much. - Sitush (talk) 00:42, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Mircea Itul[edit]

Good morning, Sir. Please help Mircea Itul. He is not an Indian. He is not an Indologist worldwide recognised, but he is a famous Indologist in his country, who has been doing a lot to promote Indian culture in his country and internationally. Please see the last wall text Itul as Indologist on the talk page Mircea Itul. Itul was given awards by three different Indian Ambassadors in Romania and one of his books called Itinerarii indiene (Indian Journeys) was launched by Indian Ambassador, His Excellency Rajiv Dogra, at the National Book Fair in Bucharest, 2000. I ask Project India to support Itul's page not to be deleted. Thank you. user:clairec78 —Preceding undated comment added 06:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi, Claire. I'm afraid Sitush isn't available right now; he's unwell. Bishonen | talk 09:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC).

Hi. I wish you well and to recover soon. You are loved and appreciated by everyone. Thank you BishonenClairec78 (talk) 10:10, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

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Sorted, I think? - Sitush (talk) 00:42, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Sitush get well soon. sincere wishes for a quick recovery[edit]

Sitush get well soon. For sleeping well please add a teaspoon of turmeric in a glass of milk before bed time and consume it. Its helpful in sleeping. My sincere wishes for a quick recovery. take care Sangitha rani111 (talk)Sangitha rani111

(talk page stalker) I must try that. You mean a glass of hot milk? I join you in wishing Sitush a speedy recovery. Bishonen | talk 23:30, 9 February 2016 (UTC).
Hot milk; you probably want to put something else in to mask the taste if you're not used to it, as to the western palate turmeric usually tastes disgustingly bitter. Turmeric's a very strong antiinflammatory, and the milk stops it irritating your stomach lining on the way down. Wikipedia has an article on the active ingredient, but it's incomprehensible even by WP:MED standards. (In all honesty, you could probably get the same benefits with as aspirin washed down with milk, if you don't have turmeric to hand.) ‑ Iridescent 23:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
This being Wikipedia, I should probably add a "clinical effects unproven" disclaimer, mainly down to nobody having bothered to conduct a clinical trial on something that's extremely cheap and totally unpatentable, but I don't believe the basic effects are in serious doubt. Some of the more fantastical claims regarding it curing arthritis and cancer, take with an extreme pinch of salt. ‑ Iridescent 23:47, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Correction: "something that's extremely cheap and totally unpalatable" :). --regentspark (comment) 14:10, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Iridescent. I like turmeric, I use it for flavouring rice all the time, but turmeric in hot milk does sound… unfamiliar. I'll mix it up with a little honey, perhaps. (And a pinch of salt. :-)) So, I suppose the rice I eat most days is antiinflammatory, then? Good stuff. Bishonen | talk 18:06, 10 February 2016 (UTC).
  • All my very best thoughts and wishes. Get well soon. — Ched :  ?  18:20, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

My thanks to al of you. My concentration isn't good at the moment and so I may be more or less absent for some time to come. If I have got this right, I need hot milk, turmeric and a bucket of salt? Perhaps a smidgeon of honey? Beer sounds better but, alas, I'm not allowed that and at my age I'm afraid that, while it might aid getting to sleep, it can cause many interruptions during the sleep period unless I fancy a wet mattress! I like turmeric, btw, and also other common spices of the region, such as cumin. I've recently discovered mango powder while making veggie samosas - waaaaaay better than lemon juice for that sharp edge. - Sitush (talk) 00:38, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Nice to see you anyway — and in such a fine spot, too! — hope the recovery is progressing. You'll remove the edit notice when it's no longer needed, won't you? Or maybe keep it, lol — I'm considering putting some similar admonishment on my own page. "Please don't post on this page unless you bring flowers and chocolates, Bishonen isn't in the mood for anything else." Bishonen | talk 15:25, 13 February 2016 (UTC).
Sitush, all the best for spicy recovery. Bishonen: thanks for that notice. The other day, I put "heartache" with flowers on top of my talk, but received an edit war. Will put it back now, for the funeral day today until the next, next week. Only songs, please,

Paraiyar Article[edit]

Hereby I acknowledge that the article about "Paraiyar", a community of South india is a sensitive information.Some Users are potraying the community as slaves.Mentioning of "Slave" or Using any defamatory words against any community or particular section is an punishable offence.There may be a chance for particular section of people were treated as slaves,but mentioning a community as slaves is unconstituional since slavery is abolished by the constitution of India.Degrading a community status is a punishable offence under India law (Promoting enmity between different classes and endangering Integrity of India.Some times some truths cannot be exposed in public.(India was once a slave nation to british,for this single reason India cannot be introduced as former slave of british).I Hope all the admins can understand well.I welcome more research and discussions about the article.I am not against removing unreliable information(without sources).But I am against discrimination in the name of religion,caste,culture,language.I Hope wikipedia will protect the true spirit of knowledge and human freedom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RajaRajan Tamilian (talkcontribs) 19:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

The article talk talk page is the place for this, although you need to be wary of WP:NLT also. - Sitush (talk) 00:31, 12 February 2016 (UTC)