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Attention on Propaganda Articles and misleading edits in List of Rajputs[edit]

Hello Sitush The articles Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha looks like the content uploader 'Prabhatmishra1985' (who has been blocked earlier) is running a propagandist agenda and presenting mostly hoax and over exaggerated facts in disguise of some real facts.He has inserted the names of son and grandson of Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha & Ram Dulari Sinha in many places including the top slot of the wiki page political families of Bihar. How can a couple's children who have never ever been a legislator,parliamentarian or held any constitutional office or had any political relevance be forcefully presented as 'important political personalities of Bihar'? Is it a place to promote or falsely portray individuals?

Secondly, In the page political families of Bihar,there are seasoned families whose several generations of leaders have held highest constitutional offices in India/bihar and there are families producing several ministers and Chief Ministers;how come the couple of Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha & Ram Dulari Sinha be considered a 'political dynasty or family of Bihar' when after the couple none of their children or grand child ever won any election in state or held any important constitutional office or in short never got the people's mandate.

Also, the user 'Prabhatmishra1985' has strangely added the couple in the FIRST place of the national 'List of Rajputs'- 'Politicians of India'. He has removed much much important historic,political and constitutional personalities of India belonging to Rajput Caste and inserted Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha at the TOP of list who was only a one time MP and .If his his wife Ram Dulari Sinha (Who may be included as she held post of a Governor) is included then why not other Rajputs who have held the office of Governor of several states and some who became Governors & CMs many times?. There are hundreds of prominent Rajputs who have been MPs and members of first Lok Sabha of India and there are some who even have been CMs, Governors and central ministers,then how come only Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha who doesn't qualify to be placed at the 'Top' is allowed there?Kindly ensure only content backed by realistic sources and genuine importance are uploaded.

Neutral parties on Bengal famine of 1943?[edit]

Hello Sitush.

I have no recollection at all how I started working on Bengal famine of 1943. I grew up in suburban US in a rural state, and all of my relatives are very rural 'Muricans. I don't give a flying hoot about the Raj. If anything at all... I can come clean and confess to being obsessively perfectionist (in many but not all cases; sometimes I DGAF, esp. for pop culture crap) about Wikipedia. I probably have lost friends because of it, in fact.

I spent a year rewriting Bengal famine of 1943 because it was massively POV horse manure. I made a half-completed list of all the POV aspects, and even half done, it was distressing. Huge aspects never even mentioned, etc. That list is given on the MilHist try I think.

I acknowledge that I perceive Fowler&Fowler to be an admitted pro-British POV editor because of this comment: "This is in part because BFo1943 is only obliquely military history. In fact to cast it as military history is to buy into a POV out there that exceptional war time conditions allowed the famine to fly under the radar of British responsibility."

F&F has already asserted that he thinks I worked in userspace to protect a POV.

Are there any very experienced and very neutral editors who can help satisfy F&F's demands that the article must be checked?

Having said all that, I have to confess: I very clearly believe (and invite you to consider the possibility) that there are exactly three forums in the whole of Wikipedia that even come close to being equipped to handle this article. Those three forums are WP:FAC, WP:FAC, and WP:FAC. GA? Please. PR? Well, yeah, in theory, but in practice it is undermanned. It is designed to be of lesser quality than FAC. MILHIST? Same as PR, plus A- level reviewers are all at FAC already anyhow... In FAC people have to stow away their POV, and the best reviewers in Wikipedia congregate at FAC. I would be quite content for the article to sit three or four months in FAC, if that's what it takes...

Sigh. I give up; I forgot that you already said at Bish's page that you don't have a good view of the article. Cheers; I'll go bang my head against a wall at WT:FACLingzhi ♦ [[User talk:Lingzhi|(t

Editor of the Week[edit]

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User Sitush has a reputation as a rock-solid defender and invaluable resource of all "pages India". Praised by many as " of those rare editors that, in spite of conflict, is determined to keep the place clean from corruption, spam, misinformation, ethnic propaganda, political rhetoric". He uses the edit summary 99% of the time and 76% of his extensive input is to article space. He is a vigilant and active monitor and adviser, guiding editors toward workable solutions. Sitush is actively watchful for "clutter" at articles about India, demanding reliably sourced information and dissuading original research. His patience combined with his insistence on maintaining Wikipedia standards are remarkable.

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Thanks again for your efforts! ―Buster7  13:49, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Buster7 and User:MelanieN. I recognise that quote from somewhere. - Sitush (talk) 10:57, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome. You are very much deserving of this award. I have often admired your grace under fire (you get a lot of "fire", the articles you deal with). Keep up the good work! --MelanieN (talk) 16:33, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Congratulations Sitush! You are the editor of the decade as far as I am concerned :-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:04, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
👍 Like (and I've never 'liked' anything ever before!)--regentspark (comment) 20:36, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
I think we're probably of the same generation, RP! Kautilya, much appreciated but, just in the India sphere, think of people such as Fowler&fowler. I'm a nobody in comparison. - Sitush (talk) 23:31, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment Sitush, but NPOV on Wikipedia is a many-authored process. It requires in equal measure the addition of knowledge and the subtraction of opinions that masquerade as knowledge. That you have made prolific contributions to both is beyond doubt for me. That you have accomplished both with a matter-of-fact, undramatic, resilience is also beyond doubt for me. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:03, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I remember seeing a post from an editor (who I think you've been in dispute with) that could be paraphrased as "Sitush is trusted because almost everyone dislikes him equally -- Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, and people of every caste, so he must be doing things in a way that no single group thinks of him as an ally"; I think the sentiment can be clarified such that you take the side of policies and guidelines instead of blind faith or opinion, and coming from a detractor speaks volumes. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 03:28, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Congratulations! A well deserved award for your brilliant tireless efforts at controlling and phenomenally improving the quality of numerous WP articles despite the controversial nature of the topics-you profess on!Winged Blades Godric 03:49, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Belated congratulations from me too. You've been active on the pages I've been involved in since I first started editing, and always helped straighten things out. "Everyone dislikes him equally"; in the indic sphere, that's almost a compliment, I think. Vanamonde (talk) 04:40, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Heh, a backhanded compliment for sure! - Sitush (talk) 10:19, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Congratulations Sitush! To say well-deserved is something of an understatement..Simon Irondome (talk) 17:38, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
So very well deserved, the enyclopedia needs a lot more editors of your calibre. J3Mrs (talk) 21:05, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, folks, Onwards and, well, onwards. - Sitush (talk) 18:00, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

September 2017[edit]

Hi, This is WikiCone!. Hope you are well. You recently removed my edits from Kumar Vishwas while there was nothing like you wrote in description that it was a fan made stuff. As i checked you are reverting all edits on this page and the page has been still same since a long time. Feel free if you think that you did any mistake, i will manage the page. Mr Sitush, i hope you will not act like it again. Thanks. WikiCone! (talk) 21:18 12 September 2017 (UTC)

See WP:OWN, WP:NPOV and the various other pages I mentioned at Talk:Kumar Vishwas. - Sitush (talk) 16:26, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Assamese Brahmins[edit]

Thanks for your note. I understand the rationale behind the revert and it's OK to have it removed, however, I've never intended to push any POV in this or any other contributions of mine. I have cited sources wherever possible to ensure that the statements are credible. Genetics based studies if not accepted in a caste-based article, it is fine, but Brahmins have that genetic variation (recorded in various genetic studies, which are facts) from the rest of the communities whether or not you or anyone else accepts it, in general. Your recent edit commentaries seemed to align with the perspectives of those people who try and portray Brahmins to be divisive and make them the scapegoat.

So that you've some perspective, let me tell you that the Brahmins by and large were and still are in pursuit of knowledge, that made them relatively more intelligent, thereby stemming jealousy among others. Brahmins never tried to be divisive / racist to anyone if someone had the calibre! Brahmins had a few ethics which they upheld and did a few things differently, including keeping them separate from others, but that itself can't be generalised, as had that been the case, Ved Vyas who was born to a fisher woman wouldn't have been allowed to edit 4 Vedas and write Mahabharata, Valmiki couldn't have composed Ramayan, India wouldn't have had Bhakti and non-bhakti saints etc., and Ram, Buddha, Valmiki, Vashisht, Mahavir, Vivekananda wouldn't have been treasured/considered great by others and Brahmins alike.

You may be aware of the examples, such as the Pundits (Brahmins) of Cashmere been killed and removed from their original homes from their homeland, and Brahmins been forced out of Goa during Portuguese reign because they didn't convert to Christianity etc. So, many of us have been resilient and that's why we have been relatively more successful, although the Quota system as per the Government of India regulations makes it hard for a Brahmin to reach at top-tier jobs. So, I wasn't racist, I just stated a few facts!

Quibitos (talk) 18:54, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

You are stereotyping just as much as the people who are anti-Brahmin. You can't make sweeping generalisations such as those you have made above. And we do not accept the validity of genetic studies in caste-related articles, sorry. It probably would be better if you did not edit Brahmin articles at all because you quite clearly have a conflict of interest that would make it unlikely you could edit them neutrally. - Sitush (talk) 19:29, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Well I didn't stereotype, I just wanted to draw your attention that the racist remark of yours in your edit comment seemed to suggest (didn't say you were implying) that the word "Indo-aryan" kind of evoked xenophobia, if nothing else, something in-line with the people who are anti-Brahmins without proper rationale. I didn't say you're one of them but yes, you didn't even read through the source and struck out first time stating that it wasn’t mentioned. The racist remark wasn't right, as the term was cited based on the source, and that's all I have pointed out, and there's nothing wrong in doing so.
And in the above, I just shared a few pointers for you to assess the fact that grouping Brahmins as Indo-aryans isn’t racism, as they're numerous instances in the evolution of Hindu culture to suggest that many outside the community (that includes other Indo-aryans, Dravidians etc..) have contributed at various stages to the Hindu cultural growth, thereby challenging the very notion of Brahmin exclusivity. That's all! Genetics studies are not valid is fine (although I will need to check this with a wider audience), I have already accepted that reasoning, so there's nothing more left for you to reiterate the same point again. But the fact remains that the genetic studies are scientific (and we are not the ones doing it), so it is reasonable enough literature to support a statement indicating variations.
And by the way, please don't get territorial. While your continued patronage is appreciated, Wikipedia isn't yours to claim any proprietary rights or to suggest whether or not I or anyone should edit any articles, let Brahmin articles alone. The article has been created as there's enough literature available on this community deserving its elucidation in its current form. I would appreciate if you refrain from insinuating that I have got any conflict of interest. I have been here for more than 7 years, and during this time, my edits have span across various Assam related topics, and not Brahmin / Hinduism alone. I have not edited any Brahmin articles so far, except for the one in question. And I don't have any inferiority complex that would make me feel incapable of editing articles neutrally. I have been editing for many years, and will continue to make edits genuinely paying more attention to detail to the sources, unlike a few editors who seem to miss out on points by an oversight.
If I have time, I will try and raise your feedback with a few other Admins to review your commentary including my contribution to the article, as I am pretty sure that nothing have I mentioned so far suggesting any "conflict of interest".
Quibitos (talk) 22:20, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Still doing what?[edit]

It's his official title His Holiness 954482ab (talk) 13:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

@954482ab: I know. And you have been pointed to WP:HON and WP:NCIN. As other people have told you, you are just confusing matters. - Sitush (talk) 14:15, 21 September 2017 (UTC)