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So, naturalists observe, a flea
Hath smaller fleas that on him prey;
And these have smaller still to bit 'em;
And so proceed ad infinitum.
Thus every poet, in his kind,
Is bit by him that comes behind.
Jonathan Swift, On Poetry: A Rhapsody (1733)
No, not these small bones, it's a family name


Thank you[edit]

I've seen how much you hate paid editors, and continuously making an effort to stop them, I really grateful to have you here on English Wikipedia :D .--AldNonUcallin?☎ 15:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

@Aldnonymous: Thanks for noticing! It's always good to get positive feedback. I will correct you, however, I don't hate paid editors, rather it is paid editing that is hateful. It is tearing down a wonderful structure that has been built up by many volunteers, that provides good information to whoever has access to the internet. If that information is poisoned, and people can't trust us, then the whole structure may collapse.
Your post reminded me of a news story from a couple of decades ago. After the fall of the Soviet Union people started cutting down and selling copper cable from high power electrical transmission systems (nominally still in use). I don't hate those folks who cut down the cable - they were doing what they had to do to survive. I did hate the fact that the transmission systems were being destroyed. It just seemed like there must be a pretty simple enforcement system that would stop the destruction. Everybody likely knew who was buying the cable - these folks could be stopped fairly simply if anybody took the obvious steps. Similarly, most people likely knew who was cutting the cable or where to look to stop folks from cutting more. So the system was messed up, but the parts of the system that led to the destruction of the cable could easily be fixed. The actual folks who cut the cable, in my mind, were less responsible than the authorities who couldn't be bothered to take a few minimal steps. That's my reading in any case.
Thanks again.
Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:32, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
That was insightful, I'm the one who should thanking you (again :D), and... You're welcome.--AldNonUcallin?☎ 19:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Editor of the Week[edit]

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Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week, for integrity and valiance in the fight against paid editing. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Coretheapple submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

I nominate Smallbones as Editor of the Week for the integrity that he brings to the project, and for his yeoman work - unsung, unrecognized, unappreciated - fighting to preserve Wikipedia from encroachments by paid editors. He has been an editor for more than eight and a half years, and during that time has edited a staggering 11,337 articles at last count. He is not an administrator, heaven only knows why (too much sense?), but a content contributor par excellence, with in excess of 31,000 edits, 65% of them in article space. He is a generalist's generalist, with his top contributions ranging from Bernard Madoff to Media, Pennsylvania. But his prodigious talents as a contributor are not the only assets he brings to the project. No one has fought longer and more valiantly against paid editing. It is a great pleasure to nominate Smallbones for Editor of the Week.

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Thanks again for your efforts! Go Phightins! 16:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your continuing concern over the issue and your calm, level-headed approach. ```Buster Seven Talk 18:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Wow! It's always great to get feedback like this. Thanks Coretheapple and Buster7 Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:49, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey Smallbones, just wanted to express my thanks as well for both for your contributions and your engagement with others on broader ideas with Wikipedia that I've seen on Jimbo's talk page and other spots. I often find it difficult to jump into those conversations myself, but I do read them, and I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I, JethroBT drop me a line 02:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Very pleased to propose this. Your contributions are tremendously appreciated. Coretheapple (talk) 19:55, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Louis Kahn's Fred E. and Elaine Cox Clever House is for sale[edit]

Are you still interested in taking photos of Louis Kahn architecture? I see that his Fred E. and Elaine Cox Clever House in Cherry Hill, NJ is for sale. Here is the Zillow page: Hopefully you would be able to gain access to the house for photos. Good luck! Bilpen (talk) 15:36, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

That shopping/lifestyle center[edit]

Does it even meet notability criteria? I just tagged. All I can find are articles in local papers. I don't believe we have articles on pizzarias, donut shops and shopping malls of strictly local interest. Coretheapple (talk) 21:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Amendment request archived[edit]

Hi Smallbones, an arbitration amendment request you were listed as a party to has been archived to the Wifione case talk page. A motion was proposed but did not gain enough support among arbitrators. For the Arbitration Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 01:19, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Angry Orchard[edit]

You PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider AfD, though I would think "40% of the United States hard cider market, rising to 50% by 2014" is a reasonable claim of notability. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Your MkuCr proposal[edit]

I don't agree with your proposal but I am not going to oppose it, partly to see what other people think but mostly because I wonder if establishing a consensus on a change is more important than the change itself at this point. AmateurEditor (talk) 04:14, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Margo Humphrey[edit]

Thanks for improving the weekend on the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

images of historic sites
Thank you, veteran editor, for quality articles such as Chambersburg, Pennsylvania and Margo Humphrey, for images, maps and stats of NRHP sotes, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (27 September 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Edit help please[edit]

A user has just recently gone around deleting the standard See also section from most of the Pennsylvania lists on specious grounds, but as he's been stalking me for over a year and has declared a long-term grudge against me, so your revisions might actually have a chance at staying. Nyttend backup (talk) 13:12, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Every-municipality photos[edit]

Thanks for the notice; I commented quickly after the end of what you'd said. I've emailed you, although it's not a time-sensitive thing. Nyttend (talk) 02:48, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

PA photos[edit]

Yes, I'll get back out there this weekend. Generic1139 (talk) 14:11, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

fantastic! Smallbones(smalltalk) 14:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)


At first I wondered why you'd use the horse sign in the township article, because it's not particularly representative, but now that I see that it has a farm and municipal building picture, I agree with it. It adds some local color and is mildly humorous. As far as the sign, I have just one idea: radioactive elements like technetium, rutherfordium, and dubnium are transition metals, and this church is apparently in the transition Metal Township between the mountains and the southeast...yes, yes, it's lame, but I can't think of any real explanation. Nyttend (talk) 21:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Possible hint 1 [1] radioactivity in granite tombstones in New Jersey. (But why would anybody care?) Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:43, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Nuclear powered pacemakers?? [2] Perhaps if they were platinum covered or diamond studded! Smallbones(smalltalk)

Your thoughts?[edit]

Timeline of Philadelphia has a discussion about selection and inclusion criteria. Two editors are discussing it, but we have divergent views. More opinions would be helpful. - SummerPhDv2.0 13:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Help Please[edit]

Hello, Smallbones. Please check your email – you've got mail!
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Vordrak (talk) 12:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not interested in gamergaters, witchfinders, etc. Smallbones(smalltalk) 13:36, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Cold Spring Township[edit]

That is rather funny; I'm particularly amused by the lack of local government because folks just stopped running. Nyttend (talk) 22:59, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

A little overly optimistic?[edit]

Jimbo on COI editing petrarchan47คุ 20:58, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


Hi Smallbones. I noticed your comments at Jimbotalk and was a little confused - I've racked my brains over recent cases but I can't think of a case where ArbCom have overruled the TOU on undisclosed paid editing (I rather hope we haven't, since I issue blocks for precisely that reason on a fairly regular basis). Please could you point me in the right direction? It may be that our interpretation of an ArbCom decison is different, in which case some clarification may be needed. Much obliged, Yunshui  11:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Wifione#Paid_editing which says in part:

"6) The Committee has no mandate to sanction editors for paid editing as it is not prohibited by site policies. The arbitration policy prevents the Committee from creating new policy by fiat."

which just seems silly to me. Having a policy on "undisclosed paid editing" (and it is definitely a policy, see WP:TOU) is definitely a (limited) policy on paid editing, but apparently ArbCom disagrees. Note that any policy we have on anything is "limited" in some way, if only by WP:IAR. I asked ArbCom to reconsider (see here) this dictum (it had no bearing on the case since Wifione did his undisclosed paid editing before the change in the TOU).
The vote was 4 to 6 against removing the principle with the reasoning of the six being IMHO all over the place, ranging from (my reading) "this policy has to be reconfirmed by the community before it becomes policy" to "we could never enforce this policy, so just ignore it." Given the 4-6 split and the IMHO illogical reasoning of the six, I don't think that ArbCom will ever try to say this again, but they did say it once. Smallbones(smalltalk) 14:52, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Ah yes, Wifione - I wasn't active on that case, which is probably why it slipped my mind. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. For what it's worth, I'll do my level best in any future cases to ensure that we don't say that again... Yunshui  15:04, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Consider cross-posting?[edit]

Would you consider cross-posting your remarks at GGTF ? That's supposed to be what it's for :) --Djembayz (talk) 12:57, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Excellent idea. I'll do it right away. Smallbones(smalltalk) 13:08, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Dog breed[edit]

I stumbled upon the page on Mongrels, and saw the picture of (what I can understand) your own dog. [3] It did peak my interest since it lacked any information on what type of mix it is; google seems rather futile in this particular case since plenty of time has gained naught. I do have to apologize in advance if making this edit in your talk page is not the way I was supposed to do it: new user. But, I just have to know since she(?) is an absolutely magnificent dog.

MagnificentScarab (talk) 18:43, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Recant your accusation of Paid editing immediately[edit]

You recently made an accusation of Paid editing on my Talk page, disguised as a polite question. ('May I ask if you are a car thief?' is an example of a polite question with obvious accusatory intent.) Not only does this exhibit a lack of good faith but constitutes a personal attack on me specifically, both of which are contrary to Wikipedia standards of civil behavior.

When I first saw your message on my talk page, I was so unprepared for its intent, that I completely mistook your meaning, and assumed you were making me an offer to do paid editing for you, and took you to task about it as a violation of WP guidelines. However, upon further examination of your recent contributions I learned the truth. You had made a minor edit at Vemma at 06:31 2 Oct 2015. Within the hour, you had made very similar entries (7:07 and 7:31) on the talk pages of two users who had previous edits there, namely, Mathglot (last Vemma edit: 2013), and Amsterdad, in both cases asking "politely"—to be sure—whether we engaged in paid editing. Had it been only a single entry on my Talk page, I could perhaps have imagined some kind of screw-up or mistake on your part, but given that you separately edited two User Talk pages and made similar accusations, I cannot see that it could have been a simple error on your part.

There can be no reason whatever for you to have made an accusation, or even to have posed a question to me however politely on this topic. You and I have never interacted before, to my knowledge. As you are an editor with autopatrolled status, ten years seniority and over 35,000 edits, you must know WP policies and guidelines far better than I do. I am utterly unable to account for your rash behavior.

I condemn your harassment and personal attack on my reputation as a Wikipedia editor in the strongest possible terms. I demand you recant and formally apologize to me on my Talk page immediately with a very clear statement of error on your part, or else be prepared to back up your accusation of Paid editing.

I cannot speak for @Amsterdad:, but I call their attention to this comment.

Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 01:34, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Mathglot, for replying to this much more eloquently than I did. I see now there is no response. Amsterdad (talk) 15:11, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Radnor Township, Delaware County[edit]

Welsh Congregational Church
Methodist church (former)

Thought you might be amused to see a few images that I've just uploaded from a couple of weeks ago, when I went through Radnor Township in Delaware County, including the two to the right. Nyttend (talk) 13:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Second request to recant[edit]

This is a second request for you to recant and apologize.

Were I the subject of a WP biography, your barely-veiled implication about paid editing in the form of a polite question would have been rapidly reverted due to the policies covering biographies of living persons, in particular, contentious material that is unsourced or poorly sourced, as you offered no source or evidence whatever. I realize this policy doesn't cover editors, but I am nevertheless a living person, and I strenuously object.

Let's not make a big deal out of this—errare humanum est—just admit your mistake and apologize on my Talk page, and we can move on, no hard feelings. Just to be clear what you're apologizing for: I have no hurt feelings; my reputation as an editor has been damaged by an entry on my talk page implying that I may be a paid editor. You made that entry, so you are responsible for the (ongoing) damage. That's what you're recanting and apologizing for.

Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 00:29, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Nice pics. Coincidence? You know what they say, If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. That sounds like a good plan to me. :-) Mathglot (talk) 00:42, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


I am working on Derry, PA page and would like to add a picture of the Crest in the side bar to the main body title CREST. So far I have had no luck. Do you have any pointers for me? I am new to Wiki, LOL!

Rocketfoot (talk) 16:53, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

after WikiConference USA 2015[edit]

Thanks for commenting at the conference on harassment issues. I am interested to follow up and research as we discussed. I'm not an expert on how Wikipedia runs or should run, but I'll be happy to learn in small bites. -- econterms (talk) 23:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll be checking with several other editors over the next few days. Making progress. Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:38, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Ryan Memorial Library, St. Charles Borromeo Seminary, Wynnewood, PAJDisston (talk) 00:06, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

WRT Work List[edit] Monsi516 (talk) 00:12, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Photo request[edit]

It would be great to put a photo of the Parkway House, Philadelphia, on the page for Elizabeth Hirsh Fleisher (See the 2nd ref). Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

It may take me a few weeks. Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
I'll be happy to get a snapshot of it today, if you'll accept the Wikimedia Commons work of a user who has been banned from English Wikipedia under questionable rationale. - Mister 2001:558:1400:10:B15A:74E8:F4BB:162B (talk) 12:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
The usual banned editor - I don't accept anything you do on Wikipedia. You've been told several times to keep off this page. Stay off. Smallbones(smalltalk) 13:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Did you know Mary Mark is a paid editor? - Mister 2001:558:1400:10:6456:1A00:C438:D070 (talk) 17:51, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Stay off of my user talk page. Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:11, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I know nobody likes banned users...[edit]

...but please take caution when editing in affect after a banned editor, like you did on MyWikiBiz.. After your attempt to revert the fix of that link, you chose to remove it. However, the reason you provided "the next ref covers it" wasn't entirely true, and your edit was reverted. Please review your edit from an outside-perspective and ask yourself "will this help the content of the encyclopedia, to do this edit" before editing. Thank you, and happy editing! (tJosve05a (c) 23:22, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Good advice here for you, Smallbrains. Wake up and try to be a Wikipedia editor, not a vengeance machine. - 2601:42:C100:9D83:7C54:6959:E79:ADC0 (talk) 10:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
The usual banned editor. Stay off this page Smallbones(smalltalk) 13:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
And you've been told numerous times to stop spreading lies about a particular banned user, yet you continue to do so. How about you stop first, and then your Talk page will remain pristine? - Mister 2001:558:1400:10:B15A:74E8:F4BB:162B (talk) 13:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Philadelphia pagemoves[edit]

I've fixed Walnut Street. I'm not going to touch Templetown/CBMoore until you've checked; of course I'll perform this kind of action when you're confident that it's needed, but when you're not yet sure, I don't want to take action only to discover that there was a comparatively simple mistake. Let me know that you've finished checking and that you're confident that this is the correct move, and I'll readily do it. Nyttend (talk) 02:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

False precision[edit]

I hate to advise such a longtime editor to refresh the knowledge of WP:SYNTH. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


Is it the otter way or the ottar way? It must be one way or the other! --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

? Rose oil (rose otto, attar of rose, attar of roses or rose essence) ? Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Information appears to stew out of me naturally, like the precious ottar of roses out of the otter.
Mark Twain: The Fate of Humor, page 97. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:52, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I was comparing to your User Page.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I've made the correction to "ottar", which is how the Gutenberg edition has it in Roughing It. I'd seen it several ways, including "attar" in another edition of "Roughing It", which completely blows the joke. The sentence must have driven copyeditors crazy. Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I can see how it must have driven copyeditors crazy. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Roosevelt Park pictures[edit]

Great pictures for Effie's Roosevelt Park.
Template:Did you know nominations/Effie Maud Aldrich Morrison
Using one for the hook and it looks real good.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:44, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Jimbo's talk[edit]

When last year did Jimbo tell me I was not to post on his talk page? As you should be aware, he often uses ambiguous language and doesn't ping people. For what should be obvious reasons, given my recent comment there, I don't watchlist his page. - Sitush (talk) 17:09, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

@Sitush: It was just before the 2014 Wikimania Conference. It may take me awhile, but if you'd like I can find the exact diff. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Please do. I probably won't be around much as I am not very well but I'll check back in a day or two. Until then, please let me comment stand. Jimbo can remove it if he wishes. - Sitush (talk) 17:27, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Looking at this, I'm uncertain if "Please go away then" was a request by Jimbo to not post at that page or just a suggestion to stay off the page if Sitush didn't want to see the drama in it. You should ask for clarification in case he meant the latter interpretation. (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Wikilawyering from an anon? Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:39, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Actually, the IP is pretty much on the same page as me. You're getting into dodgy territory, Smallbones, and it really should not be you who polices what I do for reasons that should be fairly obvious. Like I said, let Jimbo deal with it and stop being his lackey. Apologies for any typos - meds are well kicked in. - Sitush (talk) 00:22, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
And now I have seen your diff, subtly inserted to a place I have already told you I do not watch rather than on this page where I said I would return. You seem unable to parse the English language and you have also ignored subsequent events on my talk page and (understandably) an email. Now back off and reinstate what I said, please. - Sitush (talk) 00:31, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────, anyone not site banned should have their comments left alone or failing that an ANI. I personally would have reverted any removal not done by Jimbo if they were not site banned. Just my opinion but I strongly suggest not doing that again. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:51, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I think the ArbCom case last year settled that issue. Jimbo is basically allowed to run his talk page as he wishes, and that includes allowing others to remove trolls and disruptors. If he has any reservations about my actions, he can contact me as he wishes. Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:02, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Last year dealt with a banned user, not a member in good standing. I've readded the comment and will remind you this does not qualify as a 3rr exemption. Please take the issue to the appropriate noticeboard if you wish to contest but I note you've removed apprx 3 times thus far readding will put u over 3rr. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:28, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Read the case again. Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:14, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
What part? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:32, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, if looks like you are arguing just to argue. When that's the case I ask folks to stay off my talk page. Feel free to stop back here in a few months. Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:29, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Smallbones, please can you tell me what your role is on Jimbo's talk page? I think you may see yourself as something a little more than the rest of us do. I take issue to you constantly removing other people's comments and acting like you are some sort of appointed censor. You're not. CassiantoTalk 12:06, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
    Further to that, I have just seen Hell in a Bucket's link below. I trust that it won't be long before you are shooed away like the proverbial pest you are coming across as. CassiantoTalk 12:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Arb Case Amend Request[edit]

As per my previously stated intention please see [[4]]. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 02:22, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


Can you take a look at Palace Theatre (Marion, Ohio)? I originally went there to fix an issue with the NRHP infobox (based on the articles with infobox problems tracking category) then fixed some other issues. The article looked pretty good, so I started to look at it to clean it up for GA. In doing so I saw some overlaps with the text and the much referenced Hoffman book (and, d'oh, its pretty obvious now), it turns out the author of the article was the author of the book. I saw it had some COI issues, and maybe even a user name issue with the "Atmospheric theatre" user name and, and then, well, see my final comments on the talk page. Since I've put in some work on the article, and made some recommendations as to how to proceed with the original writer, I'm too close to it now to be objective as to how much cutting must be done. Can you give some advice on what to do next? Thanks. Generic1139 (talk) 04:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Regarding your recent edits to Jimbo's talk page[edit]

Barnstar of Reversion2.png The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
There are quite a few things about which we might disagree, but if Jimbo himself thanks you for helping keep his user talk page clean, as he did here, I think you have earned this. John Carter (talk) 16:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

5 Million: We celebrate your contribution[edit]

Wikipedia-logo-v2-en 5m articles.png
We couldn't have done it without you
Well, maybe. Eventually. But the encyclopedia would not be as good.

Celebrate 7&6=thirteen () 13:41, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

I got another message that indicated I created a problem. Sorry. I'm not having much luck fixing this. Sigh. 7&6=thirteen () 16:30, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

5 million message[edit]

Thank you for the 5 million article message. However, it looks like it needs something to close it, a } or something. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:19, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Banning policy amendment request[edit]

The amendment request to the banning-policy case has been archived at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning Policy#Amendment request: Banning Policy (November 2015). For the Arbitration Committee, Miniapolis 23:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

List of municipalities in Pennsylvania[edit]

Something has gone wrong with the List of municipalities in Pennsylvania, but I can't figure out what has happened. Please take a look.--DThomsen8 (talk) 01:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Re: Punishment[edit]

Neelix made some awful mistakes, he's been punished.

Many people, including myself, strongly disagree. There has been no punishments. Neelix is still free to edit Wikipedia, which is indicative of a lack of punishment. Removing his admin rights and ability to create redirects is not a punishment of any kind. Viriditas (talk) 02:16, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way. Please consider his standing in the community - he's been shamed - that his real name is well known, and that there have been multiple articles written about him in real newspapers saying what a great Wikipedian he is. This must be a terrible blow to him - of course we can say "it's all his fault". I don't think that dragging his name through more mud will do any good. I don't know him or have any stake in this, but I think we can leave it here. If he comes out defiant and starts attacking others for his problems, that would be another matter, but I don't think that's going to happen. Let me offer a quote that you likely will remember "In this world, hatred has never been defeated by hatred. Only love can overcome hatred. This is an ancient and eternal law." I just think that there has been enough done in this case. Sorry that we disagree. Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:37, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
From the above, I take it you don't understand love at all. To quote Billie Holiday:
You don't know what love is
Until you've learned the meaning of the blues
Until you've loved a love you've had to lose
You don't know what love is
Love is a many-splendored thing. Removing Neelix's right to edit Wikipedia is neither hatred nor anti-love. I don't know Neelix's real name, and I don't care to know it. All I know is the damage he has done to this site, a site I love enough to want to protect. I'm sorry you disagree. Neelix has no right to edit here, and for the community to allow it tells me that the bias towards admins and editors with advanced permissions is so bad that the only way to solve it is to work tirelessly against it until all editors are treated with fairness and impartiality. Any non-admin in Neelix's place would not be allowed to edit. Viriditas (talk) 03:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Arbcom election[edit]

It's been pointed out to me by one very senior editor, admin, sittng Arb, and very close friend in RL, that my answers to your questions may have been too short. I have therefore greatly expanded my answer to your first question and I expect the courstsy that you will read it. The second question however still leaves me deeply offended. One of the problems on Wikipedia for which I have been spearheading a campaign for years to get abolished, is the notion that elections are a free for all for people to make personal attacks with impunity. One of the days, comments like yours will not only cause me to withdraw from an election, but also to retire from Wikipedia completely. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:20, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Your voter guide[edit]

Hello. I prefer transclude your voter guide (and the others) into a single page (to facilitate reading and comparisons).

  1. You have not included your guide in the [[Category:Wikipedia Arbitration Committee Elections 2015 voter guides]]. I have no opinion about that. But, if you change your mind, I would prefer that you protect this category by a pair of <noinclude>...</noinclude>
  2. You are using second level sections, i.e. ==xxx==, in your guide. After transclusion, the TOC looks bad. If you were using third level sections, i.e. ===xxx===, the TOC would look better. In the Main space, I would have done that by myself. In your Userspace, I think it is polite to ask your permission. Pldx1 (talk) 18:36, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
I think I've met your requests. Please just change it and let me know if I haven't. My only question is whether people will be able to read one big long voters guide, and, potentially, "why isn't mine on top?" Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:49, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, everything is OK. About "why isn't mine on top?"... Great remark. My intent is not to publish such a 'one big long guide', but to describe how to build one, as in User:Pldx1/ACE2015. The burden of ordering being on the shoulders of the final user. Best regards. Pldx1 (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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Nicola D'Ascenzo[edit]

I'd love it if you took some photos. Washington Memorial Chapel is close to both of us, and I'm eager to see the Aviation Windows in Lakehurst NJ. Not a resident of Rose Valley, he lived in Germantown. We can talk on Sunday. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:28, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


.. on being literally the first person to vote. You have damn fast fingers. Kevin Gorman (talk) 18:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@Kevin Gorman: and congratulations back for you voting 3 times! (Yes, I know about resubmitting the entire ballot - and even intend to try it just so that I know that it works! Maybe I'll also try to be the last person to vote - but that would take lots of luck!) Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Haha, I actually have no idea how that happened. I only hit submit once! Maybe the GGTF mafia which I'm apparently at least a commissioner for has used our leet haxxing ability to have voters vote five or six times each. Kevin Gorman (talk)

A brownie for you![edit]

Brownie transparent.png For your germane and important questions posed to the arbcom candidates. I found them useful in considering who to vote for. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
thanks very much for the voting guide. about the strategy C: "Do you really want Wikipedia to collapse?" this is an argument in favor of bad leadership, rather than no leadership. as we know from Jo Freeman, in the "no leaders" organization, it is really leadership in the shadows among a clique. so it will never collapse, merely melt down into a wikinews. it would only revive when good leadership emerges again. we see good leadership off wiki already, so a throw the bums out is not nihilistic, merely tactical as to where to organize. Duckduckstop (talk) 02:19, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

A bit of a funny[edit]

Photo of McCall School in Society Hill[edit]

Do you know if someone's photographed the General George McCall School in Society Hill, Philadelphia? WhisperToMe (talk) 14:22, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

File:General George A. McCall School 325 s 7th, Philly.JPG - not all that good, but I took it on Halloween 2014 Smallbones(smalltalk) 14:29, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you so much! If you have alternate pics please upload them too. I'm interested in McCall because the people in Chinatown send/sent their kids there. On zh:费城教育局 (Chinese article for School District of Philadelphia) I want to use pictures of schools used by the Chinese community of the city (the home and school association of McCall had Chinese on its page: ). WhisperToMe (talk) 14:44, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
If taking a better photo is the best course of action that would be good too. Additional photos of South Philly High and Bartram would also be good! Anyway I've got some additional Philly requests at Commons:Commons:Picture_requests/Requests/United_States#Philadelphia_area.2FGran_Filadelfia so if you are interested in taking any of these please do so :) WhisperToMe (talk) 16:17, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for finding and uploading the pic! I would still like for someone to photograph the Graterford sign at the intersection but other pictures will help a lot! WhisperToMe (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I found a document from the Pennsylvania state government that proves that Federal Street School is Andre Jackson School, so I renamed and expanded Andrew Jackson School (Philadelphia). One thing I am doing is focusing on the whole school and not only the building. Of course the architecture gives the notability and there should be info on that, but also having stuff on the catchment area, the school's history and culture, the student body, etc. is important too. Hopefully such articles encourage students to become Wikipedians themselves once they reach high school age! WhisperToMe (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

BTW do you know if there is a photo of the Charles Santore Branch (formerly Southwark Branch) in Queen Village? WhisperToMe (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much! They are some beautiful pictures!

If you can get the Santore branch that would be really awesome :) WhisperToMe (talk) 04:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Please stop[edit]

Not sure who you think I am, but your reverts of my comments are not appropriate, nor appreciated. I have a right to deny false claims leveled against me. - Checking the checkers (talk) 14:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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You've been told to stay off my talk page multiple times. Smallbones(smalltalk) 14:55, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Just curious, when did you tell Checking the checkers to stay off your Talk page? We here in Chicago couldn't find it. - (talk) 13:27, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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No, I won't drop it, not just yet. Some people seem to think that RfA and election time are an opportunity to break every rule of decency in the book, and the community is happy to sit back and let it go with impunity; then you all complain that we don't get enough candidates for special office. Making leading questions to blatantly accuse candidates of misogyny is beyond the pale. In general, this community empathises with women's issues, and I do too, but it has no need to tolerate gratuitous behaviour from supporters of feminine issues and the use of Wikipedia and its elections as a platform for aggressive or any other kind of socio-political platforming - this has already been demonstrated by Arbcom cases. You might wish to take another look at my syntax and the questions I was asked. One user clearly asked me to identify myself as either 1) a crank, 2) a villainous bully, and 3) a pederast. I'm not a vindictive person so if you have finally unserstood, I will happily drop the stick. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:16, 12 December 2015 (UTC).

Binary options, what happened.[edit]

You asked what happened with binary option regulation. See Talk:Binary_option#UK_regulation_changing, where I just wrote up an explanation with links to reliable source. There was a big loophole in binary option regulation. The EU allows a financial service to be offered cross-border within the EU. Cyprus allows binary options brokers of the bucket shop type (where the counterparty is the broker), such as Banc de Binary, which most financial regulators do not. The UK regulates binary options as gambling. This allowed Banc de Binary to sell binary options in the UK without being regulated by either the UK's Financial Conduct Authority or the UK's Gambling Commission.

To close this loophole, the FCA, the EU financial regulators, and the UK gambling authorities all had to get together and change the rules to make binary options a financial product. That was a big deal, but it's happening. See page 39 of [5] for the official UK government position. Once this is effective, binary options brokers will come under the regulation of the FCA when selling to UK residents. This provides much stronger consumer protection for UK buyers. (In the US, the CFTC and the SEC shut down Banc de Binary's operations. The FCA may do the same.)

This has not yet taken effect. The final rules are supposed to be published on 3 January 2016, to take effect on 3 January 2017. The binary options article probably should be updated early in 2016, when the new rules are out. John Nagle (talk) 20:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho[edit]

Thanks for all you have done this year :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:53, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!![edit]

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  • Look sweet...
  • Eat everything...
  • Seek the warmest spots to nap and purr...
  • Try to wait until after to demolish the paper and ornaments...

-- Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's greetings[edit]

Hi Smallbones, wishing you and your family all the best for Christmas and New Year. Thank you for everything you've done on Wikipedia in 2015, particularly for your support of women. All the best, SarahSV (talk) 23:35, 24 December 2015 (UTC)


Hi. Is there some place where Jimbo indicated that Writegeist is not welcome on his talkpage? Jimbo's page has very large traffic so I might have missed it. Kingsindian   23:53, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Jimbo does not need to specifically say that editors are not welcomed on his page, he leaves the moderation of his page up to others. This has been upheld twice at arbcom. I warned Writegeist and he persisted in his trolling. That's all there is. If you disagree ask Jimbo or ask arbcom. Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:59, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Could you provide a link to support the statement here that either Jimmy Wales has specifically requested you moderate his talk page, or specifically requested that user not post to his page? I'm not familiar with the specifics so my apologies if this is a well known thing. Prodego talk 00:27, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
See [6], specifically [7]. Smallbones(smalltalk) 00:40, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I will ask Jimbo directly. Could you simply leave the last comment by Writegeist until Jimbo clarifies this matter himself? This is up to you of course. Kingsindian   00:53, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
We can leave Writegeist's comments *off* the page. I don't believe that there is any chance that Jimbo will say that he is welcome to comment on the page. Smallbones(smalltalk) 00:56, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I was unaware of that case. The way I interpret both that comment and the arbcom case is that Jimmy approves of the removal of comments from his user talk page and the removal of disruptive and unproductive discussion from his talk page. This fits with what I would consider the long term practice for his page.

I do not interpret it as giving you any specific authority to determine if comments should be removed from his talk page. In that light, I think you should tone down your edit summaries, because "Writegeist| not welcomed on this page, take it to arbcom if you disagree" and "Writegeist not welcome on this page" give the impression that these are specific instructions from Jimmy. This comment strongly suggests that you have special arbcom endorsed authority on the page. In that case, removing the material comes with all the weight of a user removing material from their own talk page. It does not give the impression that you are removing disruptive material per the user's request, in which case a consensus that the material is not disruptive could legitimately lead to restoring it. Obviously no such consensus exists here, so I see no need to restore this comment without such a discussion.

I don't want to wade through the whole thing to see if I agree about removing the material. I'm sure you have good judgement based on the arbcom case, and I'm not sure how any more productive discussion can be had on that topic. I just saw the edit summary and was somewhat concerned about the meaning.

I may be incorrect, and Jimbo Wales did intend to delegate his ability to arbitrarily remove any comments from his talk page to you specifically. That is to say, the authority to remove comments regardless of the consensus of other editors that material is disruptive. If that is the case then I think he should post a notice saying that specifically, or at least clarify here. Does this seem reasonable? Prodego talk 01:13, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

It is definitely *not* the case that Jimbo needs to specifically approve each deletion or specifically mention each editor who may be removed from the page. In other words, he let's others moderate the page. He did, in this case, make his opinion known enough on the page that I am confident that my judgement about Writegeist's comments will not be overturned by Jimbo. But that is a matter for Jimbo only, no discussion is needed. I also warned Writegeist, and I don't see any reason to back off from that warning. I have no special position on Jimbo's talk page. I've previously removed 2 sets of comments from his page, and both times I was dragged before arbcom, and both times they said that Jimbo has the right to determine his own rules for the page. As a side issue Jimbo said that he agreed with the quality of my moderation. I'll continue to moderate whenever I see something that is beyond the pale. Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:35, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree with everything you've said. My only comment is that your edit summaries and warnings strongly give the impression that you do have a special position on Jimbo's talk page, and you should try to avoid giving that impression in the future. No objections to anything you've done, except the wording. Prodego talk 01:42, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Please review Wikipedia's "No Personal Attack" policy[edit]

Otherwise known as WP:NPA. I've noticed you breaching this policy quite a few times lately - as in "troll," "trolls," "smears," "gang-trolling,", "harassment and trolling," "amounts to harassment", and He has been trolling here, and if anybody takes responsibility for putting his comments back on the page, they are trolling also and will not be welcomed here. Per Wikipedia policy, you may be blocked if you persist with your personal attacks. Instead, why don't you calm down and have a nice cup of tea? Dan Murphy (talk) 17:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Stop your trolling and stay off my user page. Feel free to take this to ArbCom if you disagree with me. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
And it continues! A WP:NPA on me up above and at another user just now ("stop the trolling." Please desist from this disruption.Dan Murphy (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Stay off my talk page. That should be clear enough. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:46, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

George Soros[edit]

[8] where on the talkpage? (talk) 04:57, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Lady Lilith[edit]

Hello, very nice to meet a new acquaintance on Wiki. No, I don't believe I've seen that painting before, but it IS beautiful. I do enjoy the story of the first Lilith, and many stories from religions and mythos. My name actually comes from this Lilith - I loved the character - combined with my enthusiasm for things English. The way the gents say "ooh, LOVELY!" over various things makes me giggle, so I added that. The double L is due to the popularity of the name online - I had to make it a bit different from the average user. So, there is the unexciting story of my name, but it is kind of you to introduce yourself. I edit when and where I can, as Real Life allows, and it appears we have some similar interests (although the extent of my Russian is limited to a semester's worth), so I expect our paths will cross in the future. LovelyLillith (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Help with article[edit] looks like it was written by someone concerned with the company. I'm so unaccustomed to en:wiki these days I'm not sure how to tag stuff like this when I find it. Any help would be most graciously appreciated. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Ellin Beltz: See Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#RDX_Inc Do you want to start the RfD? Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:19, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
@Ellin Beltz: - speedily deleted, though there are a couple of redirects (see WP:COIN) that probably should be deleted as well. Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:26, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help! Did they get all the redirects? Everywhere I looked were pink boxes. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:11, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
@Ellin Beltz: looks like they got em all, plus a few more. Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:02, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA[edit]

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Thank you for participating in and supporting my RfA. It was very much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA[edit]

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Thank you for participating at my RfA. Your support was very much appreciated even if I did get a bit scorched. Brianhe (talk) 02:59, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your support[edit]

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Thank you for participating and supporting at my RfA. It was very much appreciated, and I am humbled that the community saw fit to trust me with the tools. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:46, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Jimbo's talk page, and your post on mine[edit]

I decided, on reflection, that, whilst it is unhelpful, disappointing and non-transparent, Jimmy has as much right to remove posts from his own page as we all do.

Please don't misconstrue that as agreement with the sanctimonious claptrap you posted on my page.

As for my somehow becoming "unwelcome" at that page, well, I hardly ever post or do anything controversial there, unlike some, so I disagree about the odds on that.

I consider this discussion concluded - I suggest you do the same. Thanks. Begoontalk 17:40, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Paxton Boys[edit]

Greetings, Smallbones, could this have been an error? Cheers, Caballero/Historiador 19:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for catching this. Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:04, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Feb 16: Art+Feminism Training / Photo-Poetics @ Guggenheim
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This month, we will also host a Newcomer's Wiki Workshop for those getting started on the encyclopedia project!

We will also include a look at our annual plan and budget ideas, and welcome input from community members on the sorts of projects the chapter should support through both volunteer and budgetary efforts.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

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We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! (One talk this month will be on use of Wikipedia press passes for photographers.) Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 00:28, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

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