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So, naturalists observe, a flea
Hath smaller fleas that on him prey;
And these have smaller still to bit 'em;
And so proceed ad infinitum.
Thus every poet, in his kind,
Is bit by him that comes behind.
Jonathan Swift, On Poetry: A Rhapsody (1733)
No, not these small bones, it's a family name


Thank you[edit]

I've seen how much you hate paid editors, and continuously making an effort to stop them, I really grateful to have you here on English Wikipedia :D .--AldNonUcallin?☎ 15:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

@Aldnonymous: Thanks for noticing! It's always good to get positive feedback. I will correct you, however, I don't hate paid editors, rather it is paid editing that is hateful. It is tearing down a wonderful structure that has been built up by many volunteers, that provides good information to whoever has access to the internet. If that information is poisoned, and people can't trust us, then the whole structure may collapse.
Your post reminded me of a news story from a couple of decades ago. After the fall of the Soviet Union people started cutting down and selling copper cable from high power electrical transmission systems (nominally still in use). I don't hate those folks who cut down the cable - they were doing what they had to do to survive. I did hate the fact that the transmission systems were being destroyed. It just seemed like there must be a pretty simple enforcement system that would stop the destruction. Everybody likely knew who was buying the cable - these folks could be stopped fairly simply if anybody took the obvious steps. Similarly, most people likely knew who was cutting the cable or where to look to stop folks from cutting more. So the system was messed up, but the parts of the system that led to the destruction of the cable could easily be fixed. The actual folks who cut the cable, in my mind, were less responsible than the authorities who couldn't be bothered to take a few minimal steps. That's my reading in any case.
Thanks again.
Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:32, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
That was insightful, I'm the one who should thanking you (again :D), and... You're welcome.--AldNonUcallin?☎ 19:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Editor of the Week[edit]

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Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week, for integrity and valiance in the fight against paid editing. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Coretheapple submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

I nominate Smallbones as Editor of the Week for the integrity that he brings to the project, and for his yeoman work - unsung, unrecognized, unappreciated - fighting to preserve Wikipedia from encroachments by paid editors. He has been an editor for more than eight and a half years, and during that time has edited a staggering 11,337 articles at last count. He is not an administrator, heaven only knows why (too much sense?), but a content contributor par excellence, with in excess of 31,000 edits, 65% of them in article space. He is a generalist's generalist, with his top contributions ranging from Bernard Madoff to Media, Pennsylvania. But his prodigious talents as a contributor are not the only assets he brings to the project. No one has fought longer and more valiantly against paid editing. It is a great pleasure to nominate Smallbones for Editor of the Week.

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Thanks again for your efforts! Go Phightins! 16:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your continuing concern over the issue and your calm, level-headed approach. ```Buster Seven Talk 18:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Wow! It's always great to get feedback like this. Thanks Coretheapple and Buster7 Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:49, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey Smallbones, just wanted to express my thanks as well for both for your contributions and your engagement with others on broader ideas with Wikipedia that I've seen on Jimbo's talk page and other spots. I often find it difficult to jump into those conversations myself, but I do read them, and I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I, JethroBT drop me a line 02:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Very pleased to propose this. Your contributions are tremendously appreciated. Coretheapple (talk) 19:55, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Photo requests in Hazleton[edit]

Do you have any plans to go to back to Hazleton anytime soon? If so, may I suggest some photo request ideas? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: I've got a ton of other things to do in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, but Hazelton looks pretty well covered. Look in Commons, esp. in the Postcards category. I might make it up there by late September. Leave me a list if you'd like. Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:22, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Ok! The list is related to the public school system, Hazleton Area School District
  • Hazle Township (five facilities are together)
    • HASD administrative headquarters: 1515 West 23rd Street, Hazle Township, PA 18202
    • Hazleton Area Career Center: 1451 W 23rd St, Hazle Township, PA 18202
    • Hazleton Area High School: 1601 W 23rd St, Hazle Township, PA 18202
    • Hazle Township Early Learning Center: 1400 West 23rd Street, Hazle Township, PA 18202
    • Maple Manor Elementary / Middle School: 1700 West 22nd Street, Hazle Township, PA 18202
  • Hazleton:
    • Hazleton Elementary / Middle School: 700 North Wyoming Street, Hazleton, PA 18201
    • Heights-Terrace Elementary / Middle School: 275 Mill Street, Hazleton, PA 18201
    • Arthur Street Elementary School: 424 East Ninth Street, Hazleton, PA 18201
  • Drums:
    • Drums Elementary/Middle School: 85 S. Old Turnpike Road, Drums, PA 18222
    • Hazleton Area Academy of Sciences: 40 Azalea Drive, Drums, PA 18222
  • Freeland: Freeland Elementary / Middle School: 400 Alvin Street, Freeland, PA 18224
  • McAdoo: McAdoo-Kelayres Elementary / Middle School: 15 Kelayres Road, McAdoo, PA 18237
  • Sugarloaf: Valley Elementary / Middle School, 79 Rock Glen Road, Sugarloaf, PA 18249
  • West Hazleton: West Hazleton Elementary / Middle School: 325 North St., West Hazleton, PA 18202
WhisperToMe (talk) 22:44, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Banc De Binary[edit]

Can you please tell me why you're insisting on retaining unverified claims on the page?--Tianderni (talk) 16:52, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Banc de Binary is prohibited from advertising in the US by the SEC. Please don't mess with it. Smallbones(smalltalk) 16:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes they are and it is on the article. But Banc de Binary is not banned in Canada, Australia, and New Zealand so why you are keeping this fact. Can you please give a reliable source? Then I will add it back myself. --Tianderni (talk) 17:00, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Photo request: Islamic school and Arab grocery in Philly[edit]

I found out about the en:Al-Aqsa Islamic Academy and Society (1501 N Germantown Avenue, Philadelphia, PA 19122) and the Al Amana Grocery and Islamic Bookstore. Are you interested in photographing them? WhisperToMe (talk) 14:18, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


You can add any page to the "Wayback Machine" via this link. Coretheapple (talk) 17:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


Apparently, Template:Reflist-talk needs to be applied to your reference on User talk:Jimbo Wales, but I am not sure how.
Wavelength (talk) 00:34, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Done (diff). Johnuniq (talk) 00:41, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Do you know how to do this?[edit]

I'm trying to revert Evergreen Cemetery (Adams County, Pennsylvania) back to its original name, Evergreen Cemetery (Gettysburg, Pennsylvania). (Technically, the original name was Evergreen Cemetery (Gettysburg, PA).) The directions say an administrator must do the move. Please take a look at the article and see if you agree. Thanks, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:57, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate your efforts. The article on Evergreen Cemetery and the one on its gatehouse seem to go to strange lengths to downplay their connections to Gettysburg. To me, Evergreen Cemetery (Gettysburg, Pennsylvania) is a FAR more useful name for the average user, even if the cemetery technically is outside the borough. I didn't find the Articles for Deletion discussion until after I left you the message.
I may be heading to Gettysburg next weekend. My nephew -- a sophomore at Penn -- wants to borrow a car to go to Gettysburg. If I tag along, I'll try to get photos of the last 20-or-so monuments that need images.
Ha, ha. Jokes/puns are always welcome. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:11, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

New to me[edit]

CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS and SAILORS MONUMENT, CONFEDERATE SECTION. VIEW TO NORTHWEST. - Philadelphia National Cemetery, Haines Street and Limekiln Pike, Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, PA HALS PA-2-11.tif

I had no idea Northwest Philadelphia had a Confederate Soldiers and Sailors Monument. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 04:02, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Revert on SpotOption[edit]

I fail to understand why you reverted my edit on SpotOption, and your post to WP:COIN doesn't explain anything with regards to my edit. I removed contentious material about a living person sourced to an unreliable source, in accordance with guidelines and policy. Please revert back to my version. If you have a reliable source that supports the content, please provide it instead. Thank you in advance. Waggie (talk) 19:08, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

ANI notice[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Gouyoku (talk) 02:10, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


I want the board to be held accountable by the community. That would mean to vote them out, among other things. QuackGuru (talk) 20:41, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Wikimedian in Residence at the Univesity of Pittsburgh[edit]

I have opportunity to be hired as a Wikimedian in Residence at the University of Pittsburgh in the near future. What kind of communication is needed from the University to make this appointment official? Best Regards,

Barbara (WVS)


I just read about your work combating the binary trolls.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:51, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes indeed. Good for you! I think a reference to this belongs in both the binary options and Banc de Binary articles. Brief, though, just a sentence. Coretheapple (talk) 14:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Congratulations. "Clearly a very dodgy company" sounds like another editor I know ... but not credited ... - Bri (talk) 19:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
@Bri: I'm not entirely sure where the interviewer got that, probably the talk page at Jimbo Wales which I mentioned to her as background material. I did notice a couple of times she quoted others uncredited. Maybe @Nagle: as well. 3 points:
  • I'm sure the Times of Israel knows the proper fair use standards in Israel.
  • If that was you being quoted - I think you got some extra mileage beyond want you expected when you wrote it.
  • Thanks, just thanks. If there is anything I can do to give proper credit, please just let me know.
Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:27, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
I thought at first it was a certain British admin, but it turned out not to be (you're right, Jimbo talk Archive 164). However, they did quote me elsewhere w/o credit: "...badly polluted by promotional editors..." As you say, "extra mileage" for my effort is okay in itself. - Bri (talk) 20:56, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
By the way if somebody reads this and is mystified we're discussing User talk:Jimbo Wales#Times of Israel on Wikipedia/binary options/paid editing. - Bri (talk) 00:57, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Ravenna (Natchez, Mississippi)[edit]

I have wondered the same thing. Why two listings?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:08, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Zigzig20s I briefly looked at the two nominations and the nom photos. I won't have a chance to do a thorough reading until Monday, but it looks to me like 2 buildings in a similar style (but 1 without a tower) at the same address, but with different coordinates! And similar names. Something has to give. If you are in the neighborhood, visiting in person would probably help. I'll try looking at Google street view now. BTW something very similar happened on the Sitka, Alaska list yesterday. Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
They are next door to each other with Ravennaside and its tower viewable on Google Street view. From the Ravennaside nom. "Ravennaside was built- , by Mrs. Byrnes' parents, Anna Metealfe Fleming..and James S. Fleming,

on land acquired by Anna's father in 1884 (Adams Co., Miss., Deed Book 22:9). The site adjoins the property of Ravenna (ca. 1837), home of the Metealfe family since 1857. Roane, eldest child of Anna and James, was twelve in 1902 when her family moved from Ravenna into their new house, Ravennaside. " Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:09, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


I hope you're well (and, like me, dreading the heat wave coming tomorrow). I'm just beginning this article, but I found it confusing dealing with all the Furnesseseses. Do you find it awkward, off-putting or disrespectful for me to use "HHF" for Horace? Thanks. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:29, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Archived from Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest[edit]

Hello. The milieus and proposals are individually closed, so the full closure could be done by other team volunteers. However, I see that you've archived the whole discussion into Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest/Archive 27. May you please explain why? Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh... I see you asked, which the proposer okay-ed the archiving. --George Ho (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

What do you think about this response from Meta-wiki? Would this persuade you into un-archiving it? --George Ho (talk) 12:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Before you archived, I put the "do not archive until" comment to prevent the bot archiving. Therefore, I would have awaited Primefac, S Marshall, and KrakatoaKatie's teamwork closure after doing separate closures. Do you believe that WMF would likely reject the consensus after all this? --George Ho (talk) 12:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Never mind the request for joint teamwork closure. Maybe another RfC in the future? ;) --George Ho (talk) 13:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I explained why key closures by us "non-admins" were done, and then pinged you and Casliber. You can explain there if you want. --George Ho (talk) 13:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Didn't seem like one person is still happy with the archiving. --George Ho (talk) 19:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks very much[edit]

Quite a thrill to see that POST-ed. Almost as if the SUN was shining. Ahahahahaha...ha...hahaha...ha.

(For what it's worth, I did mention WP:NRHP in the interview, but I guess it didn't make the cut. Oh, well.) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:37, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Parker Metal Decoration Company Plant[edit]

Hi. In 2012 you uploaded File:Baltimore Parker Metal.JPG and added it to Parker Metal Decoration Company Plant. A few days ago an IP added a paragraph to the article in this edit, claiming it's not the right building. I have no idea if he's right or not, but I temporarily removed the image until you have a chance to check it out. If it is the correct building, please feel free to put it back, or just let me know and I will. Station1 (talk) 01:50, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Station1, thanks, it looks like he was right. The real site is equally nondescript a block or so away stuck between 2 interstate ramps. Sorry about that. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:07, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


Please engage in discussion before you revert the edit again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gouyoku (talkcontribs) 20:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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Absolutely not. The introduction is supposed to be a broad summary of the article, and the banner at the top is eminently deserved: the article needs to be written from secondary sources, not primary sources like news reports. I don't remember discussing your professional background before (whether on-wiki, by email, or face-to-face), but I don't see how that's relevant to the issue of the page presenting a grossly newsy style rather than being an encyclopedia article with equal weight on all periods of the organisation's history. Nyttend (talk) 00:40, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

PS, I'm not going to bother editing the article again. I wasn't aware that this was the subject of conflict, and I've learnt not to wade into situations where people are insistent on writing a hit piece with primary sources. Nyttend (talk) 00:41, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Understood, but where are the secondary sources? Remember that you're writing history here, so following the historical definition of secondary sources is just as critical as following the medical definition of secondary sources when writing about medicine. Nyttend (talk) 00:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
PS, your You don't want to help these guys rip off more customers, do you is profoundly troubling: this is an encyclopedia, not a place to right great wrongs. Nyttend (talk) 00:55, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Please educate yourself on the definition of a primary source in history: it's one written at the time of an event, in the context of that event (or a later-compiled record such as an oral history that presents a participant's perspective), while a secondary source is written later based on primary sources. Can you find me Ph.D. dissertations in history, or JAH or AHR articles, that include news reports in their literature reviews, for example? Instead, you'll find plenty of Ph.D. dissertations in history and articles in those journals that rely on news reports as primary sources. The idea of a news report being a secondary source for the event in question is an idea that departs significantly from the prevailing views or mainstream views in its particular field, and it needs to be treated thus. Nyttend (talk) 02:02, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

ANI discussion[edit]

This ANI discussion may be of interest to you, as well as talk-page stalkers experienced with COI and paid editing issues. Res ipsa loquitur. Coretheapple (talk) 22:25, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

SpotOption sock[edit]

FYI, I have reopened Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tammy LevyBri (talk) 16:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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I just wanted to pile on with thanks for your dedication to COIN and combating paid editing. You won't see me on that page much because I spend hours on these issues in the background, but your work does not go unnoticed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:42, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Left you something...[edit]

...on your User page. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:17, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Arecibo Observatory[edit]

Hi Smallbones. I saw your note at User talk:Jimbo Wales. I managed to change the image by simply adding the parameters |image= and |caption= manually to the infobox [1]. These seem to override the Wikidata "pull". Feel free to change it for another one, but it should be easy now. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:35, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


Prompted by the recent COIN thread I started looking at some Bitcoin articles. What do you think of Xapo#Corporate Structure / Legal? Do we want to see intricate shell company relationships like this? ☆ Bri (talk) 21:14, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Editor on same article took me to Wirex Limited which they created as their first edit. We should probably be on the lookout patterns like this. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:12, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

And here's another iffy one: Digital Currency Group. Fits pattern of full article by new SPA. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:01, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Everything in this list of financial related articles should be examined very skeptically. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:25, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Your signature[edit]

Please be aware that your signature uses deprecated <font> tags, which are causing Obsolete HTML tags lint errors. Your signature is also causing Tidy bug affecting font tags wrapping links.

You are encouraged to change

[[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>(<font color="cc6600">[[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]</font>)</sub>Smallbones(smalltalk)


[[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</font>]])</sub>Smallbones(smalltalk)

Respectfully, Anomalocaris (talk) 21:14, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Didn't work. Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
What happened? Were you able to enter the proposed signature on your preference pages? Did it take the whole signature, or did it "max out" and not accept the whole thing? If it accepted the whole thing, how did you know it didn't work? —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:20, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
I went to the preference page, copied your "to" text and got the message in red "There are problems with some of your input." Smallbones(smalltalk) 00:25, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
I am sorry, I carelessly left one </font> that should have been </span>. Please change your signature to:
[[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub>Smallbones(smalltalk)
Anomalocaris (talk) 00:54, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, got it. Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:46, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2017 (UTC)


Hi Smallbones, I was reading this FTC document recently: "Native Advertising: A Guide for Businesses", Federal Trade Commission, December 2015.

In its discussion of native advertising, it seems to describe perfectly the problem we experience. Native advertising, according to the WP article, is "a type of advertising, mostly online, that matches the form and function of the platform upon which it appears".

The FTC says: "[A]n ad is deceptive if it promotes the benefits and attributes of goods and services, but is not readily identifiable to consumers as an ad. Thus, as the Policy Statement explains, the FTC will find an ad's format deceptive if the ad materially misleads consumers about its commercial nature, including through an express or implied misrepresentation that it comes from a party other than the sponsoring advertiser."

One I objected to not long ago was Whistle (company). This purports to be an article about a new company, a subsidiary of Mars Petcare. In fact, the article is an example of native advertising of the company's sole product, a pet tracker. Someone cleaned it up a bit recently, but earlier versions (e.g. [2]) focused even more on the product. When I last checked, the sources were articles by reporters who had been sent pet trackers by the company to test. So the company created the sources, then paid someone to create an article based on those sources—an article purportedly about a company but in fact about a product.

I recall that you were in touch with the FTC years ago. Did anything useful come of that, and what do you think about approaching them again with some examples? SarahSV (talk) 20:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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I would just like to thank you once more personally - and on behalf of all the editors who express concerns about the appropriateness of paid editing - for all your comments and helping to keep the discussions going. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
I also want to thank you for defending my integrity, even though we sometimes disagree on matters of emphasis. I appreciate it. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:22, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
I was going to leave you the same barnstar, with the summary 'For giving the "admin CoI reform" ball sufficient rolling momentum with this RfC (based on Jytdog's less palatable draft proposal) that it looks like we'll get these new rules in place. This is long overdue (even if maybe not entirely sufficient – baby steps!).' So, I guess you can consider this a Defender of the Wiki Barnstar, First Class. Heh.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  05:24, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Tide turns?[edit]

If this is right, you must be pleased ... 6 out of 7 candidates with your support got elected. Is the tide turning? ☆ Bri (talk) 21:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

And olive branch & holiday wishes![edit]

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Smallbones, please accept these holiday wishes :)

I've caused this year to end on a chord of disappointment for many, but I hope that despite my mistakes and the differences in opinion and perspectives, and regardless of what the outcome is or in what capacity I can still contribute in the coming year, we can continue working together directly or indirectly on this encyclopedic project, whose ideals are surely carried by both of our hearts. I'm hoping I have not fallen in your esteem to the level where "no hard feelings" can no longer ring true, because I highly respect you and your dedication to Wikipedia, and I sincerely wish you and your loved ones all the best for 2018.

  • Ben · Salvidrim!  03:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC), humbled but optimistic about the upcoming year of renewal and growth!

2018 is coming[edit]

It's that time of the year, SmallB. No fancy template, but just wishing you all the best for the holidays and the new year. It's probably a lot warmer where I am than where you are 😎 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:25, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Season's greetings[edit]

Hi Smallbones, wishing you and yours all the best for Christmas and the New Year, and thank you for everything you've done here this year. SarahSV (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

Merry Christmas![edit]

Hello, Smallbones! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Buster7  22:17, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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Seasons' Greetings[edit]

The Great White North.jpg you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:44, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry X-mas[edit]

Wikipedia Happy New Year.png Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2018!

Hello Smallbones, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2018.
Happy editing,
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:13, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Season's best[edit]

Hannah Cohoon, Tree of Life or Blazaing Tree, 1845.jpg A Shaker Christmas wish
Give good gifts, one to another
Peace, joy and comfort gladly bestow
Harbor no ill 'gainst sister or brother
Smooth life's journey as you onward go.
Broad as the sunshine, free as the showers.
So shed an influence blessing to prove;
Give for the noblest of efforts your pow'rs;
Blest and be blest, is the law of love.

Many, many good wishes to you...and happy editing in 2018 and beyond! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 06:48, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Dennis Hastert[edit]

I have undone an edit in regard to Dennis Hastert in the category of prisoners and detainees of the United States government. Hastert has served his time and it would appear he no longer fits the category as he is no longer a prisoner and or detainee of the US government. I can understand why he would be listed in the category at the time of incarceration. However, now that he is no longer imprisoned he does not seem to fit the parameter. Happy New Year to you. Best wishes.2602:306:8B8C:29A0:F0E3:8AF8:20F:267E (talk) 05:10, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Sunday January 14: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference[edit]

Sunday January 14: Wikipedia Day NYC 2018
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You are invited to join us at Ace Hotel for Wikipedia Day NYC 2018, a Wikipedia celebration and mini-conference as part of the project's global 16th birthday festivities. In addition to the party, the event will be a participatory unconference, with keynotes, plenary panels, lightning talks, and of course open space sessions.

And there will be cake.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00am - 6:30 pm at Ace Hotel, 20 West 29th Street in Manhattan

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Bitcoin miners[edit]

Just stumbled across another potential issue: mining hardware. E.g. Bitmain; if you look at the creator you may recognize them from past encounters, one of this group. What you think? ☆ Bri (talk) 00:03, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

More shenanigans over at SegWit2x, created by same account. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:12, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Season's greetings![edit]

Been out of pocket, so I belatedly wish you every happiness in the coming year. Coretheapple (talk) 17:44, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Smallbones![edit]

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.


Something down your alleyish. There is a conflicted editor wanting to expand. Perhaps you could have a look? Jytdog (talk) 23:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

This Sunday! Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference (updated speakers + schedule)[edit]

Sunday January 14: Wikipedia Day NYC 2018
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Part of Wikipedia's global 17th birthday celebration, Wikipedia Day NYC 2018 at Ace Hotel will include a mini-conference of scheduled panels as well as unconference style talks and discussions proposed by attendees on the day of the event. We are very excited to announce speakers such as Jason Scott (Internet Archive), Jackie Koerner (Visiting Scholar, Wiki Ed), and Andrew Lih (Wikimedia DC), as well as a fantastic line-up of panels that highlight projects and issues of relevance to the Wikimedia NYC community.

See Wikipedia Day NYC 2018 speakers + schedule

And there will be cake.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00am - 6:30 pm at Ace Hotel, 20 West 29th Street in Manhattan

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk) 02:22, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


It seems as if there is now some overlap in our efforts. It wasn't my intention, but after seeing the early thread on Wales' tp today, I started the one on mine. Wales' tp is a place I watch occasionally when an interesting ES pops upon my watchlist, but I very rarely comment there. It has its use, but IMO is basically WP's soap, and Jimmy himself, understandably, only chimes in occasionally. Anyway, what I mean to say is that today's discussions are a clear example of why a dedicated workgroup is required that can bring all the talk into one place, and possibly James' suggestion, which got consensus, for a special functionary group to deal with these issues should now begin to be physically put together. I don't mind the groundwork being on the user sub page I created this morning, but I don't really want to be again in the vanguard of an important campaign. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:46, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

I support the idea, but do not think it was originally mineHere is the consensus.
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Belated best wishes for a happy 2018[edit]

The Fox Hunt (1893) by Winslow Homer, Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts.
Thank you for your contributions toward making Wikipedia a better and more accurate place.

Hope you folks had a lovely Christmas. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:27, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

RfC closing[edit]

Thanks for posting. I'd already posted it the other day 5 up though :) TonyBallioni (talk) 02:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Whoops! Smallbones(smalltalk) 02:53, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Actually sorry for WT:RFA[edit]

I think that most unfortunately, the discussion you've started has almost become like a you against all the rest debate (at least the past day's discussions). I'm actually sorry for that. I'll just say that with all the work you've already done, there's no need for you to hurry it up – the intent of the Rfc will eventually find its way inside future Rfas. So perhaps just let it be for now out there at WT:RFA. Wishing you well, and best regards, Lourdes 13:31, 23 January 2018 (UTC)


I offered a free editor hat to an English editor that I have worked with for years, and he thinks I am joking, but I am serious about sending a hat. Please tell me any editors who are wearing the hat that I can say to him they have the hat, or better yet have a photo online wearing the hat. You would be fine, but not your dog!--Dthomsen8 (talk) 22:56, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

@Dthomsen8: I do wear the hat from time to time but have never had a photo in it. I'd take my own photo in it, but I wouldn't want to break anybody's computer (by means of my photo!)
But hats off to you!
Smallbones(smalltalk) 00:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Like this? ☆ Bri (talk) 00:47, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
More humor, but no answer for the English editor.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 01:20, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

See also Heart of a Dog.

Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:28, 29 January 2018 (UTC)


Hey Smallbones. Looking back at the discussion on WT:RFA regarding the fourth question, I'm not happy with how I presented my argument. I didn't mean to reference the moral panics as an attack on your work; my intent was to show that, while some proposals have been good, others seem more directed at the people than the underlying problem of subtle promotional edits being made. It was a poor wording choice to make, and so I apologize for that. If I participate in future discussions on the topic, I'll try to find more constructive ways of getting my point across. Regardless of my views on the subject, I respect the work you've put into trying to develop policy solutions for the issue of paid editing. Regards, -- Ajraddatz (talk) 19:53, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:55, 30 January 2018 (UTC)


I'm sorry for having a go at you the other day. I was feeling a bit under the weather.

Lourdes pretty much got my intent correctly - in a climate where we're struggling to recruit admin candidates, we need as few obstacles as we can get. It is possible to do good work on WP for pay (eg: adding sources for all unreferenced BLPs is something that just isn't going to happen voluntarily), just that most of what we currently call "paid editing" is simply bad paid editing and lumping all of it together means the type of grunt-work I'd like to see isn't going to happen. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:21, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Gold-backed cryptocurrency[edit]

I got interested in the concept of gold-backed cryptocurrency and wrote up Royal Mint Gold. Was looking for some others we have missing articles on and was thinking of doing OneGram until I found this but then this calling it a "pump and dump" scheme. Interesting times. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

February 2018[edit]

Information icon Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Cryptocurrency, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Your edit adds an editorializing "controversial" asset characterization unconfirmed by the sources. I think that you confuse the asset and its possible uses, some of which can be characterized as "controversial". Note that controversial uses do not make the asset as such "controversial". Your "controversial" edit has been reverted. If you really want to have such an adjective in the lead section, please discuss your edit at talk and find a supporting source. Thank you. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 21:46, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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causing or likely to cause disagreement
If you don't think cryptocurrencies are controversial, you haven't been following the many disagreements that they are causing. see e.g. [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:09, 7 February 2018 (UTC)


I hope you and the folks are well. This is the house I was talking about on the way back from Gettysburg: Brooke Mansion (Birdsboro, Pennsylvania)
Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:46, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Evergreen Cemetery Gatehouse[edit]

Your edits document the clutter of additions to the classic Gatehouse. Congratulations.


Maybe we should have a discussion about your disagreements with mazacoin. We think that there might be a misunderstanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sterlingp2 (talkcontribs) 18:30, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

I am a concerned party who believes in mazacoin. Sterlingp2 (talk) 23:10, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[edit]

According to this, is a property of It is the usual Cyprus/Israel corp. I was thinking of starting a deletion discussion on, what do you think? Also you might want to peruse this discussion of the use of proxys to inject many references to in English Wikipedia. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:43, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Deceptive advertising[edit]

Thanks for writing Wikipedia:Deceptive advertising. Vexations (talk) 18:12, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

List of lynching[edit]

Why did you remove the Incomplete template? deisenbe (talk) 10:55, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Sazerac Company[edit]

Could you have not just explained what you were talking about and give a specific example of what you said was promotional? If you don't explain what you did and why, you are edit warring too. You can look at any Beverage company article on wikipedia and see similar listings about companies that have been acquired.

MissTofATX (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX

List of lynching victims[edit]

The way it is now, I think the uninformed, and most users will be ill informed, may think this is all the lynching victims there were. Until it is expanded as discussed, I feel strongly that the “incomplete” tag should remain, and have restored it. This also has the small advantage of adding it to the list of articles marked incomplete. deisenbe (talk) 12:07, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

"Routine awards"[edit]

Hey there, given your edits to the Revelator Coffee article, could you possibly elaborate on the term "routine award"? In the section you removed were two rankings in which locations of theirs are included, an award that is handed out annualy and a one-off honorable mention, wherefore I cannot quite see how they all fit the same category. Also, the reliable sources that were used to source the reception section are still present in the reflist template, wherefore they display errors and should be removed from it if the section stays out of the article. Lordtobi () 12:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

  • Edit: How is Forbes not a reliable source? It writes genuine articles. Lordtobi () 13:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Precious three years![edit]

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Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

May 2018[edit]

Information icon Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Cryptocurrency, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. The problem with your edit is that:

  • It messed the definition of a cryptocurrency: per WP:IRS, controversialness is not a condition for being a cryptocurrency.
  • The source you cited does not confirm that cryptocurrencies have to be controversial to deserve the cryptocurrency classification. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 18:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Cut the BS. The source says that cryptocurrencies are controversial, as anybody who knows anything about them knows. We are writing encyclopedia articles, not dictionary definitions. Your POV (we can only note that something is controversial if "controversial" is part of its definition, would effectively outlaw the use of "controversial" on Wikipedia. Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:06, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Your contributions are being published...[edit] the next issue of The Signpost's "In the media". Check Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue/In_the_media#In brief if you want to review or amend. BTW, editing deadline is in a couple of days. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:24, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for List of Masonic buildings in the United States [edit]


An article that you have been involved in editing—List of Masonic buildings in the United States —has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Doncram (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, you contributed to similar List of Odd Fellows buildings where the same question may apply. Your participation would be welcomed. --Doncram (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Blockchain and Crypto[edit]

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saw this today [8] in nyt. About price manipulation. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 11:38, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletion of page: 'Mangrove Capital Partners'[edit]

Hi there, It looks like you were the closing editor of the page 'Mangrove Capital Partners' on June 1st. It was deleted because it apparently failed to demonstrate notability (and especially source independence) but the references included stories written specifically about the firm by some of the most respected and influential media including: Bloomberg: TechCrunch: These articles clearly explain that the firm is not run of the mill but 'one of Europe’s most successful VCs'. I would be very grateful if you could review the decision to delete this page given the above articles do illustrate notability and are considered to be independent sources? Thanks! Allthingsrosy (talk) 20:41, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

@Allthingsrosy: The closing editor was @Spartaz:
Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Indentation for talk-pages[edit]

When indenting a talk-page reply, then I insert paragraph-tags "<p>" to indent all of the reply to the same level, coded as ":::Text.<p>Paragraph2.<p>Paragraph3". That could also avoid interleaved replies, where another user might want to reply midway inside your posted message. -Wikid77 (talk) 10:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Binary option[edit]

Hi there, I am looking at reinstating a section that you removed (here and here). Please drop us a line in the talk page if I am missing something. 2A02:C7D:DA0A:DB00:A469:4A80:2C4B:90EA (talk) 20:57, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]


Thank you for your edits on United States Post Office (Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania)

MutchyMan112 (talk) 09:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Peer review newsletter #1[edit]


Hello to all! I do not intend to write a regular peer review newsletter but there does occasionally come a time when those interested in contributing to peer review should be contacted, and now is one. I've mailed this out to everyone on the peer review volunteers list, and some editors that have contributed to past discussions. Apologies if I've left you off or contacted you and you didn't want it. Next time there is a newsletter / mass message it will be opt in (here), I'll talk about this below - but first:

  • THANK YOU! I want to thank you for your contributions and for volunteering on the list to help out at peer review. Thank you!
  • Peer review is useful! It's good to have an active peer review process. This is often the way that we help new or developing editors understand our ways, and improve the quality of their editing - so it fills an important and necessary gap between the teahouse (kindly introduction to our Wikiways) and GA and FA reviews (specific standards uphelp according to a set of quality criteria). And we should try and improve this process where possible (automate, simplify) so it can be used and maintained easily.


It can get quite lonely tinkering with peer review...
With a bit of effort we can renovate the place to look like this!

Update #1: the peer review volunteers list is changing[edit]

The list is here in case you've forgotten: WP:PRV. Kadane has kindly offered to create a bot that will ping editors on the volunteers list with unanswered reviews in their chosen subject areas every so often. You can choose the time interval by changing the "contact" parameter. Options are "never", "monthly", "quarterly", "halfyearly", and "annually". For example:

  • {{PRV|JohnSmith|History of engineering|contact=monthly}} - if placed in the "History" section, JohnSmith will receive an automatic update every month about unanswered peer reviews relating to history.
  • {{PRV|JaneSmith|Mesopotamian geography, Norwegian fjords|contact=annually}} - if placed in the "Geography" section, JaneSmith will receive an automatic update every yearly about unanswered peer reviews in the geography area.

We can at this stage only use the broad peer review section titles to guide what reviews you'd like, but that's better than nothing! You can also set an interest in multiple separate subject areas that will be updated at different times.

Update #2: a (lean) WikiProject Peer review[edit]

I don't think we need a WikiProject with a giant bureaucracy nor all sorts of whiz-bang features. However over the last few years I've found there are times when it would have been useful to have a list of editors that would like to contribute to discussions about the peer review process (e.g. instructions, layout, automation, simplification etc.). Also, it can get kind of lonely on the talk page as I am (correct me if I'm wrong) the only regular contributor, with most editors moving on after 6 - 12 months.

So, I've decided to create "WikiProject Peer review". If you'd like to contribute to the WikiProject, or make yourself available for future newsletters or contact, please add yourself to the list of members.

Update #3: advertising[edit]

We plan to do some advertising of peer review, to let editors know about it and how to volunteer to help, at a couple of different venues (Signpost, Village pump, Teahouse etc.) - but have been waiting until we get this bot + WikiProject set up so we have a way to help interested editors make more enduring contributions. So consider yourself forewarned!

And... that's it!

I wish you all well on your Wikivoyages, Tom (LT) (talk) 00:31, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing[edit]

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Hello, Smallbones.

I've seen you editing recently and you seem like an experienced Wikipedia editor.
Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After gaining the flag, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. Thanks. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:09, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

August 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday August 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 00:14, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

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The Isaac Cocks House photo[edit]

I have long suspected the house is the one visible from the Thruway when passing the SKAC property, since that house does better fit the description. It would be at the end of the road on which that particular photographer was. I may, at one time, have attempted to take that picture from the Thruway with the leaves down as they are in the Street View image; I don't know if I still have it.

The nomination forms for a lot of the buildings listed around that time are very sketchy; not much was required. Indeed, a lot of the properties in Cornwall from that particular MPS (I think it was) are poorly documented and (I think) in some cases nonexistent. The coords on this one aren't right, I can tell you that (they put you on empty land).

I don't think the security guard would have been the best person to ask. I will perhaps have to take it upon myself to get on the horn with the art center staff myself, or the Cornwall town historian. Daniel Case (talk) 21:39, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

September 26: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting[edit]

Wednesday September 26, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

This month will also feature on our agenda, upcoming editathons, the organization's Annual Meeting, and Chapter board elections - you can add yourself as a candidate.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 20:44, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)

Engine Company 29, in Washington, D.C.[edit]

Engine Company 29 is the only Washington, D.C. redlink in new List of fire stations. I see it is linked from a "To do" list page of yours, but not from any of the NRHP list-articles for Washington D.C. It is mentioned as a research problem question at a Talk page by me, when dividing the D.C. NRHP tables years ago. User:DanTD comments there about uncategorized photos being available for it. It is apparently NRHP-listed; there is Elkman generator coverage of it. Could you possibly please go ahead and create the article, and put it into whichever is the proper list-article? I bet it would be a bit easier for you than me to figure it out. I'm gonna try to work forward on doing most of rest of the 115 or so redlinks there, otherwise. Cheers, --Doncram (talk) 07:37, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Not a problem if you don't want to do that, i will start it eventually, and i can probably eventually figure out which neighborhood list-article it belongs to. I do believe you are more familiar with D.C. than I am, though, and I wonder if you have used the "District of Columbia Inventory of Historic Sites" document put out by DC Office of Planning. I just used it in re-creating another redlink that I found, for Truck Company F (article was a Candleabracadbra creation moved to userspace and eventually deleted by Nyttend i think). I wrote up short info on the document at wp:NRHPHELPDC. Feel free to comment there upon the document and/or give further info. --Doncram (talk) 04:04, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
@Doncram: I know D.C. a little (esp. NW), although not that specific fire house. Regarding the firehouse at 4811 MacArthur NW: It appears to be at the intersection of several neighborhoods (probably not uncommon for many fire stations, at least those I know of). According to our articles, it appears to be in The_Palisades,_Washington,_D.C., even though Google maps has a southern boundary for the Palisades that is too far north (Palisades in Google maps). Two articles call it the "Palisades firehouse" [9] [10]. Zillow allows it in that neighborhood too [11]. I made arguments for two other neighborhoods, but I think I have ruled them out.
If you would like help or review of the D.C. firehouses, or other D.C. neighorhood stuff--especially in NW, I'm happy to help. --David Tornheim (talk) 06:03, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you User:David Tornheim. I think i agreed with you at some recent AFD or somewhere else, i don't know where. Okay, I just created Engine Company 29 article and incorporated one of those sources you provided, and there is another source too about it being "Palisadesque". I inserted a row for it into "NRHP listings in western Washington DC", where I am pretty sure it does belong, and asserted there that it is in The Palisades neighborhood. I leave it to DC editors to question that if they like. The NRIS coordinates were way off in a different neighborhood; the new ones that I looked up point to a nice-looking Colonial Revival-style EMS/fire station, in Google satellite view. Hey, if you would care to develop the article any more that would be great, or to make any fixes in the list-article.
It was designed by British-born Albert L. Harris, who had no article until I just started one, who seems like an important D.C. architect, was Municipal Architect, seems to have designed bird house at the Zoo and many other works. If either of you were interested I would be happy to help develop the articles for a combo DYK, or just one about Harris.
Also there were some other loose ends mentioned by me back in 2009 at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington, D.C.#Research issues and boundary increases to edit. Perhaps a chapel at Gallaudet College is separately listed in fact but is omitted by us, and perhaps there is another fire station omitted, I dunno. User:DanTD expressed interest about those issues in 2013 but they weren't explicitly addressed there. --Doncram (talk) 19:56, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Doncram Glad to be of help. I'll take a look when I get a chance. I spent a little time with some of the neighborhoods nearby. Foxhall and Foxhall Crescent appear to have some quite amazing mansions that are not in the articles [12]. Do you think [13] would qualify as WP:RS to justify adding to the appropriate article(s)? I'm a bit surprised residents and others who know about these mansions have not already added more of these!
Thanks for the pic, Smallbones, found in commons category for DC fire stations.
When you upload the image to the fire house, can you show me what you did? I.e. just tell me when you did it and I will look at your edits. When I tried to upload an image of s historic building long ago, it was so difficult to do, I gave up. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:14, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
What image? I just mentioned at Talk:List of RHPs in DC that i can't find an image, though DanTD had asserted that 3 images existed in 2013. Not sure what difficulty you might refer to, about uploading a pic to Commons, or about including a Commons pic into an NRHP infobox or an NRHP list-article. None seems hard to me right now, perhaps you will find it easy now too. Perhaps you could clarify.
About the WashingtonLife source on great estates, it looks good to me, and I just added mention to wp:NRHPHELPDC. You provided 2 links, both to the same site. Please update here or there, directly, if you have a different generalesque article to consider, too. --Doncram (talk) 20:23, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you had found an image--I hadn't read carefully. If you do, then... I might try again to upload the image for the article that I had trouble with years ago, and maybe you can help me with it? Not today. Yes, same RS for both sentences. Thanks again. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:41, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Doncram: I edited the pic to lighten it up. If the new pic doesn't show up here, just click on the old pic to see the new one. (or clear the cache or something like that). If you don't like the new version you can just revert the new one on Commons. Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:15, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that! And I followed up at User talk:David Tornheim#Pics uploading and linking. I'm all done here I think, and I'm not planning to follow up on DC NRHP list possible irregularities. The worldwide List of fire stations will keep me busy for a while, especially because i got surprising help/discussion at wp:AWNB which led to my learning a bunch more about the historic registers of Australia's various states, and which led to addition of a lot of Australia fire station redlinks that need to be turned blue. Cheers, --Doncram (talk) 19:17, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


You participated in the AFD for Four Diamonds Fund.See the related Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penn State IFC/Panhellenic Dance Marathon. DGG ( talk ) 18:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hello, in your revision you said that these sources aren't reliable. Why, though?

The last one seems to be a staff writer, the others I'm not sure, but some of them have hundreds of articles. Even if a writer isn't specifically staff, I didn't see anything in WP:USERG about non-staff articles specifically not being reliable - only websites that rely heavily on user-submitted content/content farms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reriksenus (talkcontribs) 04:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

This has been discussed extensively at [14] (See the bottom 4 or 5 bullet points there). In short, the crytopress is not considered to be reliable in any case. If you can't write something without including an unreliable source, you shouldn't be writing it.
The staff writer situation is slightly different. The consensus seems to be that Forbes staff writers produce reliable articles, but that the "contributors" are essentially bloggers who produce very low quality material. Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:42, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Reriksenus (talk) 03:37, 12 October 2018 (UTC)