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Re: Ooops[edit]

I just thought the page needed to be deleted, since no page on Wikipedia contains the wiki link The Bloody Crown.--TheVampire (talk) 18:08, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

@TheVampire: The unrelated edit I was referring to is my one just now to Set phrase, which I did in a bit of a hurry and my browser pulled up an edit summary from my previous edit to The Bloody Crown. I wasn't sure whether that would generate a notification.
But as for that page, pages are not "dependent" on other pages that link to them. I realise that G8 doesn't have a precise definition, but common sense tells me that just being an orphaned page doesn't qualify. — Smjg (talk) 18:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Re: Category:Theatre companies in South Carolina[edit]

No objection to the speedy deletion. I created the category under the impression that there were at least one or two articles that would fit, later realizing that they were historical theatres, not theatrical companies.Bjones (talk) 04:53, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Sekmai[edit]

Isn't it Sekmai Bazar?Xx236 (talk) 07:08, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Discussion continued at Talk:Sekmai where the same message was posted. — Smjg (talk) 00:03, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Gnaphosa[edit]

Gnaphosa orchymonti is synonym for Gnaphosa dolosa, see World Spider Catalog, see, see Catalogue of Life: 30th January 2017 --Zeljko (talk) 21:09, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Joseph Gurney Barclay (Astronomer)[edit]

I'm trying to write a page for Joseph Gurney Barclay (Astronomer), but am having difficulty editing the template FRAS (talk) 20:42, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

@FRAS: Hmm. How did you try to create the article? Did you just create a new page and enter "{{biography}}" as the content? I'm not familiar with this template, but I did notice on its page this instruction you appear to have missed:
It would appear to me that this is your first step towards being able to actually get the content into the article. — Smjg (talk) 20:57, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

OK I'll try that FRAS (talk) 21:01, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Re:Return of TLC tour[edit]

Thank you for noticing and helping me with my edits recently. Well I've just withdrawn my deletion of Return of TLC tour because I did come up with some ideas but still, i'm having trouble naming it correctly. Should I name the article TLC 2016 tour or 2016 Tour? Please help! And thank you! Beyoncetan (talk) 22:05, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@Beyoncetan: Therein lies the problem - I'm not sure how articles like this should be titled either. The best suggestion I can offer would be to post the question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pop music. — Smjg (talk) 22:14, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
@Smjg: All right. Thank you Smjg for helping! Beyoncetan (talk) 22:16, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Southern Cooking reflist[edit]

Sorry, looks like I must have messed that up and restored Blythwood's previous version of the template when attempting to get a simultaneous edit through. Wasn't intentional. --McGeddon (talk) 13:10, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Deleting page - can you reply ?[edit]

OK to delete, I am brand new and not ready to fully create it - I just want to be sure I can create the same page name later when I have some proper content and citations done. Golfher (talk) 21:53, 26 February 2017 (UTC)Golfher

@Golfher: Once you have some proper content, you should be able to re-create the page at the same title without any problems. — Smjg (talk) 21:55, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Red/female bio editathon advice[edit]

Hi there, Smjg. Thanks for your interest in the above page. I can understand your edit but in fact by keeping anything on this page, you keep it in mainspace which is not allowed for pages relating to WikiProjects. I thought that after moving the content of the page to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/female bio editathon advice I ought to blank the original page so that it can be deleted. While redirects are usually useful in safeguarding access by links to the original page after a move, this is an exception. I see now that my edit comment was probably not sufficiently explicit. But don't worry about it too much. I'm sure someone else will pick it up and take care of it. (BTW, I like your examples of common grammatical errors on your user page although I fear some of them are acceptable in the U.S.) --Ipigott (talk) 08:12, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@Ipigott: This is exactly what the speedy deletion templates are for - getting a page deleted if certain criteria are met. One of these criteria is an inappropriate redirect from the main article space to project space, user space, etc. On the other hand, blanking the page is of no benefit and merely confuses anybody who stumbles upon the page. (BTW, I've heard some say "off of" is acceptable in the US, but even so it's certainly an informal usage and to be avoided in an encyclopedia. I'm not sure if any of my other examples are.) — Smjg (talk) 12:37, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanations. I expect if you add the correct one of the two you suggest, the page will be taken off of the mainspace. I've seen "A dog refers to an animal that barks" or something similar as the first line of the lead in many articles. I assume it is American usage.--Ipigott (talk) 13:08, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
@Ipigott: {{db-rediruser}} is just a redirect to {{db-r2}}, which is the general criterion for inappropriate redirects from the mainspace to another space. But I'm pretty sure "A dog refers to an animal that barks" isn't an Americanism. Rather, it's a semantic error based on the use-mention distinction or oversight thereof. Indeed, I've just found something specifically about use of this on WP: Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Use of "refers to". — Smjg (talk) 13:15, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Užice[edit]

Then, what is the purpose of bunch of these redirects ([1]) if no page links to them, but to the redirected page of Užice? The question comes from the logical standpoint, and not based on WP:CSD. Thanks!--AirWolf talk 17:16, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

@AirWolf: Half the point of redirects is for the benefit of people, who are likely to search for a topic by a particular name. In particular, "Uzice" is a very likely name by which people will search for any of these three settlements. Also, if a disambiguation page doesn't have "(disambiguation)" in its title, then as a general rule we should still have a redirect to it from a version with "(disambiguation)" in, so that pages can deliberately link to it and bots will know it's deliberate and so won't flag the link.
If you feel that a page should be deleted but it doesn't meet a CSD, then the best thing to do is to use the WP:PROD or WP:AfD process. — Smjg (talk) 17:30, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
I'm not pointing that topic, indeed I agree with the current state of disambiguation page. I'm asking you about ([2]), what was the problem other than for the technical reasons to remove these nonfunctional redirects? All of these names are very closely associated with the city of Užice (which redirects prove): Titovo Uzice, Titovo Užice, Uzhice, Uzhitse, Uzicani, Uzicans, Uzice, Uzice Municipality, Užicans, Užičani, Užiče. However, none of them have links to them, but to redirected page, that is my point.--AirWolf talk 17:40, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
@AirWolf: How do you know that these redirects are nonfunctional, i.e. aren't pointing anybody who searches for these phrases in the right direction? (There's a further possibility that some of these might have links to them from outside of WP.) Again, my point applies about using WP:PROD or WP:AfD if you feel any of them should be deleted. — Smjg (talk) 17:47, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

thank you[edit]

I started ot do the Islamo-lefitst redirect, ang got distracted. I'm sorry.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:02, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Llwyn-celyn farmhouse, Llanvihangel Crucorney[edit]

Hi, just creating article on this. Shall undo your reversion to the redirect if that's ok. KJP1 (talk) 09:01, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

It's not OK to have a page that's literally nothing but a link, but not done as a redirect. As such, I've changed it back to a redirect, albeit to the new page. — Smjg (talk) 09:37, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
But do we actually need the redirect page at all? It redirected to Llanvihangel Crucorney when the farm house didn't have its own page. Now it does, what purpose does the redirect serve? Ditto the redirect here, [3], for Court Farm Barn, Llanthony Priory which redirected, inaccurately, to Llanvihangel Crucorney. Given that I've now created articles for both, aren't the redirects superfluous? KJP1 (talk) 09:47, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
@KJP1: If an entity doesn't have a page of its own, but has a section describing it on some other page, then it's reasonable to have a redirect to that section. Indeed, this is why {{R to section}} exists. But it does seem to me that there was never any section on Llanvihangel Crucorney about the farmhouse, and therefore the redirect shouldn't have been there. Of course, now we have an article to redirect it to. I suppose it isn't really necessary to have this redirect, given that
  • a search regardless of capitalisation will bring up the article
  • it's now orphaned but for here
  • it's unlikely that anything outside WP links to it, since the page it previously redirected to didn't have any real info on it
If you feel that the redirect should be deleted, feel free to PROD or RfD it. — Smjg (talk) 12:23, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks. Regards. KJP1 (talk) 12:38, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Lamba (surname)[edit]

Hi, you pissed me off a couple of days ago and you've just done it again at the above article. If you don't understand the Indian caste system etc then please either ask first, educate yourself or don't edit in the area. It is subject to a sanctions regime for a reason - see WP:GS/Caste - and associating last names with castes is fraught with difficulties, eg: see User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. - Sitush (talk) 05:35, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Sitush: When you say "it is OR", do you personally know the editor who added that info, and as such know that said person did the research him/herself? Furthermore, if a page contains no content suitable for Wikipedia, then the answer (if you can't find suitable content to add in its place) is to nominate it for deletion (in this case, I think WP:PROD would have been best), not to remove all content from the page. ("Lamba is a surname" doesn't constitute content because it does literally nothing but repeat what the page title says - see WP:A3.)
Now that you've put in some replacement content, I guess we can let the issue lie now. Still, please note what I have said for future reference. I have noted what you have said. — Smjg (talk) 21:03, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
I won't note what you said. I've been round the block and do not need the preachings of someone whose user-page is written in the third person. You comments are misplaced: you obviously do not understand why I did what I did, why it was OR, and why I later filled it with a list. Like I said, if you don't know, and don't want to learn, about caste-related stuff, it is best not to edit in the topic area. - Sitush (talk) 21:16, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
@Sitush:
  • I do understand why you did it. This doesn't change the fact that removing all content from a page, instead of going through one of the proper deletion processes, is inappropriate behaviour on Wikipedia.
  • Why should I understand why somebody else posted original research on Wikipedia? Furthermore, if you claim that something is OR then the onus is on you to provide evidence of your claim.
  • Inappropriate edits are fair game to being reverted. There is no requirement for the editor who does the reverting to have knowledge of the subject area in order to do this.
  • At the time of my reversion you had not yet filled it with a list, and therefore this is irrelevant.
  • What has the style in which my userpage is written to do with anything?
As such, if you ignore my advice, I will have no sympathy if you are blocked. — Smjg (talk) 21:30, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

A cupcake for you![edit]

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg I want to know, to how to change the title name of the page Arra Tv which I had cereated recently , instead I like to change as " ARRA Tv ". Helloashok (talk) 09:25, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
@Helloashok: Thank you. :)
Once you've made a few more edits, you should begin to see the 'Move' command described at Wikipedia:Moving a page#How to move a page. This will enable you to move a page to a new title. Alternatively, you can follow the process at WP:RM.
BTW I have noticed that the channel's website mixes the forms "ARRA TV", "ARRA Tv" and "Arra TV". Do you know which is officially correct? If not, you may wish to try and contact them in order to confirm it. :) — Smjg (talk) 11:25, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

J&A Records[edit]

FYI, the 'follies' continue [4] --220 of Borg 06:24, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@220 of Borg: Indeed. I'm not sure how best to deal with what's going on here. For the record, DJ Latino Prince's last edit was to tag it for SD on the basis that "we are no longer working under the name J&A Records". Obviously, if a business has changed its name, the answer is not to move the article to the new name, not to delete it. Trouble is we're not sure what the new name is, and moreover there seems to be a COI at work here. — Smjg (talk) 10:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Concur. Though I think you meant "...he answer is not to move the article to the new name."?
Article has also been PRODed since: "Subject does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Lacks significant sourcing unconnected with the subject." [5] 220 of Borg 04:47, 18 May 2017 (UTC)