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Cup competitions[edit]

It seems that the cup competitions are somehow the stepchildren of WP:FOOTY. The season articles of those are usually created by random users, and usually only if a particular user notices that the article for the cup competition of his or her home country is not existent yet. As a consequence, no standard exists for those articles, which is why most cup articles look a little, let's say, messy.

If you want to create or improve a few of the articles, just be bold and do it. The language barrier is no real barrier for updating results and adding drawn matches. At the current point, any help on this will be gladly welcome (as well as for keeping the season's articles up-to-date, but that's another story). As for necessary information which should be included into a cup season article I would suggest one or two sentences as an introduction similar to the league articles and every round which is played nationwide (including nationwide premiliary and qualifying rounds, e.g. FA Cup 2008–09).

The contents and also the layout of the cup articles should be discussed on the WP:FOOTY talkpage or another appropriate section. If we can find enough people, a task force for creation and maintenance of season and cup competition articles might also be created.

Where are you from, by the way? (my natural guess would be Romania...) Cheers, Hockey-holic (talk) 22:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I read your enquiry on Hockey-holic's talk page, and just wanted to drop by and tell you that I'm trying to improve the Norwegian Football Cup articles! I started today on the 2008 article, but I still have a long way to go. I was initially thinking of using the English League Cup and the FA Cup as starting help, but please give me input if you have any opinions. =) lil2mas (talk) 14:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Cypriot Cup[edit]

I get current information from Cypriot sport sites but they are all in Greek unfortunately. has the results but they are usually late by a couple of days and sometimes even more. Also the Cypriot FA does not have an official website. Good luck with the cup competitions. Anarxia (talk) 23:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Romanian Cup[edit]

Thank You for your contribution at this article. Greetings from Bucharest!!! You are the best. Good Game! TouLouse (talk) 16:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Israel State Cup 2008-09 sources[edit]

I have found a source - unfortunately, it is in Hebrew. It is the official competition page from the Israeli FA. Have a look...

As for the article, I would propose either to try Google (although I highly doubt that it will produce suitable results) or to ask Israeli Wikipedians (e.g. User:HonorTheKing) if they could help us out.

I will give Google a try in a second. If I find something, you will immediately be noticed. Hockey-holic (talk) 22:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I will help by doing this year Israeli state cup and the cups of past years aswell, so far iv'e done must of the article.
- HonorTheKing (talk) 14:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Romanian Cup[edit]

I'm from Bucharest...Yeah I know that the Romanian site is awful...No problem...I will add the results on Wikipedia... I love Wiki :X:X And you...where are you from? I see that you are very interesting about this competitionTouLouse (talk) 19:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Update on 2008-09 cup competitions; editing help for Hungary welcome[edit]

Hello SonjiCeli,

we have only eight red links for this season's cup competitions left (Andorra, Armenia, Bulgaria, Georgia, Hungary, Lithuania, Moldova and Slovakia)! Considering that most of the articles had not been set up in early September, this is an impressive mark. Thank you very much for your contributions, they are highly appreciated. :-)

Andorra and Armenia can be neglected for now since they will not start until early 2009. Nevertheless, it would be good if the rest of those articles could be created until the end of the month. I'm currently working on the Hungarian article in my sandbox. The matches are already there, the only thing needed to be done is to format the information in an appropriate way. I usually prefer {{OneLegResult}} to achieve this, but since there are 58 matches for Round 1 and another 45 games for Round 2, I am leaning towards a two-column format similar to the FA Cup for those ties. Anyway, it is stil a huge amount of work to do on this one, so if you like, you are heartily invited to help. :-) — Hockey-holic (talk) 00:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Estonian Cup 2008–09[edit]

Hi, you wanted to know what happened with Vaprus in Estonian Cup 2008–09. They used on September 3 against Ganvix player who had suspension. Estonian Football Association noticed that just few days ago and they decided to remove them (Vaprus) from Estonian Cup. So on September 3 Ganvix won the game by walkover and now Toompea and Ganvix are gonna play their fourth round game on October 26. I don't know how to explain that on the page, so could you? GGib (talk) 14:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Georgian Cup 2008-09, remaining red links; maintenance task force[edit]

Wow. Where in heaven's name did you find those 2nd leg results? :-D I searched everywhere, but couldn't find anything. Great job!

As for Hungary, it's okay. In the end it was less work than I actually thought. Bulgaria has still not begun so far (only a small premiliary round has been held, see here), plus there should be enough sources available in order to get a decent article. User:Avdav would surely provide information of Armenia once the competition is about to start (March 2009?), and Andorra, well, its Andorra. will have this covered as soon as the competition begins (probably in late January or something like that).

Finally, I have to give huge credit once again since you were the one who started the cup article wave. Without you, a lot of those articles still wouldn't exist. Thank you very much!

Once all articles are done, we should carry forward the earlier mentioned idea of a "creation and maintenance task force". Rougue1987 counted a total of thirty-eight (38) leagues with games for this weekend alone, an amount that is almost impossible to handle with just two or three regular editors. Okay, about a quarter of the leagues are updated by the community or dedicated regular contributors (e.g. GGib, Timbouctou, Avdav, ThaKid555), and another quarter is done sporadically by mostly anonymous editors. Nonetheless, this still leaves the other half of leagues uncovered, and I'm not even mentioning cleaning up the first half of leagues. As a consequence, a lot of time has to be invested by those two or three people, which is not desireable on a long term. To cut a long story short, and also at the risk of leaving my thoughts unfinished - would you like to be part of such a task force if we get enough people to join? Hockey-holic (talk) 23:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: UEL spots for Cup Winners[edit]

MTC is actually right. See the UEFA Cup regulations for this year at section 1.04. But to be honest, I wasn't aware of that either until I looked it up. On the other hand, this rule might change for 2009-10. I couldn't find a source for this, though, so I added {{fact}} to the statement in question. Nevertheless, I hope the UEFA source helps in that matter. Hockey-holic (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

We have another application of this rule in Norway, as it seems. I'm leaning towards writing an e-mail to the respective UEFA body and asking them for help on that matter...
On a completely different topic - do you run any Instant Messengers such as MSN, ICQ or the likes? If so, could you drop me a mail via the link on my userpage? It would probably faciliate the communication between Rougue1987, you and me. Thanks, Hockey-holic (talk) 22:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

FC TVMK[edit]

Its not sure, FC TVMK board has decided to disband the team at the end of the 2008 Meistriliiga season and their UEFA Cup slot is likely to be given to the next best team in the league, unless the board overturns its decision. I think the best thing to do is just wait at the end of the 2008. GGib (talk) 10:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

ManU vs Fulham[edit]

The match was postponed because ManU played in the European Super Cup on the same weekend. I don't know if it has been rescheduled yet, though... Hockey-holic (talk) 18:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: ties, cup winners[edit]

1. The application of head-to-head tie breakers varies from league to league. Some leagues apply away goals as a possible criteria, some don't. So, if a hth game ends 5–5, check the criteria of the league the game belongs to.

2. Actually, the case really happened in Germany over a decade ago. Kaiserslautern were relegated at the end of the 1995–96 season but won the cup against Karlsruhe in the same year. They, of course, kept their spot as domestic cup winners and went to the Cup Winners' Cup. Since the CWC has been merged into the UEFA Cup by now, the original domestic cup winner should be allowed to participate, unless the domestic FA says otherwise, of course.

HTH, Hockey-holic (talk) 18:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: UCL 2009-10[edit]

See also the WikiProject talk page. I think he just took something on Kassies' site for gospel which it is not at all. I have also given him some tough love for his actions as well. Feel free to revert any of his changes to the original state. Hockey-holic (talk) 23:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Cup of Portugal 2008-09[edit]

I guess Lusitano appealed the result of game and everybody's waiting for the decision. Secretaria (talk) 21:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Israel State Cup 2008-09[edit]

Relax, young padawan. :-) The solution to this problem is nearer than one might actually think. Just an URL:

Seriously, this Google tool is actually more useful than one might think. Although the results are sometimes a little "creative", they are usuable enough to catch a rough sketch of events at least. Nevertheless, make sure that the "target" language is English, as you will get the best translation in it.

For example, this link reveals the next round of games. The same action on this link reveals that four teams actually received a bye in the Fifth Round. The system still has its flows, though, as the results are not being reversed as well.

If the translation is not satisfiable enough, I would propose to either try and translate additional sources, as results may vary from site to site, or just hope that missing games will eventually be filled in by an IP-address editor.

In any case, the Israeli leagues are rather well covered by Wikipedia, so finding out missing teams might probably be not as difficult as it sounds now.

I hope this helps. By the way, this translate-a-site application is also useful for things like "How has Vostok exactly been punished?" and so on... ;-) --- L8er, Hockey-holic (talk) 23:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay on updating the article, It's updates to last matches now and I'll update regularly so you don't have to worry about that article.
- HonorTheKing (talk) 16:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

dutch cup[edit]

hey hey,

I changed the map, now built a table, it looked rather messy indeed. Jäger, altijd op jacht..! (talk) 16:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Goal differences, awarded matches[edit]


if matches are awarded to a team by some score, it depends on the jurisdiction of the domestic football association how the ruling on the match(es) will be calculated into the table. For example, in this year's Kazakhstan standings, we had quite a lot of matches awarded to one team. All awarded scores (3-0 in this case) were regularly added to the Goal differential, as stated in the verdicts. A similar case took place in Belarus, where Darida did not field a team for a game and thus was awarded with a 3-0 loss.

For Lithuania, there seems to be an error in the WP standings. Almantas Lauzadis' page (which is the best source for info on Lithuanian football on the web imho) has the goals for the awarded match added on both teams' goal, so we should take that as gospel.

It is highly likely that the Serbian Superliga match will be treated equally, so I have added the score. But again, only the official verdict that the Serbian FA (or the Superliga, i don't know) judicative department publishes is decisive here. By the way, note that the standings on the official page have not been updated yet, probably due to the fact that Cukaricki still have the possibility to appeal the verdict. HTH, Hockey-holic (talk) 13:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

C, P, Q and R...[edit]

Artyom is actually right on those. They are not necessary once the season in a country is over. Hockey-holic (talk) 20:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

"XYZ League 2008 was the 18th season of top-tier football league in XYZ"[edit]

Hello Sonji,

the sentence above is definitely grammatically wrong. Since I was unsure how to correct it properly, I have asked User:Rougue1987 (he hails from the United States) for a proper alternative. He suggested the following:

The XYZ League 2008 season was the 18th season of top-tier football in XYZ.

Could you change the various lead sentences once more? :-) Cheers, Hockey-holic (talk) 19:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I will change my username from "Hockey-holic" to "Soccer-holic" in the near future, so don't be surprised...

Re: Top goalscorers[edit]

I don't like the inclusion of more than the best 10 to 15 goalscorers as well. Displaying more scorers, in my opinion, clearly violates WP:NOT#Stats, so the content in question could theoretically be removed by applying this Wikipedia guideline. However, there could be some resistance if we remove such extensive scorer lists (see Talk:Serbian Superliga 2008–09 as an example). I would propose that you take the topic to the WikiProjekt talk page so that we eventually reach a consensus here. Cheers, Hockey-holic (talk) 14:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: 2009-10 UCL templates[edit]

No need to change those templates, as I already have changed every UEFA league yesterday. :-) The only articles that might not be in order yet are club season articles, and I think we will only need to have an eye on those club articles who are not maintained on a regular basis. A list of those articles can be accessed via the "What links here" link for every round template. HTH, Soccer-holic (talk) 13:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: (De)linking dates[edit]

Sorry for the delay, but I needed a few days off. As for the dates, keep them delinked until the issue at WP:MOSDATE has been solved. Rougue1987 might not be aware of some MoS guidelines, so he keeps on linking them. I'll tell him once he comes on MSN. Cheers, Soccer-holic (talk) 12:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: I hope the weather in Croatia is currently not as cold as it is here in Germany (-10°C in my area, some regions are even down at -20° and less)...


What do you say about the new Portal:Romanian football? BTW nice work on the Romanian Cup articleMario1987 18:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok and thanks! Mario1987 12:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

"Missing" results from CopaConst 2009...[edit]

...have been inserted, at least those of the second round, as well as the matches for the (two-legged) quarterfinals. Regarding the first round scores, I think those will eventually show up somewhere sooner or later. *returns to doing further research on them* --Soccer-holic (talk) 15:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Changes on DFB-Pokal 2008-09[edit]

Easy, young lad. :-) The template for citations is what the Wikipedia code editor offers when you click on the respective button, so no need to change those (although I don't know whether this is listed in the WP:MoS, but chances might be quite high). And <br /> is basically doing the same as <br>; the difference between them is that the first variant belongs to XHTML while the second variant represents regular, but older HTML. So, I have reverted your changes - but nevertheless, I appreciate your efforts. --Soccer-holic (talk) 15:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Welsh Cup 2008-09[edit]

I stongly disagree with what you are trying to do to the Welsh Cup 2008-09 page. You have switched perfectly servicable tables to templates for no apparent reason. These templates are not used for any other Welsh competition page, or English as far as I can tell. They need to be transcluded every time the page is loaded, they are more work to edit, and contrary to your last edit summary, add no extra information at all. And for what advantage? None as far as I can see. I intend to change them back at some stage, but only when I have time to redo the other rounds as well so you can have your desired consistency. - fchd (talk) 18:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Coupe de la Ligue 2008-09[edit]

Yes. If Bordeaux finish in the European places and win the CDL, Vannes will get the UEFA Cup spot. Only if Vannes were also already qualified for Europe would it revert to the league. - fchd (talk) 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Macedonian Prva Liga 2008-09[edit]

Well I don't know why head-to-head tiebreakers are the second most important in standings classification but I know that they are. And most of the web pages list the teams according to the goal differences until the last week when the final table is made. Isavevski (talk) 20:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Top goalscorers[edit]

I add Macedonian Football as source, although I count the goals myself according to the news they publish after the games are played and I'll shrink the list after the next round. Isavevski (talk) 20:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Armenian Premier League 2009[edit]

It's not decided yet whether there'll be a relegation or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Velo01 (talkcontribs) 22:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC) It will depend, if FC Impuls Dilijian wins, Kilikia will regulate.Whoever is in last place will regulate. comment add by Hovhannesk

Lithuanian A Lyga 2009 - unforeseen development[edit]

Hello Sonji,

please copy and paste the text from this article into Google Translator. It deals with the retreat of FBK Kaunas and FK Atlantas from this year's A Lyga season, which was about to start in April. As of now, the league only consists of five teams and it is (in my opinion) almost sure that the start of the season will be delayed at least if the situation does not settle until the end of next week. In any case, the article needs to be rewritten. I will do what I can, but since you seem to be somewhat deeper in sources for every imaginable country, feel free to participate as well. --Soccer-holic (talk) 23:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, those edit conflicts. I guess that two fools had the same idea at the same time... :-D
Anyway, back to "business". I would suggest to take the most reliable source for standings and results. The update speed from both [] and [Almis page] is unknown to me, but those sources can be considered very reliable. A darkhorse for sources may be [], but the page is still not online. However, it had an Apache server testpage running a few days ago, so content may be to come some time during next week. The official [LFF website] can be considered less useful since there have not been any links for 2008 so far. Nevertheless, if all of the foregoing sound at least doubtful to you, let's use either Soccerway or kicker.
As for LKKA ir Teledema, I would suggest either LKK or L&T as an abbreviation. Both should be resemble the club pretty well.
Finally, as requested, I will create stubs for Banga and... that other club. It has a funny name for my ears, but I'm not (yet) able to recognize it... ;-) Enjoy the WC qualifiers tonight! --Soccer-holic (talk) 19:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Norwegian Cup qualifying rounds[edit]

Generally, I would lean towards not including them just because of their size and because all prior articles did not include them. But on the other hand, although the teams involved may not be notable at all, the qualifying rounds might be up to a certain degree. I assume that those are played out in regional groups though, since you can't make an amateur team from Tromso or probably even Spitsbergen visit Oslo just to play a qualifying round match. In any case, more information about the background (how many teams are involved, how many make it to the First round proper) would be useful, as well as asking someone more familiar with the topic (perhaps User talk:Theilert?) what to do. I'll try if I can find something in terms of sources. Have a nice day, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 10:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

General sources: Official competition rules, Fixture list for QR1. Unfortunately, I have found nothing else. The available results are pretty incomplete as well. only covers those played within the last seven days, plus they give just the scoreline after 90 minutes. NRK has no results from this year. Sources for the qualifying rounds seem to be rather thin-spread anyway. Nevertheless, if those QR matches are to be included, I would suggest to arrange them in three columns, similar to the Norwegian 2008 article, perhaps with reduced font-size (90% or something) via CSS. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 10:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: UEL and UCL 2009-10[edit]

Yo. The seedings are only made on the clubs' coefficients, not their country's. However, a team's club co-efficient includes 20% of it's country's coefficent + the club's results in competition proper. So for leagues with clubs that always get knocked out in the qualifying rounds, their coefficient will just be 20% of the country's regardless of who exactly qualifies. In other cases there might be a limited number of clubs who could possibly qualify in a particular spot, and any of these would (or would not) be seeded. I think the guy who changed trhe page was just copying off Bert Kassies' site

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Eredivisie 2008-2009[edit]

Dear SonjiCeli,

AZ Alkmaar confirmed Eredivisie championship in 2008-2009 due to they were 11 points in the front FC Twente, who were runner up and remained 3 rounds to finishing it. Therefore, AZ must be written as champions of 2008-2009 season.--Cemsentin1 (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Eredivisie 2008-2009[edit]

I understand your objection but AZ won first match 2-0 against Ajax. Ajax may became champions but backbreaking due to PSV, AZ and FC Twente matches.--Cemsentin1 (talk) 22:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Liga I 2008-09[edit]

I agree with you 100 percent that the article has become very messy over the past few weeks. That's why I just took a big hack on it. Nice side effect: The Infobox on the top fits now into the article without colliding with the map. However, there are still two minor issues. The first one is that I did not completely fill up the SbR table. I will do that later today. The second one is the color scheme of said table. It resembles the European places for Spain and Italy. Since the template is now being used on quite a decent number of articles (e.g. Belgium or Turkey), the colors should be changed back to the original gold, silver and bronze denotations or be left out altogether.

Anyway, I have to give you a lot of credit for single-handedly doing all the works for a couple of works now. I would like to help more, but my weekend schedule is extremely tight nowadays and does not allow for extended online coverage. So big thumbs up from me for your work! --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 00:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh well. My university workload does not decrease either, but we will definitely find a solution for this.
Back to business - I have now added the remaining cells of the SbR and further did some cosmetic changes as well. The color issues have been settled as some anon editor just changed it back to the original scheme. However, User:TouLouse seems to go to owning mode regarding the colorful RbR table (see Talk:Liga I 2008-09). Feel free to join the discussion (and also have a quick look at this one as well). Have a nice day, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 12:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

What I vandalized? You don't see that man is playing with fire? I made a nice table, why not let it? Look at other examples: La Liga 2008–09#Scoring, Ligue 1 2008–09#Top goalscorers or Premier League 2008–09#Top scorers. These are fine and that the Liga I 2008-09#Top goalscorers is it? Sorry for my broken English. (talk) 17:04, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
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May 2009[edit]

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What is DG???[edit]

Could you explain what is the meaning of DG next to the points number of Anderlecht and Standard in the Belgian league table?--Nitsansh (talk) 00:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Colors, season articles in general[edit]

I guess the relegation colors are changed to a lighter hue of red because the darker shade might cause difficulties with the readability of the text for some people, especially for those with color blindness - or bad LCD screens. ;-) A part of the problem might also be the English Premier League article series, which sticks to the lighter hue for relegated teams.

I agree that those colors should be unified in one way or another, as well as large parts of season articles in general. Unfortunately, the project has no concrete guidelines on how such articles should look like. So, I would suggest that we both work something out that can be proposed to the community. We can start with User:Soccer-holic/League season article if you like, feel free to edit anything. :-) Other regular contributors to league articles (e.g. Kalaha, Qampunen, GGib, just to name a few) should also be asked before proposing the guideline to WP:FOOTY for approval.

Once we have a consensus going, the colors should be changed to their "final" values.

I just have to see how much time for Wikipedia-related stuff I will have in the next couple of weeks as I might move several hundreds of kilometers soon. It all depends on the outcome of the job interview next Friday. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 13:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I would also contact the others via their talk pages first since most of them have not participated in any project discussions so far. L8er, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 14:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Vaduz, LI cup and note in standings[edit]

I would slightly lean towards no because they won a competition which is irrelevant to the Swiss UEL spots. On the other hand, I'm not sure if they should go completely unmentioned, though... Perhaps add a footnote saying something in the lines of "Vaduz will represent Liechtenstein in the UEL as winners of the LI Cup" or so. Sorry for being so unprecise, but I'm already on a full adrenaline rush... :-( --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 21:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

League guidelines proposal...[edit] currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Season article guideline proposal. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 10:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Maps and club locations[edit]

I would say, but that's just my two cents, that the depicted locations should refer to the ground where a team plays most of its home matches during a season. This is usually the team's own ground, but not in all cases. For example, Cypriot team Anorthosis Famagusta play their home matches in Larnaca because of the political situation, as well as several other teams (see also Cypriot First Division 2009-10). Other, albeit minor, cases are, for example German clubs TSV 1860 Munich and Stuttgarter Kickers, which had to use the grounds of their city rivals Bayern and VfB Stuttgart, respectively, because their own grounds did not satisfy Bundesliga requirements during the 1970s through early 1990s.

On the other hand, if a team splits between two grounds with one of them being their original home ground, the map should point to the latter, with a note under the accompanying table (examples: Hoffenheim and Bayer Leverkusen, Fußball-Bundesliga 2008-09 or Kayserispor, Süper Lig 2008-09). So, if it is foreseeable that the "expatriated" Croatian teams will move back to their original home grounds, just move them to their original locations and include a cited note under the table why another ground has been used.

By the way, the ""Ukrainian model" is not that bad either, although it should only being applied if there is no other way. hth, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 11:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Good question. The main reason why people don't like it seems to be the use of templates for standings and results, which is somewhat odd since the infoboxes, the maps and even the bottom boxes are templates as well. I think the majority of the rejection comes from the use of cryptic parameters. Unfortunately, the current solution is not adjustable without much pain, so I guess we will have to build those from scratch. *sigh* And aside from the template bashing, not one single word over intros, maps, statistics and the likes. As if those articles would only consist of two tables.
As for the colors, the new model seems to have more approval than the old, if we want to stick with different hues for different entry rounds, that is. However, the idea of using only one color for a competition regardless of its round is not that bad either. In any case, I would silently introduce the new hues since the readability is better than with the old scheme, especially for the darker colors.
Inviting any willing people to create a task force for league and cup season article guidelines seems to be the best possible idea for now, otherwise there won't be any approval for stuff like this. People usually are complaining all the time, but don't want to touch the status quo unless it gets really bad. Just like politics. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 12:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League 2009-10[edit]

Thanks for the info and link but may I also address you to the UEFA Europa League 2009-10 where the dates were linked by another user. If what that link states that it is unaceptable then should the same be delinked on that page?


Onshore —Preceding undated comment added 22:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC).

Slovak Superliga 2009-10[edit]

I don't know if you have already noticed, but there had some improvisation to be made regarding the league and results tables for said article. The reason for that is the ****ed up naming for FK Senica, which merged with Superliga promotees FK Inter Bratislava (à la Polonia Warsaw/Groclin Grodzisk Wielkopolski last year). Senica missed to file for the name change in time and thus will be playing under Inter's name for this season.

In any case, this put up a little task to deal with, since the name is pretty much the only thing what is left of Inter as the new club intends to play in Senica. Now it wouldn't have made sense to create a one-season template only, so I played around in my sandbox and finally came to the result to be seen in the article.

The overall look of the tables remains more or less unchanged, but the code behind it is different. In fact, it might probably be the compromise we were looking for earlier this month. So, what if we work out the Superliga article as a concrete implementation of our views and then present it to the community? This might lead to a better understanding, as the proposal looked a little... academic, so to speak. ^^

There is currently not much we can add though, apart from the one or other reference. But this state should improve with the start of the season in three or four weeks, which would still leave enough time to prepare before the "big leagues" start. Comments, opinions? Have a nice day, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 13:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Milano Kumanovo[edit]

They do have problems, but it is not yet certain if they will fall apart. If I hear anything else I will inform you. Isavevski (talk) 14:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Bottom templates; Georgia[edit]

Thanks for the heads-up with The site is definitely a good place for researching. As for the Latin transcription of the Georgian article, my ressources were:

  • One genuine Microsoft Windows Notepad
  • One genuine Wikipedia article
  • 10 minutes of copy+paste

Kind of backdoor access, but it worked nevertheless. Now if only the language wouldn't have so many words starting with multiple consonants, it's almost worse than some character sequences in Polish... xD Anyway, the content of this article was pretty clear, so it wasn't too difficult to find an approximate translation of the heading. We definitely need someone with knowledge of the Georgian language.

Regarding your question about the hide function - yes, it is possible to set the standard behavior to uncollapsed. However, the question is if such a move makes sense at all, and how long it takes until that move will be reverted. If you want to change it though, take a look at the {{Navbox}} documentation. Cya, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 22:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

(Edit) This category might actually be helpful in dealing with our Georgian problem... ;-) I'll try tomorrow if someone from those is willing to assist us...

Azerbaijan Premier League 2009-10[edit]

I am just going to confirm that there will be 12 teams this year in Azeri Premier League, which means both FK Karvan and PFC Turan Tovuz will not going to participate in Azerbaijani First Division.--NovaSkola (talk) 13:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

  • so far nothing has changed. 2 cycles with 12 teams (22 games) and then 2 cycles with top 6 teams battling for medals (10 games) and 6 bottom teams battling for the spot in the APL. Therefore each team will play 32 games which is an equivalent of having a 17-team championship.--NovaSkola (talk) 02:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Cypriotic football players[edit]

Hi SonjiCeli. I see that you worked on Cypriot First Division 2008–09. There are some deletion requests for Cypriotic football players as it is unknown if this league if professsional. According to fr:Championnat de Chypre de football this league is professional, according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues the league is not professional Can you help to find reliable ressources that this league is professional to prevent deletion of Michael Felgate and perhaps more players in Category:AfD debates (Games or sports)? --Ilion2 (talk) 06:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

FK Mughan[edit]

Hei, could you please upload logo for the FK Mughan. I got logo with low resolution but I can't attach.--NovaSkola (talk) 07:32, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Big thanks, hopefully they will not remove it--NovaSkola (talk) 19:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Umaglesi Liga[edit]

You are right, I'm georgian, but i can speaking english little.
1. There wiil be 36 rounds played this season and every team plays against every other team 4 times
2. Meskheti withdrew from the league due to financial reasons, Mglebi merged with Baia
3. Gagra and Spartaki Tskhinvali were not relegated, because they took profitable places in Umaglesi Liga 2008–09
4. Ameri Tbilisi were not promoted to the league due to financial reasons (remember why Ameri Tbilisi relegated to the pirveli liga 2008-09).
5. The match of Umaglesi Liga 2009–10 between Baia and Olimpi was in Zugdidi. The match finished 2–1 for Olimpi, who played away, Baia played at home (Baia 1–2 Olimpi)

Please Forgive me for my bad englsh --BRUTE (talk) 08:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Premier League Draw[edit]

In case you require this info:

2009-2010 Azerbaijan Premier League draw has been held today. As a result of the draw Premier League first tour matches starting on 14-16 August will be held by the order mentioned bellow: "Khazar-Lankaran" - "Baki" "Inter" - "Karvan" "Olimpik" - "Neftchi" "Turan" - "Garabag" "Gabala" - "Simurg" "Mugan" - "Standard"

--NovaSkola (talk) 17:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Step one has been done...[edit]

...the task force has been founded. Please sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Season article task force... :-) --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 21:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Just one question[edit]

The information should be in both articles. I think the 2008 article was simply forgotten to be updated since the events were relatively close to the scheduled start of the 2009 season, which also explains the good coverage in the 2009 article.

In general, the final tables should contain the official final standings as given by the governing body of the competition. If a team is relegated because of non-sportive criteria, it should be mentioned under the table, along with a citation.

For the 2008–09 season, I can remember three incidents which can serve as examples. Kickers Emden, a German 3rd Liga team, voluntarily withdrew their license because of financial problems. The team was left in 6th place, but was marked as relegated, along with the reason (see 3rd Liga 2008–09). The tedious episode surrounding LKS Lodz in the Polish Ekstraklasa, where the team was put into last place by the PZPN, serves as the second example. Finally, the dissolution of Estonian team TVMK Tallinn after the conclusion of Meistriliiga 2008 is example #3. All three moves are also mentioned in the respective 2009(-10) articles. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 15:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Europa League 2009-10 Group stage[edit]

Excuse me, please redo the fixture list again. Raymond Giggs 19:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Azerbaijan Premier League[edit]

Done. I will also drop NovaSkola a note in a few seconds. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 16:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

  • No probs ova Barnstar, You really deserved it. It is just, Wikipedia must make sure it should ban anonym.IP's , I know in football topics it is not that bad but in other places, Dear God--NovaSkola (talk) 20:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Umaglesi Liga[edit]

Well, that match will not be played again. In this article is reported that match was played out of princeple "Fairly match", in non-sporting fight. The original score (0–1) was abolished and both teams were given three goals against. Besides, both teams will pay a fine with 1000 larisბრუტ (talk) 11:10, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Cup 2010/2011[edit]

Azerbaijan cup 2010/2011 changed its format as Quarter finals, semis will be 2 legged, while all other games will be 1 legged--NovaSkola (talk) 15:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Update: League's format 95% will be returned to the regular format, however there are currently unknown how many teams will participate as Federation may reduce clubs to the 10 and 4 games per club, on other hand due First Division clubs protest, it is more likely we'll see 12 clubs or even 14, if Federation will change relegation rule.--NovaSkola (talk) 02:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

2009–10 Israeli Premier League[edit]

Which do you is better for the page?
0-- HonorTheKing (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Tnx m8 for your opinion, I like the first one better aswell.
0-- HonorTheKing (talk) 12:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Belarus 2010[edit]

You pointed me to the the article 2010–11 UEFA Europa League, but 2010/11 EL is irrelevant to Belarusian 2010 league (winners of which will qualify for 2011/12 season). Bert's site doesn't have an access list for 11/12 season yet too. However, I agree that I was most probably wrong about 2nd placed team because Belarus jumped from 33rd place to 28th in this season's ranking, and teams from places 28-32 send 2nd place and cup winner to QR2.

Also, I'm not sure about using head-to-head column in the league table. First, it looks ugly, and even uglier on smaller monitors (1024x756). Second, I'm not sure about the order of tiebrakers for this season because this season is the first where teams play 3 times, not twice. I'll try to found a source on belarusian sites. (Where are you from, BTW?)--NineInchRuiner (talk) 14:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok, disregard the first paragraph as I finally noticed your next comment. --NineInchRuiner (talk) 14:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
The source is good. Still, if it was up to me, I'd not show this tiebreaker at all until the season is finished, and after the last matchday I would just add the comment under the table.--NineInchRuiner (talk) 15:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


Hello, I have small favour. Both Gabala FC and Olimpik Baku got new logos which has to be updated, and I don't know how to upload logos in wiki commons. Could u add if this not big hassle?--NovaSkola (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Gabala's new logo

Olimpik's new logo

armenian women's football league[edit]

I noticed you edited the armenian league a lot. I created some league-articles for this template. Armenia troubles me. Does a women's league exist? Do you have info or a link? -Koppapa (talk) 16:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Liga III[edit]

Tin intai sa te felicit pentru munca de pe acest articol. in al doilea rand, esti sigur ca farul 2 e formatia trebuie sa retrogradeze de pe locul 12? :) pt ca se iau in considerare doar rezultatele impotriva echipelor clasate pe 1-11, iar eu nu am avut timp sa stau sa verific la toate cele 6 serii sa vad daca e asa :)

Re: Re: Liga III[edit]

Dude, you rule :). I can't figure out why someone from another country would bother with our third league of football :)). I thought i was the only one, in my country even, that enters there, hence the not speaking english part :). figure out my surprise when you told me you weren't romanian. anyway, congrats again, and if you want to talk more directly, you cand find me at on the messenger. Bye Vlad9 (talk) 00:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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Deletion review for 2011–12 Hannover 96 Season[edit]

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Can you help me editing old seasons of Liga II. Thanks. If everyone will edit 1-2 seasons, all seasons will be done by the end of the year !--Alexiulian25 (talk) 01:48, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

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