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Akan[edit]

Hello Mark - I would like to help you, but one of the links doesn't appear to mention the Akan or any of its various subgroups. The other link does include data on the Ewe and Fante Akan subgroups. However, it ultimately combines that material with data from other populations in the Niger-Congo language family [1], so it's not possible to make out from this what exactly is the data on the Akan alone. Soupforone (talk) 00:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank's for taking interest in helping me Soupforone. What I was aiming for, is to use the Fante data, who are an Akan subgroup, to be used to represent all of the Akan people subgroups data, since the Fante and all of the Akan people subgroups share the same migration pattern and history from the Sahel to their current locations. The Fante migrated to and from Bonoman as did all of the Akan subgroups. MarkMysoe (talk) 02:42, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Glad to help out if I can. The main issue at the moment is that the link above does not seem to give individual data on the Akan or any of its subgroups, including the Fante. I've searched for figures on the Akan alone and didn't find anything. If you know of other material that does, however, that would be a good starting point, and we can work from there. Soupforone (talk) 08:29, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

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have a look Shrikanthv (talk) 07:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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have a look now. Shrikanthv (talk) 09:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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Apologies[edit]

Apologies for the confusion, Soupforone, I misread the History of the page. You're right, it was a different user. That's my inexperience on Wikipedia for you - sorry about that! Nebuliser (talk) 18:14, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Soupforone (talk) 22:22, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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Regarding Black people[edit]

Hello, Soupforone. I see that you have reverted my edit here, but left no explanation in the edit summery. Could you explain why? Afro-Eurasian (talk) 02:34, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I've opened a discussion here. Afro-Eurasian (talk) 16:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

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May I draw your attention...[edit]

...to this? BMK, Grouchy Realist (talk) 13:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

And again[edit]

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Ancient Egyptian race controversy[edit]

Hi Soup41. Please see my post at Ancient Egyptian race controversy talk. Thanks Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 01:25, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Negroid[edit]

Sorry for giving you a hard time about Negroid. I wasn't keeping in mind that in the 20th century anthropologists had a completely different concept of the Negroid branches. Omo Obatalá (talk) 13:50, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Typology is actually pretty frozen in time. Soupforone (talk) 00:27, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Rosy pink Mediterraneans[edit]

Hi Soupforone. Some Mediterraneans are "Rosy pink"? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 18:10, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Coon indicated that Mediterraneans can be pink to brown in tone. It seems that he was perhaps right given the swarthy, yet blue-eyed La Braña specimen [2]. Soupforone (talk) 01:24, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Made a slight change - see if it works foor you. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 11:53, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that is what Coon writes in his The Story of the Middle East. However, in his major treatise The Races of Europe, he indicates that it's from pink to reddish to light or dark brown tones (like the La Braña specimen). Soupforone (talk) 01:04, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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A question for an Edit (Mediterranean Race)[edit]

Is it according to include this passage (which was once included in that article) and is informative and sourced: >>> In 1901, The Nation magazine summed up the studies and origin theories of Sergi, Brinton and Keane as follows: "The Mediterranean family of races includes Iberians, Ligurians, Pelasgians, Khatti (Hethei, Chittim. or Hittite), and Libyans. It is to be understood that, probably in Quaternary times, the ancestors of all these peoples came from northern Africa."[1] According to the studies by the American anthropologist Madison Grant (added in his book The passing of the great Race) "The Berbers of north Africa to-day [1922] are racially identical with the Spaniards and south Italians while the ancient Egyptians and their modern descendants, the fellaheen, are merely well marked varieties of this Mediterranean race."[2] <<< ; If possible, it would be placed below the info of the Saharan origins after Note [15]; Agilulf2007 (talk) 00:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey there - magazine pieces and articles aren't really reliable sources for anthropology. It would be better to link directly to Sergi, Brinton, Keane and Madison's works. Soupforone (talk) 02:52, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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Negritos[edit]

I thought the sentence I added to the lead of the article was acceptable, especially considering that it's sourced. Even in Asian countries where English is widely spoken, the term "black" refers to those of African descent. The Siddi are considered the only "blacks" in India despite the fact that many Tamils are equally dark. But if that sentence seems misleading, then I'm fine with its removal. I also moved the Middle East into its own section because it's already divided into sub-sections and I think the topic of blacks in the Middle East is quite a separate one from the rest of Asia. Even then, I could accept if this separation is rejected for whatever reason. However, I cannot accept that you removed my edits to the section on Negritos. First of all, I never said they're confined to Thailand. I said they "once populated Thailand and other parts of Asia", which they did. They moved southward from Thailand into the Malay Archipelago where they still live today. Do you deny this in spite of sources? Furthermore, despite their skin tone and the ridiculous name given to them by Europeans, Negritos are not ever considered black. When anyone talks about "black people" they do not and should not include Negritos. As a Southeast Asian myself, I can tell you that nobody here ever refers to Negritos as black. We reserve that term for people of African descent, even though there are no ethnic Africans here. If you were to ever call a Negrito black, they would be as offended as an African-American might feel if you used the word nigger. Not only that, I don't see why you have to include the "are believed to be the original inhabitants" as if the fact is in doubt. The "out of Africa" link is irrelevant, and is only included to imply some African connection. Yes they came from Africa, but so did Caucasians, Chinese, native Americans, and every human everywhere. There is nothing more African about Negritos than any other ethnic group. They are not "Afro-Asian" and they are not Africans living in Asia. Their languages and cultures have no significant African connection. The only reason I'm not arguing for the removal of the section altogether is because the word "negrito" does indeed mean black. My information is sourced and I will add it again. If you want to remove sourced material, discuss it first before removing it. Morinae (talk) 11:36, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

You wrote that the Negritos were now confined to the Malay Archipelago and parts of South Asia, which is false. They traditionally inhabit a much wider area than that (like the Aeta autochthones of the Phillipines). And yes, the "black" concept obviously varies per region around the world and always has. In certain regions, the concept doesn't even exist at all. See Dasa, for example - they are believed to have been the "blacks" of the Vedas [3]. Regards -- Soupforone (talk) 01:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

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Meknes[edit]

I see you changed the "official" name (and the first word in the article) from Meknes to Meknès. I believe the purpose of the "official" name is to give a full name (in English) of something commonly known by a shorter name. Examples: Principality of Monaco, Commonwealth of Virginia. The "official" non-English name of Meknes is either Arabic or Berber, the official languages of Morocco, so the French name Meknès is inappropriate, especially since Meknes (with no accent) is a perfectly good and well-known English name for the city. I will change it back unless you object. Lisztmacher (talk) 14:46, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I noted parenthetically that Miknasa are Imeknasen. I do agree though that the first "Meknes" should match the title, so that's with an unaccented "e". Soupforone (talk) 03:25, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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Middayexpress[edit]

Do you know the user called Middayexpress? Some of your edits are very similar.BrumEduResearch (talk) 16:14, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I did read through parts of the Good Article and other talk page sections, but I'm only really interested in the National Association population estimate and designation for the various Arab world populations. Basically, that one sentence I proferred alternative wording for. Please see my suggestion - let me know there if it's true to your experience as a teacher. The category may be top level in Wales. Soupforone (talk) 05:04, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for not assuming good faith. I just think your desire to reflect that Somalis view themselves as not Black is clouding your judgement of how the Brit govt. classifies them.BrumEduResearch (talk) 22:52, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
The government classifications seem to be variable. Please see the departmental links there. Soupforone (talk) 03:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
The classifications are the same. All the stats are entered on one system with one set of codes. Just because some people describe them wrong doesn't change that.BrumEduResearch (talk) 23:13, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
I understand, but please see the England and Wales department links there. Soupforone (talk) 03:26, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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  1. ^ The Nation (1901). The Nation - Vol.73. New York. 
  2. ^ Grant, Madison (1922). The Passing of the Great Race. New York.