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Independent Olympic Athletes[edit]

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Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics[edit]

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Oxfordshire County Council election, 2013[edit]

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Gedling Borough Council election, 2015[edit]

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Lance Armstrong verb tense to use in referring to WC victory status[edit]

Hi. Just curious about the revert/undo on shifting the tense of 'to be' from is to was and then back again w/r/t Armstrong being the 1993 World Champion. I haven't combed through the MOS or anything, and I don't think cycling wikiproject has had this issue before, but it seems to me that when discussing world championship winners, only the winner of the most recent race and therefore the reigning World Champion is referred to in the present tense. Like, you wouldn't say, "Greg LeMond is the 1986 World Champion." You'd say, "Greg LeMond /was/ the 1986 World Champion." "Peter Sagan /was/ the 2015 World Champion." "Peter Sagan is the reigning World Champion."

btw: This has nothing to do w/ my trying to rhetorically "strip" Lance of another victory, if that's something that might concern you. Heck, I'm friendly with the guy and we've never had a problem. It just seems a bit of unnatural language to refer to someone in the present tense when describing a world championship title they won years previously, which has subsequently been held by a bunch of different riders. Anyway, hit me back and let me know what you think. If you can direct me to some other usages of this convention in articles on cyclists who were world champions, that would help. Regardless, cheers! joepaT 18:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

As he was and still is the 1993 world champion the tense in this case which I have used is intentional to create the distinction between the stripped results and the still valid results, for example he was the 2000 Tour de France champion, Braley Wiggins is the 2012 Tour de France champion. in this context is, refers to a perpetual now, was in this context means it was also taken away. So the change in tense is intentional for the Armstrong article to clear up all ambiguity. Sport and politics (talk) 19:08, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
So, if I understand you correctly, your thinking is that because Armstrong has had results stripped, in order to limit potential for confusion and ensure clarity as to which victories he retains, describe him as 1993 world champ in present tense? joepaT 15:55, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
You are correct as he is still the 1993 world champion, that victory stands, the 1999 Tour de France was a title he held, he no longer holds that title. Sport and politics (talk) 17:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Also w/r/t LeMond I would say he is the 1986 world champion in a biographical context. Sport and politics (talk) 17:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

December 11, 2016[edit]

Euston tube station changes[edit]

Apologies for reverting your changes without comment. The tool that should be putting the message in the edit message box does not seem to be working for me at the moment. The reason I reverted the changes is that the convention for tube articles is to put just years in the key dates section of the infobox and the items that you added were not significant. You also introduced an error in one of the refs.--DavidCane (talk) 11:48, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Please show where the convention of years only is written down, and where/when it was decided. Otherwise how is it supposed to be known that such a convention/consensus exists. Please also not that the current London transport articles some include full dates and some do not. I think a full discussion on inclusion of full dates or just years is needed. I personally find only the years to be confusing as what happens when multiple things happen in the same year? Also please justify on the article talk page why these and not other event are/are not significant.Sport and politics (talk) 11:53, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps it does need to be more firmly written down, but the parameter is named years and has been since it was introduced in in June 2006. The example in the Template:Infobox London station page uses years only for dates and most of examples in Wikipedia:WikiProject London Transport/How to write about stations use years only. The one that doesn't, Quainton Road railway station, uses a mixture of full dates and years only that looks incomplete. I think you will find that the majority of the tube station articles follow this pattern.
The purpose of the infobox is to summarise the article, so only the most important events need to be included in the infobox - openings and closings of lines and the like. It's unlikely that more than one event needs to be recorded for a single year, but if that is the case use a </br> in the event field to force a new line. The reason I removed the closure of the surface buildings, the demolition of the C&SLR building and the closure of the connecting passages (the date of which is not mentioned in the article anyway) is that they did not substantially affect the operation of the station. Most tube stations in central London have undergone some reconstruction at some stage and changes of this degree are not important enough to warrant inclusion in the infobox.--DavidCane (talk) 15:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
I think that a wider discussion is needed here on the use of only years. A wikiportal with examples does equate to a wider consensus, that is purely a guide. A quick look at real, not example, tube station articles gives a real mix of years only, full dates , and years and full dates. This shows the organic use of the parameters by the wider community is not as is being claimed.
A discussion on the Euston Tube talk page is needed on the "key events".
This clearly needs a good and wide discussion.
--Sport and politics (talk) 20:10, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
I didn't claim that the wider community was working in a consistent manner; on Wikipedia it seldom does, which is why we have templates, manuals of styles and the rest to try to bring a degree of uniformity to the 'pedia. That some stations do not confirm to the standard of the WikiProject does not mean that the standard is invalid. It might mean that articles need to be maintained. It might also mean that the project needs to codify its standards more clearly and patrol its articles more assiduously. A discussion on this should take place on the WikiProject London Transport talk page.
If you want to start a discussion on the Euston tube article about key issues, feel free, The starting point of the article should be the condition before your proposed changes.
--DavidCane (talk) 12:20, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Archiving[edit]

By the way, when Linguist111 suggested above that you archive some of your talk page, what they meant was that you create a subpage of this talk page and move older items to it rather than enclose individual items in archived discussion boxes. This helps the page to load quicker. There are templates to help with this - have a look at {{archive box}} and {{talkarchive}}. For an example in use have a look at my talk page.--DavidCane (talk) 12:40, 21 January 2017 (UTC)