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Welcome to Wikipedia: check out the Teahouse![edit]

Challenge/Ramsdens Cup.[edit]

Independent Olympic Athletes[edit]

The three additional athletes[edit]

IOP/IOA Merge[edit]

Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics[edit]

Username[edit]

Removal of comment[edit]

Query[edit]

Disengage[edit]

My Talk page[edit]

Disambiguation link notification for August 19[edit]

August 2012[edit]

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion[edit]

Notice of Wikiquette Assistance discussion[edit]

Please fill out our brief Teahouse guest survey[edit]

Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics[edit]

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion[edit]

Version you accepted minus one detail[edit]

Olive branch[edit]

Hello, from a DR/N volunteer[edit]

ANI of Andromedean[edit]

Further discussion on Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics[edit]

Andromedean's addition to Skyring's obsession - Thanks[edit]

Bisexuality and Pansexuality[edit]

RfC on HiLo[edit]

December 2012[edit]

ANI Notice[edit]

High-tech warfare[edit]

Disambiguation link notification for December 22[edit]

Title and text match up[edit]

Tried the mayor question[edit]

Speedy deletion nomination of Bristol 1st[edit]

Adding info from table[edit]

County council articles[edit]

Isle of Wight Council election[edit]

AEGON Championships[edit]

Improper summaries[edit]

Talk:Unified Patent Court#detailed table[edit]

Unsigned comment[edit]

Unified Patent Court[edit]

Indian GP[edit]

August 2013[edit]

Article Feedback Tool update[edit]

Stephen Williams MP[edit]

Tom Brake MP[edit]

Julian Huppert MP[edit]

Universal Credit/sandbox[edit]

Changing names of races[edit]

WP:OWN[edit]

Disengaging[edit]

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion[edit]

Speedy deletion nomination of Hands Off Tamworth Schools/meta/shortname[edit]

Speedy deletion nomination of Hands Off Tamworth Schools/meta/shortname[edit]

Mike Hancock[edit]

Hello Sport and politics, I see that you have very swiftly reverted my edits to Mike Hancock. As a result, the page again says that he's a Liberal Democrat councillor in Portsmouth, which is wrong. He has been suspended by the party and is now an independent councillor, one of the reasons I edited the page. Please explain. Eric Blatant (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

My apologies for that oversight, the Over-linking and chaining of the English is what I was reverting as it is fine as it is if I have accidentally reverted his party status I thtas an error on my part. Sport and politics (talk) 18:19, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
We're probably not going to agree, but I think I only added three links to other Wikipedia pages. They were:
 Portsmouth City Council, where Hancock is a councillor.
 Fratton, the part of Portsmouth where his council ward is situated.
 The SDP, the party for which he won a seat in parliament.

I suggest that they are all important parts of Hancock's life, about which readers justifiably might want to know more, and not 'over-linking'.

I also explained that Mencap is a charity and gave the correct first name of his Russian researcher, which seemed to be wrong throughout. I corrected the capitalisation of various words which aren't proper nouns and shouldn't be capped up, such as police, general election and parliament. I don't do 'edit warring' and I won't touch your page again, but I do feel that your reversion was wrong. Eric Blatant (talk) 19:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Overlinking is explained here at WP:overlink which basically says if a link is used once don't use the same link again and again and SDP and Liberal Democrats for example are used over and over in the article and should only really be used once as for the English there is no need to change to separate wording when single words are just as accepted and in the dictionary. I hope this helps do some explaining. Adding extra info on Mencap please go ahead as long as it is reliably sourced and notable. Sport and politics (talk) 23:43, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Please don't presume that I need Wikipedia's policy on overlinking explained to me. At no point did I add a link to the Liberal Democrats. Fratton and Portsmouth City Council were not previously linked. I did add one to the SDP at its first mention, and granted, it was linked once later in the article, but in that case the correct course of action if you thought my mistake serious enough would have been to remove one of the SDP links rather than reverting everything with one thoughtless keystroke. I have no interest in adding 'extra info' on Mencap other than that it's a charity, a necessary explanation. So did you REALLY revert the whole edit because I believe 'front bench' and 'back bench' should be two words when used as nouns, even though you yourself don't think that's wrong? By doing so, you have also re-introduced what I think are basic factual errors which outweigh your other niggles by a considerable margin. Eric Blatant (talk) 22:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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Oxfordshire County Council election, 2013[edit]

Hi, re your edit summary "undid unhelpful reversion the edit did no such thing as "damage" as weirdly claimed." Please check your original edit: it left redlinks in the sections Summary (to Template:Liberal Democrat/meta/color); in Abingdon East (to Template:Liberal Democrat/meta/color and Template:Liberal Democrat/meta/shortname); in Banbury Hardwick (two instances of Template:Election box candidate with party lin); in Grove & Wantage (two instances of Template:Liberal Democrat/meta/color and two of Template:Liberal Democrat/meta/shortname); and in Wheatley (to Template:Election box candidate with party lin). If that wasn't damage, would you please explain what it was?

Although your subsequent edits have addressed the redlink template problem, you have now left the page in a state where it says {{{change}}} on every single candidate row, and every single turnout row. Do you intend to fix that? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:37, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

The page is in the process of an update and I thought I had put the template on the page to reflect that if not I will add that template. The page has so many issues that doing it all in one go is not good due to the time sitting at a screen. Sport and politics (talk) 20:43, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Middle names[edit]

Please will you revert this edit, per WP:BRD. Then please explain on what policy or guideline you shortened these names? --Redrose64 (talk) 00:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

No I am not going to. Please see the link provided on the talk page of that article for the reasoning why. I am willing to discuss this matter on that articles talk page. I will add the middle names if the consensus on the article talk page or in the wider wiiprojects comes to that conclusion. The current discussions have centred around demonstrating the middle names are not the commonly used names and the link provided gives an example of this being the case in this instance. Sport and politics (talk) 00:13, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


Nottingham County Council elections 2013[edit]

Hi why have you put down an N/A variance? This makes no sense. if a party had not stood before in an election and got 20% the variance would be +20%. Your variance percentages in multi wards are wrong too. [9] --Verzarli (talk) 15:54, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

If a party has never stood a candidate before then there is no base from which to go up or down from. If a party had stood before and recieveed zero votes and the next time recieve 20% of the votes cast, then it would by +20%. As the parties have never stood before there can be no up or down from a previous result as no previous result for that party exists. The same rule applies to independent politicians who have not stood before. Also if a party has stood candidates before in a preious multi-member ward then there is a base to work from if they have stood more or less candidates than prviously then the +- figure is for the number of candidates previously stood working from top to bottom. If a party stood 3 candidates last time but only 2 this time thn the higest position is comapred with the highest position previously to give +- figure for the higest finishing candidate is compared across both elections and the second candate the second position candidates across both elections and so on. If 3 candidates are stood this time and only 2 candidates were stood last then the third higest candidate would get N/A and the top two based on the previous criteria. It is very logical and very simple. Can you please explian what is wrong in this logical and simple +- set of figures. Sport and politics (talk) 00:06, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Well I guess that is one method which has some logic behind it now you have explained your way of doing it. But it is also prefectly acceptable that if a party/independent had not stood before the variance would be a +figure of there percentage. However I'll will not delete your variance colum and I may use your method to help complete it in due course, unless you beat me too it ;-) --Verzarli (talk) 18:21, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you :) Sport and politics (talk) 18:28, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Are you still working on your variance column?, You have also left a format error in Calverton. --Verzarli (talk) 00:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

I will be starting again shortly please leave the variance columns already in place Sport and politics (talk) 10:02, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

No probs. Ps i've fixed the error in the Calverton variance column.--Verzarli (talk) 22:36, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Gedling Borough Council election, 2011[edit]

Local politicians use this page and like to by election section where it is for ease of viewing. We want this section kepted in, please do not remove. These by-elections all relate to the 2011 cycle. There is no reason for you to delete them. Please stop.

(cur | prev) 15:02, 22 February 2014‎ Verzarli (talk | contribs)‎ . . (42,622 bytes) (+3,106)‎ . . (These by-election relate to the 2011 cycle. There is no reason to delete them!) (undo) (cur | prev) 21:52, 19 February 2014‎ Sport and politics (talk | contribs)‎ . . (39,516 bytes) (-3,106)‎ . . (Cleaned up and removed by elections to local elections page by election go on Local Authority Local elections page.) (undo | thank) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verzarli (talkcontribs) --Verzarli (talk) 15:55, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Local politicians can use the page all they want. The norms on Wikpedia are not to include bye-elections on the results pages for specific year elections as the elections pages are not necessarily for the term of the councillors elected or for the whole council. As in some cases areas elect by half or by third and uniformity needs to be maintained across all election articles, for the same or similar types of elections. In this case UK local goivernment elections for tier 1 and tier 2 Local Authorities. Sport and politics (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with your personal view. By-elections are useful and relevant, they should be on the page as they relate to those elected in 2011 as mid term resigned thus all part of the same cycle.--Verzarli (talk) 07:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

The bye-elections are not the elections which took place. The elections which took place were the standard 2011 elections, so the inclusion of the bye-elections are unhelpful, confusing and are already available and consolidated in the Gedling local elections page, as such they should not be on the 2011 page and nor should any other bye-elections. It is also unnecessary information duplication including it on the 2011 page. Sport and politics (talk) 18:21, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

We independent & small party members with no money or resource use this wiki page for a reference and strategy planning guides. It makes life easier for us locals to have all the data to hand on one page. We believe by-elections on our local election page are helpful as all the data is on one page at a glance and it all relates to the 2011 - 2015 Council term, we don't always spot data on other pages, which it could be in one place. This page is really useful to us. Please stop deleting the data we local's want to use for our local election planning. --Verzarli (talk) 18:33, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't mean to sound crass here but do you represent a small political party and or an independent candidate or are you yourself either of the two. If so please can you declare the relevant interest and potential conflict of interest. Can you also please define who We is as on Wikipedia unless you have reliable sources you can only express your personal opinion and not claim to represent others views or opinions without a reliable source, as if untrue, may breach certain rules. Wikipedia has its accepted guides and standards and the guides and standards in this regard are not to include the Bye-elections a you want them included. If you wish to challenge this please build a consensus to demonstrate support for your position. the guidelines can be found here WP:consensus. Sport and politics (talk) 18:39, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Myself and friends may or may not be setting up a small local issues party in the East Mids at some stage in the future, nothing has been decided as of yet. In addition I have contributed to political results pages out of genuine interest across the UK, and have been thanked by members of the all the main parties, some smaller parties and independents for my contributions. --Verzarli (talk) 18:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

In the UK the correct spelling is ‘By-Election’ not ‘Bye-Election’ please amend back. The correct terminology is confirmed on Gedling Borough Council web-site relating to By-elections, as is spelt as "By-election". As per link http://www.gedling.gov.uk/councillorsmeetings/elections/gedlingby-election/ --Verzarli (talk) 12:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Tee use of either spelling is wholly acceptable. --Sport and politics (talk) 23:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

No probs then, I've altered it to 'by-election' :-) --Verzarli (talk) 00:12, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

helping each other[edit]

There are pages which are half finished on Wiki or some elections have no page at all. It would be useful if people like you and me who have an interest in politics work togther to finish them? Rather then undo each others work on established/finish pages. Here is an example of an unfinished page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_County_Council_election,_2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verzarli (talkcontribs) 15:42, 22 February 2014 (UTC) --Verzarli (talk) 15:55, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I am very hapy to help expand the other atricles. It would though be even more helpful to Wikipedia as a whole and far more constructive if highly constructive clean up edits were not undone. The edits reverted to are out of line with wikipedia standards and norms for election articles in UK local authorities. Reverting in the manner which is being done by yourself is unconstructive and unhelpful. If you can justify why your style must be used please do so. Otherwise please do not undo what is done to move an article to be inline with norms of wikipedia. Sport and politics (talk) 00:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I've got no problem working with you. I will not delete your variance column. Please stop deleting my/other people's by-election selections, the by election section are relevant and extremely useful to us. No one else has an issue with the by-election section. --Verzarli (talk) 18:38, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you read WP:own as sections and edits are not yours and may be edited or removed by anyone. Please also define who us is and Wikiepida is not for WP:Advocacy. Please also do not asume that no-one else has taken issue just because the issue has not been raised with you or other you know. Sport and politics (talk) 18:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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N/A percent change in elections[edit]

Hi, percentages changes in elections in which a party has not stood before from a previous election are generally shown. Most media outlets do not indicate them as an N/A but give a percentage including when the BBC report on elections.

As an example on the 'English elections page' www.englishelections.org.uk - St. John's ward of Fylde Borough Council, Fylde Ratepayers got 65.7%, they did not stand before so the percentage change is shown as +65.7% not as an N/A percentage change.

http://www.englishelections.org.uk/england/lby/northwest/stjohns.php

--90.217.160.107 (talk) 21:30, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

News outlets can do what they like the overwhelming norm and practice on Wikipedia is N/A for parties which have not stood before, if you wish to challenge this norm please gain consensus on the relevant wikiproject. The N/A is two fold, there can be no percentage increase from no base as the percentage increase is mathematically infinite not +_ the percentage they got in that election it would only be that if the party/candidate had stood before and received no votes. The second is it shows easily and properly who stood before and who did not. Sport and politics (talk) 13:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

An N/A varient is not the norm on wikipedia. Please provide the evidence to back up your statement. Mathemitically the starting base for a party who has never stood before is 0%. There the variant will be a +. --90.217.160.107 (talk) 09:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

A quick look at UK parliamentary election results articles will demonstrate the use of N/A do not use anything other than N/A for a party which has never stood before. Also mathematically a 0% base is wrong there is no base if a party has never stood before not a 0% base. See Haltemprice and Howden by-election, 2008 as the best example. Sport and politics (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Can you set up a consent vote. I have no idea how to do it myself as newish. But, I agree with the other person. I would vote for a plus percentage over a N/A variance. There are also lots of example on Wiki where a plus percentage is shown for a new party. If you look at the Leicester South seat both systems are being used, I think we need to use one system or the other... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_South_%28UK_Parliament_constituency%29#Elections_in_the_2010s

--Nottingham Politics (talk) 10:56, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

No, a vote cannot be setup as it violates one of the five pillars of Wikipedia as Wikipedia is Wikipedia is not a democracy, If you wish to challenge the current consensus or which to raise this issue please do so on the talk page of the relevant Wikiproject WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom. Sport and politics (talk) 14:37, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Gedling Borough Council 2015[edit]

You have no right to remove the article, it was approved by the wiki moderators. Everytime you remove the aticle i'll simply add it back in, and put it to dispute.

--Nottingham Politics (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

No one owns an article and any editing which is not vandalism can be undertaken to any article. Redirecting to a more appropriate page is perfectly valid as a an editing action. Please calm down and I strongly suggest reading the Five Pillars of Wikipedia. 21:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Redirection undone. No one owns the article including you!!! So stop being a hypocrite. It is not for you to bully other writers, therefore I suggest you back off. Article added back, and every time you remove/re-direct it. It will be added back.

--Nottingham Politics (talk) 06:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

The 2014 elections have not taken place yet if you wish to discuss this further I suggest you take to the revenant Wikiproject otherwise please stop engaging in aggressive an ownership behaviour. Just because you like the article and want the information and the article to remain the way you have created it does not mean you have the right to impose this on the rest of wikipedia. The standard Wikipedia length of time before an article is created is in relation to elections especially minor municipal election such as this ne is a couple of months before the election is to be held. This far out there is no guarantee the council elections will occur and the Government could decided to postpone or cancel these elections for some reason such as creating a unitary authority. Having an article for an election this far out is a lear violation of WP:CRYSTAL. he only way round this for you is to provide some independent and verifiable third party sources on the 2015 Gedling Council elections and the sources must relate directly to these elections in 2015 in Gedling Borough. Failure to do so will result in the article being deleted or redirected.Sport and politics (talk) 15:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Redirection undone. I have also saved all the coding so will go back up again if deleted.

Elections are happening and are scheduled: http://www.gedling.gov.uk/councillorsmeetings/elections/scheduledelections/ Boundary changes have been approved: http://www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/east-midlands/nottinghamshire/gedling-fer

--Nottingham Politics (talk) 22:18, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Err, can we all keep the peace as this seems like an editing war and seems overdone on both sides. Nottingham politics, you need to calm down... Sport & politics, this article seems pretty good and useful to be honest... and saves me a job!  :-) Is there a compromise you can reach with Nottingham_poltics to allow his article to stay up? Both of you need to re-read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Own

--Verzarli (talk) 05:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I haven't "deleted" the article the content remains there. There though must be waiting for closer to the time for the article. It is too far in to the future and violates WP:Crystal. When the election comes rolling round and April 2015 comes round the redirect can be removed. Simply leave the page re-directed with the content hidden that way there is no article for a set of elections which may not occur and has no independent third party sources to verify. The article is a prime candidate for deletion if it remains unredirected. Editor convenience is a very poor reason to retain the article in visible form. Sport and politics (talk) 07:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

BLP[edit]

When editing articles under the purview of WP:BLP (this includes recently deceased people), please ensure that you use reliable, secondary sources, especially when making changes which are likely to be controversial. Regards Basalisk inspect damageberate 16:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

We appear to be having a crossing conversation here lets move the conversation to here for convenience.

Please see my reply on my talk page. If you re-add the information I will block you. Basalisk inspect damageberate 17:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)