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Tu ne cede malis[edit]

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Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations[edit]

The sexual assaults were as you point out, assaults. The dressing room visits are sexual harassment since trump owned the pageant at the time. Please don't confuse the two. He did both of them so please stop removing sexual harassment references from the article. Trump is guilty of doing both. Octoberwoodland (talk) 17:55, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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March 2017[edit]

Information icon Please do not add or change content, as you did at Milo Yiannopoulos, without citing a reliable source using an inline citation that clearly supports the material. The burden is on the person wishing to keep in the material to meet these requirements, as a necessary (but not always sufficient) condition. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Distelfinck (talk) 17:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I searched for the phrase "very often" on the Milo Yiannopolous talk page, and the occurences I could find don't back up what you say --Distelfinck (talk) 01:44, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


You need to provide sources for your additions. You repeat adding this in, without giving a source for this, without addressing what I said in this edit summary --Distelfinck (talk) 17:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

1RR on Milo Yiannopoulos[edit]

You have violated 1RR on Milo Yiannopoulos (Edits: 1 2 3.) Please self-revert. James J. Lambden (talk) 18:01, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I've reverted your edit myself. Please be more careful in the future. James J. Lambden (talk) 18:27, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

1RR on Milo Yiannopoulos (again)[edit]

You have again violated 1RR on Milo Yiannopoulos (Edits: 1, 2) If the 1RR restrictions are not clear to you they're described here: Wikipedia:1RR#Other_revert_rules. Self revert or I will submit a complaint against you to Arbitration Enforcement. James J. Lambden (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

March 2017[edit]

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Edits at Richard Epstein[edit]

In looking at your recent edits to Richard Epstein, I'd like you to consider whether the content you added could be cited to some sort of reliable sources. If so, they should be added to the section on Writings rather than to the intro. Depending on how significant your added content was, it might merit a summary mention (without citations) in the intro. I'll not revert you right now, but you should try to provide sources and place your content in the correct place in the article. Thanks. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 03:53, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey JC; if you give me til tomorrow i"ll add the citations. Tied up right now. I understand if you feel compelled to revert in the short run. Steeletrap (talk) 03:59, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
It seems White whirlwind was not going to be patient. Try again tomorrow. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 04:25, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
I see similar potential problems with some of your recent edits at Richard Posner. That law review article you referenced is a bare URL, which is not a good way to cite a source. Can I also suggest that you make better use of WP:Edit summaries? — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 04:39, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

A Friendly Word of Caution[edit]

Religion and hitler[edit]

Hi Steeltrap could you please add edit summaries for any significant changes to the Religious views of Adolf Hitler, stick to the four paragraph wikpedia lay out for the introduction and remember not to add material not in sources such as "the judges at Nuremberg" determined", when the source only says that the prosecutors prepared a brief of evidence etc. Best wishes Ozhistory (talk) 04:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


This was inappropriate in many ways. If I see something like that again I'll be dropping a topic ban. ~Awilley (talk) 16:52, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Maybe not a good edit w.o. some discussion, but hardly a violation, from what I can see. Have a look: [1] -- The edit shouldn't have been dropped in w.o. prep maybe, but I see ten worse edits per day in American Politics articles. Maybe a [citation needed] is needed. SPECIFICO talk 18:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Adjwilley, why was it inappropriate? Do you disagree that Trump has promoted conspiracy theories? Are you a birther? Do you believe Ted Cruz' dad killed JFK? Steeletrap (talk) 20:24, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Now, that was inappropriate! :) SPECIFICO talk 22:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Here are a few reasons why the edit was inappropriate.
  1. Calling him a conspiracy theorist in the Lead section is inappropriate when he is not called that in the body of the article.
  2. In a 3-paragraph Lead section, the amount of detail in that addition is a violation of WP:WEIGHT in a highly visible BLP.
  3. The examples you give are gratuitous given the "controversial and false" sentence preceding your addition.
  4. "He has been described as" is textbook WP:WEASEL.
  5. Who is "the President" you refer to?
The reason I jumped straight to a tban warning was because I've seen this kind of drive-by BLP violation from you before, and I distinctly remember User:Drmies warning you about adding links to child rape in the Lead of the trump article. (I don't have a diff for the warning but here's the edit: [2] [3]) ~Awilley (talk) 02:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
No, you jumped to a tban warning because you're an old maid who takes relish in your petty moderator powers. RS describe Trump as a conspiracy theorist, his campaign was characterized by conspiracy theories, and his political career in the Republican Party was fueled by the Birther movement. A bold edit noting that he has been described as a CT was not a violation of policy; I am not edit warring to put it back in.
Trump has been accused of child rape. This particular accusation is not notable enough for the lede, but is included in the article about his sexual assault allegations. Steeletrap (talk) 11:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

April 2014[edit]

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You want to add something to the article Milo Yiannopoulos. This getting removed is a strong indication there's no consensus, so this is a good time to discuss this --Distelfinck (talk) 16:10, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

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Ben Swann[edit]

Your concern about these issues is totally understandable, but you have to review both the prior discussions (which were extensive on a number of things you changed) as well as the reliable sources before changing things based on your own gist of the subject matter. A number of your edits are blatantly against consensus. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:28, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

April 2017[edit]

Information icon Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Ron Paul newsletters, without giving a valid reason – such as reverting vandalism – for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please remember, you are topic banned from editing anything related to the Mises Institute. This includes material about Ron Paul.S. Rich (talk) 22:42, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the revert; because Paul is apparently listed as a Mises Institute "scholar" (I had no idea), this is a technicala violation of the TB and I apologize.
While your revert was appropriate, your rationale is bunk. Conspiracy theorists like Swann are not RS for anything apart from the mad ideas that are rattling around their brains. Steeletrap (talk) 17:49, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Shaun King[edit]

Coming here again for rationale on why you falsely edited Shaun King's page? Please provide rationale for why you put down that Jeffrey King was his ADOPTIVE father instead of his biological Father, as indicated on his birth certificate? I look froward to you reversing your changes. Thanks! Swreynolds7 (talk) 14:48, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

King says his bio father was a light-skinned (mixed-race) black man, and that Jeffrey King is his adoptive father. Per WP:BLP, we have to go off what he says about his family and race unless it's proven that he's lying. Steeletrap (talk) 00:56, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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re: Religious Views of Adolph Hitler JerryRussell (talk) 23:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


Reminder. Thank you. – S. Rich (talk) 17:22, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm well aware. But don't see how NAP would fall under that. Anyway, I hope you can jump in and deal with some of the tendentious editing on that page, which currently claims that several eminent Western philosophers were Rothbardian libertarians without knowing it. Steeletrap (talk) 03:39, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

October 2017[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm DrFleischman. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Richard B. Spencer, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source, so I removed it. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:18, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

November 2017[edit]

I reverted your edits of this version of the page white people as portions of the text you added/edited appeared to be unsourced or synthesized from inferences from the existing sources. A record of your version of the page has been kept and I'd like you to discuss your changes (and the sources on which they are based) on the talk page. Thank you. Edaham (talk) 23:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Topic ban violation[edit]

Re: this, the 6 month topic-ban was enacted on 15 May 2017. It will expire on Nov 15th. It has not yet expired nor was it expired in October. James J. Lambden (talk) 20:48, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I made a mistake regarding the date of expiration: I tied it to the beginning of the arbitration, not the decision. By all means revert any edits that you regard as unduly insensitive to Milo. Steeletrap (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
I was going to respond with "Understandable" but I could not find an arbitration case against you that began earlier. All I can find is this. Can you direct me to the case? James J. Lambden (talk) 20:59, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Look, dopey: If I were going to blatantly violate a t-ban, I wouldn't do it in broad daylight on a highly controversial page. I'd get a sock. If you want to ban me or whatever I don't much care but I'm not going to deal with your soothsaying regarding my intentions. Steeletrap (talk) 21:09, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
You said you confused the case start date with the case end date but from what I can tell no "case" exists. I am trying to determine whether I'm mistaken. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and will continue to if you can explain your reasoning.
I did not impugn your intentions but it is not encouraging that you have made your first edit to Steve Bannon to oppose my recent !vote. James J. Lambden (talk) 21:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@Steeletrap, it's a pretty clear violation of WP:NPA to address other editors as "dopey" as you have now twice [4] [5] Many admins I know would block on sight. ~Awilley (talk) 03:12, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@Awilley: Frankly "dopey" is relatively mild. Another editor has repeatedly called me a "creep", a "stalker" and "obsessed" and nothing has been done despite my complaints. I am more concerned by the nonchalant topic-ban violations and seemingly retaliatory !vote. I would like an answer to my case request question. James J. Lambden (talk) 03:45, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
I would hope that you know that NeilN's enactment of the topic ban (seen here) does not mean that once the topic ban expires, you should go back to your same contested style of editing at the article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:54, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Anyone who would block me for calling him dopey is a hypersensitive marshmallow (a term that applies to many WP admins, admittedly). Steeletrap (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Why don't you just answer JJL's question above. On the surface it looks like you violated the topic ban and then made up an excuse that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. ~Awilley (talk) 05:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Nah, I didn't. I thought the TB had expired. Which--happily--it will in a couple weeks. I'm not sure what link I clicked on to make me think it began in April, but there you have it. Steeletrap (talk) 05:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Weinstein edit[edit]

I thanked you for adding the number of women who have accused Weinstein. Then I noticed it had been taken out due to another editor noting that HW had been fired before number of accusers reached 80. So I added a source for the 50. If you have a source for the 80 please add. I think you were brilliant to add the number and we know down the road if it just keeps being called "alleged harassment" readers may not see the magnitude of this.Kmccook (talk) 13:00, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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Potential edit warring[edit]

Watch it with the reverts on Knights of Columbus, please. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)