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Planonasus again...[edit]

Hi Stemonitis, glad to see you came back after your break. Would you mind paying a visit to our friend Planonasus (and his IP alter-ego) again [1], who is back to removing the parentheses on scientific authorities again? [2]. It's really getting old. Neil916 (Talk) 01:19, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. I've left a (final) warning on the IP's talk page. The IP has been blocked before (by me), has never engaged with the community, and seems to be deaf to our entreaties, so I'll happily enforce a considerably longer block if the behaviour continues. User:Planonasus is slightly more complex. I haven't seen anything in their most recent edits that could be considered disruptive. Certainly, the overall intention – of both accounts, actually – is constructive, but I understand your anxiety about the potential for disruptive edits. If you become aware of anything untoward, do let me know, and I'll take action. I'm sure a lot of the damage from previous edits has yet to be made good, so it would be best if we can avoid accruing any more. --Stemonitis (talk) 10:17, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
The diff I provided for Planonasus was of his removing parentheses, which was what triggered my original message. I agree that it's complex, and I would have thought that the last set of blocks would have effectively sent the message that it wasn't acceptable to continue to deliberately introduce errors into the encyclopedia, but all they've done is wait until the block expired and then continued. I'm thinking that perhaps a more effective resolution would be an indefinite block with a provision that all they need to do to be unblocked is to acknowledge the undesirable behavior and agree to stop or at least engage in some discussion it if they think they're right. That's what lacking here. I'm losing enthusiasm for wholesale reverting of their edits, especially when it's reverting good edits at the same time as the bad edits, like my edit here. And that's only on pages that pop up on my watchlist... I'm not terribly active editing fish articles any more. Thanks for your attention. Neil916 (Talk) 15:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh yes. It's hard to spot the changes when additional species are inserted. I don't know why the 'diff' engine performs quite so poorly in those circumstances. I have warned Planonasus, although he/she hasn't done anything in a few days. Let's hope the warning and advice is taken seriously. Otherwise, it will indeed require a lengthy block. --Stemonitis (talk) 16:33, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, our message has fallen on deaf ears again... [3]. Neil916 (Talk) 18:15, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
And, perhaps inevitably, has been blocked. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:32, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Jasus paulensis[edit]

Without being aware that the Tristan rock lobster article existed, I created the article Jasus paulensis. I found that WoRMS gave Jasus tristani as a synonym of Jasus paulensis and proceeded to write my article on that basis. Shall I merge the two articles and make the Jasus tristani one a redirect to Jasus paulensis? Alternatively, I could proceed on the basis that they are separate species and just mention in my article that some authorities consider them identical. What would you suggest? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:08, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Looking at it now, I can't see any reason to keep the two articles separate. If you can see anything useful in Tristan rock lobster, then by all means take it in to Jasus paulensis. Perhaps mention that some sources (e.g. IUCN) retain them as separate species. The experimental justification for synonymising the two is given at doi:10.1080/17451000.2012.676185 ([4]), in case you haven't seen it. --Stemonitis (talk) 09:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I will do what you suggest. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:10, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society[edit]

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Dear Stemonitis,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.

Best regards,  Velella  Velella Talk   09:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 17 April[edit]

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Yes check.svg Done. --Stemonitis (talk) 05:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Reference Edit 23 April[edit]

Hello, I see you made an edit to my link to Simply Supplements on this page The reason for my edit was a dead link was present. I made a legitimate change to the page that did not violate any rules due to the fact that the site I sourced included the information needed. See "Ingredients > Cautions" On the following page: Please advise why a genuine live page is not better than an archive of a dead page, when the information that is needed, is present?

Thanks, Matthew Cocking — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

It's not a big thing, but WP:RS advises that "e-commerce links should be replaced with non-commercial reliable sources if available". The archived link is not so old as to be out of date, so there is no harm in including it. Links to commercial sites are, however, always a little suspect. There are occasions when they can be included, but in general it's best to avoid them. --Stemonitis (talk) 10:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your quick reply. I understand. Such as shame, its always a big thing for us to have that opportunity however it makes perfect sense to me now. Thanks for clearing things up and I will bear that in mind next time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

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Why revert?[edit]

Hello. I received Notification that reverted inserting image in Daphnia pulex... Why revert my contribution? I'm not understand this, so I want to explan this. (My mother tongue is not English, Please understand I am not good at English.)--커뷰 (talk) 08:13, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

The picture is of extremely low quality. I'm not at all sure what it shows, but it doesn't seem to be any kind of Daphnia, let alone D. pulex. The filename suggests it to be Cyclops, but it doesn't closely resemble that, either. Overall, then, there is so little detail that the image is almost worthless for illustrating any article in the encyclopaedia, and is completely irrelevant to Daphnia pulex. See WP:IUP. --Stemonitis (talk) 09:15, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Stemonitis: please don't use rollback for this kind of revert in future. An edit summary was needed. Cheers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Thanks for fixing "ibid" references. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing. It's funny – it was never meant to be a great quest, but I have kept plugging away at the backlog, and by now, to mym surprise, I've got through most of them. (I didn't write down how many there were when I started, but I think it was around 1960–1970.) I've certainly slowed down, but I'm still making progress, and I will continue to do so. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Rubus fruticosus[edit]

I've made a draft of a page to try to explain the various uses of that species name, based on what we discussed. Could you take a look to see if it is viable as a wikipedia entry? Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

The only thing I might add – and this is one of the few things that is fairly certain in the whole story – is that Rubus fruticosus is the type of the genus Rubus; that entails its being in Rubus subg. Rubus and in Rubus sect. Rubus, which may not be apparent to the lay reader, although I can't think how to express that well. Apart from that one addition, I think it's a pretty fair description of the situation. --Stemonitis (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I should add: thanks for doing this. I hadn't necessarily expected anything to change as a result of my enquiry; I just wanted to understand the decisions that had been made. I think that having a page that explains the name Rubus fruticosus is a very good thing; it's just a shame that the concept of Rubus fruticosus is itself so nebulous. --Stemonitis (talk) 17:48, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I've tried to add that. Face-smile.svg May posterity in the form of wikipedia readers (if any) not choke on it. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 18:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

P.S.: Do you have Stace 3rd edition to hand? I won't have access to it again for a couple of weeks, and I took the microspecies number from the 2nd edition. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 11:59, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Here are the numbers from the 3rd edition:
  • R. sect. Rubus; 20 miscrospp.
  • R. sect. Glandulosus; 289 miscrospp.
  • R. sect. Corylifolii; 24 miscrospp.
--Stemonitis (talk) 12:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:46, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


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New template like Cite WoRMS[edit]

Hi, I've known that you have created and successfully maintained Cite WoRMS template. Could you please help to create a similar template for Species File Software (for Orthoptera in this link)? However, main page is: this one and it has too many branches, all of which you can seen in this Google search for "". It is quite large and reliable source for insects. I'd much appreciate any kind of help in creating similar template. thank you in advance. Hanberke (talk) 06:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Here is the detailed list and statistics. Hanberke (talk) 06:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


I have had to block User talk:Planonasus for disruptive editing, primarily persistent use of cut and paste moves. Since you had previously blocked him for one month I blocked him for three this time. But if you feel a different block period is warranted (including indef), I will defer to your judgement. Rlendog (talk) 18:11, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Writing an article about Wikipedia Hoaxes[edit]


My name is Kim Renfro, and I'm a digital culture reporter for Tech Insider. I wasn't sure the best way to reach out, so here I am. Would you be interested in speaking to me about how you uncovered/removed the Sean Mann hoax? ( page) I'm really interested to learn more about your work as a Wikipedia user. My email address is Thank you! Kimrrenfro (talk) 18:14, 20 October 2015 (UTC) Kim

Check/move request[edit]

Hi, out of my area of expertise, but Pholadomyoida was actually about Anomalodesmata when I came across it. I've tidied the text so that it deals correctly with this taxon, but it needs an admin to move the article. (I don't know that the previous edits that changed the text from Pholadomyoida to Anomalodesmata were correct; I just tidied it as I found it.) Peter coxhead (talk) 10:09, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay; I was away, so I have only just seen your message. --Stemonitis (talk) 10:58, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
No problems; not a much-viewed page! Thanks. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:38, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Actaea (genus)[edit]

Hi Stemonitis. You moved Actaea (crab) to Actaea (genus) some time ago. There is also a plant genus, Actaea (plant). I'm not sure what the best disambiguation term is for arthropod genera when "(genus)" is ambiguous. Various articles use "(crab)", "(decapod)", "(crustacean)" and "(arthropod)" (as well as other terms not applicable to crabs). Would you mind revisiting the Actaea move? Plantdrew (talk) 20:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

This seems straightforward enough. I have moved the crab article back, and quickly cobbled together a dab. page to fill the gap (I'm not sure what templates and format are currently preferred for that kind of dab. page, so it may well need revisiting). I see the incoming links had already been dealt with. --Stemonitis (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It looks like dab pages with a parenthetical term are automatically put in a maintenance category for potentially incomplete disambiguation. I retargetted "Actaea (genus)" to the dab page at the base title Actaea and added {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}; the base title already had both genera listed. I've been creating various "Foo (genus)" redirects to dab pages when I come across genus names falling under different codes. I haven't done so systematically so far, but at some point I'd like to go through Category:Genus disambiguation pages to make sure all the "(genus)" redirects exist. Plantdrew (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't know of any consensus for formatting genus disambiguations, but for templates they should either have {{Genus disambiguation}} (if the only uses of the term are genera) or {{Disambiguation|genus}} (if there are non-genus uses). Plantdrew (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. That's good to know. --Stemonitis (talk) 07:00, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Happened to see this thread. I didn't know about the specific 'genus' use of disambiguation templates, so I too think it's good to know. It doesn't seem to be documented at WP:TOL or any of the member wikiprojects – I think this would be useful. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:19, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikispecies links[edit]

I'm never sure what to do about Wikispecies links for spiders. Wikispecies is way, way out of date for spider taxonomy (as has been pointed out on a number of its talk pages, but there doesn't seem to be anyone there wanting to sort it out). As just one example, Araneoidea hasn't had the list of extant families revised since this version, when the latest reference used was dated 1998. Although later references have been added, the list has not been changed.

A big problem for me with Wikispecies, which depends on there being a single working classification, is that there is no settled phylogeny and hence classification for spiders. I've been reading the literature intensively for the last month or so, and a summary from a 2013 article says it all: "Coddington's (2005) summary phylogeny based entirely on morphological data ... serves well as a consensus view of phylogenetic knowledge of spiders at the beginning of this millennium. ... numerous morphological and molecular phylogenies have been published since Coddington (2005), and what we have learnt from these can be summarized in a few words: most deep clades in spider phylogenetics are disputed, mainly by molecular results. Not only are new molecular studies incongruent with much of 'traditional' knowledge but they are often incongruent with one another."[1] (The Wikispecies system is not even consistent with Coddington (2005).) Nothing published in 2014 or 2015 seems to refute this summary; a larger portion of the spider genome is now being used and results continue to reject many older morphological classifications, while not being fully consistent with one another.

So I never add Wikispecies links to any spider articles lacking them, whether or not I created them. If one is already in an article, I don't like to remove it, so I just leave it alone, whether set up correctly or not. Perhaps this is just evading the issue. I'd be interested in your views on this. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:40, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

That's interesting. I don't pretend to know much at all about spider taxonomy, but from what I've seen I'm not surprised it's contentious. Much like higher plants, the families may be fairly clear-cut, but their inter-relationships are not. Hopefully, genomic data will allow the arachnologists to produce something akin to the APG and settle things. What we do until then, I couldn't say.
With regards to this edit (which is I guess what prompted this discussion), I couldn't see that there was any point in having an ill-formatted link, so I formatted it the usual way. It may well be that the link isn't worth including – I didn't investigate that point at all – but it might as well look right. Having now had a look at the Wikispecies page, there doesn't seem to be much there that either isn't already included, or couldn't be included, on the page. WP:EL advises against linking to "any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article". Wikispecies links often seem to fall quite close to that threshold, even in better curated cases. I think many editors assume that, wherever a Wikispecies page exists, it should be linked to here. I don't think that's necessarily the case. WP:SIS suggests links should be put in place (only) "when such links are likely to be useful to our readers", which seems like the right principle to me.
I guess the ideal solution, if people had enough time and inclination, would be to fix up Wikispecies' coverage of spiders. It sounds like there would be a good case for using Coddington's system as the latest available consensus view. A simpler solution would be to be bold and just remove any Wikispecies links you think aren't improving the articles that include them. I see you've brought the subject up at WT:SPID, which I was going to suggest, although it doesn't seem to get a lot of visitors. --Stemonitis (talk) 13:25, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. Since you're quite right that an ill-formatted link isn't of any point, I will in future be bolder, and remove Wikispecies links that I don't think add anything or are otherwise not useful (and correctly format any that I think are useful).
Re WT:SPIDERS, it's a shame that there doesn't seem to be anyone around at present – one reason I thought it would be more useful to ask you. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:37, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


  1. ^ Agnarsson, Ingi; Coddington, Jonathan A. & Kuntner, Matjaž (2013), "Systematics : Progress in the study of spider diversity and evolution", in Penney, David, Spider research in the 21st century: trends & perspectives, Manchester, UK: Siri Scientific Press, ISBN 978-0-9574530-1-2 , p. 83
On a somewhat related note, Stho002 has been doing a little bit of editing on en.wikipedia under several new usernames in recent weeks. I can PM you the accounts if you're interested in keeping track of his socks. Plantdrew (talk) 17:31, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer. I did have a mental note of a few such accounts a while back, but after a break from editing, I can no longer remember them, and I don't particularly want to. From my point of view, his block was (initially at least) for incivility, so as long as he's playing nicely, I'm not too bothered. The later block was for sockpuppetry, so there would be a case for further blocks if someone wanted to pursue it. I don't. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:27, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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