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Providence(religious movement)[edit]

Hi Stephen, Do not mean to trouble you, this is GIOS, I asked you for assistance with the Providence religious movement article several months ago. Not sure if you remember, but at last contact I had been temporarily blocked for edit warring.. as a newbie I unintentionally violated the 3 edit rule, which I did not know about, and just wanted to ask for basic advice before proceeding.

My primary concern with this article is that while it uses academic sources to analyze the Providence group, the article takes the accusations and reports of critics and cites them as the ACTUAL claimed beliefs of members--when in fact, there are extensive publications by the Providence group that detail members' beliefs in their own words (which would obviously be very different from what the critics would say).

    • My argument is simple: the Providence article should have the same format as other articles on controversial religious groups, which feature a section on member beliefs and also a section on criticism and controversy, so as to remain unbiased.

Sourcing some of the publications by Providence and Jung Myeong Seok, I was able to put together this brief section(would include full citations on actual article). If its not too much trouble, I was hoping you could give it a once over just to make sure I am doing everything according to Wikipedia standards.


:Beliefs/Theology

Members of the Christian Gospel Mission ascribe to the following tenets of Christianity: belief in God as the Trinity of the “Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit”; belief that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah sent by God to save a fallen humanity; and belief that Jesus will return a second time in order to fulfill God’s final Will and Testament. Members hold that the Bible itself must be interpreted, and that the events within the Biblical text do not conflict with science when understood correctly.
In his writings, Jung Myeong Seok frequently states that is not enough for individuals simply to believe or “have faith” in God. Rather, he states that in order to achieve spiritual success, faith must be “put into action” and that human beings must fulfill their own responsibilities before God. He teaches that taking action is the “law of the Heavens” and God’s “basic law of justice.” Members The following excerpts from Jung’s Heaven’s Words, My Words provide a brief example of these teachings:
“You do not transform just because you have heard the Lord’s Word of life. Only ‘those who absolutely keep and act upon the Lord’s Word’ will transform.”[6]
"Even though the air is next you, if you sit still, you cannot feel it. If you are fervent and run, then you can feel it as your clothing and hair flutter in the wind. God, the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Son, are like that too."

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Moreover, Jung teaches that the extent to which individuals put faith into action will determine success in the physical world as well. He writes:
:"The person who takes action on his thoughts is the one who fulfills his dream. The person who does not take action is the one who shatters his dream."
“A person has both a body and a spirit. Therefore, you must always believe and take action thinking about [those] two things. Then both your body and spirit will not incur losses but do well and prosper.”''


Thank you so much. If its too much trouble to ask for your assistance, just let me know and I can ask elsewhere. GIOSCali (talk) 06:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Apologies for the delay in responding, but it's been a busy few days. I am really not the best person to ask about this, as my experience on these matters is extremely limited. I would suggest asking at the Help Desk for their thoughts, or if you'd rather people with more experience on religious articles, try the talk page on Portal:Religion. The help desk is constantly monitored, but by people with more general experience; the Portal will have those who are more experienced with this type of article, and the preferred tone of text to use, but it isn't as active.
Whatever you decide to do, you may find yourself with a differing opinion to other editors. The important thing to do is to follow the Dispute Resolution process, and not accidentally engage in any edit wars.
Do please let me know if there is anything else I can help out with. Stephen! Coming... 10:32, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Stephen, will do-- GIOSCali (talk) 20:34, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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Carborundum Universal Limited - page deletion[edit]

Hello Mr. Stephen,

Greetings..!!

As you know, we have created a new page "Carborundum Universal Limited" which was recently deleted by you from wiki.

Kindly note, that page is not created for Advertising purpose.

Carborundum Universal Limited is one of top 3 Material sciences company in the world, having Mines, Manufacturing facilities across the world.

This page was primarily created to express the various material grades developed by CUMI & its presence.

Please restore the page, and also advice which content seems to be advertising in nature. so that we will remove those contents.

Requesting you to restore the page.

Thanks in advance

Regards Sameer Sameer 03:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sameer.udt (talkcontribs)

The problem with the article was that it reads more like a business listing rather than an article about the company. The fact that you describe the reason behind the article being created as ..."to express the various material grades developed by CUMI & its presence" only reinforces that this was created as an advertisement. Although it didn't show up in the deletion reasons, there was an additional problem that parts of the text had been rewritten from the company's own website. As well as compounding the whole advert problem, it also has copyright issues. And if you own the copyright for the site, then there is now a conflict of interest problem.
If you are connected with Carborundum, then might I suggest checking out this list for more suitable places for a listing? If you are not connected with the company, then please let me know. Stephen! Coming... 08:01, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Deleted page Carborundum Universal Ltd[edit]

Hello, You have recently deleted the page Carborundum Universal Ltd with ref to Unambiguous advertising or promotion. Plz Specify the area which appeared as an advertisement. Plz Help in that. SiloniSam (talk) 03:51, 24 March 2015 (UTC)SiloniSam

Please see my reply in the section above. Stephen! Coming... 08:02, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Carborundum Universal Ltd[edit]

Hello, Thank you Mr.Stephen. I got it and I am not connected with Carborundum. The article had only about the company's history and subsidiaries,I don't know where comes the advertisement in that history or subsidiaries. And I would like to recreate the page with modifications. So let me know the possibilities. SiloniSam (talk) 03:55, 26 March 2015 (UTC) SiloniSam

If you wish, I can restore the article and move it into a user area for you to work on. Then, when you think it is ready, ask and I'll check it out and move it if it is acceptable. There are a few things you need to do to to the article:
  1. Try and change the tone of the article so it is less a list and more of an article. I appreciate that this is rather vague, so have a read of the Manual of Style and other articles (particularly the Featured Articles) to get a feel of the article style to go for. Try and avoid PEACOCK|flowery language; all this should help reduce the risk of it being mistaken for an advert.
  2. Make sure the article is well reference|referenced with at least three independant notable third party references; press releases do not count. If there is insufficient references, then the article would not be allowed to remain under notability guidelines.
  3. Keep it balanced. If you know of problems in the history of this company that made the news, then it should be included (with references).
Let me know if you want to go ahead with this, and I'll put it in User:SiloniSam/Carborundum Universal Ltd. Stephen! Coming... 07:47, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello Mr.Stephen,
Thank you Stephen. I am ready to work on it. You can restore the article to my user page. SiloniSam (talk) 10:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)SiloniSam
Article restored. Please note that there is no guarantee that even after working on it that it will be acceptable to Wikipedia Standards. Good luck. Stephen! Coming... 12:54, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi, StephenBuxton! You appear to have restored this article to user space without addressing the copyright problem (if you refer back to this version you will note that I nominated it as G12 as well as G11, even though you didn't include that in your deletion rationale). Could I ask how you wish to proceed here? It's my understanding that articles deleted as copyvio should never be restored (because it makes the restoring admin party to the copyvio). One option would be to delete all body text and revdelete the history; another might be simply to delete it again. and let the user start again from scratch. I don't think it can be left as it is (well, it can, but I would then blank it and list it at WP:CP). Many thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:27, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
The reason I didn't list it as one of the causes of deletion is because there wasn't any copyright violation, at least not any that I could see on the website you listed in the Speedy deletion notice. The duplicate detection report showed one sentence that had a lot of the text (implying a rewritten sentence), and several other sentences that contain key words of business sections; not enough to delete. Unless there is another website that the text is copied from? Stephen! Coming... 16:53, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Obviously we don't see this in quite the same way. What I see is a substantial amount of foundational copyvio which has been neither fully removed from the article nor deleted from the history. Do you believe that to be acceptable? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:06, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I have deleted a lot of the history, so that the copy vio material is no longer available. As for what remains, I can see one sentence could do with a better rewrite: ("Carborundum Universal Ltd(CUMI) was established in 1954 as a tripartite collaboration between the Murugappa Group,India, the Carborundum Inc,USA and the Universal Grinding Wheel Co. Ltd.,UK."), which I have done. Hopefully that is better now? Stephen! Coming... 17:27, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────No, sorry, not really. You've deleted the earlier history instead of rev-deleting it, so that attribution is no longer correctly given for the content, and you have not removed the copyvio. Please also see http://www.cumi-murugappa.com/history.swf. The whole article needs to be properly checked. I've listed it at WP:CP for processing, I hope you will agree that that is the best way forward. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:21, 26 March 2015 (UTC)