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Palo Alto Demographics[edit]

(answering you) Possibly I misread. I can't look now but I will take a look in the next day or so. Elinruby (talk)

(answering your answer) yeah I just went in there again, actually, sorry I took a little longer than estimated. It is in fact my error -- one ratio is housing unites and the other is people. I have removed the flag and if I have time to make this clearer at some point I will, but there is non inherent contradiction. You can remove this se ction if you like once you process the message; I plan to clear mine eventually. Elinruby (talk)

Thank you for your careful attention to these matters. —Stepheng3 (talk) 03:45, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Some boba for you![edit]

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Indian Wells edit[edit]

Greetings User Stepheng3. Saw your revert and accompanying edit summary at the Indian Wells, CA page. Please see Talk for rationale for removing that dead-linked content. Thank you. Good job staying on top the page. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed rationale. I realize it would've been difficult to summarize all that in an edit summary, but perhaps you could've provided something more specific than "Ibid general clean-up". Best regards, —Stepheng3 (talk) 20:56, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Good Article - Los Angeles[edit]

As I believe you saw, I nominated Los Angeles for GA status and it failed mostly to my own fault of not seeing some of the issues that were still in the article. Nevertheless I am determined to get it to GA status and have started working on issues listed in the GA Review but I still have some work to do plus any other issues that still linger afterwards. I know that you are probably one of the most experienced and skilled California editors and I was wondering if you could work with me in improving the article to the point of GA and then co-nominating it with me. I would really appreciate the help on the article so far and I appreciate the consideration. - SantiLak (talk) 21:36, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate your confidence in me. I don't have experience with the GA process, and I'm not much interested in Los Angeles as a topic, but I promise to give serious consideration to your inquiry.—Stepheng3 (talk) 23:48, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
After sleeping on this, I've decided I don't have the energy to help with a GA nomination. I will continue to look for ways to improve the article though. Good luck!—Stepheng3 (talk) 20:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Recent edit of Beverly Hills, California[edit]

Hey, your edit was actually correct - Pacific is what should be shown, but now for the reason you gave in the edit summary. PST - aka Pacific Standard Time is a time zone, it's the regular time when not observing PDT - aka Pacific Daylight Time.--NotWillyWonka (talk) 18:54, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

That's not quite accurate. "Pacific Standard Time" and "Pacific Daylight Time" are legal time standards. The time zone (territory) is called "the Pacific Time Zone". Locations in Pacific Time Zone observe PST during the winter months, and many (but not all) observe PDT during the summer months. I admit it's a fine distinction, but worth making in my opinion.—Stepheng3 (talk) 19:00, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Actually, it's very correct and accurate. As a "time zone" is defined as a geographic region within which the same standard time is used. PST and PDT are both Pacific Time Zones, and that is why putting only "Pacific" is better than "PST" - one specific Time Zone observed in certain places at certain times. --NotWillyWonka (talk) 19:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree with your definition of a time zone, but PST and PDT are not time zones, they are time standards. Beverley Hills is still located in the Pacific Time Zone even when it observes daylight time.—Stepheng3 (talk) 19:44, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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thanks for the thank you on the Indio article. When you get a chance, let me know how you made that happen? Some syntax I am apparently unaware of? I also note you are the same person who courteously pointed out to me that I flagged something in error in the Palo Alto article, so thank you for that as well. Elinruby (talk) 06:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar. I didn't think there was any mystery about how to thank logged-in editors for specific edits. I issue about three per day, on average. The way I usually do it is I bring up the diff, then click on the "thank" link. There are also "thank" links in the revision history. I haven't found any way to thank IP editors or bots through the notifications interface. For details, see Wikipedia:Notifications/Thanks. I hope that helps.—Stepheng3 (talk) 06:38, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your work of meticulously going through infoboxes and fixing problems as well as for always have super clear and specific edit summaries. Zackmann08 (talk) 22:18, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the star, Zack. It's a pleasure to work with thoughtful and courteous editors such as yourself.—Stepheng3 (talk) 22:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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Minor changes in California legislature diagrams[edit]

Hi. Thanks for keeping the info box up to date. Please when there is a small change to a legislature don't hide the diagram right away but contact the person who made it or the last person who edited it so they can make a new one and wait a few days before hiding it. It is impossible to keep track of 99 different pages and these diagrams and it is easier to tweak the file than have to make manual edits and then look up the right data and then enter it all over again in the info box. You can also update the diagram yourself using this tool if you are interested. Thanks Shabidoo | Talk 05:15, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the tool. And I agree that contacting the last editor would've been wiser than hiding the image. I'll try to keep that in mind in the future. Best regards,—Stepheng3 (talk) 17:49, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon at the California College of the Arts[edit]

Hi! Thanks for getting in touch with me. To answer your questions: the edit-a-thon will run from 2pm to 6pm in Meyer Library on the Oakland campus of California College of the Arts. We don't have a more specific schedule planned yet; I was thinking of doing a brief intro at the start with some topic selection and editing advice, as well as links to tutorial videos, and then maybe following up with short editing/research tips at the top of each hour depending on how things go and the questions we hear. The event is sponsored by CCA, specifically the libraries, and we'll have at least a couple staff on hand to help. If you're willing to come, we'd love to have an experienced editor there to offer assistance. Phette23 (talk) 20:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

It was nice to meet you, too! And I see you found your glasses. Thanks so much for attending, it was valuable to have an experienced editor there. If we do another edit-a-thon of any kind I'll make to let you know. Phette23 (talk) 16:08, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

The Elmores of Holy City[edit]

Hi there. My name is Angela Elmore and my grandparents, the Elmore's owned a popular bar in holy city I think in 70,s Peggy, John, Paula and Chris Elmore. My dad was affiliated with gypsy jokers and my aunt Cyndi Elmore work at pot belly saloon in Campbell, Hells Angels bar. I am trying to figure out how to add comments questions to the Chateau page but can't figure it out??? I'd like any info. Possible. 

My dad chris elmore murdered my mom paula 1976. So looking for any history on them, my family and holy city bar. My mom was also a go go dancer at the bar.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelaelmore (talkcontribs) 2015-03-01T14:28:23

LAFD & Fire Department Notability[edit]

Wanted to make sure you saw THIS. Please comment. :-) --Zackmann08 (talk) 00:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm thinking about this. On the one hand, I would regard the department websites as a reliable source for verifying the locations of facilities, names of chiefs, and equipment. On the other hand, they are closely associated with their subjects, and as such cannot establish the notability of their respective departments. To establish notability, I would look into journalistic sources such as the LA Times. Also, I think you made a mistake when you used the phrase "personally attack" because that makes appear that you feel personally attacked. As far as I can tell, while the quality of content you added has been questioned, your character and personal worth are not under discussion.—Stepheng3 (talk) 01:42, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Request for comment![edit]

I appreciated your input on the above. Would love you input on the Notability of line of duty deaths. --Zackmann08 (talk) 17:35, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


I noticed you reverted a change of mine about this unfortunate colloquial nickname, arguing it was not reliably sourced. I opened a section on the appropriate Talk page, arguing context matters. In particular, claiming that something exists can be shown by pointing at it, not always by pointing at someone else pointing at it. For instance, I can show exists by pointing to, and I can show that a term is being used by real people in real conversations by pointing to years worth of this term being used on -- I'm looking forward to your opinion on the matter. --elwood_j_blues (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for getting in touch. I've already responded at the article's talk page. If you wish to continue the conversation, please do so there.—Stepheng3 (talk) 23:39, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

New Museum in Los Gatos[edit]

Hi. I noticed you reverted an addition I made to the Los Gatos page. I'm new to Wikipedia, but thought it was a useful addition to include the existence of The New Museum on the page. It is an art and history museum focusing on SF bay area art and history. The San Francisco page includes two paragraphs on SF-based museums. Can you please comment? Thanks, Hollyvanhart (talk) 00:20, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Hollyvanhart. I might speculate about why your changes were reverted, but I think it'd be better for you to address your question to the editor who reverted you, namely User:Scalhotrod. That editor's talk page is at User talk:Scalhotrod. My username appeared in Scalhotrod's edit summary only because she or he reverted the article to state it was in after I edited it. I hope this information is helpful to you. Good luck!—Stepheng3 (talk) 17:47, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Manhattan Beach and the problematic edit's[edit]

Well that was quick. I noticed for WP:COI the 2 POV pushers, one of them, a rather hostile one at that, has now been blocked. I did some of the clean up on the page but you might want to have a look yourself. Cheers! talk→ WPPilot  04:41, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I've been traveling the past few days. I'll examine the situation more closely tomorrow.—Stepheng3 (talk) 05:59, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for getting involved. I'm a bit sorry that the WP:SPAs have been blocked. Despite multiple failed attempts, I'd still hoped to engage them in constructive dialog. I won't miss the mindless reverts, of course, but neither will I be at all surprised if they show up later under different usernames. Ah, well. It's all part of the process. Cheers,—Stepheng3 (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Just as you point out a SPA really has no place in the big picture of things. You tried and tried diligently to communicate and it was clear that the POV pushing was the only function of that account. I was humored by the users legal threat, and, the user was blocked by 2 admins, at the same time within moments of making the threat, as it should be. Perhaps the other account will come to life soon and your correct in that it is just a matter of time before the Sockpuppet pops out of its rabbit hole :), your welcome. Cheers! talk→ WPPilot  18:52, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

City of Poway page[edit]

Hello. I noticed lots of good edits on the City of Poway page. As a resident of Poway, thank you for your efforts. Keep up the great work!

--Joeselby64 (talk) 20:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

You're very kind. Thank you for getting in touch. If you think of something we could collaborate on, let me know.—Stepheng3 (talk) 22:39, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Much thanks![edit]

I noticed that you'd recently cleaned up some bad info that I'd come across and modified on the relatively obscure towns of Randsburg and Johannesburg, CA. I had been unaware of the existence of the templates you'd used.

Now I see that you'd just done the same for Baker, a not much larger isolated town, hundreds of miles away, which is in the same overlay area code.

You must be really dedicated and are obviously accurate. Thank for your great work. Activist (talk) 14:51, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the appreciation. I have a bunch of project underway this spring, mostly related to populated places in California. I'd love to have some collaborators. Cheers,—Stepheng3 (talk) 16:33, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

lead photo of the city of Modesto[edit]

While those arches might be in the city, a actual photo of the city itself is far far move valuable then a photo of one of its features. If you like I can place a request for comments, on the page and see what other editors feel, but in the past, that has always been a consensus. I suggest you place that nice arch in the story lower down and use the aerial photo of the city in the section of the template that calls for a "image_skyline " as the arch does not provide a image_skyline . talk→ WPPilot  17:56, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. Just because the field is titled "image_skyline" does not mean it has to be a skyline shot. From the air, Modesto looks much like every other major city in the Central Valley. The arch is much more distinctive. You could always add the aerial shot further down in the article. But if there's a consensus for an aerial shot in the infobox, I can live with that.—Stepheng3 (talk) 18:01, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Ok I will do a RFC, but you might want to look at the previous results from this same situation that was applied to [Jolla] not long ago. talk→ WPPilot  18:04, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
One more thing, Modesto in no way whatsoever resembles any other town in central California, someplace that I fly over quite a bit. It has its own features, the grass strip next to a paved runway, as well as the major highways are all distinct and unique to this area. How much time do you have flying over Central California, if I may ask? talk→ WPPilot  18:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Our discussion is about the article. Let's not get personal.—Stepheng3 (talk) 18:34, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry did not mean to get personal. It was a simple reply to your comment that All Cities look the same, nothing more. I did notice that the arch has its own Wiki: Modesto Arch a far better place then the lead of a story on the city it is in from 2010. talk→ WPPilot  18:41, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure a pilot's POV is different from that of other people. A pilot is in the habit of noticing airports and such landmarks. That doesn't make the pilot's viewpoint superior. It's very interesting that the arch has its own article, but I don't see why that makes the photo inappropriate for the city's article. Modesto City–County Airport has its own article. By your logic, perhaps your photo belongs there instead.—Stepheng3 (talk) 20:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Ammm that is my photo of the airport. It is a photo taken just a few moments before I was direct over Modesto. The airport is in the center of the photo, as it should be. In the center of the photo of the city of Modesto is in fact the entire city of, Modesto, while you can in fact see, to the right the airport it is not the center of the city. The freeway, as you can see in my photo goes right down the middle, of the city in the photo, of the city. What I thought was geographically interesting as well as useful, taking into consideration the Encyclopedic Value of the picture of the entire city was the way it is laid out, something that the picture clearly shows (one big square). We have btw 5 airports in the Simi valley so that really is a poor example. Every human sees maps. We have them on our phone we used to have paper ones in every car. It is safe to say that everyone is well aware of topographical issues pertaining to the city one lives in, but it is difficult to get a full perspective of a area until you put it together by viewing aerial photographs of the area. Many cities have welcome signs arches that are from a previous era and the like. Does that make them a candidate for use as a lead photo, NIMH. To the contrary. Sure that old sigh might have some historic value as it has its own page, but you have yet to give good reason why a photo of a city should not be use in the lead about the city. When you have a real picture of the actual subject, you use it, not a icon that is representative of the city for its historical value. talk→ WPPilot  23:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
We disagree on so many points, it's hard to know where to start. An aerial photo is very different a map, because a map is abstract and selective. That is why the map view in Google Maps is much more useful than the satellite photo view. To illustrate the layout of the city, use a map, not a photo. Landmarks (large signs, public artwork, water towers, iconic landforms, unique buildings, and so on) are often ideal for representing cities and towns because they are memorable and easily recognizable. But we clearly have very different viewpoints on these issues. At this point, I'm more interested in hearing from other editors than reiterating our differing viewpoints.—Stepheng3 (talk) 19:05, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
  • NBD as you may have noticed the consensus was in favor of the arch with the aerial in the body, so that is what we have now. I closed the RFC. Thanks for your comments and have a great day! Cheers: talk→ WPPilot  17:06, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your diligent attention to this matter and also for your graceful acceptance of the RFC result. I am an admirer of your work (including the aerial photos) and hope to see more of it in the future. If you ever want my advice on any Wikipedia issue, I'd be honored to assist. Cheers,—Stepheng3 (talk) 20:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Well thank you for the complement and your kind words. I will keep you in mind as the project here progresses. Thanks again: Cheers! talk→ WPPilot  17:48, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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Hey Stepheng3, I'm confused, what was wrong with this template ? I added that about 2 or 3 years ago. I had no idea there was a restriction on it, it's used in many articles. Mlpearc (open channel) 19:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

nvrmnd, I see now. Sorry to bother :P Wow, that's where they should be ?Mlpearc (open channel) 19:30, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, that's what the Manual of Style says. I understand why many people want to put them in the Geography section though. Best regards,—Stepheng3 (talk) 21:16, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Willits, California[edit]

Hiya, Could you take a look at Willits, California where an anon. has been busily editing? Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:27, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm aware of the situation, and I'm glad to know that you are too. I've already deleted material once, and I've tried to contact the editor. I'm not eager to deal with this.—Stepheng3 (talk) 18:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
LMK if I can help. --talk→ WPPilot  05:10, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
IMHO, restrict page to registered users, the IP user looks to be disruptive. I have the template if you need it. talk→ WPPilot  05:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
The IP appears to be editing in good faith. In any case, semiprotecting against a single editor is highly inappropriate.—Stepheng3 (talk) 16:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Corona Del Mar High School[edit]

@Stepheng3: &@Ellin Beltz:. I have a RFC going on this pages talk page and I have a minor COI, (I went to high school here) The place is 45 year old and I do not think the lead should focus on the miss dealings of the last 5 year. A heated conversation has been going on upon the project talk page. The editor in question seems overzealous (I could be mistaken) in the desire to "expose" this nasty place, but I really don't think it is a broad overview of the facility. I did new photos and some clean up and was asked by the user that had made what I felt were edits that belonged in the body of the page, into the lead. It really needs more details on its academic highs and lows, not just the lows.. talk→ WPPilot  05:10, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Apparently your bias is more severe than you realized.—Stepheng3 (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

notable persons cloverdale[edit]

I shall take your advice and work on persons bio. I read wiki guidelines and see your point. thanks. On another note, since you seem to be here often I must point out in the geography of cloverdale hwy 101 no longer runs through the town. Has not for about 20years. I know this because I live there( (talk) 12:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC))

I suppose 101 once aligned with Cloverdale Boulevard. But if you look at Google Maps you can see that 101 still passes through the city. It may not do so on surface streets, but it passes through. Given CalTrans usual practices, there should be rectangular green signs posted near the city limits. Best regards,—Stepheng3 (talk) 18:56, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


This isn't about me. I'm not ill or lazy. If you can edit my talk page, then you're capable of editing the article yourself. Before you do, please understand that Wikipedia has a policy of verifiability, which you can read at Wikipedia:Verifiability. If I change the article to say that 101 does not pass through the city, I should cite a reliable source for verification. If you do so, you should provide the citation. Your say-so does not count as a reliable source. Can you cite a reference which states the highway does not enter the city? I provided a link to the map I consulted; did you follow the link?—Stepheng3 (talk) 21:32, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Another thing: I'd be grateful if you'd use standard English capitalization when communicating. Nowadays, sending messages in ALL CAPS is considered rude.—Stepheng3 (talk) 21:49, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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Lake Sherwood, California[edit]

Stepheng3 - Thank you for your 'thanks' regarding my recent minor edit of List of lakes in California. Question: on that list, you link "Lake Sherwood" to Sherwood Dam. Would it not be more appropriate to link it to Lake Sherwood, California? Dave Peters (talk) 01:09, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so. Lake Sherwood, California refers to the populated place, not the reservoir. Someday the redirect at Lake Sherwood (California) should be converted to an article about the reservoir. But I suppose it could be argued either way.—Stepheng3 (talk) 18:49, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Agreed, now that I read the full entry for Lake Sherwood, California. Also agree that the reservoir merits an article of its own, perhaps integrated with the article about the dam, e.g., "Lake Sherwood Reservoir and Dam." Dave Peters (talk) 07:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Climate data: "unsourced claim"[edit]

Hello. I noticed that you have undid my revision on El Centro, California on its box for "Record high" in temperatures. I was only fixing an error in which the record high for July was 125, but it said that the record high was 122 degrees, so I thought it would be appropriate to replace it with the record high for July since it mistakenly stated that 122 was the record high. Didn't you notice that 125, July's record high, was higher than the "record high" for the climate data and would be appropriate to replace it? The Snowager-is awake 23:16, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

You make a good point. However, what made you think that the July record high was correct? Perhaps someone vandalized the July record high and forgot to alter the all-time record high to match.—Stepheng3 (talk) 01:33, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
  • That claim was actually a piece of misinformation, so whoever who changed the average must have tricked me into believing that the average was correct, as July's average was 122 degrees before the vandalism. Like sometimes, some instances of vandalism may go unnoticed for a prolonged period of time, tricking other users into believing that it is correct, like the Jar'Edo Wens hoax that lasted for almost 10 years and it tricked many into believing that this Auberginial deity existed in mythology. The Snowager-is awake 03:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
It's great that you have access to sources that allow you to resolve these issues. I wish you would cite them so that the rest of us can verify your information.—Stepheng3 (talk) 21:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)


Heyoo. This is TOTALLY a personal preference thing but just wanted to mention rather than inserting &minus; per WP:DASH, you might try just doing {{ndash}}. I think it looks better and is more readable... But again just my 2 cents. Could even make an alias for the {{ndash}} template that is {{minus}}? :-p --Zackmann08 (talk) 20:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch. I don't have a strong preference between {{ndash}} and &minus; myself. I'll try to remember to use {{ndash}} in the future. Cheers,—Stepheng3 (talk) 21:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
PS: check out {{HyphenToMinus}}.—Stepheng3 (talk) 21:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)