User talk:Stormbay

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help triage some feedback[edit]

Hey guys.

I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing the new Article Feedback Tool, which features a free text box. it is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.

This is being done through the Feedback Evaluation System (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an office hours session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).

All the best, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

A big NPT update[edit]

Hey! Big update on what the developers have been working on, and what is coming up:


  • Fixes for the "moved pages do not show up in Special:NewPages" and "pages created from redirects do not show up in Special:NewPages" bugs have been completed and signed off on. Unfortunately we won't be able to integrate them into the existing version, but they will be worked into the Page Triage interface.
  • Coding has been completed on three elements; the API for displaying metadata about the article in the "list view", the ability to keep the "patrol" button visible if you edit an article before patrolling it, and the automatic removal of deleted pages from the queue. All three are awaiting testing but otherwise complete.

All other elements are either undergoing research, or about to have development started. I appreciate this sounds like we've not got through much work, and truthfully we're a bit disappointed with it as well; we thought we'd be going at a faster pace :(. Unfortunately there seems to be some 24-72 hour bug sweeping the San Francisco office at the moment, and at one time or another we've had several devs out of it. It's kind of messed with workflow.

Stuff to look at

We've got a pair of new mockups to comment on that deal with the filtering mechanism; this is a slightly updated mockup of the list view, and this is what the filtering tab is going to look like. All thoughts, comments and suggestions welcome on the NPT talkpage :). I'd also like to thank the people who came to our last two office hours sessions; the logs will be shortly available here.

I've also just heard that the first functional prototype for enwiki will be deployed mid-April! Really, really stoked to see this happening :). We're finding out if we can stick something up a bit sooner on or something.

I appreciate there may be questions or suggestions where I've said "I'll find out and get back to you" and then, uh. not ;p. I sincerely apologise for that: things have been a bit hectic at this end over the last few weeks. But if you've got anything I've missed, drop me a line and I'll deal with it! Further questions or issues to the usual address. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 17:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Category:Saskatchewan, Manitoba[edit]

Hi Stormbay, I have to tell you regarding of the empty category called Category:Saskatchewan, Manitoba. The category is already empty and you put the speedy deletion. And User:Jc37 already remove the "speedy deletion" template that is already been empty. Could you talk to User:Jc37 by not to remove the speedy deletion template, It looks like you have some unfinished business with you and Jc37 on the only empty Manitoba category. And maybe go to March 23, 2012 CFD nomination page and maybe remove Category:Saskatchewan, Manitoba on the list and the rest will keep. This is for you to resolve with you, User:Jc37 and the only empty category Category:Saskatchewan, Manitoba to be speedy deleted. Let me know if this is resolved. Thanks. Steam5 (talk) 06:16, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

The CFD has been closed as "No Consensus" by Jc37 and should not be modified. It is not important to me. In my mind, they should all be deleted but I will move on to something else. (I am always surprised at the amount of effort expended by some Wikipedians to enforce silly rules.) Cheers! Stormbay (talk) 18:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
There wasn't much of a discussion (hence the "no consensus" result).
It looks to me that while the categories were being boldly emptied and tagged as C1, they also got nommed at CfD. (miscommunication?)
Anyway, at this point, I'll just let the WP:BOLD action stand, though G4 won't apply in this case. - jc37 02:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
I emptied a number of the categories...didn't see it as WP:BOLD but that's fine. There appears to be little or no activity from editors doing Manitoba stuff. I'm an ex-patriot and have been all over the province. There is no use of names like Saskatchewan, Manitoba to identify a Rural Municipality. I'll move on to something more exciting. Stormbay (talk) 02:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


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Hello, Stormbay. You have new messages at Talk:Carmen Lomellin.
Message added 16:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Peridon (talk) 16:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

New Pages update[edit]

Hey Stormbay :). A quick update on how things are going with the New Page Triage/New Pages Feed project. As the enwiki page notes, the project is divided into two chunks: the "list view" (essentially an updated version of Special:NewPages) and the "article view", a view you'll be presented with when you open up individual articles that contains a toolbar with lots of options to interact with the page - patrolling it, adding maintenance tags, nominating it for deletion, so on.

On the list view front, we're pretty much done! We tried deploying it to enwiki, in line with our Engagement Strategy on Wednesday, but ran into bugs and had to reschedule - the same happened on Thursday :(. We've queued a new deployment for Monday PST, and hopefully that one will go better. If it does, the software will be ready to play around with and test by the following week! :).

On the article view front, the developers are doing some fantastic work designing the toolbar, which we're calling the "curation bar"; you can see a mockup here. A stripped-down version of this should be ready to deploy fairly soon after the list view is; I'm afraid I don't have precise dates yet. When I have more info, or can unleash everyone to test the list view, I'll let you know :). As always, any questions to the talkpage for the project or mine. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage prototype released[edit]

Hey Stormbay! We've finally finished the NPT prototype and deployed it on enwiki. We'll be holding an office hours session on the 16th at 21:00 in #wikimedia-office to show it off, get feedback and plot future developments - hope to see you there! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:31, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Shane Keating[edit]

Just for the record, Calgary is one of the few Canadian cities large and internationally prominent enough that its city councillors do potentially qualify as notable under WP:POLITICIAN (the others would be Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal), so the {{nn}} tag isn't the correct one to use on Shane Keating. It is still distinctly proddable for having no real sources, so I'm not disputing that, and neither am I disputing the {{primarysources}} tag — but strictly speaking, the nn tag is incorrect as "city councillor in Calgary" would be a perfectly legitimate claim of notability if proper sourcing were present, and the tag doesn't really need to be there in addition to all of the others anyway, since it serves little purpose besides repeating issues that the other tags are already covering. Bearcat (talk) 05:21, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Your point about notability is noted. Your supplementary comments on the prod outline it well. Thanks! Stormbay (talk) 22:12, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage/New Pages Feed[edit]

Hey all :). A notification that the prototype for the New Pages Feed is now live on enwiki! We had to briefly take it down after an unfortunate bug started showing up, but it's now live and we will continue developing it on-site.

The page can be found at Special:NewPagesFeed. Please, please, please test it and tell us what you think! Note that as a prototype it will inevitably have bugs - if you find one not already mentioned at the talkpage, bring it up and I'm happy to carry it through to the devs. The same is true of any additions you can think of to the software, or any questions you might have - let me know and I'll respond.

Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Pine Island Fort[edit]

Citation restored. Since it is also under Donald McKay I assumed you put it there to be sure I would check it. Thank you. 22:24, 2 June 2012 (UTC) Benjamin Trovato

  • Thanks! Keep up the good work on the forts, etc. Stormbay (talk) 22:40, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Merlo (company)[edit]

I'm rather bemused by your edit summary here. Are you suggesting that the Irish Independent is a trade mag? Phil Bridger (talk) 22:04, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Did you see the question mark? Do you follow me around to insult my editing? The tag was valid; the rest I included to "bemuse" you and other editors. Stormbay (talk) 22:11, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Are you incapable of giving a civil answer to a civil question? How am I following you when I edited the article before you did? And the citation that I added had a link to the Independent's article, so I don't understand how anyone could think it was a trade mag, question-marked or not, unless they were basing their editing on guesswork rather than evidence. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:30, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
      • I have had a good deal of your incivility over the years. Your "civil question" was phrased in your usual style. By its nature it is not civil. I recognize civil when I read it. Enough said! Stormbay (talk) 22:36, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


Category:Populated places in Manitoba (and thus all of its subcategories, including Category:Hamlets in Manitoba) is already a subcategory of Category:Geography of Manitoba, so hamlets and villages and rural municipalities and the like should not be added directly to Category:Geography of Manitoba in addition to their appropriate settlement-type category. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 14:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

  • No more Category:Geography of Manitoba cats unless no such cat exists...I will probably remember.  :-) Stormbay (talk) 18:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Category emptying[edit]

Please do not tag empty categories for C1 after emptying them. The criterion itself excludes categories that are emptied out of process, which is what you have been doing — if you wish to have an already-populated category deleted, you must take it through discussion. Nyttend (talk) 01:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I have to agree. There does not seem to be any reason for your removal of these categories other than a desire to delete them. You appear to be trying to do an end run around the proper procedures for doing so. Why you would do such a thing is not important, what is important is that you stop doing it and instead use CFD for categories you believe should not exist. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
  • The removal of the categories was the end product of a large clean-up of rural municipalities in Manitoba to make all the naming of them consistent...some of the Categories were simply wrong and it seemed sensible to remove them all and then someone could create a properly named category for each of the R.M.'s if someone felt it was necessary. Take a look at my editing record over the last seven years and you will notice that I don't (knowingly) request deletions without some reason. Your point on procedure is noted. I'll leave the rest alone. Replace anything that offends the criterion that applies. I find that most often less than nothing is accomplished at sites such as discussion. I will carry on with other editing that is much more interesting than trying to clean-up a rather useless (my opinion) set of categories. I hope you both will agree, after checking me out further, that I was probably well intentioned but woefully lacking in respect for/knowledge of the continually evolving proliferation of rules. Be bold is one that I do follow. (The other involves trying to use a civil tone with everyone. I hope I was successful in this instance. I tried, anyway). Happy editing! Stormbay (talk) 23:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Page Triage newsletter[edit]

Hey all. Some quick but important updates on what we've been up to and what's coming up next :).

The curation toolbar, our Wikimedia-supported twinkle replacement. We're going to be deploying it, along with a pile of bugfixes, to wikipedia on 9 August. After a few days to check it doesn't make anything explode or die, we'll be sticking up a big notice and sending out an additional newsletter inviting people to test it out and give us feedback :). This will be followed by two office hours sessions - one on Tuesday the 14th of August at 19:00 UTC for all us Europeans, and one on Wednesday the 15th at 23:00 UTC for the East Coasters out there :). As always, these will be held in #wikimedia-office; drop me a note if you want to know how to easily get on IRC, or if you aren't able to attend but would like the logs.

I hope to see a lot of you there; it's going to be a big day for everyone involved, I think :). I'll have more notes after the deployment! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 19:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

New Pages newsletter[edit]

Hey all :)

A couple of new things.

First, you'll note that all the project titles have now changed to the Page Curation prefix, rather than having the New Pages Feed prefix. This is because the overarching project name has changed to Page Curation; the feed is still known as New Pages Feed, and the Curation Toolbar is still the Curation Toolbar. Hopefully this will be the last namechange ;p.

On the subject of the Curation Toolbar (nice segue, Oliver!) - it's now deployed on Wikipedia. Just open up any article in the New Pages Feed and it should appear on the right. It's still a beta version - bugs are expected - and we've got a lot more work to do. But if you see something going wrong, or a feature missing, drop me a note or post on the project talkpage and I'll be happy to help :). We'll be holding two office hours sessions to discuss the tool and improvements to it; the first is at 19:00 UTC on 14 August, and the second at 23:00 on the 15th. Both will be in #wikimedia-office as always. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:01, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation update[edit]

Hey all :). We've just deployed another set of features for Page Curation. They include flyouts from the icons in Special:NewPagesFeed, showing who reviewed an article and when, a listing of this in the "info" flyout, and a general re-jigging of the info flyout - we've also fixed the weird bug with page_titles_having_underscores_instead_of_spaces in messages sent to talkpages, and introduced CSD logging! As always, these features will need some work - but any feedback would be most welcome.

Page Curation newsletter[edit]

Hey Stormbay. This will be, if not our final newsletter, one of the final ones :). After months of churning away at this project, our final version (apart from a few tweaks and bugfixes) is now live. Changes between this and the last release include deletion tag logging, a centralised log, and fixes to things like edit summaries.

Hopefully you like what we've done with the place; suggestions for future work on it, complaints and bugs to the usual address :). We'll be holding a couple of office hours sessions, which I hope you'll all attend. Many thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:56, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter - closing up![edit]

Hey all :).

We're (very shortly) closing down this development cycle for Page Curation. It's genuinely been a pleasure to talk with you all and build software that is so close to my own heart, and also so effective. The current backlog is 9 days, and I've never seen it that low before.

However! Closing up shop does not mean not making any improvements. First-off, this is your last chance to give us a poke about unresolved bugs or report new ones on the talkpage. If something's going wrong, we want to know about it :). Second, we'll hopefully be taking another pass over the software next year. If you've got ideas for features Page Curation doesn't currently have, stick them here.

Again, it's been an honour. Thanks :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

This is not a newsletter[edit]

This is just a tribute.

Anyway. You're getting this note because you've participated in discussion and/or asked for updates to either the Article Feedback Tool or Page Curation. This isn't about either of those things, I'm afraid ;p. We've recently started working on yet another project: Echo, a notifications system to augment the watchlist. There's not much information at the moment, because we're still working out the scope and the concepts, but if you're interested in further updates you can sign up here.

In addition, we'll be holding an office hours session at 21:00 UTC on Wednesday, 14 November in #wikimedia-office - hope to see you all there :). I appreciate it's an annoying time for non-Europeans: if you're interested in chatting about the project but can't make it, give me a shout and I can set up another session if there's enough interest in one particular timezone or a skype call if there isn't. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Talk:Peter O'Reilly (civil servant)/Comments[edit]

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Nomination of Keith Wann for deletion

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joseph laurence black[edit]

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Please see my proposal to delete/upmerge Category:2000s animated television series of Georgia (country) and Category:2010s animated television series of Georgia (country) Hugo999 (talk) 04:07, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

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Proposed deletion of Robert Barr (schoolteacher)[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Jacques Babie[edit]

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Nomination of Jacques Babie for deletion[edit]

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