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Benet Academy

Thanks for keeping an eye on the Benet page - it's one of the few I watch as well. On your recent edit deleting alumni with fact tags, I think that you were approaching it in the wrong fashion (I actually made the same mistake myself once). The cited info should prove that the person is in fact an alumni of Benet, and on most of the people listed, that isn't the case (the citation only references why the person is notable). Since many of those are from the pre-internet era (or borderline so), I really think that anyone listed that has a Wikipedia page themselves which confirms the Benet connection and isn't debated should be left on the list (yes, circular reasoning, but I've done searches for info before and it simply isn't out there on the net). As a former Benet student myself, I know that, for one, Jim Ryan definitely went to school. Frankly, I think that the list should only be pruned for notability or completely false statements.

Whoops, here's the signature....Basket548 (talk) 19:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Sounds fair. How about this, for Jim Ryan alone, give me a little bit of time to find out; the others I don't much care about. Thanks!Basket548 (talk) 21:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Virginia DOC

The link you gave to WP:NOTMEMORIAL says that Wikipedia "is not the place to honor departed friends and relatives. Subjects of encyclopedia articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements." So, since the table wasn't honoring my departed friends or relatives, wouldn't that satisfy the notability requirements as the names had to do with the article itself? Most DOC and law enforcment articles have Fallen Officer tables in them. So, why remove the table? I'm just sort of perplexed why that one article had to have it removed. Any explanation would be greatly appreciated.Mbsusmc (talk) 01:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Space Coast Area Transit

Wondering if I can recruit you to work on Space Coast Area Transit? Page got deleted once (I did not see any AfD discussion). I started off a new one, but am not familiar enough with SCAT/Brevard County to expand on it. Thanks. Gamweb (talk) 21:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments; DanTD and Secondarywaltz also contributed to the page. I usually check better-developed pages for ideas on what to add to stubs and less developed pages. Maybe you could check these for ideas on what to add to the SCAT page:

Vermont transportation systems

Just saw the new template. If you are going to create more, perhaps you should refer to this state list: from the American Public Transportation Association. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Melbourne High School (Melbourne, Florida)

Since you seemed to have worked hard on the article, I just wanted to tell you that I found a lot of references for some of the articles claims and added them. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 00:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:Escambia County Sheriffs

I notice that this category you created is unpopulated (empty). In other words, no Wikipedia pages belong to it. If it remains unpopulated for four days, it may be deleted, without discussion, in accordance with Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#C1. I'm notifying you in case you wish to (re-)populate it by adding [[Category:Escambia County Sheriffs]] to articles/subcategories that belong in it.

I tagged the category page. This will not, in itself, cause the category to be deleted. It serves to document (in the page history) that the category was empty at the time of tagging and also to alert other watchers that the category is in jeopardy. You are welcome to remove the tag if you wish. However, doing so will not prevent deletion if the category remains empty.

If you created the category in error, or it is no longer needed, you can speed up the deletion process by tagging it with {{db-author}}.

I am a human being, not a bot, so you can contact me if you have questions about this. Best regards, --Stepheng3 (talk) 02:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The {{db-author}} tag you added isn't effective because it isn't transcluded. You need to delete the tl| so that the template will be transcluded. --Stepheng3 (talk) 16:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Quick question on Fairbanks Daily News-Miner cats

I know we disagree about the "Early Years" section on this article (I'll go back and rewrite it shorter once I figure out where I'm taking the article; I do think you've got a point), and I wanted to ask you a question about the general MediaNews Group category box. I browsed over to the MediaNews Web site, and it [doesn't list the News-Miner or Kodiak Daily Mirror as properties] in light of that and the citation I added about ownership, do you think it'd be appropriate to remove those two papers from the link box? JKBrooks85 (talk) 07:59, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I've found sources that state that the paper is owned by two family trusts -- those of Dean Singleton and Richard Scudder, the founders of MediaNews. I think the confusion arises from the fact that the News-Miner takes advantage of that connection when purchasing supplies and things like that. Other than when purchasing things, it seems to be independent. JKBrooks85 (talk) 12:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Recent Antalya Work

Just a few words of appreciation for your efforts at moving the Antalya article toward encyclopedic standards. Coupled with that, an observation: while not a travel guide, many elements that may naturally be at home someplace like WikiTravel may, in the proper form, be appropriate at this venue; to point: features connected to but outside of the municipality may merit some mention here as a utility to this article. Not looking like a travel guide is a secondary consideration to including pertinent content; your edits seem to me judicious- when leaving edit comments, however, indicating municipal boundary as cause isn't as decisive as a judgment of pertinence. I tend to end up playing linguistic-gymnastics attempting to work in poorly contrived text or seemingly random content- it's a relief to see your decisive hand at work.--Mavigogun (talk) 13:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


Hey on the crusade article, i just tried to add reference to where it was needed. Just curious what mistake did i do ?

Thanks for fixing it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saab 1989 (talkcontribs) 01:49, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


Not sure why the material is being deleted. Could you please furnish edit summaries for future changes so we can all understand the deletes? Thanks. Student7 (talk) 20:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I created historiography of the Crusades. You seem to understand the subject of the article well, whose purpose is to better distinguish the actual events from the historical perception of the events, an issue which is highly sociological and which often resembles debates surrounding other historical events, such as the Inquisition or the Witch hunts. By the way, User:Adam Bishop apparently read the article and added it to the Crusades project. He had already been planning to create an article about historiography, but I guess I did it before him. ADM (talk) 20:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for cleaning up University of Dallas! Sometimes I feel like the only one who is going through school articles and cleaning them up :-) tedder (talk) 14:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

You are an Internet Warrior!

It's dangerous to go alone. Take this. Frumbionsdz (talk) 07:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

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hello there, i saw your post on the Dunfermline talk page about the town centre and i agree. i think it would be a good idea to (temporarily) scrap the section as there is little of interest and incorporate the info into a larger section, about Dunfermline's economy (like Kirkcaldy) Kilnburn (talk) 16:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Melbourne Village

Am ok with the caps on subtitles, but FYI -- for my "day job", I write lots of proposals for the US Gov't, and their writing standards include the use of Title Caps on subsections. The professional technical writers and editors that we employ also use Title Case for these instances. I understand Wikipedia uses a different standard, just giving you some info on other ways of writing/editing. TMVMayor (talk) 11:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

middle school reverts

Any comments on how to handle this? I merged it, since it's non-notable, but it's getting reverted. In the past I might have taken it to an AfD, but deletion isn't the desired outcome- it's almost like I want a "binding AfM" where AfM is "articles for merge". tedder (talk) 04:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


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tedder (talk) 00:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi .. With reference to " Indian Orthodox Church", please dont add back the heading, "Anglican" Influence, it got nothing to do with the church history and please dont add the title "Further Divisions and Split" because no Orthodox christian would like to see such and heading on their church page and also thats not what should be there on the church's page. Regarding the Chart, its part correct and part wrong, since the same chart is no there on the pages of any kerala based christian churches, why have it here in this page.. kindly see to it that the changes made are not reverted back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Page duplication alert

separate article on ST. thomas christian history already exists

editors are please requested to check wikipedia pages before they create new pages, in order to avoid duplication. A separate article dealing with history of the saint thomas christian history already exists. It is called History of the Saint Thomas Christian tradition. It has been in existence for a long time and with references. It has been edited by several hundreds of people over a long time.

A new article without references has been created on the same topic called History of the Saint Thomas Christians by largely a single author user:student7 only two weeks ago on 2nd of may 2009. Much of the new article is without references and most of all the topic is a duplication of a page that already exists. It has to be redirected to the already existing article that is being constantly edited by several hunderds of people over a long time. Vagab (talk) 10:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

To anyone that is with Bill W

Is this site for real and is this a realistic form to communicate with others? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You have a reply waiting...

I've replied to your post and query at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#Country outline contest proposal.


The Transhumanist 03:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


I suggest using the "New section" link at the top of a talk page to create a new section instead of editing the last section on the page, so that this does not happen again. It happened because the section that you edited was actually transcluded from another page, so you edited the transcluded page. I had moved your message to the actual talk page. Gary King (talk) 23:30, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


saw your comments about the "landmarks" section on the Dunfermline talk page. since i did all the work, i feel i'm to blame in some way or another. but, i consider these buildings to be "landmarks". if you know how this section should be addressed, then get into contact with me, thank you. Kilnburn (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Articles on Saint Thomas Christians

I am not keen in merging or correcting or even deleting these articles. So I do not wish to make any comments. These articles are not scholarly but political ones.

Almost all the entries about Mar Thoma Church in the article Saint Thomas Christian tradition are not true and are unacceptable. It seems that someone keeps on writing like this probably thinking that if a lie is repeated 100 times it becomes a truth. (For the hundredth one, he will have 99 citations to quote). Also that makes me think that all the other entries in this article are equally false.

The entries are not based on any historical facts. They and even some of their references are of no use when there are records available at the archives in India and in Kerala. I am sure that ancient records and buildings that are still standing intact, within the four corners of Kerala is mocking at these statements.

All Malankara Syrian Christians are Malayalies and their mother tongue is Malayalam. But the names given in these articles on Malankara Christians belong to some other language or some other age.

Two statements given at the beginning in the rough chronology are selected below and my questions are given in brackets. The remaining statements are nothing better than this one.

In my, opinion, these articles seems to have been written by the wise for the foolish to believe. So I prefer these articles be left untouched.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


I hoped my spammer bingo would actually reduce the general flow of random complaints on my talk page. While it doesn't always work, I think its been effective. TastyPoutine talk (if you dare) 17:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Polite request

Would you, please, avoid further leaving messages like the last one on my talk page? Thank you.-- (talk) 00:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

(The "message" in question was a WP:3RR warning!  :) Student7 (talk) 11:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

History according to some

That template's content was of the view that Jacobite Syrian Church came under Antiochene Patriach only in the 16th century which is not a view accepted by all but a portion of the historians of Indian Church. Such a POV should not be put in that article. Sorry that I didn't put an edit summary. --ܠܝܓܘ Liju ലിജു לג"ו (talk) 04:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I am no way accusing you of any bias my friend. IMO history compilations are rarely helpful and often lead to issues like this. Rather What we could do is put up a template on the histories put up by each church as that it is view held by them and maybe even point to a neutral article.

The reason I didn't edit the history was that I didn't want to mess up the template created you.

Btw about the chart The Malankara Catholic Church split from the Malankara Orthodox Church not from Jacobite Syrian Church. You can check it over the internet.

--ܠܝܓܘ Liju ലിജു לג"ו (talk) 11:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Antiochean bishops in Kerala

The Jacobite Syrian Church came under Antiochene Patriach only in the 16th century, is not a correct statement. A section of that Church came under the Antiochene Patriarch only in 1876. (ME. Edavom 19, 1051) at the Synod of Mulanthuruthi. (For details refer: Mulanthuruthi Padiola)

There is a common belief that bishops from Antioch who had visited the Malankara Church regularly, had some kind of jurisdiction over Malankara Church. Many people may believe it. But there are no historical evidences to support this belief. To understand how they happened to come to Malankara (Kerala), purpose of their visit, how they spent their time there, and why most of them were banished from Kerala are given in the annals of the Dutch East India Company. (Ref:Press List of Ancient Dutch Records-1657-1825.)

Moreover, It is believed by many, that Mar Gregorius Abdul Jaleel who confirmed the consecration of Mar Thoma I in 1665 came from Antioch. But recent discoveries of some of his own papers, throw doubt on this claim.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 15:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Windham County (Vt.) formation date

Hi. As you are very familiar with Vermont local history, you might be interested in weighing in on a dispute on whether Windham County in Vermont was formed in 1779 or 1781. See Talk:Windham County, Vermont. --Polaron | Talk 03:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Humble Request

1. Why have a chart and timeline on the Indian Orthodox church page, when none of the other kerala churches do not have them.

2. The Chart is utterly wrong. The first Eurpoeans to set foot in India, are portuguese in the 15th century. They brought Catholicism. The British in the 19th century brought Anglican church to India.

3. About the heading, 'Anglican Influence', the orthodox church had a small time association with the anglicans, say less than 50 years. Is that a BIG history that should be put on the page for a 2000 year old Church.


PLEASE NOTE: The Chart you have shown is not the one to come on this particular page, non of the 2 million would likes to see it their, if you want that to be their, put the same chart on all the kerala churches wiki pages..... Why do such partiality if you have more powers to edit the pages...

I would suggest you start seriously reading history from secular sources, before disappointing 2 million people... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal

I would personally prefer Roman Catholic sex abuse cases instead of Sex abuse cases of the Roman Catholic Church because the first name indicates that the cases are being committed by certain deviant individuals, and not by the Church itself. The Church is comparable to a large human corporation, which includes both laity and clergy with all their faults, and so to imply that the abuse cases are of the Roman Catholic Church would be like writing Sex abuse cases of the United States of America or Sex abuse cases of the People's Republic of China, which is technically inaccurate, at least in human terms. ADM (talk) 01:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ex Corde Ecclesiae Catholic Colleges

I was wondering if you could clarify a couple things about this template. I asked some questions at Template talk:Ex Corde Ecclesiae US Catholic colleges. If you could respond, I would appreciate it. Thanks. -Twinkie eater91 (talk) 20:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, this template was proposed for deletion (not by me). Here is the entry in TfD. Although I decided to weakly support deletion, I wanted to make sure you got a chance to comment. -Twinkie eater91 (talk) 02:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

All SOAPBOX stuff in regard to Syro Malabar Catholic Church needs to be deleted

Wikipedia has IMHO lost its credibility to serious seekers of information because anyone may write an article anyone may edit it. Although Wikipedia claims anyone may upload images, messages and edit, the Syro Malabar Catholic Church page has pictures uploaded to sell a particular political view, which cannot be changed. Someone is following every change minutely and making changes promptly to suit their own political agenda. So what good does any attempt at adding information do? Who gets to make decisions on what kind of information may or may not be posted? So all input that reeks of political takes need to be deleted. The images, although political have been protected. Hence they continue to stand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DieWahrheitBitte (talkcontribs) 02:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

History of Schismatic Churches in Kerala

Until the arrival of the Portuguese in 1498, there were only St Thomas Christians in Kerala (referred to as Malabar in earlier writings). Roman Catholics set up their missionary base in Cochin under Portuguese rulers and converted Hindus to Roman Catholicism. Synod of Diamper (Udayamperur) of 1599 which took place in Cochin, within the boundary of king of Cochin, who had granted the Portuguese trading rights, brought all St Thomas Christians in full communion with RCC. The first schism, Coonan Cross Oath (Koonan Kurushu Sathyam), took place at Mattancherry near Fort Cochin in 1653. While St Thomas Christians in full communion with Roman Catholic Church continued to follow the Syriac Liturgy of Addai and Mari, there is a big blank on what Rite the schismatics followed, although they claim to have got a bishop from the Middle East in 1665. Their history is picked up again in Kottayam in Travancore State with the arrival of CMS British missionaries. The Divinity college run by CMS trained schismatic clergy for 20 years. The further divisions among schismatics took place after that. A Jacobite bishop from the Middle East made his first appearance after that. The original schismatics of 1653 call themselves Malankara. Some of them became Jacobites, some others joined full communion with the Anglican church and became the Mar Thoma Church. In 1930, some of the Jacobites and Malankara joined forces and came in full communion with RCC. None of them follow the original Liturgy followed by the St Thomas Christians. There is no proof whatsoever that they were St Thomas Christians who broke away originally in 1653. They could well have been new Roman Catholic converts who first came under the influence of Dutch reformists and later the CMS who trained their clergy for twenty years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DieWahrheitBitte (talkcontribs) 02:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Town board members

Can you explain quickly how members of town boards are elected? My concern is with districts — are towns generally divided into districts that elect a member each, or are they all elected together at town meeting, or something else? Nyttend (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I specifically mean Vermont towns, BTW. Nyttend (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Delays? You answered in less than an hour. Thanks for the detailed answer; I was trying to determine whether South Woodstock was specifically represented by one member of the board or another. Nyttend (talk) 22:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I understood that; thanks. You didn't misunderstand me at all. Nyttend (talk) 23:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hartford Village Historic District

I'm in kind of a debate with User:Nyttend about whether Hartford Village Historic District is better off merged together with Hartford (village), Vermont. I'm not sure how familiar you are with Vermont's historic districts on the National Register of Historic Places but your local knowledge would be helpful in determining whether separate articles or one unified article is better. Thanks. --Polaron | Talk 03:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Please see the (long) discussion at Talk:List of RHPs in CT for background discussion on why it is almost always appropriate to allow NRHP historic district articles to grow separately from articles about the towns, unincorporated villages, other political entities that may include them. For one thing, it is hard to have the debate about a merger if there is not separate development of information on both topics, which are usually clearly different. Note, a historic district is like a museum, and its importance is in how its artifacts, mostly buildings, speak to some events and period of history. A village has history preceding that, not spoken to by the buildings, and modern history, and so on. doncram (talk) 07:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

There's not really a main discussion but there is some at Talk:Hartford (village), Vermont. If it seems more reasonable in this particular case for a split, you can state more specific reasons there. Thanks again. --Polaron | Talk 15:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


Just hoping that you've not personally encountered the Rutland County snakes in a painful fashion :-) Nyttend (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Henry Adams in England

You should check out the sections of his Education of Henry Adams regarding this and the lead up to the Civil War. Most public libraries have this in the Library of America edition. His take is fascinating to anyone interested in that period. Nitpyck (talk) 05:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Robber in West Danville

Just curious, why remove? The national media attention seems to make this a significant occurrence for a small community such as Danville. Nyttend (talk) 15:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Soapbox derby

Sorry to pile on questions; I've fallen behind on my watchlist, so I'm getting caught back up.

What do you mean about "The only Soap Box Derby is held in the city annually" at Newport — the city's only derby, the county's, or the state's? Nyttend (talk) 17:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

St. Patrick's High School (Liberia)


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(Forked the above from another article where it was not flagged! Changed it substantially cause it was poorly worded. Hmmpph!).Student7 (talk) 22:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of St. Patrick's High School (Liberia)

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Editor declines are communication on this although the article has been reworded at least twice! And never copied by me to start with!Student7 (talk) 13:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Again, could you please clarify what article you forked it off? Also, the paragraph regarding the nuns have been added by you later on, and these are copy / pasted from this source. MLauba (talk) 13:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Answered on Talk:St._Patrick's_High_School_(Liberia)#Copyright violation. Article originally came to me from Congregation of the Holy Cross (paragraph was deleted from there and moved to article. Student7 (talk) 14:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I've stricken the warning above because vio was obviously done by another contributor. Note though that a fork should be properly mentioned both in the article'ss edit summary and on its talk page, the latter using the {{copied}} template to make sure we can retrace the contribution history to its proper source - in this particular case to notify the right person of the copyright issue :)
Sorry for the stress it caused. I took the liberty to work a bit on the temporary subpage to make up for it. Best, MLauba (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Student7. I appreciate your efforts to rewrite this article. In some sentences it worked. However, altering a few words will not relieve a paragraph of plagiarism. If the overall sentence structure and content are the same, then it is still plagiarism. For example, this sentence:

A year following his consecration, Carroll made the arrangements for the Brothers of Holy Cross to come to Liberia and take over St. Patrick’s High School in 1962.

is an almost exact replica of this text: A year following his consecration as the succeeding Bishop of Monrovia, he made arrangements for the Brothers of Holy Cross to come to Liberia and take over the management of St. Patrick’s High School in 1962.

You can find more information at WP:PLAGIARISM which will help you when writing future articles. I've rewritten the article to remove the problem text and removed the copyvio template. If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask me. CactusWriter | needles 09:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

(why did the bot catch the new article but didn't catch it when it was part of a Wikipedia article? Oh, well). Student7 (talk) 12:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Having User:CactusWriter's talk page on my watchlist still, I noticed your note to him about copying the text from another Wikipedia article. As Wikipedia:Splitand Help:Merge set out, when we duplicate material from one article to another, we have to provide a direct link to the source article. This is necessary because Wikipedia's contributors do not release their material into public domain, but retain rights to authorship under the terms of our licenses, CC-By-SA and GFDL. This wikilink satisfies that requirement by allowing readers to access the history and see who contributed what and when. Usually, we put into the edit summary something along the lines of "Copied from Sourcearticle". Then, we note the reuse as well in an edit summary at the source article. That would read like "Material copied to destination article", in this case. This helps make sure that the article is not later deleted, as it cannot be as long as the article to which the material has been copied remains. We also have an optional template for the talk pages of both articles at {{Copied}} (instructions for using it found there). If you have copied material from one Wikipedia article to another in the past, please go back and indicate where the text came from, and should you find yourself needing to reuse text in the future, please be sure to follow the licensing requirements of providing attribution. Thanks! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
This is all very interesting, but I am working on my 20,0001st edit and I have seldom, if ever, seen this done in actual practice. The material was clearly in the wrong place to start with - a large school history in the middle of an article about a religious congregation, where it clearly did not belong. When I moved it, no one missed it!  :)
Interesting idea though. Student7 (talk) 13:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
It's a legal requirement. Please note at the bottom of every edit screen it currently says, "You agree to be credited, at minimum, through a hyperlink or URL when your contributions are reused in any form." If text is used outside of the licensing requirements, the copyright is violated. As our copyrights policy notes, Wikipedia's contributors do not relinquish their copyright to material; they only license it for reuse under specific circumstances, which includes attribution. See also [1]. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Hey, Student7 -- I just wanted to add this one last note. I do realize that you were accidentally caught in the crossfire on this thing. And I sincerely appreciate your help in cleaning this up. And... well, sorry about cluttering up your talk page. That should be enough for one day (or a month). Cheers. CactusWriter | needles 16:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Palm Bay Changes

Good catch on the education stat. In my head it was "Education" not "Schools". It's in the same place on the other municipality pages, so they'll need to be moved.

As for the bolds being removed, could you point out where in the Wikipedia:MOS it talks about bolding? I did a quick scan and couldn't find anything. I don't doubt it's there, but I'd like to see what it says, as I've formatted lists like that on the other city pages and eventually I'd like to solidify a format. Culicidae (talk) 20:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


please understand this, student7. during my recent work on Kirkcaldy to aim towards FA status, i was advised to cut down the length of the article and to merge some sections (such as sports into culture). no other user has told me that i couldn't do this and that i was ignoring the guidelines. if i had left sports as a seperate article, Kirkcaldy would be too long to meet the requirements. other examples such as Glenrothes and Dundee don't have seperate articles, the info is incorporated in culture. sport clubs are "part" of a town's/city's culture aren't they. there isn't enough sports info to warrant a seperate section, maybe i could add a bit more about Pittencrieff Park, but the point is the history and importance of the park are part of Dunfermline's culture.

also the reason i'm removing the notables section all the time is there are no references at all and are we sure that John Forbes was "even" born in Dunfermline? thing i read that he was actually born in Edinburgh, but was brought up in Pittencrieff House, according to the Dunfermline Carnegie Trust. Kilnburn (talk) 22:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

How do you propose a whole group of pages for deletion?

Never mind! I can see you are busy and I decided to ask Anthony Appleyard instead. He does a lot of work with deletions. Thanks anyhow!

--MelanieN (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

The articles I proposed for deletion - a whole flood of pages and categories related to the San Diego Trolley - have been posted here. MelanieN (talk) 15:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
The consensus was to keep them. MelanieN (talk) 01:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

Wickham park in Melbourne

I reverted that edit because the two edits made from that IP in in the previous few minutes had both been blatant vandalism, and I thought it was just some subtle vandalism. So no problem with putting it back. -- Donald Albury 00:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

It happened in Kerala

Malankara Church is in Kerala and their history is what had happened in Kerala. Their language is Malayalam. Their records had been written in their language.

Note that certain original documents are not expected to be published. They are available for study by authorized persons only.

If there is a common history during the first fifteen centuries, from where will you take the citations? Books on each topic are plenty, so that you can prepare the dishes according to your taste and make others believe it. It is a fact that the Malankara Church is now divided into many fragments. So leave it as seven or eight different churches so they can write their own interpretations and select suitable citations. Believing it or not is left to the readers.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 16:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I can not agree with the statements by User:Neduvelilmathew. He says the language is Malayalam. I hope he knows when Malayalam was developed as a language.

While talking about fifteen century Malayalm doesnot know come in picture. The old documents of this community are mostly in Syriac. Most of these are published in English, Latin and Portuguese with the documents available from 16th century onwards.

For the first fifteen century or for a common article , there are plenty sources available to use for citation.

Of course there are many local books written in Malayalam in 21st century with Apologetic mis representations and factually in correct information.Pamparam (talk) 22:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Irasburg, Vermont

Confused, what's the source for the shire town in 1816? Nyttend (talk) 21:48, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

please consider voting

on and issue regarding the name of this article here [2]. I opposed it because we arrived at the current name as a result of a six months long mediation and overwhelming evidence that tertiary sources say this is the name the entity claimed as its title. NancyHeise talk 21:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


I can not agree with the statements in History of the Saint Thomas Christians &: Template:Indian Christian History 52-1653. Most of the statements are nonsense with no references from any records that I am aware and accounts for misrepresentation. There is lot of nonsense in Wikipedia in Thomas history. There are also forking which I have already noted on the talk page. At present I am more interested in correcting the Syro Malabar Church article with proper references and true – quotations.

Of course there would be some shared history in that article. I don’t see anything wrong in that, when it is properly referenced and based on facts. This is considering that the other articles are sourcless ie, most of the statements which even has citation can not be found.

I will definitely look in to those articles when I have time. I don’t know why there is any need of 6 or 7 articles about shared history. It is waste of time and forking.In my opinion, these articles need to be merged as i noted on the talk pagePamparam (talk) 05:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I have made a suggestion in I think the common articles were reduced to two, it would make it easier to present a factual history. If Editors want to add more content to sections, they can create sub pages and that will limit the forking and repetition.Pamparam (talk) 06:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all the suggestions and recommendations. I have moved the discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian Christianity

I have not made any edits on the Six articles after that. I will wait what everyone has to say on this. Thank you.Pamparam (talk) 01:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, lets wait for few days for some comments.It would be painstaking to correct all these.Pamparam (talk) 07:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

U.S. Naval Academy - Rear Admiral (Select) Matthew Klunder

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I did not make the original change. The gist of my comment to you is that the term RADM (sel) is, in fact, official useage. It is used by the Navy and by the Department of Defense and is included in official guidance. Mhjohns (talk) 15:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

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"pepper", Valletta

Any synonyms you can think of? Ελληνικά όρος ή φράση (talk) 11:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

wikiproject cities

Thanks for pointing me to Wikiproject Cities (via the discussion about where to put libraries, where BTW I totally agree with you). I have completely reorganized the Point Loma article to bring it into line with the Wikiproject cities guidelines. When you get a chance, please check it out and make any modifications or corrections you think would improve it. --MelanieN (talk) 16:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

Thanks for your quick response. Actually the Wikiproject cities guiidelines put "origin of the name" under history, that's why I moved it there. Is there some other guideline, that puts it under geography? -- (talk) 23:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

S.R. Hall

Thanks for the pointer — I read his article and saw nothing about Brownington other than it being his place, but I never thought to look elsewhere in the Brownington article. Nyttend (talk) 14:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

christianity in India image

1. The Christian cross on the map of India seems an pictorial representation of the late pope's (John Paul II) call for "planting the cross firmly in Asia" and "reaping a rich harvest of souls". 2. No other country that I checked is treated in a similar manner (cross on map). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mntzr (talkcontribs) 23:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


Hi Student7, I believe that 1565 is correct. That was the year of the climatic siege. I believe that 1523 was the year the Knights arrived in Malta after losing Rhodes. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 01:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. As I recall, the numbers "65" appeared, a typo, I now realize, then changed to a 1565. But no edit summary with either one. Not sure if it was made in front of a footnote. It seemed unusual from a registered user, but it seemed reasonable to revert. Pretty much looked like something a vandal would do and has done! If you could fill in edit summaries that would help. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 11:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Attack on Pearl Harbor

Regarding [3], can you provide a page number? Thanks and cheers, —Ed (TalkContribs) 02:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Deliberate redlinking

Did not understand why you were deliberately red-linking names in Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas (Angelicum).Student7 (talk) 13:14, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

The only name I redlinked was Charles Moredod, due to the fact that he is a prominent theologian and ecumenical expert in the Roman Curia. I had created a stub article in the meantime, but it did not appear that way immediately because of a linking problem (i.e. Moredod instead of Morerod). ADM (talk) 13:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Not a problem. I had thought there was also a Latin motto or group or something, but I must have been mistaken. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 13:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Regarding Nova et Vetera, I'd also like to create it as a stub article for the notable theological review founded by Father Charles Journet. I haven't done that yet, but the redlinking is obviously part of the creation process. I might create a disambiguation page first though, due to the fact that Nova et Vetera can also be a latin motto for several other things. ADM (talk) 13:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Your revert at government of India

There is a notice in the constitution of India, that the indian government is called union of india. please check the passage in the constitution. The name is also used in the courts of India. -- (talk) 22:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Crusades article

Hi. In the Crusades article, you removed, without discussion, my Further Reading to Erdmann's classic book on the origin of the concept of crusades which has been translated into English and published by Princeton as The Origin of the Idea of Crusade, trans. M. W. Baldwin & Walter Goffart (Princeton, 1977).

  • Erdmann, Carl, Die Enstehung des Kreuzzugsgedanken, Forschungen zur Kirchen- und Geistesgeschichte 6 (Stuttgart, 1935). English trans.: The Origin of the Idea of Crusade, trans. M. W. Baldwin & Walter Goffart (Princeton, 1977).

Your editing comment was:

  • 20:16, 21 September 2009 Student7 (talk | contribs) (64,709 bytes) (Undid revision 315003505 by Wikiklrsc (talk) rv good faith edit. ref okay if necessary in lang other than English, but not useful for "further reading" for English readers) (undo)

Erdmann's book is classic. Why not have it? It's in English. I didn't quite understand your comment in context.

Please advise. Thanks and bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 23:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reply and explanation. That's what I thought it might be. I agree that they way I entered the citation made it look ostensibly like a German book and not in English, so I re-worked the citation. It's been a pleasure working with you ! Best wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 15:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Requested move of Harbor Island, San Diego

I've boldy closed this request and moved the discussion here as this affects so many articles. Hopefully you'll agree with this close. You may wish to comment in the new discussion. Dpmuk (talk) 15:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Good faith edits aren't vandalism

As (talk) seems to be acting in good faith on Government of India, vandal is an improper term, however unconstructive their edits may be. Gabbe (talk) 22:57, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

His first edit, deleting a lot of useful lead material read, "<ref>CONSTITUTION OF INDIA 300. (1) The Government of India may sue or be sued..." Another registered editor thought this was vandalism as well, when the editor restored it.Student7 (talk) 15:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I would suggest re-reading the definition of vandalism at WP:VANDAL. Also, you might want to read the (now archived) discussion at WP:ANI#uncivil editors/vandalism charges against me. Gabbe (talk) 16:03, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Really bad edits may be mistaken for vandalism by good faith editors! Student7 (talk) 16:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
(Kind of like walking into a burning building, putting the fire out (while screaming a deprecation at the arsonist). When the fire department shows up, the arsonist flings himself, weeping, into the arms of the fire chief and says, "He called me names! The fire chief sympathizes with the arsonist, and walks away shaking his finger and glaring at the volunteer fire fighters! )12:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


Since the major complaint about lovebugs is the effect they have on motor vehicles, I thought that providing advice on how to protect or clean the outer surface of such was appropriate to the article. Especially considering some of the way-out advice I have seen there in the past. Perhaps that text should not be under "Semi-annual pest status" but under "Management. Thomas R. Fasulo (talk) 01:42, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Governors Towne Club

Thanks for your notice, I'm going ahead for an afd. All the google hits are in fact either promotional or non-notable regional news. De728631 (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Bishops sending stuff to India, 883

It might be that the "Bishop of Sherborne" bit should come out. The Chronicle entry for 883 says that Sighelm and Æþelstan went to Rome and to India (and þy ilcan geare laedde Sighelm and æþelstan þa ælmessan to Rome the ælfred cyning gehet þyder, and eac on Indea to Sancte Thome and to Sancte Bartholomeæ). It does not mention Sighelm's position nor Æthelstan's. Either one might have been a monk or a thegn or a soldier or anything.

I believe this is the only record of the journey (it does not even say they managed to get to India) but that there were later Mediaeval expansions of the legend, which might have added unreliable material, promoting Sighelm to be a bishop.

Howard Alexander (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

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La Salle People

I compiled a long list of La Salle people in media and broadcasting. Why did you delete it? They are all public, relevant people - even if they aren't all listed on Wikipedia. (talk) 22:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

No where in the article does it say "notable". The people listed are merely information related to the article - List of La Salle University people. Presumably, all information on Wikipedia needs to be notable, but not all of the information itself is notable enough to merit it's own page. Therefore, considering the aim of this article, it's perfectly reasonable to list individuals who do not have their own pages on Wikipedia (as long as they bring notablity to the article itself). (talk) 17:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

A great number of the listed people you removed were television and radio journalists who are in the public spotlight in their regional areas. In addition, their names linked to their television station's bio. Those individuals, at the very least, should be allowed. Wikipedia has already acknowledged that regional TV personalities are notable in many, many cases. (talk) 19:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Query regarding User talk:

Hello. Just curious, but why are you removing the section headers that are recommended at WP:UTM? — Kralizec! (talk) 22:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Problems with references

I went ahead and properly formatted the recent reference you added on Florida(for the housing costs thing), with a link to the article (it's available on the Sun Gazette site for now, and with the title, can be pulled up at a later date). Thanks for adding more than just a bare reference; I noticed that you added a section a couple of months ago (on Architecture) with bare links. As those links are now broken (Florida Today only keeps links active for 7 days before they disappear behind the pay firewall), there is no way to verify the information. We have no date of publication, no title, no page number, not even an author. Please don't add bare references. Horologium (talk) 02:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

St. Joseph Parish, Norwich

Continuation of discussion is on Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 October 15#St. Joseph Parish, Norwich. You need strong arguments --WlaKom (talk) 18:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Soviet Union

Actually, you reverted the phrase I fixed back to "tore up" yourself for some reason, along with two other unrelated edits. To explain this further, the original Russian phrase is "разорвать соглашение" which literally means "to tear up [the] agreement". The correct English translation of the verb in this case is "to dissolve". Evidently, someone tried to translate this from a Russian source lacking the knowledge of the proper connotation in one of the languages. There is no emotion or bias in this, just a translation error. --Illythr (talk) 23:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think "tore up" must be used. As I said, it is a translation error, which I corrected to "dissolved", thanks to you (see the diffs above). Then you reverted back to "tore up" (apparently, by mistake), and then complained about the phrase you reverted to being POV. :-) --Illythr (talk) 00:30, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
No problem, glad we could clear that one up *and* improve the article. Mutual understanding is a rare commodity nowadays. :-) --Illythr (talk) 13:16, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

AfD on Euclid D. Farnham

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An article that you may have an opinion on, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Euclid D. Farnham. This is not to solicit a vote either way, but I would value your input. Thank you. Mickmaguire (talk) 17:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Arlington streets

I definitely see where you got your information for the street mileage in Arlington. However, I thought you should know that the article Streets and highways of Arlington County, Virginia claims the mileage is 559 miles. This needs to be resolved. --Tim Sabin (talk) 17:14, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


Regarding the reference to the War in the Vendee in the Anticlericalism article, it is not the killing of the Republicans by the Vendeans which is considered the first modern genocide. Rather, it is the the massacre of the Vendeans by the Republicans. The text was unclear. I will clarify and add appropriate cites. Mamalujo (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Vote Re CC origins and historians differing POV's

Hello Student7, sorry to bother you but we are having a vote on the Catholic Church page regarding whether or not to include the dispute among historians regarding the Church origins. Can you please come an give us your vote so we can come to consensus? Vote is taking place here [4] Thanks! NancyHeise talk 01:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Somalian Catholics

I appreciate your intervention in the article, Student7. A Somali moslem is adding data not needed, like about the Bantu used by the Italian colonists in plantations (but what has to do this fact with catholicism in Somalia?). Indeed, many moslem countries have the same small amount of catholic followers (or even less, like in the Arabian peninsula), but they are all worth to be included in an encyclopedia like ours. That is what makes worlwide renowned Wikipedia. Sincerely.--LittleTony (talk) 16:33, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Burlington edit series

I'm quite unsure what to make of this series of edits; would you check it out? Nyttend (talk) 03:03, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I have a couple of questions: (1) Why do you think that college sports for a school in Burlington are inappropriate to mention at the city article? Many larger cities without major professional sports mention their college sports teams. (2) Is the Burlington/Plattsburg ferry the one you'd travel if you were coming east from Lake Placid? I went that way on a family vacation several years before I was in college (the worst part of our trip: the hot dog stand where we ate lunch took so long that we missed the ferry and had to wait hours for the next!), the only time I've been to Vermont. Nyttend (talk) 13:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for Euclid D. Farnham

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Greetings. If you check the source of the IP address,, who's edits you reverted on USAA, it resolves to USAA itself. So they might need to be warned about {{COI}}. Cheers! --Nsaum75 (talk) 23:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

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Nsaum, I didn't do the revert but do have a reply to your COI remark: 1. Being from a company and editing the blog entry are not necessarily a COI 2. There are up to 2 thousand contractors in the USAA building, so a USAA IP address does not equal to an employee

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The changes from SSA to SA are correct, maybe not verifyable, but correct. Time will prove this to be true.

I understand that wikipedia has prioritized authentication over correctness/fact. All wikipedia readers and editors should be aware of this necessary flaw in wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Irina Iordachescu

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re your message

Thanks! I think it's great that Benet has an article here, and I hope that I will be able to improve it even more in the future. Benny the mascot (talk) 22:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Vermont Wikipedia page

Heads-up that I sent you an email RE: a Vermont Wikipedia page. RandomPrecisionMedia (talk) 15:46, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


Just curious why you think the dome thing needed to be pared back — in my mind, the city official's continue defense of the idea helps to explain why they were considering building it in the first place. Nyttend (talk) 05:18, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Arlington, Virginia

Hi, Student7. Just to let you know that I checked out the ref, and Maj. Hassan was, indeed, born in Arlington. --Tim Sabin (talk) 15:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Hugh Beringar

Hi, Student7! Regarding your addition of "deputy" to Sheriff Beringar's portrayal in the Cadfael movies: is he always portrayed as deputy sheriff in the movies? Because in the books he is promoted from deputy sheriff to acting sheriff in "Dead Man's Ransom"; he is later confirmed by King Stephen as the Sheriff of Shrewsbury, and that is his position for the rest of the series. --MelanieN (talk) 17:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

The dark side

No, I don't go over to the dark side until April 1. Happy editing! Chris the speller (talk) 14:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

magdalene college

Upon showing interest to Magdalen College you are issued a rule book that contains some of the information I provided. If you become a student then yes, you are required to sign a contract agreeing to their standards Obriensg1 (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Pope Sixtus I

Actually, the Saints banner was incorporated into the Christianity banner. I would probably have incorporated the Vatican banner into Christianity as well, but some of the artworks and whatever that are in the Vatican have little if anything to do with Christianity, so I kept it separate. John Carter (talk) 17:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the explanation; I reverted because the IP never changed "Lister" to "Listers", and changing to plural is a simple enough thing to do and see that I assumed that it was vandalism. If I remember rightly, there can easily be multiple selectmen, so I didn't see that as suspicious. Of course, if a source had been provided, I wouldn't have reverted. Nyttend (talk) 22:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

new bible verse references look nice. But


The new bible verse references look nice. But, if I recall, the old ones used to appear on my screen when I scrolled over them. I have to actually select the new ones to read them. This is a drawback IMO.

— Student7 (talk) 7:37 pm, 19 November 2009

Which article? I'd like to look at it and see what you mean. Thanks. Afaprof01 (talk) 23:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all. Thanks for letting me know. Afaprof01 (talk) 06:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Indian Christianity

Hi! No. I'm a Brit; I have some sympathy with the religion; I know one Indian Catholic priest. That's the limit of my expertise. I came across the article while trawling WP:Uncategorized pages, and I though the WikiProject most concerned might want to get a look-in before I took it to AfD. Best wishes. Philip Trueman (talk) 14:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you help?

Hi, Student7! You have helped me with wikistuff before, I hope you can figure out what is going on with an article I follow. The article is Rockridge, Oakland, California. For some reason while I was editing a recent change, the "references tag needed" error flag appeared. It showed up when I previewed my changes before saving. I hadn't changed the existing tag, which was { { reflist } } (without the spaces, obviously) and neither had the previous editor, so I can't imagine why it was suddenly demanding a tag which had been there all along and was still there. I tried replacing the { { reflist } } tag with a < references / > tag, but it still wasn't happy. Changing back to { { reflist } } doesn't work either. I am baffled. Can you figure out what it wants? Thanks for any help! --MelanieN (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

Never mind! Somebody fixed it. The problem was that I hadn't properly formatted a comment I added, and that messed up the references tag. --MelanieN (talk) 21:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
I do that about once a month myself!  :) Student7 (talk) 23:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


Please assume good faith at Education in California.- Sinneed 16:18, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(This from an editor who suggested that a section be deleted. I noticed his suggestion, agreed with him (it was subtle - I might not have caught it myself). So I deleted it. He reverted it! I complained on the talk page and thus this!) Student7 (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Florida water quality

Hi, Student7. I wanted you to know why I'm about to rvt your statement, newly added to Florida Department of Environmental Protection about half of Florida's waterways being rated as poor. As far as I know, the statement is true, and you have a reasonable ref for it. I'm reverting it because the DEP article is the wrong place for it. One could stretch things, I suppose, and add a section to the DEP article on "Important findings or decisions", but, really, this sort of information belongs in the state article or some article dealing with the state's environment or waters in general (if there is such an article). Tim Ross (talk) 13:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for your edit to the template, I dont do much research on the San Diego Area so I did not get that, once again thanks! House1090 (talk) 00:45, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I would be happy to help with any thing possible let me know. I hear that they will be creating a San Diego Task Force of wikiproject california. So if they do let me know so that I can sign up. House1090 (talk) 01:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Mediation

Hello, Student7.

I've read your recent message, but I wonder whether I'm really the intended recipient.

If I am, then let me know and tell me why you think I might be of assistance.

Best wishes, SamEV (talk) 23:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sorry I won't be able to help. My interaction with that editor was as limited as it gets. Time concerns would also prevent me from participating, besides.

I do suggest you ask an administrator to warn him—in case you haven't yet—before requesting mediation. Again, good luck to you. SamEV (talk) 01:38, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

December 2009

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Jacobite Syrian Church

The history always is written by victors. History is not objective but subjective. If a Syro Malabar Catholic write Indian Syrian Church history it will have a Catholic perspective, if a Syriac Orthodox Christian write it, it will have a catholic perspective. So I am against a template of common history for all the Syrian Churches in India. No Syrian Church in India agree on a thing in history other than the arrival of St. Thomas ;-D

So what I was planning to do was to write a history myself adding references later. Sorry for not commenting in the summary. I hope you understand.

-ܠܝܓܘ Liju ലിജു לג"ו (talk) 14:10, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Also an accurate study on the history of the church in India is impossible because there are not enough evidences on the pre-colonial years. Most even destroyed or set to file during the inquisition by Aleixo de Menezes. Even colonial writing are biased. Portugese say that the Catholic church ruled over Indian Syrians, but Protestant Claudius buchanan says that they were ruled by Antiochian Patriarch. -ܠܝܓܘ Liju ലിജു לג"ו (talk) 14:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah thats a good idea to have both sides in the history, but the problem is that there more than 2 sides. The Syro Malabar church has one version, Syriac Orthodox Church has one, Indian Orthodox Church has one version, Chaldean Orthodox Church has one, So does Marthoma church

but lets try for a good common history. Hope it will happen. -ܠܝܓܘ Liju ലിജു לג"ו (talk) 07:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Its alright ;-D! -06:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Brattleboro, Vermont help

Would you please help me at Brattleboro, Vermont? A user keeps adding Brian Akey to the list of residents; I removed him because his article says nothing of it, so the user began adding Brattleboro — without any sources whatsoever — to his article. I've issued a warning to the editor, but I've hit 3RR, and I don't think this is significant enough that this falls under the BLP exemption from 3RR, so would you please intervene? Nyttend (talk) 03:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, after I left the note, I realised that you hadn't edited for some days, so I asked another New England editor, Jameslwoodward; he took care of it. Thanks for getting back to me; I had begun to wonder if you'd decided to leave Wikipedia for some reason. Nyttend (talk) 23:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles on Common History Saint Thomas Christians

I hope you remember about the discussions on common articles about Saint Thomas Christians. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian Christianity#About the articles on Saint Thomas Christians common history

I have some time to work on this and hope you can help with this. Please suggest best way to do this. All the common articles has mis quotations and need complete revision.Pamparam (talk) 07:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestions. I will go here with what you suggested. Lets put the new format in Sandbox and evaluate sentence by sentence.Pamparam (talk) 05:14, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I dont have any problems with Neduvelilmathew or some of the other old editors of all these articles. I know its difficult to arrive at consensus but the current state is very faulty. I have copies of many books referenced in these articles and can guarantee that the sources has been mis referenced not done by any one in particular but has just happened with all edits. Anyways we have waited for long for suggestions in common articles and we does can give time to evaluate this sentence by sentence. Pamparam (talk) 09:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Nazrani Evolution

Dear Student 7,

Hope you are following the discussion on File talk:Nazrani Evolution,jpg. It seems that Liju Jacob, Pamparam, and Rahuljohnson4u are quarrelling over the history of the Saint Thomas Christians. If they don’t read and study the references given, or study the official records written during that period on this subject, either they will go on quarelling or they will be able to come out with a new History for the Saint Thomas Christians, claiming that that one is the correct history. I doubt whether all articles that appear on the internet are true. .Neduvelilmathew (talk) 17:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I have complete opposite opinion. Here what are the official records of 16th and 17th century ? Who has published those information ? Anglicans came only in the middle of 19th century and they are not any sources for prior periods when there are primary sources of 16th and 17th century exist. The only way is evaluate sentence by sentence for each statements.Pamparam (talk) 05:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Could you look at new article?

Hi, Student! If you have time would you please take a look at a new article I wrote, Old Town, San Diego, California, and see if you have any improvements or suggestions? I have nominated the article for a "Did you know..." and you can look at that nomination too if you like, it's at "articles created December 20." Thanks and have a great holiday! --MelanieN (talk) 15:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

Thanks for adding the banners to the article. That's a process that is a total mystery to me.
About Did You Know, you ought to try it, it's simple - and they accept pretty much any nomination if it meets the criteria for length, citations, etc. It has to be a NEW artiicle, nominated within a week of being created or expanded x5. I don't know who does the checking and approving, presumably an administrator; there isn't usually much if any discussion. Anyone including the creator of the article can nominate. I found out about the process quite by accident when somebody nominated my article about Bejun Mehta. This one if accepted will be my third DYK!
Hope you have a very Merry Christmas! --MelanieN (talk) 17:06, 25 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

Category:St. Sebastian River, Florida

Hi Fred

I have proposed the deletion of Category:St. Sebastian River, Florida, which you created. Your input would be welcome in the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 December 25#Category:St._Sebastian_River.2C_Florida. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:00, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Handling persistent vandal

Re your message: No problem. =) Though I just noticed that I missed a bit of anonymous vandalism on one of the articles that he edited. =\ -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: San Diego County Indian reservations

All supporting data for my addition to the article can be found at the Census Bureau's American Factfinder page. One can find the area, population, county of location for each individual Indian reservation here. This will take a little time to assemble, as each reservation has to be selected individually, and there a some 315 or so Indian reservations. Once the list has been assembled (into spreadsheet form), one merely has to count the reservations which fall into your particular county of concern, in this case San Diego County, California. My use of the word "only" was in relative to the general size of California reservations (much smaller, although, just count 'em!, very numerous) when compared to those across the nation. A full listing of the sizes of all reservations will reveal that California reservations are relatively much smaller than those of most other areas, particularly those of the desert and Great Plains states. That was what the word "only" referred to. It was not my opinion of what I thought their size should be; it was only their relative size compared to those in other states. Backspace (talk) 20:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

need a wikipedia guideline

I don't even know where to find it, but there is some wikipedia guideline that says you can't use one wikipedia article as the sole reference for another. Can you help? Tkech (talk) 09:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response and pointer! WP:RELY had part of what I needed, and I found the rest under WP:NOR (both regarding tertiary sources.) Tkech (talk) 10:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


Please be aware it is spelled "Valletta". And I see no such consistency in similar articles. Quite the contrary! And even then, that doesn't justify its use in this context... surely a digression on various locations which are not exclusively "landmarks" nor essentially "cultural" (as amorphous as that is) deserves better consideration. Ελληνικά όρος ή φράση (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Northeast Kingdom Community Action

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A tag has been placed on Northeast Kingdom Community Action requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Weaponbb7 (talk) 00:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


Your recent edits to the Mississippi article, though I won't revert them, seem a bit misplaced. Comments are not meant to go into the text of an article. If you'd like to discuss anything about certain sections, phrasings, etc. in an article, use the talk page of the article to do so... especially when the comments are simply your opinions about those sections. Normally HTML comments are only used in templates or infoboxes to alert editors to special circumstances or other reasons that don't pertain to the actual text of the article. I won't undo the changes, but I suggest moving these comments over to the talk page for further discussion.

As far as the actual comments themselves, I wrote most of the religion section myself, and I assure you the text sticks to the references. A good portion of the section comes from this link about religious history in Mississippi, wherein most of the facts you claim to be fanciful are clearly laid out. Biracial churches did exist before the civil war, and there were many calls for social equality long before the civil rights movement of the 1960s/70s. I would suggest reading the article linked and the others cited in that section for a more complete version of religious history in the state instead of assuming you know more than the well-versed historians that have written these sources. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 23:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


The FAQ at the Muhammad article is on its own subpage: Talk:Muhammad/FAQ and transcluded to the main talk page in the same way that a template is used: {{Talk:Muhammad/FAQ}} You can look at that subpage to see the code they used to create collapsable sections. Regards, Resolute 14:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Ahh. I wasn't part of making that FAQ, but like most everything else, it tries to reflect consensus. You can probably draft one for your other article yourself, then seek input from other regulars on the talk page to ensure it reflects what you are trying to say before transcluding it to the talk page. Resolute 15:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


Please don't add a {{hangon}} or other deletion-related templates to Northeast Kingdom Community Action -- that article is no longer a candidate for speedy deletion. Only articles that have a pending deletion template on them should have {{hangon}} added. By doing this, you actually put the article back into the speedy deletion category and invite administrators to review it again. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 17:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed addition to Ralph Flanders

Dear Student7:

I concur with your concern about an earlier addition that violated WP:SOAPBOX. Please look over what I have proposed in Talk:Ralph_Flanders#Continued_Influence_on_Vermont_Political_Thought. I suggest that it is appropriate to report Flanders's continuing influence on the political thought of current Vermont politicians.

Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 02:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your advice, Student7. Perhaps you could survey my implementation and help me with Harvard references 82 and 84—they don't link from Notes to References under Others. Ref 83 works fine!
    Additionally, in my attempt to restore the linking of References 25, 45, and 46, a spurious "/" showed up. Perhaps you can help make that go away, yet maintain the link! User:HopsonRoad 16:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your assistance with the pipes. I have solved the Harvard reference problems—there were inconsistencies between the calling and receiving portions of the reference. User:HopsonRoad 23:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

How do I nominate an article for deletion?

I'm trying to delete an article about a non-notable school and I don't seem to be doing it right. I tried following the instructions at WP:Articles for deletion. I pasted the template { { subst:afd1 } } at the top of the page and tried "preview" to see if it had worked. But instead of just the "nominated for deletion" notice, a bunch of other instructions appeared below the notice, and that didn't look right, so I didn't save the page. Have you done this before? Is that normal?

The page I want to delete is Albert Einstein Academy Charter School, a K-8 charter school within San Diego Unified, that doesn't seem particularly notable. I understand that high schools are pretty much assumed to be notable but lower schools have to establish their notability, and this one hasn't. Any advice? Thanks for being my mentor! --MelanieN (talk) 03:23, 8 January 2010 (UTC)MelanieN

Service awards proposal

Master Editor Hello, Student7/Archive 8! I noticed you display a service award, and would like to invite you to join the discussion over a proposed revamping of the awards.

If you have any opinions on the proposal, please participate in the discussion. Thanks! — the Man in Question (in question) 18:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Content for wounded/killed politicans

If you're interested in helping with the wounded/killed US congressmen article, this may be helpful: . MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

South Florida Wikipedia editors Meetup

You are invited! I proposed a new meeting day, time and place here [5] under the section "New Suggestion" If you know of any other South Floridians who are spending their time on Wikipedia instead of at the beach like sane people would be doing, let me know. NancyHeise talk 07:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Pasadena

Thanks for reviewing my edits.

I would caution against being overzealous in applying WP:TOPIC. Certainly there are gray areas in virtually any statements so I am not saying there is always a clear right or wrong. But by trying too hard to focus on an article's topic you can a) potentially loose valuable context in explaining the material, and b) potentially imply something misleading by avoiding mentioning other things that might be involved. There is nothing seriously problematic with your edits although I would make the observation that some readers might interpret your wording to mean that ALL of the refugees who abandoned Galveston moved to Pasadena. Not a major misunderstanding if they did, though.

--Mcorazao (talk) 18:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

... I will try to be more considerate in the future. Student7 (talk) 21:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. --Mcorazao (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

regarding tibet

All reputable western governments and media outlets regard tibet as a province of China. They only want to highlight the fact that tibet is under oppression (which is unfortunately true). However, in terms of territory, all sources count tibet within China, this includes CIA Factbook. If tibet is excluded, China loses 1/4 of its current area size. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jc900 (talkcontribs) 04:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)