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Definition of inventor[edit]

It seems that there's a dispute as to whether the USPTO/patent law definition of "inventor" is the same as the Oxford definition.

According to the online glossary provided by uspto.gov, an "inventor" is someone "who contributes to the conception of an invention."

The Oxford dictionary defines an "inventor" as "a person who invented a particular process or device or who invents things as an occupation." To "invent", according to their definition, is to create or design (something that has not existed before)or be the originator of a product.

The uspto.gov definition gives a person the legal status of inventor if they contribute to a conception of a device, no matter how small the contribution (as long as they contribute to its concept). From my interpretation of the Oxford definition, the words "create", "design" and " originator" imply that that person is mostly or solely responsible for that product's coming into existence, and there's no evidence that Jobs played this role in any of his patents.

He is an "inventor", but by USPTO standards. Feel free to give me your own interpretation of the two definitions. In my opinion, there are subtle differences between the two, hence the edit. (Nbanato (talk) 08:57, 19 February 2013 (UTC))

So you're saying he was a co-inventor in some cases. Again, this was already in the text and did not need to be elaborated. --SubSeven (talk) 15:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
As long as it says that he is legally a primary inventor and/or a co-inventor by USPTO (United States Patent Trademark Office) standards clearly, I'm fine with that. Try changing the words of the sentence until we reach an agreement. (Nbanato (talk) 17:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC))
By saying he is credited with USPTO patents, are we not doing exactly that? --SubSeven (talk) 18:29, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
If you are still trying to say that USPTO doesn't know what it means to be an inventor, that is well outside the scope of an article about Steve Jobs, and, more importantly is not mentioned anywhere in the source. --SubSeven (talk) 18:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Nbanato was blocked 31 hours for edit warring on this matter; he might be slow to respond. He can still comment on his talk page, if you like. FYI. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 20:02, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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You appear a lot of times in my watchlist. Thanks for your work! LlamaAl (talk) 00:20, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Very kind, thanks! --SubSeven (talk) 06:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Breaking Bad[edit]

The official title of S05E09 is "The Decision". Don't revert my edit again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CocoaPuff310 (talkcontribs) 23:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Link removal question[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if you could specify which external link you removed, as I added several today. -Rachelgolston — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachelgolston (talkcontribs) 18:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

The Black Beetle - Reinstated Link[edit]

Hi, you deleted a link at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Beetle_(Dark_Horse_Comics)#External_links to the Dark Horse digital store. This is not spam. This is the official site to buy the digital comic. I have reinstated the link.

Hellboybookeeper (talk) 06:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Admin Request[edit]

I have seen all your work and would like to know if you would want to be put into trial for an admin. Please write back as soon as you can. buffbills (talk) 22:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Not really interested, thanks though. --SubSeven (talk) 23:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

RFC[edit]

Thank you for talking on the RFC, it was moved to RFC/U. Can you comment here? [1] Thank you, MarioNovi (talk) 09:08, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll be happy to comment once it gets going. I can't sign as a certifier, as I can't really point to any conflict I've had with him. (yet..) --SubSeven (talk) 01:10, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


Bad Blood episode dispute[edit]

I saw you got involved with the Breaking Bad episode dispute. The editor in question proceeded to use obscenities to defend his position. This editor referred to an IP as a terrorist and an editor as a little bitch last month and was warned such behavior is uncalled for and could lead to blocking. Now he is referring to another editor as a giant dick and using obscenities. I figured I should let you know. Further, it seems like his behavior escalates. I felt you deserved a heads up. 108.76.229.159 (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


For a summary you posted[edit]

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With vandalism comes redundancies, however you clearly know how to keep it funny... I hope. I found the revert summery to be quite funny on [List of House of Cards episodes.].—CKY2250 ταικ 04:04, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


Q re linking to Chessgames.com games (not Openings Explorer)[edit]

Hi SubSeven. Can I ask you a Q? Do you remember this thread? (It was about removing Infobox links to Chessgames.com's Openings Explorer.) My Q isn't about that (though I still think the free info up to where a paywall would block, has use and value; you felt WP:ELNO says don't link to sites requiring payment to see the info), but a related Q ... WP:ELNO discourages linking to sites requiring payment, what about two points down where WP:ELNO discourages linking to sites requiring Java? (There are many many links to Chessgames.com games in chess-related articles.) I guess I'd like to get your opinion on that, how you read that, and what is consistent and why or why not. Thanks for your consider. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 06:44, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

It's kind of fuzzy, since they do have a non-Java game viewer option, but, if the default behavior when hitting a CG.com game page is to attempt to load a Java applet, which I believe is the case, then I think alternatives should be considered. I think it's something that should be discussed. --SubSeven (talk) 15:26, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
I believe that's the case, too (i.e. default is Java). I was interested in why you wouldn't for example feel the situation was clearly against policy rather than fuzzy, since on the paywall issue your take was a strict application of what it says at ELNO about sites requiring payment to view content. (It discourages use in virtually the same language at ELNO re sites that require Java. [Only the word "Java" supplanted word "payment", basically.] I'm wondering why fuzzy re policy here, but not fuzzy re policy re paywall, in your thinking. What is the consistency. [I'm not familiar w/ the non-Java viewer at Chessgames.com, I'd like to go there to find it 'cause I'm curious how they work that w/o Java. OK, I think I understand you that the existence of said option was the tipping factor in your assessment of paywall versus Java in ELNO. Sorry if I didn't catch that at first.) Thanks. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 15:55, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
The fuzzy part is whether these pages require Java. Technically you can disable Java and still get all of the information. So I don't know if I would automatically strike it based on that. I'm honestly not sure how to apply the policy there. --SubSeven (talk) 16:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
OK I found this at the site:

Chessgames.com requires Java which may not be present on your computer. You can download Java for free from here. Java technology, unfortunately, tends to be unstable for some users. To solve this, we provide more than one Java viewer: if one doesn't work, try another. (You can change your Java viewer setting on the preferences page or on any game page.)

Note that it is possible to configure your browser to view PGN files from the web in a PGN viewing application; once you do this, the "download PGN" link found on the game pages should display the game using your own software.

Man! (The latter sounds like a bit of a hassle to get the value. Remember we link 1000s of games on Chessgames.com in 100s of chess-related articles.) Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 16:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
That information looks somewhat out of date. There is definitely a non-Java viewer available (pgn2web), because I use it. It is documented at this link.
That said, if the Wikipedia end user follows these links and has to fool around with viewer configuration to avoid using Java, that's not exactly ideal. So I do think it's a grey area. --SubSeven (talk) 19:19, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Plainlist template removals[edit]

Could you please explain why you removed the plainlist template from those The Following episodes? You didn't provide an edit summary. Gloss • talk 20:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

The markup was contradictory, using both the plainlist template (unbulleted list), and asterisks which would indicate a bulleted list.
If you think the plainlist is better, I don't really care, but I think it's generally accepted practice to use the bulleted list for episode guest stars. --SubSeven (talk) 21:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello,

You can help determine consensus by commenting at the RfC at Talk:Ta-Nehisi Coates#RfC:_Discipline_issues_in_high_school. Your input would be appreciated. Thank you. Useitorloseit (talk) 20:14, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


PC Gamer scans[edit]

Hi. You're listed in the WPVG reference library as having the September 2000 issue of PC Gamer US, which contains a review of Deus Ex. I'm helping User:GamerPro64 and User:czar track down sources for a collaboration on that article, and having the PC Gamer review would be big. If you have a chance, could you grab a scan of it for me? Thanks a ton. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 19:15, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


Thanks[edit]

For sorting out the move of The Bridge. I tried to do it and made a complete hash of it! I can't figure what I did wrong; I normally can move pages with ease! --Drmargi (talk) 23:14, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


Regarding [Publius Enigma][edit]

Hi SubSeven,

You undid a revision on the [Publius Enigma] page. In what capacity are you an authority on the subject ? As a poster at alt.music.pink-floyd I've personally followed the history of this since 1994, and the "mystery" has long been exposed as a hoax. Please do not undo valuable edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.78.42.30 (talk) 06:57, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Please stop interfering with the Publius Enigma Page. If you wish to demonstrate that the Enigma is not a hoax, then YOU need to provide a reference from a legitimate primary source. An anonymous message on a usenet forum is as good as this source will get or needs to be. Therefore, the Publius Enigma is a hoax given the nature of the communication. Just as many other hoaxes and illegal activities were perpetrated from anon.penet.fi addresses. If there was a puzzle associated with The Division Bell, then the band would have said so, which they didn't. They repeatedly denied any knowledge of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yanickborg (talkcontribs) 22:44, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Anything posted on Usenet is a hoax? Your logic is horrible. --SubSeven (talk) 23:02, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


Source[edit]

Hi, What kind of source would satisfy for the article? Thanks JamalShahs (talk) 18:11, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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thanks for help JamalShahs (talk) 18:12, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


A barnstar for you![edit]

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For going the extra mile to help develop Vampire: The Masquerade – Redemption.Darkwarriorblake 22:21, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


RfC: Religion in infoboxes of nations[edit]

There is an RfC that you may be interested in at Template talk:Infobox country#RfC: Religion in infoboxes of nations. Please join us and help us to determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:27, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Note[edit]

CA "retired" again, you may resume your helpful editing without issue. Thanks for not backing down to something you knew was against policy. Be aware he may create another account like he did last time, so look out for similar disruption.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 08:33, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if he's not back on another account. --SubSeven (talk) 15:17, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Sorry CA said he was really retiring. You most have a lot of composure for putting up with his edit-warring, but you gotta put your foot down with him or he will just keep damaging articles.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:44, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

The version of the article you are trying to push contains too many distinct, controversial edits and you cannot possibly expect all of these to be accepted at once. Each of these changes has to be discussed individually BEFORE they are re-added to the article. You can be blocked for edit warring. CrazyAces489 (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not trying to make changes to the article, I'm restoring a version that was stable before you came along. --SubSeven (talk) 19:28, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

It was stable from Feeb 17 to May 17 when you did a massive reversion. [2] CrazyAces489 (talk) 19:44, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

What are you talking about? That is the same dispute between us that was going on before that. I was largely away from Wikipedia for a few months, don't mistake that as me accepting your revisions. --SubSeven (talk) 19:50, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
You were editing every month since December [3] CrazyAces489 (talk) 19:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Do you know what 'largely away' means? If you need help with words, just ask. --SubSeven (talk) 20:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Please cease with the personal attacks. Look at WP:CIVIL CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:19, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


Mr Robot[edit]

I'm written to a few people who have contributed to the discussion on Mr Robot in the past in the hope of getting more opinions on my proposed edit. If you either support or oppose, or have other suggestions, please feel free to contribute here, as we appear to be at an impasse. Hzh (talk) 22:23, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


I / it[edit]

Hoped you (and the others of your clique) might have had time since then to have developed some sense of intellectual honesty. Apparently not - shame on you. Awien (talk) 23:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


Re: Homeland[edit]

Just a short note to thank you for your contributions to the Homeland articles. I enjoy reading them after watching each episode. Keep up the great work! ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:22, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind message, glad you find them to be of value! --SubSeven (talk) 17:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


Going through this again!?[edit]

Looks like CA is up to his old habits at Royce Gracie. Remember what I said months ago, don't let him boss you around. He has nearly lost all credibility as an editor and you are a serviceable veteran. By the way, kinda funny how an anonymous IP just happen to put all that info back. Complete coincidence I'm sure.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:24, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Exhausting is what it is. Imagine all the man-hours spent on cleaning up his messes, and what good could be done with it. --SubSeven (talk) 01:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I know exactly what you mean, those IPs all "strangely" only edit where CA was. I had to put up with CA's antics as well so this doesn't surprise meTheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

WARNING[edit]

STOP REVERTING. YOU WILL GET BLOCKED. 148.74.254.186 (talk) 04:14, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Homeland (season 5)[edit]

Hi SubSeven, I know you write all the summaries for the Homeland episode articles (great work, by the way!) and that you don't write condensed versions for the season articles, however, I'm wondering if you could take a look at Homeland (season 5) as a new editor is adding plot summaries. They're not horribly written, though they do have various tense and grammar errors that I've been trying to fix up, but I'm sure they could be improved or condensed, and maybe are missing key details. If you have the time, could you give them a look-over. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:01, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Sure thing, will be glad to review those when I get the chance. --SubSeven (talk) 22:19, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I just finished up my final round of cleaning up the summaries. I left a message on their page regarding the incorrect use of past tense, but they continued to use it for all the summaries after I left the message... I did the best I could, I mainly focused on the incorrect tense and the various grammar issues (maybe English is not their first language?). Anyway, I'm sure they could be tidied up a bit more. Thank you again. Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:29, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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