User talk:Surtsicna

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Any thoughts regarding this edit? To be honest, I haven't read the sources yet, but I'm really getting confused as Hussey's noble descent is unverified, yet User:Srbernadette says that "Her cousinship with Prince Harry is clearly stated in ref." So, if her ancestor's royal descent is unlikely then how could she be a distant cousin of Harry? Or are they related through another mutual ancestor? Keivan.fTalk 22:06, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Keivan.f. Yes, I've got thoughts. I think it's nonsense. Obviously the relation is not through Hussey, but perhaps even more importantly, it is silly to bring up a fiancé in the middle of the Early life section. If Markle being a 17th cousin to Harry is really relevant, it belongs to the section discussing their relationship. Something along the lines of: "Since June 2016, she has been in a relationship with Prince Harry, her 17th cousin, who is fifth in line to the British throne." Ridiculous, I know, but describing someone as a 17th cousin is inherently ridiculous. Surtsicna (talk) 22:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
I agree, her cousinship with her fiancé is not relevant to that section, and on the other hand, if it can't be proven as a fact, then it needs to be removed. Keivan.fTalk 22:22, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
To be fair, I think we should consider what he says here. If we are indeed sure that Hussey was not a noble descendant, then why should we even mention it? Keivan.fTalk 23:06, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
I have already said that I am against mentioning any ancestor just for the sake of mentioning; if the ancestor had no impact on the subject's life, and the subject derives nothing but a tiny piece of DNA from that ancestor, there is no sensible reason to name that ancestor. It's just trivia, like the subject's favorite color or childhood cartoon. For example, here we can see that Angelina Jolie is descended from Zacharie Cloutier. Do we mention Cloutier in the article about Jolie? No. And honestly, do you think that we should mention Markle's biological relationship to Harry? It's bizarre. We don't appear to be that crazy when it comes to William and Catherine, who are reportedly 12th cousins. Surtsicna (talk) 23:30, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
I am trying to make a point with my most recent edits that we do not need to mention AT ALL the false genealogy reports that were widely published - i.e. the Bowes-Lyon family cousinship or the Lord Hussey Stuff. PLEASE let's adhere to the "New England Geneaology" (Gary Boyd Roberts) PROVEN research. Please!!! Srbernadette (talk) 23:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
But why do we need to mention Markle's biological relationship to Harry? Surtsicna (talk) 00:00, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Biological ≠ genealogical. We do not 'know' the biological ancestry of anyone, given Non-paternity events. We also cannot equate them, given that the nature of meiosis dictates that genetic ancestors grow only linearly while genealogical ancestors (traditional kinship) grow exponentially. This growth gradually approaches the identical ancestors point, with the acceleration of the curve dictated by rates of exogamy and migration. What is under discussion here is genealogy alone. Genealogy existed long before the mechanisms of heredity were known. It relies on records, and records alone. It is frequently considered important only when a person becomes notable. It has been considered encyclopedic since encyclopedias were invented. Here's 1911 Britannica. Note that the first three results are a landed gentry non-aristocratic soldier, some nobles, and a poet. Satyadasa (talk) 03:31, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Regarding William and Catherine, their cousin link is in Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. Satyadasa (talk) 03:31, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Ferdinand I of Navarra[edit]

Hi! The king Ferndinand conquested all Kingdom of Navarre. Only, Charles IV of Navarre, Charles Quint left Lower Navarre in 1530.--Parair (talk) 13:00, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing[edit]

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Hello, Surtsicna.

As one of Wikipedia's most experienced editors,
Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After gaining the flag, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. Thanks. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 00:33, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Requesting page move[edit]

Hello, I would appreciate your opinion at Talk:Isabella of Aragon, Duchess of Milan David (talk) 22:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Articles for Creation Reviewing[edit]

Hello, Surtsicna.
AfC submissions
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I recently sent you an invitation to join NPP, but you also might be the right candidate for another related project, AfC, which is also extremely backlogged.
Would you please consider becoming an Articles for Creation reviewer? Articles for Creation reviewers help new users learn the ropes of creating their first articles, and identify whether topics are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Reviewing drafts doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia inclusion policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After requesting to be added to the project, reviewing is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the reviewing instructions before making your decision. Thanks. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 01:41, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Hugh III of Cyprus[edit]

Hi Surtsicna. You have sources about this article. (talk) 05:14, 7 January 2018 (UTC)