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Who is to say that only Main/contract cast members shall be listed in the show? I don't see any rule about that except from your personal opinion. And where shall we draw the line? The most reasonable thng is to list everyone who has appeared in the show as the normal procedure is in the other shows that lists deceased cast members no matter how big or small the role was DrKilleMoff (talk) 18:47, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi I appreciate your discussing this. There are plenty of guidelines and policies in place regarding this kind of trivia. The fact that other shows may list deceased cast members that were in a single episode does not mean anything, as we both know soap-related articles are plagued with trivia that does not belong. This negatively impacts article quality. Specifically in this case, both Holly Lewis and her character are not notable enough within the context of the series to be mentioned elsewhere, and her death had no relation to the series. I've resisted challenging Lewis' own article via AfD on notability grounds. I think it's silly to list deceased actors at all because eventually, every single cast member already listed will be dead. There is a huge list of deceased cast at General Hospital cast members for example (and probably not even complete), and I don't see the value of this at all. It's just this kind of thing that seems interesting to soap fans but gets targeted when an article is being assessed for Good status or similar. I'm a longtime editor with WP:SOAPS and lists like this have been argued about forever, though I suppose they're less objectionable when they are in a self-contained list like my GH example. Listing non-notable day players in the main article, dead or otherwise, is silly. I'm not the boss though, so I'm fine if you'd like to open this up for discussion at Talk:Passions and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soap Operas. Thanks! — TAnthonyTalk 19:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok. I understand your point of view. But what do you think about this solution then? To create an own article for cast members list like GH and the other shows that will be linked from the main article? In that way the main article won't be affected but we can still note the minor roles in the list. DrKilleMoff (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Well both List of Passions characters and List of Passions cast members currently exist, though the Cast list looks pretty basic. I think it would actually be an improvement to leave only contract cast and perhaps notable guest stars in the main article, then move Recurring and Deceased to the Cast members page (along with copies of Contract and Guest stars). HOWEVER, I still don't see that point of listing Lewis ANYWHERE. First I should note that I haven't seen a source besides IMDb of her character's name, and the obit just mentions the show. But assuming she did play this character for an episode or two ... she is no more notable than any other of the thousands of day players who appeared on the show as judges and waiters and detectives and doctors over its 8 years. She died, yes, but 8 years after she appeared on the show ... and her appearance isn't even noted in her own article yet, by the way. Passions is notable on her page, but she isn't notable on any Passions pages. Unless we can establish that she had some significant contribution to a story or something perhaps.— TAnthonyTalk 22:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, from what I can read of even less or non notable characters can be included in a list article for the show. By this sentence "Thus, an article should be created about a soap opera character only if the character is notable within the series and has been the subject of third-party discussions. Otherwise, the character should simply be included in a "List of characters" for that particular program." If we do as you suggested, move deceased and recurring, then non-fans can focus on the notable information of the show and those who would like to immerse themselves in the, let's say less important information can do that in a seperate article. I think that's a fair compromise and then we can include Lewis and other guest stars that's not notable in any other section of the show. DrKilleMoff (talk) 00:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Are you a friend of Holly Lewis? LOL. I don't know that I've seen a lot of one-episode appearances put on a cast list. A scary long list of just about everyone who has ever been on the show already exists at IMDb, and there's a reason we include external links rather than duplicate those exhaustive lists here in full. But obviously you really want to put her down on the Cast list so have fun. — TAnthonyTalk 00:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)