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How long will prejudice blind the visions of men, darken their understanding, and drive bright-eyed wisdom from her sacred throne? (Martin Luther King - How Long, Not Long)

Speedy deletion of "Template:ISO 639-5/table"[edit]

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Thank you.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 03:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


You seem to be doing an awful lot of template work, and I'm trying to assume good faith, but it is odd that you are so experienced with wiki procedures, but have only been around for a short time, and do not even have a userpage yet. Care to explain? --Elonka 04:58, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't regard this little work on templates to be an awful lot of template work. What I coded is very basic and straight forward. I don't know whether you can understand this, but for people with knowledge in several computer, artificial and human languages this is really nothing. TalkChat (talk) 05:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I do have knowledge of several languages, both computer and human, encrypted and plain. And what you're doing, coming out of nowhere to make complex templates, is still unusual, especially because you are doing this without any attempt at identifying yourself. Are you doing this at other websites as well? --Elonka 05:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I like to help where I can and I like to have high impact of what I do. Other websites apart from wikipedia do not so easily allow one to help and they also tend to have less impact. But yes, I also help in other places. TalkChat (talk) 05:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah, okay. Well, a bit of advice about the wiki-subculture. One of the subtleties here, has to do with the creation of userpages. When you edit without having taken the time to make a page, it makes your name show up as a redlink, which is usually (not always) a flag that there may be vandalism at work. On this large open project, there are hundreds of patrollers who are regularly doing sweeps for vandalism, spam, trolling, and everything else that accumulates. Since your name is still a redlink, this continues to set off flags. So, if you get a chance, could you please consider creating a userpage? Even if all it has is a few lines about your interests, I think it would be helpful. You can access your userpage here: User:TalkChat, or by clicking on your name in the top line of the browser. Carry on, and let me know if you have any questions, --Elonka 05:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
By "flag" do you mean some software action that is triggered, like a list that only shows red users or so? Or do you mean only human reaction? If there are prejudices against red users and they get associated with vandalism by some, would it be good to educate those? You wrote you participated in "Wikipedia:Working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars" - how about a group that looks on cultural differences of editors? I can imagine that certain subculture pushes away people that have other customs. Is there some analysis in the background of the editors and how it changed from the beginning to now? TalkChat (talk) 13:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
There are indeed prejudices against redlinked users, and those prejudices are well-founded, especially when those redlinked users act in unusual ways, and seem to be expressing resistance when they receive good faith advice. Administrators make countless blocks of redlinked users, 24/7. As for analysis, see WP:STUDIES. If you still simply refuse to make a userpage, well, that's your decision. --Elonka 21:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
From Wikipedia: "The word prejudice refers to prejudgment: making a decision before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case or event." I am happy to not judge others on the colour of the link to their user page. When James F. Blake asked Rosa Parks to stand up, she didn't. And now Barack Obama is President-elect. I am here to work for the readers of Wikipedia, I am not here to create a user page for people with prejudices. TalkChat (talk) 22:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Um, that's a ridiculous analogy.  :) I am giving you advice how to not look like a vandal or troll account. As you saw, you created a fairly useful page, and it was immediately tagged as "nonsense" and someone requested deletion. It's quite possible that the page might have been deleted, except that as the reviewing admin, I decided to take a closer look. I also decided to take some time to explain to you why some of the stuff that you were doing was setting off flags. If you want to ignore my advice, that's fine. Maybe you'll continue editing forever without a problem, maybe you'll run into more of the same. Personally, I think adding a sentence to your userpage like, "Hi, I'm TalkChat, I enjoy helping out with ISO stuff", would be a trivial way to avoid future problems. (shrug) Up to you. --Elonka 23:13, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Before James came to Rosa, other people maybe gave "advice" to her. They probably too thought it is easy for her to stand up. You say the analogy is ridiculous, I hope it made you a little bit more sensitive to how others may perceive such kind of advices. I wait for the day a James comes, alone, with a friend or with a mob. Maybe I still have no user page, maybe I have one. Rosa too stood up and didn't stay in the bus until the end at her live. In case I still have no page, and James asks me or threatens me, I maybe will just sit and wait and see what they do and how others react. Before Rosa Parks there were others, like Irene Morgan and Sarah Louise Keys. And probably much more that just stood up. By editing in a good way, whilst having no userpage I may increase awareness for the fact that redlink user are not necessarily vandalising or trolling. TalkChat (talk) 01:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Uh huh, "Redlinks unite", got it.  :) --Elonka 02:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
"Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding. We must come to see that the end we seek is a society at peace with itself, a society that can live with its conscience. And that will be a day not of the white man, not of the black man. That will be the day of man as man. (Yes)" (Martin Luther King - How Long, Not Long) - Red and blue unite! :-) TalkChat (talk) 02:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

de:ISO 639[edit]

I answered there --chrislb 问题 06:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

de:ISO 639

ISO 639-5[edit]

Please see the talk page. thanks! -- Hello World! 08:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of unrelated alpha-2 codes in ISO 639 and ISO 3166[edit]

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I have nominated List of unrelated alpha-2 codes in ISO 639 and ISO 3166, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of unrelated alpha-2 codes in ISO 639 and ISO 3166. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. roux   17:24, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

February 2009[edit]


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Category:Spelling alphabets[edit]

Information.svg Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently tried to give a page a different title by copying its content and pasting it into another page with a different name. This is known as a "cut and paste move", and it is considered undesirable because it splits the page history which is needed for attribution and various other purposes. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

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Since when and how can category pages be moved, and in that case what is the value, did you actually look at the history or did you send the above template without further analysis? TalkChat (talk) 01:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Apologies, mea culpa, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. jnestorius(talk) 04:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
You probably just wanted to do something good :-) Thanks for coming back and saying sorry. Happy editing! TalkChat (talk) 12:28, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Move NATO phonetic alphabet?[edit]

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