User talk:Targaryen/Archive 2010

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’u’[edit]

"U" asked: What kind of expansion of the synopsis of ’u’ do you want to see? The entire plot in detail?

Yes, thanks. It should describe the action in each act or scene of the opera. For an example of how to write an opera plot synopsis, see: Carmen or Ivanhoe (opera). -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not going to revert you, but I think that it diminishes the article to stress the fact that Okrand attended the premiere. He was one of the authors; of course he attended. That's like saying that Stephen Sondheim attended the premiere of "Follies". Would you reconsider your edit? What the article does need is an adequate plot summary and a list of the musical numbers. Can you add the details? -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Okrand was a consultant for the production. He didn't write any of it but he did help the writers with any questions they might have had and he hadn't even seen it performed yet and he did not even fully understood all the dialogue (as he said to me when I asked him about it, of course I'm not an E source). Since he for a large part invented the Klingon language I think it would be notable enough to mention. SpeakFree (talk) 14:26, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
BTW I lost the handout so I can't help with the plot synopsis. Maybe you can contact the authors at http://www.u-theopera.org/contact-us . SpeakFree (talk) 14:32, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Reliable sources needed![edit]

I just realized that you did not cite a WP:Reliable source about the attendance of Okrand. If you wish to reference his attendance, you need to reference a WP:Reliable source, not just the company's website. Same for van Zanten or any other information you want to add. Thanks. It would certainly be of interest to explain how the narration worked with the music. Was there also dialogue? Obviously, any of this information would need to come from WP:Reliable sources. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:21, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Do you accept non-English sources? This source from the Dutch Star Trek fanclub The Flying Dutch mentions it: http://www.tfd.nl/site/leesitem.asp?nieuwsitem=599&NieuwsID=24 Henri van Zanten's contribution is documented in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqoeRn9um3Y
BTW it is frustrating when you are working on an article and someone reverts it. Please give me some time! SpeakFree (talk) 15:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you can use non-English sources. Just note, near the end of the ref what language the source is in. Of course, you need to include all the necessary bibliographic info, like the name of the author, url, title of the article, date, publisher and accessdate. See WP:CITE. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Far right manipulating Wikipedia[edit]

http://indymedia.nl/nl/2010/11/71002.shtml

Hi SpeakFree,

Did you read this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alfred666 (talkcontribs) 16:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

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Internet Archive lunch[edit]

Did you by any chance attend the Internet Archive lunch on Friday? Edward (talk) 17:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

No, sorry! SpeakFree (talk) 16:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

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Roteb isn't a commercial corporation but a city service which is a semi-government corporation (similar to the BBC). SpeakFree (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for the cast info. I moved the production info to the production section, and the composer, etc. is mentioned in the Lead section, as normal for opera and musicals articles in Wikipedia. The detail about the volcano is great. If you can remember any other details, or if there is a plot summary in the programme, it would be great to fill out the plot summary more. All the best. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:11, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Better yet here is the scene list from the handout. Maybe you can rework it. SpeakFree (talk) 18:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
And here is the full cast and crew list. SpeakFree (talk) 18:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah! super. I beefed up the synopsis. Please take a look at it and see if I correctly interpreted the programme; please make any necessary corrections. Is the date of the programme 10 September? Have you seen any other reviews of any of the performances? It would be great to have a real newspaper or even web review. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I saw a review of the Algemeen Dagblad The Hague newspaper of the preview on the window of the Zeebelt, unfortunately there isn't an online version. It mentioned that an alderwoman (don't remember which one) of The Hague attended it who thought it was weird but applauded the Zeebelt for trying out new things. SpeakFree (talk) 18:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
10 September 9 September was the date of the try-out (ie: the public rehearsal). The official premiere was on 11 September 2010 10 September and that was the performance which was attended by Marc Orkrand. SpeakFree (talk) 22:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

No, my question is, what is the date of the program that you scanned the two pages from? -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I got it on 11 September. 10 September. There is no date mentioned on it. It consists of a single A4 printed on both sides, both of which I provided. SpeakFree (talk) 05:41, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the photo, but I don't think it's clear enough to use. The picture of him that you have in the article now is good. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

That's why I initially didn't upload it but maybe someone can clean it up so it looks better. SpeakFree (talk) 18:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
I converted it to greyscale, looks better that way. :) SpeakFree (talk) 18:55, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The one that is in the article now is still far better. I suggest that you forget about this one. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

OK unless some graphics wizard manages to restore the original colours. ^^ SpeakFree (talk) 20:06, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

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