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Objection based on "Should not be here" for OR image[edit]

The Caesar image is the exact same thing as any Wikipedia graph, chart or map made by a Wikipedian. It is OR, but acceptable for images and its inclusion only made because the section is not "cultural depictions" or "historic depictions". The image was created by a portrait artist with some expertise in this type of speculative art (and yes, the artist is me and I have painted portraits with far less to work with). If the quality is lacking then just say that and let consensus form to exclude it. If you feel further work should be made on the image or a particular change should be made, please let me know. I also intend to make renderings of the other busts--Amadscientist (talk) 07:31, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if "speculative art" is the same as maps or graphs. The information on a map can be referenced, as can the data on a graph, etc. What I do know is that you can't have your image on the Julius Caesar article. I like the idea of it, though. Put your image in cultural depictions. If you intend to keep doing this to busts then I would suggest you keep them in cultural depictions articles. If cultural depictions of an individual don't have their own article, then simply create it. Then throw your image in, but also throw in a couple random renaissance woodcut images or whatever, any cultural depictions that aren't your image. That way their isn't undue weight towards your image on the cultural depictions article.--Tataryn77 (talk) 16:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Since you were mentioned in the edit summary but I hadn't seen anything from you at Talk:Julius Caesar, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the Commons deletion of the Tusculum bust. Do you know what's up, or where another version could be obtained? Cynwolfe (talk) 23:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Roman Empire GA review[edit]

There is a community review of the GA status of Roman Empire at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Roman Empire/1, to which you may wish to contribute.--SabreBD (talk) 10:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Removals from Pages[edit]

Dear Tataryn, I greatly appreciate your concern about the removals I had made for several pages. I had actually originally added content to those pages for classwork, but we were asked to remove the additional links we had added to pages that were disruptive. In the future, I will make sure to explain the edits I am making. Thanks! ~Diana

Hi! There were just concerns that many students were putting incredibly specific and absolutely trivial details into very general articles. Therefore, we have been instructed to go about adding the information in different ways. DianaHe (talk) 19:52,13 November 2014 (UTC)

Then expand the article. If someone deems the info is too specific for the article, they can move it, make a new article, etc. Some of the info you added that I briefly read didn't seem too specific at all. Thanks for the additions!--Tataryn (talk) 02:06, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

The Fourth Century and the beginning of the Dark Ages[edit]

Having been an editor here from since nearly the beginning, I've come to notice that once one discovers a major gap somewhere (like who's the current Iraqi Minister of Defense, for example), someone usually tries to delete it or revert it or something. Like what you did to my recent revisions to the Valentinian I article, for example. I know it's a radical addition that looks remarkably like vandalism, but it's not. I first found out about it about ten years ago when I saw this cool TV special on the archeological exploration of Alexandria harbor. It was fascinating, and they explained that almost the entire northern part of the city, where there were temples and palaces galore, fell into the sea due to an earthquake and tsunami. In 2010, I took a tour of Libya and looked at a whole bunch of archeological sites (plus the museum in Tripoli, which then housed Qaddafi's then-holy Volkswagen bug, but that's another story). At each place I went to along the coast, the guide would tell us about how the city was destroyed by the tsunami of 365 AD, and how there was a weak recovery but all of the cities but one never recovered (Tripoli, then Oaa, is still there, Bengazi is relatively new). Then the Vandals came and the Byzantines came and finally the Arabs came.

While there's a lot of stuff that survived from the period of 100 BC to 100 AD, not much survived from after. The stuff that DID survive is almost entirely from the Capitol region of Rome itself. Politics of the top. There's very little from the provinces, almost nothing in fact. This is because most of the paper products swept away during the tsunami of 365 AD (plus book burnings by Christians and Muslims from 332 to 800). The records of the entire Ptolomaic bureaucracy are gone. There is ONE autographed order from the great Cleopatra (d.30 BC) that is known to still exist.

Also, natural disasters tend to be overlooked by ancient historians, who didn't understand them and weren't particularly interested. Look at the reign of Justinian, there was a large tsunami, a volcanic winter/famine, and the second worst plague in history. The histories of the time didn't actually dwell upon any of this. Why? I dunno. They might have, but 97% of the literary output of the ancient world is gone forever. North Africa became a backwater. The monuments and buildings which still exist were buried in the sand and when they were dug out of the ground in the last century and a half, it was astounding. Ericl (talk) 17:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Ammianus Marcellinus mentions only destruction in Egypt. The other source you cited looks like an undergrad paper, but nevertheless it argues for multiple seismic events rather than one single event around Crete. "Untold millions" were not killed. Ammianus says thousands. Keep your additions in-line with your sources.--Tataryn (talk) 01:46, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
So why did you not make the changes you suggested yourself instead of starting an edit war? Why do you think that the event of 365 AD was of no consequence to Valentinian and Valens?Ericl (talk) 14:10, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
A National Geographic slideshow does not count as a scholarly source. Also, there is only evidence to support damage done to Egypt, not the whole north African coast. Stop conflating what could perhaps be more than one seismic event with the Crete earthquake. Furthermore, your title "Destruction of North Africa" is misleading. That does not mean you should write "The Destruction of Egypt" instead. Same goes for "untold" - I had said don't say "untold millions" were killed, so you now write "untold thousands". Odds the authorities in Egypt would have had decent estimates of the death toll, so adding "untold" is pointless. Think before you write.--Tataryn (talk) 17:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Silphium revert[edit]

Hello! It was I who removed the "wild carrot" phrase because it's an odd claim to make, and nothing in the "wild carrot"/Queen-Annes-Lace entry indicated any such medical use. Surely there should be supporting information in the main page before allusions are made elsewhere? I suggest that if there's solid (referenceable, confirmable) information that wild carrot IS an abortifacient, that we put it into the plant's entry or leave it out of this one.

Perhaps you could reconsider your revert? Or update the main page with the data you found supporting the claim?

Riventree (talk) 16:06, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

No reason to reconsider my revert. It's a well-known abortifacient, so I added a reference. There's tons of books mentioning it as one. Cheers.--Tataryn (talk) 16:29, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Awesome! At least it's supported now. I dug up the specifics on that book and put them into the citation template. I hope that's ok. Riventree (talk) 02:30, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

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Basil I[edit]

Would you be interested in giving your opinion concerning sources on the Basil I talk page? --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:53, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of Niagara Public School for deletion[edit]

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Graduating class from when?
Hi, I posted a "Keep" !vote in the ongoing 2nd AFD. Hey, your providing the "NiagaraPublicGrad.gif" photograph was a nice improvement, and I like it because it shows the front entranceway, appearing the same as in 2012 and 2014 photo and Google Street View. Can you possibly please add info about that to the photograph, e.g. what year was the graduation in? (It would be natural to state the "graduating class of 19xx" in the caption in the article.) And it woudl be great if you could add other photo showing inside or outside of building, or other kinds of activity there, too. --doncram 20:53, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
I can certainly ask the owners to take a look at the photos - perhaps it says the class dates on the back. I'll be in Niagara-on-the-Lake this weekend and I would gladly head over to the Historical society building. I'm not familiar with the building or what precisely it's called, though. I believe it's in the "downtown" area so it should be easy to get there. If you know any additional information on the building and whether it has archives, etc. just give me a heads up and I can walk right in there and see what they have! Maybe they have more info on those graduation photos too!--Tataryn (talk) 23:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Great if you can. Oh, you mean to visit the Niagara Historical Society and Museum, open 10-5 daily, at 43 Castlereagh Street, just a block to the southwest! Anything about the school would be good for purposes of the AFD and its article. It would be most especially wonderful if you could somehow obtain a copy of (or find out whom to be in touch about) the documentation for the "Niagara-on-the-Lake National Historic Site of Canada", which if it is like it works in the U.S. will be a "nomination" or a "historic resources inventory" or some such big long document about the historic district, perhaps dated in 2003 before the March 5, 2004 formal recognition date as a site, or perhaps in 2009 before its registration on the Canadian Register . Preferably in e-format but I'd be thrilled with a hard copy. This should describe the buildings in the district and justify the boundaries, etc. Per the webpage about it (, this may be the supporting information supposedly available at the National Historic Sites Directorate, Documentation Centre, 5th Floor, Room 89, 25 Eddy Street, Gatineau, Quebec (but I tried contacting there, not too hard, without success previously, and I don't know if they provide copies of documents to the public and mail them to the U.S....). --doncram 04:09, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Roman Empire[edit]

Hi Tataryn, would you be interested in creating a map for Roman Empire? If so, there's a conversation at Talk:Roman Empire#Today part of (there's also one at your Commons page - sorry, I didn't realise I was at Commons, so the links there won't work). Best Haploidavey (talk) 16:11, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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Sasanian Empire map[edit]

Hi Tataryn. I know you made that splendid Byzantine Empire map. Hence, I was wondering whether you'd be up for the challenge of making a Sasanian Empire map as well. Right now, there are numerous Sasanian Empire maps on Wikimedia/Wikipedia, but none of them are really correct. They all have some pretty major flaws. Me and User:HistoryofIran are of course willing to supply and help you with the sources needed in order to make a really proper map. All the best and looking forward to your response, - LouisAragon (talk) 17:34, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Of course. I'm not very familiar with sources concerning the Sassanid frontiers, though. I can worry about sources concerning their gains against the Byzantines during the big war against Phocas/Heraclius. I have several books on the subject. The other frontiers I'll need your guys' help, big time. I'd recommend focussing on one frontier at a time. Maybe the Caucasus first (modern Georgia to Azerbaijan).--Tataryn (talk) 20:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Aight, splendid.
Sure, starting with the Caucasus sounds like a proper idea. - LouisAragon (talk) 01:15, 23 August 2017 (UTC)