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More talk pages need moving[edit]

Hey, all of these talk pages need to be deleted and moved back from an archive page as well. Would you mind taking care of it?

  • I'll get to it shortly. Keegan (talk) 06:31, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for taking care of the Christina Aguilera page. Gloss 06:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I understand moving the page back to its original place, but—generally speaking—why bring archived threads back to talk page? Could archive subpages not be left?? Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:17, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I just moved the history back. Talk:Christina Aguilera/Archive 11 has all the relevant text, so I just blanked the talk page for you. Happy editing to you. Keegan (talk) 06:29, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Happy editing to you, too :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:32, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons update[edit]


After a delay in updates to the Structured data on Commons project, I wanted to catch you up with what has been going on over the past three months. In short: The project is on hold, but that doesn't mean nothing is happening.

The meeting in Berlin in October provided the engineering teams with a lot to start on. Unfortunately the Structured Data on Commons project was put on hold not too long after this meeting. Development of the actual Structured data system for Commons will not begin until more resources can be allocated to it.

The Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Germany have been working to improve the Wikidata query process on the back-end. This is designed to be a production-grade replacement of WikidataQuery integrated with search. The full project is described at will benefit the structured data project greatly since developing a high-level search for Commons is a desired goal of this project.

The Wikidata development team is working on the arbitrary access feature. Currently it's only possible to access items that are connected to the current page. So for example on Vincent van Gogh you can access the statements on Q5582, but you can't access these statements on Category:Vincent van Gogh or Creator:Vincent van Gogh. With arbitrary access enabled on Commons we no longer have this limitation. This opens up the possibility to use Wikidata data on Creator, Institution, Authority control and other templates instead of duplicating the data (what we do now). This will greatly enhance the usefulness of Wikidata for Commons.

To use the full potential of arbitrary access the Commons community needs to reimplement several templates in LUA. In LUA it's possible to use the local fields and fallback to Wikidata if it's not locally available. Help with this conversion is greatly appreciated. The different tasks are tracked in phabricator, see .

Volunteers are continuing to add data about artworks to Wikidata. Sometimes an institution website is used and sometimes data is being transfered from Commons to Wikidata. Wikidata now has almost 35.000 items about paintings. This is done as part of the WikiProject sum of all paintings. This helps us to learn how to d:Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structuremodel and refine metadata about artworks. Experience that will of course be very useful for Commons too.

Additionally, the metadata cleanup drive continues to produce results. The drive, which is intended to identify files missing {{information}} or the like structured data fields and to add such fields when absent, has reduced the number of files missing information by almost 100,000 on Commons. You can help by looking for files with similarly-formatted description pages, and listing them at Commons:Bots/Work requests so that a bot can add the {{information}} template on them.

At the Amsterdam Hackathon in November 2014, a couple of different models were developed about how artwork can be viewed on the web using structured data from Wikidata. You can browse two examples here and here. These examples can give you an idea of the kind of data that file pages have the potential to display on-wiki in the future.

The Structured Data project is a long-term one, and the volunteers and staff will continue working together to provide the structure and support in the back-end toward front-end development. There are still many things to do to help advance the project, and I hope to have more news for you in the near future. Contact me any time with questions, comments, concerns.

-- User:Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Deleted Article on Peter Bickford[edit]

Hi Keegan,

New here, and want to be sure I'm doing things right. Posted an article today earlier on Peter Bickford (co-author on numerous comic book price guides Comics Buyer's Guide Checklist and Price Guide, Standard Catalog of Comic Books, as well as ComicBase -- also a writer for Apple Computer on Human Interface topics). Did not have a chance to add in one of his book credits (Human Interface, AP Press, 1997), but article was quickly struck as not notable. This seems strange to me--what am I missing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasoncross17 (talkcontribs)

@Jasoncross17: I see that Jbhunley has already discussed concerns about the article. If you would like, I can place the article in your userspace for you to work on. Keegan (talk) 03:53, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, thanks. Since this is one of my first articles, is there a way to get feedback prior to reposting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasoncross17 (talkcontribs) 09:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
@Jasoncross17: I have place the article here: User:Jasoncross17/Peter Bickford. A good place to go for help when new to Wikipedia is The Teahouse. Thanks, happy editing to you. Keegan (talk) 22:31, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

WP:3RR Violation[edit]

Carrying the issue to discussion is like sending a petition to a Martian court asking the Martians not to invade earth (when all the Martians have already made up their mind that they are going to invade earth, no matter what). No one is going to change their minds about not placing that epistemic trash there. I don't care if I get blocked. Uthman Ibn Sabeel (talk) 05:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Allama Busiri[edit]

I am separating the author's biography from the content about the poem, by moving the biography to Busiri; what's the problem, there? -- Uthman Ibn Sabeel (talk) 15:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

@Uthman Ibn Sabeel: the problem that you are trying to solve is a good one, the biography does belong expanded elsewhere. Unfortunately, you a using cut and paste to do so, which breaks attribution in the manner that you are doing it. Have a look over that page and see if you kind find a way to move the content while still maintaining the history of who wrote it. Keegan (talk) 21:43, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

The Truth About Guns Deletion[edit]

I was wondering why you deleted that article, it went through AFC and looked almost exactly the same as it was up until when you deleted it and a previous CSD was rejected. Could you maybe explain this, cause I really don't think it should have been deleted. - SantiLak (talk) 06:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

@SantiLak: I deleted the article for the stated reason: in the form that it was, it was a blatant POV promotion for a blog. There was no balance or subjectivity, just advocation for the concept. Deletion does not mean the subject cannot be recreated, it just means that that form was not acceptable. Keegan (talk) 06:33, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
There may have been issues but it wasn't blatant POV and promotion, it could easily be resolved with a tag and some cleanup. The article's form may have not been totally balanced but again that hardly warrants deletion. I'm pretty sure a move to deletion was jumping the gun. - SantiLak (talk) 06:36, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
@SantiLak: So to speak? :D Would you like me to put it in your userspace? Keegan (talk) 06:39, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Sure, but again I still think it was very much jumping the gun to delete the article, any issues could have easily been resolved with cooperative editing. - SantiLak (talk) 06:43, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
@SantiLak: I'm not a stickler, I undeleted the article. Please make it referenced for notability from a NPOV as soon as possible. Happy editing to you. Keegan (talk) 06:46, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Ok I'll be sure to clean up POV language and other stuff, I appreciate the help. - SantiLak (talk) 06:48, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Sure thing, sorry to be an inconvenience in the first place :) Keegan (talk) 06:53, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Help with new user[edit]

Hi Keegan. I see you in the Deletion log, so I turn to you regarding Alishan Meerza's contributions. I could tag the different pages for speedy, but I wonder if there's a more gentle way to cope with the situation and help him understand the limitations of WP:UP. Would you step in and help out? Thanks, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 06:47, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: I can mass delete all of the user's contributions and save everyone time. You can leave a nice message pointing to WP:ABOUT? That's probably about the nicest we can do. Keegan (talk) 06:51, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, will do as soon as the user talk is no longer a redirect. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 06:55, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
@Sam Sailor: user talk redirect deleted, I'll work on the rest. Thanks! Keegan (talk) 06:59, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

SUL finalization[edit]

Hi, I'm writing up the SUL finalization in this week's N&N in the Signpost but it's outside of my technical expertise. You seem active in the Phab thread, would you mind stopping by and checking/adding to the current draft? Thanks, ResMar 17:09, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

@Resident Mario: looks okay to me :) Keegan (WMF) (talk) 04:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Is that an official statement as a rep of the Foundation? ;) ResMar 04:21, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
It's the official statement of the person responsible for completing SUL finalization :) Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Ed says that it'd be good to include more detail of why the process was delayed in 2014, but I know nothing of it, so where should I be looking? ResMar 04:22, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
SUL finalization, as you know, was to happen in May 2013, James Forrester was the project manager. There were some setbacks which delayed to project until August 2013. Unfortunately, that VisualEditor thing happened in July 2013 and James no longer had the time to manage the finalization process. Dan Garry (Deskana) was hired on as a new project manager at the WMF and this was assigned to him as part of his work, but first he had to move to San Francisco and get up to speed on the job. This is December 2013/January 2014. Dan got moved over to mobile but still had this project, things got shuffled around, and there weren't the engineering resources in place until this past summer 2014. I was assigned to help in my capacity as community liaison, but I was assigned the duty of project owner at the end of October 2014. I can't emphasize enough how much engineering resource this has taken to complete.
Fun trivia that I found: the first on-wiki mention of SUL isn't actually the page you mention. The first proposal was also written by Eloquence but it was in May 2004, when drafting the proposal for Wikimedia Commons.
Let me know if you have any more questions. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Excellent, thank you! ResMar 16:49, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

@Resident Mario: link correction for Wikimedia Commons/SUL proposal. Keegan (talk) 20:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

About the global message signed by you[edit]

Hi, Keegan. I sent you a reply here. As I told you there (and feel free to delete this message if it's not the right place to leave it), there must be a mistake, otherwise I do not understand why my global username Góngora should be renamed to Gustavo86, a username which I have not used for more than 6-7 years. As an admin, bureaucrat, WMF press room contact and checkuser on other wiki projects, I have always used my current username Góngora. I have even attended different Wikimedia conferences worldwide (including five Wikimanias) with my current username. Therefore, I do not want my old username back and I do not want a new username assigned. I just want to keep mine. Let me know what should I do in order not to lose my username. Thanks for your time and patience. Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 01:37, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

@Góngora: It looks like you are now all set and no accounts will be renamed[1] Keegan (talk) 06:55, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons[edit]

Do you have an account there? I would like to reply to your message there. Please let me know what it is. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:22, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

On a whim, I tried commons:User:Keegan. Lo and behold. (Hopefully the man in charge of SUL would have a unified account!) Killiondude (talk) 02:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Clever, clever man. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. For some reason, when I googled it, I did not find it.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:45, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
@Killiondude: well, I'm SUL'd for all but seven accounts. I've made amends with the other active Keegan before I was involved with this. The German Wikipedia keeps importing my edits :/ Keegan (talk) 06:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Did you see my message there?Zigzig20s (talk) 07:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
@Zigzig20s: I've been trying to clear my email, which is three times as popular as my meta talk page. Without looking (which I will do tomorrow), it's likely you just need to visit Special:MergeAccount. Keegan (talk) 07:31, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Good old renaming project[edit]

Hi Keegan,

So, I got a message from you about renaming my account and all the related Wikimedia accounts. Which is awesome. However, I hold now an account mainly active in the Hungarian Wikipedia under my name: Janosfejervari. I used to have a separate account in English Wikipedia under name Jojojoe; and also an account in the Commons with user name Jojojoe.

Is there any chance I can connect these accounts together under my new shiny Janosfejervari account? I'm not quite sure if that was clear enough, please ping me if you need more explanation.

I would really appreciate your help.

Cheers Janosfejervari (talk) 16:14, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

@Janosfejarvari: Glad you're looking forward to all this finalizing. Very shortly after all accounts are migrated to global, stewards will have a tool available to merge accounts. You can file a request on Meta when it becomes available. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 14:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Keegan, awesome and thanks for the info. I have this feeling that I might have missed this piece of info somewhere. Anyway, thanks a lot for your help.Janosfejervari (talk) 13:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Same name (usurped? differently!) on multiple projects[edit]

I am "Raven" on en.wikipedia, en.wiktionary, en.wikisource, en.wikiquote, en.wikibooks, en.wikinews, en.wikiversity, — my intent having only been to hold the English-language monopoly on the name by which I have been known offline (in artwork, writing, performances) for 40 years, and online for 30. I was given to understand this would be sufficient, and I need not proceed to register other languages as well, unnecessarily blocking their speakers from what would be likely non-conflicting uses. Now, instead, I am finding *my* Usernames on the various projects usurped — and changed to *different* Usernames by suffix — due apparently to this forbearance. I wish to object, and to keep my Usernames on these projects. If this accommodation is not possible, then (although I had, graciously I thought, not tried to seize all non-en-projects' "Raven" Usernames) I will have to contest the Global Username claim rather than lose my own. If this is not a hard-and-fast system requirement, and users' choices can play a part, would you discuss with the other Username user what his/her preferences are? It may be we can each keep to our own.... --Raven. Raven (talk) 03:56, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

@Raven: First off, I'm quite sorry for this trouble and that you were unaware of the problem that conflicting usernames present. The first proposal to unify accounts under one name was first proposed over ten years ago, and the engineering work has been occurring off and on for the past eight years to make this a reality. Unfortunately during all of that time, accounts were still allowed to clash, like your Raven account.
You and the other Raven cannot both keep your username, all accounts going forward are going to be global in nature and can be used on all 900+ Wikimedia projects. The other Raven, from the German Wikipedia, registered their account in 2003, registered it as a global account in 2008, and has significantly more edits to the wikis than your account does. It is the global account holder on Wikimedia projects, and your account(s) need to be renamed. You do get the liberty of choosing a different name other than the one mentioned in your message, you can even choose a name similar to the one you have now, it just cannot be "Raven." There's a very simple form, takes 30 seconds to fill out, that you can fill out to request a new name at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, and the request should be fulfilled in a timely manner. This account will be global in nature and is yours on Wikimedia wikis until the heat death of the sun. Once complete, you can then file a request at meta-wiki (where you will now be able to log in, something you've never been able to do before because the other Raven owns that account) for a steward to rename your other accounts and you can tie them all up in a nice bundle after that. The request page is m:SRUC.
Again, my utmost apologies for the inconvenience. I completely understand how you feel about your identity, and protecting it. This should have been done a decade ago. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 05:36, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I have requested .Raven. — but there was no option on that page (nor hint of where else to write) to tell the stewards that I had the same name on those other projects, so they'd be included in the name change. Would you please relay this section to the appropriate address? Thx. --.Raven. Raven (talk) 07:28, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I will take care of that for you. Thank you for your patience and understanding. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 07:32, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
@.Raven: your accounts are all now .Raven. Simply log in as .Raven here using your password and visit Special:MergeAccount to tie in all your new new account names. Thank you so much for your understanding :) Keegan (WMF) (talk) 07:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Keegan! After a momentary bobble (I kept trying to put that period after the username), I'm tied together. One last request: All my signatures (~~~~) are still "Raven", which will confuse matters when the other user comes over! Could some kindly old robot run through my projects and convert them to ".Raven", please? Thanks again! -- .Raven (talk) 06:13, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @.Raven: I'm very happy it all worked out :) As for old signatures, I would love for such a bot. Unfortunately, the idea is routinely rejected. It is my hope that post SUL-finalization people will realize this issue is really important and such a tool will be created. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:53, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

@Keegan (WMF): After searching for a while, I found a similar case where a bot had been approved to redirect the old (usurped) name references to the new name in order to avoid confusion with the new (usurping) user. Since this would not only spare my re-editing many pages I could edit to replace my old sigs, but also many now-archived pages I'm either not-supposed-to or not-allowed-to edit, I think it would be the better practice all around. Could we please put this into use, for not only me but also for all the other users in like circumstances, thus sparing a great deal of manual editing that might violate archive policy? Thanks. – Raven .talk 02:48, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Your second RFA[edit]

is now at User:Keegan/Rfa2. I can't imagine there is any point mentioning how childish all this april 1 nonsense is. Thank god I was busy at work and not tempted to look first thing. Spartaz Humbug! 17:49, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Spartaz: While I disagree that satirical humor is childish, I do understand and appreciate that a majority of the April 1 stuff is nonsense, and I thank you for your decision and patience. Keegan (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

SUL finalization go go go![edit]

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