User talk:TenPoundHammer

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List of County-Designated Highways in Michigan[edit]

I overhauled List of County-Designated Highways in Michigan so that it uses a single table per the formatting from WP:USRD/STDS/L. In the process, I removed some entries from the page because they've never appeared on the official state maps. I went through all of the maps from 1970 through 2015 to make sure that I got all of the years figured out appropriately. As I noted on the list's talk page though, 6 numbers never appeared on the official state maps, and I think you had been the one who added 4 of those. I have plans at some point to look at some old Alger County plat atlases at the research library in the Marquette Regional History Center, so I may be able to restore H-09 and H-60 to the table.

If you know of a set of old maps that show them, we can add rows in the table for those other designates and create the missing redirects for them. However, it appears you added them based on a single map. It would be nice if we had a range of years to establish an approximate time frame for when they appeared and when they disappeared. Given the history of these designations, even Bessert's site is quite lacking in information about each designation. If you have enough old maps to allow us to pinpoint the first and last years for F-07, F-09, F-17 and F-24, and if you could get me copies so I could trace their routes on MDOT"s PRFA site to compute their lengths, that would be great. Imzadi 1979  01:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about all the routes in Ogemaw County such as F-7, F-12, F-22, etc., most of which were never on the MDOT maps? Most of those came from a 1978 road map that I don't know the current location of, but they're all still marked on Google Maps (albeit minus the "F"s). I went down F-22 (Rose City Road) earlier this year, and do know that at least it is still signed in the field. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 01:42, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but are there any other maps to flesh out the range of years? At least with the official maps, we have access to a full set from 1970 through 2015 and can note when the various designations appeared and disappeared. Unfortunately, we can't rely personal observations, so we need maps showing these. Imzadi 1979  01:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
@Imzadi1979: Unfortunately I don't have any other Ogemaw County maps from the appropriate era on hand, nor can I find the 1978 map I used as a source in 2009. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 01:54, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
@Imzadi1979: I found something that's a start. [This] is a scan from the "Michigan County Atlas" by Universal Map, which uses a map from their 1988 map "Northern Highlands". This verifies all of the mysterious "F" routes in Ogemaw county, although there seem to be two different number systems going on. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 05:53, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


TPH, why do you want to delete your extremely helpful essay "Wikipedia:Alternatives to the "Expand" template:" ? I'm holding off a bit on doing the deletion. DGG ( talk ) 03:13, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:EngFram/sandbox[edit]

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:EngFram/sandbox. Why? From WP:MFD, "Note that we do not delete user subpages merely to "clean up" userspace. Please only nominate pages that are problematic under our guidelines." Even if the page was for some obscure reason "problematic", you could have simply blanked it instead. Starting an MfD discussion for such pages is a total waste of time and effort. It's not as if I had hundreds of subpages with that username, or if anything polemic or copy-violating was buried there. Perhaps only start deletion discussions for pages that really need to be deleted... Fram (talk) 11:45, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, are you (and by extension @Keegan: in this case) completely incompetent or what? I come here to ask about an MfD you did, and your response is to tag the corresponding user sandbox talk page with speedy G2, even though Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G2 clearly states "This criterion does not apply to pages in the user namespace". The full contents of the page were "Test talk", so nothing remotely harmful or problematic there. Restore both pages (sandbox and talk page) at once and stay away from useless deletions in the future. There is more than enough that needs to be done on WIkipedia (both the encyclopedia and the backoffice) that you don't need to waste time on useless and policy-ignoring deletions which are of benefit to absoluetly no one and nothing. Fram (talk) 06:28, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Fram, I hope you're doing well. Enjoyed your Signpost op-ed.
Anyway, it's not very nice to insinuate that I'm incompetent as an admin for deleting a page whose sole edit is "test talk" after the main page was deleted per discussion. Whatever, though. Good to see you back. Keegan (talk) 07:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
G2 does not apply to pages in user space, so no matter what happened to the main page (which I tried to discuss with TPH above, with the only response being the deletion of the talk page), it should not have been speedy deleted, but instead TPH should have been given the info that he should not use speedy deletion criteria incorrectly. If you had done that, you would have probably noticed the above post by me and seen what caused this unusual action by TPH. Getting pages deleted with clearly incorrect rationales only to rile up another editor is very bad manners, and that you inadvertently helped him doing this is not so good. But yeah, yours is a mistake, and I shouldn't have treated it the same way, his action is rather hard to defend though. Anyway, can you please restore both pages? Or do I have to open a DRV for something as stupid as this? Fram (talk) 07:14, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
@Fram: If you're back active and this is breaking your workflow, I can undelete User:EngFram/sandbox without DRV. I don't see why the need to undelete a talk page, but why not as well. Could you just please be a little less gruff about things that at least I'm pinged in in the future, not that we run across each other so much :) We're to be colleagues, after all. Work for you? Keegan (talk) 07:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
You're right, I was (am) pissed off about TPH's actions, but shouldn't have lumped you in with them for making a minor mistake. The undeletion of the two pages is more out of principle: don't mess with user pages (subpages, talk pages...) unless they are harmful in some way; deletion is a last resort. If the sandbox was in some way a problem, blanking it would have solved that just as well. And TenPoundHammer, if you are asked about why you did some action, don't make it worse by not replying (leaving a template that treats me as a newbie is not replying) but by taking further incorrect action instead. It doesn't reflect well on you. Fram (talk) 07:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I've restored User:EngFram/sandbox but not the talk page because that's just as silly as deleting it. Let's let bygones be bygones with TPH and move on. Keegan (talk) 07:29, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Note that "not editing for a few months" should never be a reason to delete a sandbox in the first place, but it's a bit too late for that now. Fram (talk) 08:50, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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Chris Janson[edit]

There must be something wrong with the Billboard website. I tried using the search on Billboard biz but no combination of his name or song titles yields any results. Eric444 (talk) 17:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

I used issues of the Country Update to source the Country Airplay peaks. Eric444 (talk) 18:12, 26 September 2015 (UTC)