User talk:TerryAlex

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krystal jung's occupation, instruments[edit]

I was trying to add an information about her occupation and her instrument. as you knew, she isn't just an actress and singer. She also a dancer and model. She appears on SBS's figure-skating show Kiss & Cry Kim Yuna as an ice dancer. and can you see? She also appears (often) on magazine as a model. That's why i'm trying to write 'dancer' and 'singer' on her wikipedia. and i wanna tell you that actually she can plays a piano. She's playing it when she duet with her sister singing 'someday'.

and i want to add some information again about her instagram. as you knew that now she has an account in instagram ( her account: vousmevoyez).

So please do not change it anymore.

Please do not change it again Soojungfan (talk) 01:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Dear Soojungfan,
1. Celebrities ought to appear in many magazine photoshoots and/or endorsements. This is a part of their job. That does not make them become a model.
2. Krystal is not an (ice) dancer. She was only a contestant for that show and ended up winning it. She is not working as an (ice) dancer now.
3. Krystal does not play piano professionally in f(x). Playing the instrument once or twice on a variety show/music show does not count.
4. Her real occupation is being a member of the girl group f(x) and an actress.
Hope this addresses your concern on why I reverted your edits. Thank you very much.--TerryAlex (talk) 01:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Girls' Generation all-kill and reality show[edit]

Hi, I noticed that we had some confusion about information I posted to the SNSD page. The all-kill occurred with #1 on Melon, Mnet, Bugs, Olleh Music, Genie, Naver, Soribada, and Monkey3, so this is an actual all-kill, not #1 on a single chart like you described. I'm going to add that back since it is factual, but I wanted to communicate with you first so it didn't seem like I was starting an edit war. Also, I don't understand why you removed information about the upcoming reality show. Is there a standard I don't know about for adding that kind of information to the History section? Katzenlibrary (talk) 22:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Dear Katzenlibrary,
1. The Melon, Genie, etc are all single-vendor charts and should not be documented on Wikipedia. Please refer to WP:Charts and there was a discussion here regarding this topic Discussion.
2. The Variety show has not been aired yet (please refer to WP:Crystal ball), and unless there is something worth talking about (maybe the members might talk about something that would be worth a mention in the main Girls' Generation article). Otherwise, I think it will only need to be added into the Filmography article.
3. Bottom line, please wait until the Gaon chart comes out. Thanks. :) --TerryAlex (talk) 23:41, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
I agree about the reality show. That's probably a better place for it, and I've already added it to the Videography page. I'm still a bit hung up on this all-kill question, though. Although they are single-vendor charts, the achievement of topping all of them is extremely relevant to the Kpop world, since it is a testament to the success of the release and artist. Reliable news sites often dedicate an entire article to a group's all-kill(s) – it's an impressive feat worth noting. I checked out the source you sent and it does prohibit single-vendor charts, but only as a reference for discography tables or individually in prose. However, noting an all-kill isn't the same as saying "reached #1 on Melon." I'll certainly wait for Gaon for the discography table, since that's the accepted chart, but I feel that the all-kill is worth inclusion in the prose. Katzenlibrary (talk) 23:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) WP:CHART lists charts that are recommended for inclusion in both article prose and discography tables. Instiz iChart / all-kills is not on the list. Feel free to start a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Record charts if you think it should be on the list, or want more opinions. Random86 (talk) 00:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
This is a good point! So, what about the article? If the article talks about a group being #1 on all charts, is it still inadmissible? Katzenlibrary (talk) 02:52, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes. I'm assuming you are talking about news articles? News articles mention iTunes charts all the time, but those aren't acceptable on Wikipedia either. If you meant Wikipedia articles, the answer is still yes because they are single-vendor charts. Random86 (talk) 03:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, news articles. Interesting input. Thanks, I'll be thinking about that! Katzenlibrary (talk) 13:36, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Just a thought: (Correct me if I'm wrong) Melon, Genie, etc are all the Korean-equivalent of the US iTunes. One minute, a song can shoot up to the rooftop, while the next minute, it might sink down to the bottom. Thus, it is considered as unreliable. Achieving an “all-kill”, to me, is not so much about achievement, but rather about the perfect timing. A song not achieving all-kill does not make it a bad song. I know as Kpop fans, we take a lot of pride in that kind of stuff, it's a fandom thing, and it certainly counts a lot towards those music show points (so do go vote and stream for your favorite Kpop artists). But looking at a larger context, it seems like only fans care about them (all kill and the total number music shows wins) while the general public does not seem to care so much. Gaon chart, and the like, take into account various things and is considered more suitable to be mentioned on Wikipedia.--TerryAlex (talk) 17:32, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

TerryAlex, I totally agree with what you're saying. To clarify: I'm not suggesting including all-kill information because it satisfies me as a k-pop fan. I was just under the impression that it was a bigger deal than it actually is, so it seemed suitable for inclusion. I'm all for weighing what information is suitable and what information isn't (even though as a fan I might want to include it). I think discussions like this help identify which info is relevant according to the industry and social climate, so thanks. :) Katzenlibrary (talk) 19:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Apink#Articles recreated by SkateABaround for Park Cho-rong, Yoon Bo-mi & Son Na-eun[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Apink#Articles recreated by SkateABaround for Park Cho-rong, Yoon Bo-mi & Son Na-eun. Thanks. Edward (talk) 07:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Kpop Members Info[edit]

Hey, I got a question about the inclusion of birthdays for members on Kpop group articles. I remember we had an unofficial format going after a discussion, but I'm having trouble locating where the discussion is. Do you happen to remember? Thanks Asdklf; (talk) 02:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

What format are you referring to?--TerryAlex (talk) 04:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Girls' Generation and Promotional singles[edit]

Hello TerryAlex! AllKpop is unacceptable, I accept you. If I change to local news agency about Mwave (Mnet (TV channel)), You will be accept or not. For Japanese Promotional singles, I argument. I search from offical website, that is real offical news from Japan label and from Recochoku that is seem itunes distribute song countdown to album release programs that is called Promo single. Exceptly, "Time Machine" was released as promo single to radio stations which was appeared on Billboard Japan, Radio songs chart and Japan Hot 100 March 12, 2012 on No.9. Chinese promo single, "Find Your Soul" was also released distributed for free to promote the game, Blade & Soul. I hope you will agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enjoyso (talkcontribs) 04:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Dear Enjoyso, I cannot completely understand what you are saying. Sorry about that. Here is my question to you: I really don't see why we need to separate the section. They are all "promotional" singles to me.--TerryAlex (talk) 05:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
I think Promotional single isn't official single. Official single is a song from the album that has music video, promoting on music show and enter to high chart positions. So it should separate the section because the promotional single is just song to try to convince the listener to buy the album or advertise some products. Beside, It has lower price than official single (official single such as "Party" price is 1.99 USD but "Chocolate Love" price is 0.99 USD on itunes). For Japan, the official single released as physically, CD single but some digitally format released by Recochoku and Itunes before one a week to release official album that indicates to Promo single. Sorry about that you do not understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enjoyso (talkcontribs) 08:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
With the way K-pop operates, I just find it hard to distinguish that at times. "Chocolate Love", "Time Machine", "Indestructible" and "Divine", etc. all had their music videos. "Catch Me If You Can" was not promoted on any Korean nor Japanese music shows, but it was still an "official" single. Big Bang is not promoting their two latest official singles, "If You" and "Sober", on any music shows either. Random86 and ‎HĐ, what do you think about this? --TerryAlex (talk) 14:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Huh, I didn't get a notification for this either. I think "promotional single" has a different meaning in Korea. It just means singles that are promoted (e.g. on music shows), as can be seen from these Mnet articles: [1], [2], [3]. I'm going to ping @: again just in case he didn't see this. Random86 (talk) 06:01, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

To me some songs added in this old version could be included in the section "Promotional singles" (ex. "Divine"[4] and "Indestructible"[5], which were made available on pre-ordering of The Best, "My Oh My"[6] was released digitally in Japan). And the rest: "Chocolate Love" and "Visual Dreams" somewhat cannot be identified as promotional singles as they are released individually on music retailers. Simon (talk) 09:04, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

OK. I will add only Japanese promo single. If it is incorrect, they will discuss again.

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