User talk:Thargor Orlando

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Once again, the real world gets in the way. Time very limited.

If I leave you a message at your talk page or at the talk of an article, I have it watchlisted and will look for replies there. No need to leave talkback messages here, but using the talkback function on those pages is appreciated and encouraged.

Furthermore, if you're coming here to talk to me about a content dispute, your best bet is to raise it at the talk page of the article(s) in question. If you leave a message pertaining directly to a content dispute, I am likely to simply tell you to bring it to talk anyway, so let's both save a step. Thargor Orlando (talk) 16:22, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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Please comment on Template talk:Largest cities of Israel[edit]

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Please join the discussion on Talk:Glengarry Glen Ross (film)[edit]

Hello, I am soliciting comments for an RfC that is currently open on the "Glengarry Glen Ross (film)" page. There is disagreement about where the film was set (New York vs. Chicago).

One of the issues is whether it is original research to cite to elements in the film itself (including props, dialogue, and a statement in the end credits that it was "filmed on location in New York City") to establish setting.

Response so far in the RfC has been mixed. Comments welcome! Xanthis (talk) 14:06, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration Enforcement[edit]

A discussion about your behavior is under way at Arbitration Enforcement. Have a great day! MarkBernstein (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics[edit]

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Please comment on Talk:Kokuchūkai[edit]

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Topic ban[edit]

here, you are indefinitely topic banned from all edits and discussion regarding User:MarkBernstein. You are also restricted from opening and noticeboard discussions or enforcement requests related to MarkBernstein without the permission of an uninvolved administrator. Gamaliel (talk) 16:59, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Gamaliel (talk · contribs), what is the appeals process on this at this stage, since you provided zero evidence to support this action? Thargor Orlando (talk) 17:10, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to repost the notice since it got mangled in my cut and paste. I apologize for the error.

As per the discussion here, you are indefinitely topic banned from all edits and discussion regarding User:MarkBernstein. You are also restricted from opening and participating in noticeboard discussions or enforcement requests related to MarkBernstein without the permission of an uninvolved administrator. Gamaliel (talk) 21:31, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015[edit]

Consider this a final warning, with the hopes than another administrator will see it, and consider not pushing the block button. Now: You were informed by an admin. at 16:59 on 13 March that you were restricted from opening notice board discussions. At 18:36, less than 2 hours later you opened a thread here. Gamaliel had plenty of support in his closure. What admin. told you it was ok to open that thread? Perhaps you did get caught in the wrong place, at the wrong time - but what made you think that going right back to that board and opening a new thread was a good idea? I'll be blunt Thargor: I had two tabs open when I saw that. 1-the block button. 2-this talk page. I chose the later due to my excessive WP:AGF nature. Please think long and hard before you continue on this path. Go edit articles.Ched :  ?  19:59, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

addendum Come to me in a couple months, and I'll be happy to take an appeal to the board. — Ched :  ?  20:05, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
That's not what the topic ban is about, sorry. My topic ban is that I'm "restricted from opening and noticeboard discussions or enforcement requests related to MarkBernstein." This appeal is related to me. Furthermore, WP:BANEX allows me to appeal my topic ban, which I have done. All of this is explained in my appeal, which I respectfully ask you to read carefully. I do not need an administrator to allow me to appeal a topic ban, although I appreciate your future offer (although your assistance today would be much more helpful). So please actually look at the merits of the case as opposed to simply being deferential. Thargor Orlando (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Thargor, a lot of editing involving some of the recent ideological topics have been very personal and I think it makes it feel like pride is at stake. However, you ought to realize a bunch of people are doing the "sad clown act". You know, where a clown in sad makeup comes out and then slips on a pie for the audience. Normally you're supposed to laugh, but sometimes the clown overplays it and you wind up feeling sorry for the actor, in which case the act becomes uneasy. A lot of Wikipedia's sad clowns are hugely overplaying how sad it is to have pie on their butts - I mean, they're quoting Shakespeare at an encyclopedia article about moral panic in video gaming culture. It's Drama with a capital 'D'. I understand not wanting to have the black mark of a ban on your account, but honestly, what long term plan is there to having it lifted? If you fall in a pie, let the world laugh at your misery then get up and go to the next act - otherwise people get tired and start to boo you off stage.
The tone being directed at you by this admin here is obnoxiously authoritative, but truthfully it's not a battle worth fighting, you know? Not unless you've got some kind of strategy in mind that requires you to be able to interact with this user or bring them to arbitration. YellowSandals (talk) 20:27, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
I'll just acknowledge this and leave it at that for now. Thanks for the concern. Thargor Orlando (talk) 20:29, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Well - you and DHeyward do as you feel you must. I assume that the final solution (and the original thread has not even been closed yet) is meant to read: "restricted from opening and participating in noticeboard discussions or enforcement requests related to MarkBernstein." Why is that such an unacceptable thing? MB is not only under the very same restriction, but also restricted via the DS ruling that he avoid Gamergate/Campus rape". What is so difficult and restricting about avoiding MB? Hey - you folks do as you feel you must, but don't be surprised if there's a block right around the corner if you keep at it as you are now. I'll be off-line for a bit now, but best of luck. — Ched :  ?  20:37, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Ched (talk · contribs) why it's unacceptable is listed in my appeal. If someone blocks me for appealing my topic ban, that's a bigger problem to deal with, but your questions are exactly why the topic ban is untenable. Thargor Orlando (talk) 20:42, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
I will amend the wording of the topic ban to read "participating" in since that's what I meant to say. However, opening this is perfectly acceptable since appeals of a topic ban are allowed. Gamaliel (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Apology[edit]

I've struck the above warning which I posted. I misunderstood the intent of the findings at WP:AE, and I was wrong. I could go on about honestly wanting to get a "warning" there to prevent a "block", but I could understand if all of it would ring hollow to you. You are of course completely free to remove the entire thread from your talk, but given that others have also commented here I don't think I should remove it myself.

  • I was wrong, and I apologize.Ched :  ?  13:58, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
I appreciate you doing so. No sweat off my back, I understand as well as anyone how frustratingly irritating this entire debacle is. Thargor Orlando (talk) 13:59, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Army Ranger Wing[edit]

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Please comment on Talk:Project for the New American Century[edit]

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your ping[edit]

I will read and reply as soon as I am able. — Ched :  ?  18:39, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

OK - from the statement that you made here, please tell me exactly what unsubstantiated "claim" I made that you want a response to. (diff and link please). — Ched :  ?  13:43, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
And if you'd care to, please explain why I would want to participate in an area where I'm insulted, have my integrity called into question, and get called "obnoxious". Also: Just an FYI - Wiki is not my job - and if I choose to not continue to participate at a certain page or area - then I don't see a single policy that compels me to do so. And that's provided that I'm even able to get up and get on my computer. Further on my opting "not to come back": It's often my approach to state my position on a situation, (be it AE, RfA, AfD, or whatever) and simply allow Wikipedia:Consensus to develop without repeating myself ad infinitum; or allowing myself to be drawn into a vortex of tenacious debate. — Ched :  ?  13:52, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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Malta[edit]

Your attention is called to the discussion at Talk:Malta#Which map should we use in main infobox? Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 07:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Modification of restrictions[edit]

A few fellow administrators have objected to the way HJ Mitchell and I have dealt with the recent dispute between DHeyward and MarkBernstein. As a result, I am lifting the restriction on all of you opening enforcement requests against each other, so other administrators can bring a fresh perspective to this long-lasting dispute. The topic ban on discussing one another otherwise remains in place. Please bring any requests or disputes regarding each other or Gamergate to WP:AE and not to my talk page or my inbox. Thank you. Gamaliel (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

@Gamaliel: an apology and full retraction is really what's needed here, but I'm not participating due to real life issues stemming, in part, by your incompetence on this issue, so I won't expect any changes. Please resign. Thargor Orlando (talk) 12:25, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
You have an interesting sense of humor. Gamaliel (talk) 14:18, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

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  • Your Numeric Answer: 8k
  • Your Comments: I'd say 10k is a more round number, but I'm generally less interested in edit count at that stage than tenure and participation in bureaucratic activity in this area.
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  • Your Comments: See above. Tenure length doesn't tell a further.
  • Q#3. Arbs...
D: should preferably be an admin
  • Your Single-Letter Answer: D
  • Your Comments: I think the community has pretty much said this already.
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  • Your Comments: See above. Doesn't tell the whole story.
  • Your List-Of-Usernames You Supported: I largely followed User:The_owner_of_all/ACE2015 voting guide this year.
  • Your Comments: I have largely stopped editing Wikipedia as of late but still find the service of value. Far too many candidates are too focused on things not related to building an encyclopedia (like the GGTF bloc) or have shown such spectacularly terrible judgement in administrative activity or interpersonal discussion to not be acceptable or even competent arbitrators.
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  • Your Wikipedia Username: Thargor Orlando (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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  • Your List-Of-Usernames You Opposed: I largely followed User:The_owner_of_all/ACE2015 voting guide this year.
  • Your Comments: As above, my opposition came from the bad blocs or worse individuals. Many of the people up for this role shouldn't even be administrators, never mind arbs.
  • Q#7. Are there any Wikipedians you would like to see run for ArbCom, in the December 2016 election, twelve months from now? Who?
  • Your List-Of-Usernames As Potential Future Candidates: n/a
  • Your Comments: I'm not involved enough to know at this point. I fear the leadership in this project may be too broken at this point to find arbitration solutions valuable.
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O: other types of contribution, please specify in your comments
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  • Your Comments: Inability to understand other users, a constant battleground mentality, misstating evidence, misunderstanding evidence, outright deception. A number of the candidates engaged directly with activities like this.
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Happy Yuletide[edit]

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Merry Yuletide to you! (And a happy new year!)

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AE[edit]

There is a discussion at AE that involves you. There was an attempt to ping you, but they misspelled your username. Cheers. — Strongjam (talk) 14:17, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Arbitration Enforcement topic/interaction ban appeal closed - Result: Ban lifted[edit]

As per the result of this this Arbitration Enforcement appeal, the three-way mutual interaction ban between MarkBernstein, DHeyward, and Thargor Orlando has been lifted. If you have any questions please contact me at my talkpage. Coffee // have a cup // beans // 20:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Biography feedback requested[edit]

Your input is requested about an RFC regarding Donald Trump. Here is a link directly to that RFC. The lead of that biography currently says, "Many of his statements in interviews, on Twitter, and at campaign rallies have been controversial." The RFC proposes to insert the words "or false" at the end of that sentence. Thank you in advance for participating. If you have the time, there is a second RFC at that talk page which proposes to instead add the words "or hyperbolic".Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

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