User talk:ThatPeskyCommoner/Archive 12

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NF Pony research[edit]

See this? What do you think? Want to add a bit on it to the NF Pony article? Montanabw(talk) 20:18, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Wow! How fascinating! I wonder if it's only in one of the "foreign" lines? I don;t recall ever hearing of a case locally. I'll have another read through and possibly add something in (unless someone else gets to it first). Of course a line with that would be unlikely to last long in natural breeding conditions like the Forest itself, I'd think; one of the instances where stud-based breeding is much less likely to weed it out without human intervention. Pesky (talk) 08:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done I'm considering putting that up for GA, as well. My mind is not as clear as it could be, so I'll think about it for a while. Pesky (talk) 15:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Genetic diseases exist in most purebred breeds (see what I did with them at Appaloosa and Arabian horse). I would agree that deleterious recessives usually are weeded out in feral and semi-feral populations over time, though often in a closed stud book, it is almost inevitable that they lurk for generations, and often in the most popular lines (as those are the ones most likely to be linebred). Bringing this stuff to light so DNA tests get developed is my "Cause." (I own a mare with cerebellar abiotrophy, her photo is in the WP article here) With technology, we can preserve valued bloodlines yet never ever produce an affected foal again. I'll tweak the language on the NFP article a wee bit to be genetically on track. Montanabw(talk) 17:12, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Also, found that wiley article and sent it to your email. Montanabw(talk) 15:20, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, thank you! I shall immerse myself in that one shortly. Not this evening, though; it's currently 20:56, and I have been awake since 03:30 ... sigh Pesky (talk) 19:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Hassling Auntie Pesky....again[edit]

Minor Barnstar.png The Minor Barnstar
The minor barnstar was too big

This was too big, but I want to thank you seriously for something,

Just 4 Barnstars rotating.gif the Very modest barnstar
In recognition of the little things that you do.

and the modest barnstar i already gave you, and it's still too big.

the minature barnstar is about right, to say thanks for putting up with a pesky editor who likes to ask about their artwork now and then. It's not quite finished yet, it all needs a cleanup. when I thought to get your opinion, I also though to thank you for putting up with my hassling you :) Penyulap

Penyulap, the chance to sit here and gaze in amazement at the awesome things your mind can do is honestly not a hassle! You're incredible. Your anims lighten my day. I'm perpetually gobsmacked at your abilities. Pesky (talk) 08:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
P.S. By the way, it's miniature :o) Pesky (talk) 11:41, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Not when I'm making spelling mistakes it isn't. :P Penyulap
fixed the anime, it's good to go. Penyulap 00:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

For this, after this(& in line with this). Now take yer lump: and try to call it better next time! ;> Doc talk 07:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I can see where you're coming from, but I think it's possible you misunderstood me (not what I said, but me as a person). Pesky (talk) 07:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Nah - I have nothing against you as a person (certainly), or as an "editing person" (that I know of). I am always open to a good, sound trouting myself, and I even have a userbox for it. No hard feelings: just exercising a tradition! Cheers :> Doc talk 07:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I have nothing against upholding non-harmful traditions ;P I just wish I could "fix" the entire world (except that I wouldn't want the responsibility ... heck, I don't even want the responsibility of being a Nadmin!) Pesky (talk) 08:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
You sure have a strange definition of "fix." 28bytes (talk) 10:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't know, I think Pesky's idea of fixing the world is pretty standard - improve all things she considers problems. Unfortunately, the trap appears when you realise that it's the things Pesky considers problems that she wants to fix. I personally think Barts1a's kittle was a little more obnoxious because it did not explain the meaning behind the message, something Pesky at least tried to. WormTT · (talk) 10:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I will agree with you that Barts1a's was more obnoxious. 28bytes (talk) 10:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
28Bytes, please don't byte ("a little more obnoxious"). I tried (and failed, obviously) to put what I was really feeling into words. Pesky (talk) 10:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, in case I wasn't clear, I don't think your message to Courcelles went anywhere beyond "less than optimal". I just consider it a Pesky thing to do. I've spoken to Bart, and I don't believe his message was meant as obnoxious, though he now understands why it could be interpreted that way. Anyway, will wander off now :) WormTT · (talk) 10:51, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
As the self-appointed trout-delivery-system in both cases, I must reiterate that I have absolutely nothing against anyone for anything that they have done, and I am not trying to play any sort of "blame-game" or be divisive with my fish-slappings. We all mess up sometimes; and Lord knows I have, and plenty of times. A "questionable" decision or two does not always equal a "questionable" editor. No offense, or characterization, is meant to be implied by my "whacking". Please whack the ever-loving bejeezus out of me, should I need it! Any of you! :> Doc talk 11:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
The biggest, baddest problem was what it's always been ... if someone else had said that, there would hardly have been a raised eyebrow. Far, far worse things were said by others on the same day. It wasn't what was said that was "the problem"; it was just that it was Malleus who said it. People notice much, much more when it's someone like Malleus or KW who says it. That's my big, big bugbear with the civility policy. I think the entire place should be friendly, and civil, and all that. But it's much more important, a far higher priority, and defending a much bigger principle, that everyone should be treated just the same. I'm principle-centred, not incivility-enabling. And the principle of justice takes priority, with me, over the principle of "being civil". Pesky (talk) 06:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Since yesterday I have been trying to paWn the image for 500 gold, but the commons wizard has won this round. I can't upload a 4.5MB GIF file in the appropriate definition. I have no idea why (sarcasm). But there is no troubleshooting guide. (this image is no comment on the text part of this section, but I would expect that is obvious to the wise) Anyhow here is the CRAPPY VERSION YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN LOOK AT. CLOSE YOUR EYES AND DO NOT LOOK.

File:PenPe Squarium low resolution.gif

I'm not happy with all the technical glitches I had with this, not happy at all. This is the low resolution version, and even the proper nice one has glitches as you can see on this one, but meh. Anyhow, a bit tired of the fight. IT'S OK to open your eyes now and continue reading the rest of the page. I put it away as it is very big for a talkpage, megabytes of connection-choking junk. Penyulap 21:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

"WTF does 'principle-centred' really mean?"[edit]

OK, it goes like this. We're "centred" on the things which are really, really important to us. Being principle-centred means that we do things, and judge things, by the light of principles which we've decided for ourselves. It means that principles are more important than individual persons; so we defend the principle, and not the individual person. Sometimes, to defend the principle, you find yourself "defending" your worst enemy (it's not the word I really mean, but it'll do) and "opposing" your best friend (again, not the word I really mean, but it'll do).

That means that during the course of the same discussion, you can apparently be switching sides from one person to the other, which is really hard for people to get a handle on when they're trying to work out "whose side you're on".

As soon as you move away from "defending the person" to "defending a principle", you then have to look at what the principles are, and prioritise them. Some principles are much more important than others are (this is something you have to decide for yourself, always). So you defend the principles in order of priority.

This can be really, really, really hard for other people to understand. But that's what being principle-centred means, in a nutshell. Pesky (talk) 07:08, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh,Oh, (hand in air) exibit A, Penyulap, I do this all the time with the same 'great' results. I can find lots of examples for that. I doubt there are many people at all who 'get me'. I don't like people who are not principle centered. They'll stand by and watch someone rob or set fire to you, and when you complain about it they are like 'you really should be more positive, I don't think what your saying is very nice at all' and entirely ignore that someone is setting you on fire with petrol, robbing you, whatever. They hide in wiki policy which says they have done nothing wrong at all. Penyulap
The down-side is that being principle-centred sometimes means you're upsetting someone you care about, in order to defend a bigger principle. The reason it's a down side is choosing between staying in the "temporary comfort zone" and betraying your principles, and then feeling wretched and a failure, or doing something you really don't want to do, because not doing it causes much more long-term "discomfort zone" stuff, which never, ever leaves you. It's why conscientious objectors went to prison instead of to war. Principles are more important than personal freedoms. Pesky (talk) 17:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
..and freedom is more important than life most of the time, or at least the prospect of it. Being wild and caged at the same time doesn't work. A life without freedom, to be domesticated like a donkey, well, it's not acceptable sometimes. (braveheart movie?) The rulers do go to a lot of trouble to raise trouble-free batches of slaves. Hmm, I like the matrix. But then, who doesn't.
So which one of us is the last samurai ? MMmm yummy food, yummy life. To get into the Delorean and live in a nice century, that'd be cool. We should stop with the computer and get to work around the house building a time machine. Penyulap


Hope your health is improving 100 fold every day. I replied to your kind comment on my talk. Best wishes and all. ```Buster Seven Talk 13:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

100 fold would be nice! ;P Doc has now prescribed me diazepam to take at night as a muscle-relaxant, so that my stupid (overworked!) shoulder muscles don;t go into that rigid, rock-hard, on-fire spasm thing and wake me at 4am ... last night was the first night with it, and it made a heck of a difference! Not perfect, but so much better than it has been :D Pesky (talk) 17:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Oooowwh, the kind of pain that is worse than can't-go-to-sleep pain is wake-up-in-the-night pain. That's no fun, that is really bad, a struggle to know what is going on as you are waking up. not good. Penyulap 21:23, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Night pain always breaks through in my dreams before it wakes me; when I had huge trouble with my Achilles tendons (before they were both operated on) I used to dream of being caught by the ankles by sharks, or stepping into man-traps, and things like that. Now, with the shoulder, it's dreams of being set on fire there, or having a huge predator get its massive teeth into the top of my shoulder ... so I always know what woke me! Pesky (talk) 05:24, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

There have been times in my motley medical history when the pain's been so bad that my entire body has gone into spasm, and I can't even turn over to reach the painkillers ... sometimes I've had to get my Other Half to syringe-feed me with morphine because I literally can't move. Fortunately, that one doesn't happen often. Pesky (talk) 07:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Can't take away the pain, but try to cheer you up a bit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Wow! How amazing! As I've just said on Malleus's talk, this morning I am faced with the choice of editing under the influence of either pain or opiates, but at least I have a choice this morning! As the pain is tolerable, I'm avoiding the opiates for as long as I can (don't want to become reliant on them!) I'm hoping to be opiate-free all day, today :D Pesky (talk) 07:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Wishing you the best for that! The talk you mentioned - I don't even understand the words. So, instead of more arguments, I published nice fact, composed and sourced by the unwanted writer. Please feel free to show them around ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
The simple fact that they are here means that quite a few people have been shown them! I have quite a lot of people who watch my talk page but don't necessarily contribute to it. Pesky (talk) 08:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the hosting! You are precious! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
It worked! Thanks! see my user/talk and thanks again for the spirit of civility, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Edits. Will try and get the Centijimbos.--Gilderien Talk|Contribs 09:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
88 watchers!--Gilderien Talk|Contribs 09:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I added me! Had to work out how the linky think went (copy, analyze, tweak, paste, get it wrong, forgot bit, tweak again, seems to have worked now .....). It would be cool if the list were automated ... now who, among my watchers, could write a script to do that, so it constantly updates? Pesky (talk) 09:34, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I could get approval if required and run a bot for that, if someone wants to write the code initially, I can tinker and maintain it after that. Also, the number of watchers can be, and is, manipulated by many users. Makes no difference though, as it is easy to judge if it is correct with your own calculation of Charm plus Infamy multiplied by Time. If the number of watchers doesn't reflect (C+I) x T then you it indicates having a look at S, the editors likely-hood to use socks. Either way, it's like drugs in sport, it's got nothing to do with the athlete when they do that, it's a battle of the chemists. And just like real sports, there are those who have no desire to be compared to Jimbo, so the list is not automated. Penyulap

Out of the blue hello~![edit]

  • Two things I need to tell you, the first is methinks you really need to archive your talk page soon as it took me puter a wee bit longer to load this page; the second is about this test, I scored 25~! Problem is, my wife being an educator was of the opinion that I'm very ADHD at times and with this latest test, she's telling me that I maybe a wee bit of HFA, as she noticed (through her observations) that I oftentimes edited WP with an almost one-track-mind. What gives~? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:34, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi there! My page is supposed to archive itself, but for some reason that doesn't always appear to be working! I shall have to go and do that manual-archiving tweaky thing again, I can tell! An awful lot of A-spectrum people either are, or are viewed as, being ADD/AHDH/OCD (and a number of other things as well). I think, with us, it's not so much attention-deficit, as attention mega-focus on the one thing we want to be focussing on. So if someone wants to get our attention onto something they want it to be focussed on, it can seem as though we have attention-deficit. Does that make sense? Aspie/autie people can be quite incredibly intense, which can come across as hyperactive – and yes, we can be hyperactive, too. In the past, I had incredible trouble "interacting" with people; I never knew what to say, what to do, how to "join in", and all that. I "learned" to do the chatty, bubbly, outgoing thing, but I don't know how to get it right, so I'm absolutely sure that I totally over-do it, in an over-compesatory way of not wanting to be judged as aloof, emotionless, distanced, stand-offish, and all those other things which we A-spectrum people are so often misjudged as being. After several decades, I still haven't got the balance right! I do try, as so many of us do, but it's one of those things which comes completely instinctively to neurotypicals and just doesn't to A-spectrum people. Learning interactive skills, almost parrot-fashion, is never going to be the same as having them hardwired-in to the brain. All we can do is our best, and all the people around us can do is remember that we need downtime more than they do, and we need to "shut the world out" more than they do, because too much of it is literally painful to us. We see so much of it in so much greater intensity. For us, the Real World can be like having the volume on the hi-fi turned up way too loud is for the neurotypicals. It's like having crumbs in the bed which you just can't get rid of. Pesky (talk) 08:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Here's something for the neurotypicals to ponder: someone once asked me "How can you stand there staring at that tree for so long?" The answer: But it's not "that tree". It's ... look at that sparrow, that leaf, that twig, the way the light catches on that shiny thing a magpie probably put there; the way those two branches make different shapes when the wind catches them, the pattern in the bark just there, that squirrel (and the other one I've just noticed), that blackbird's nest, the mistletoe on that top branch ... and that's just the beginning. And, for us A-spectrum people, looking at the neurotypicals, it's a question of "How can you possibly not see all that stuff?" Pesky (talk) 08:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I just took it and scored 14. Only four of my answers were in the "Definitely disagree" column, and none were in the "Definitely Agree", leaving all the rest in the middle two columns. Was I too "wishy-washy" with my answers? I don't know if this test measures that. Doc talk 09:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Precisely! "How can you possibly not see all that stuff?" That would be me answer to me wife at times and she's the OCD type... man, talk about like attract like~! But seriously, we're just glad that our kids are not like us in those ways. Face-grin.svg --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 09:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Doc, I think possibly that neurotypicals don't have the same levels of strongly-agree and strongly-disagree. Maybe that's how the test works. Maybe neurotypicals don't get the same cringe-or-leap response that we A-spectrum people do, to certain stimuli. @Dave I actually rather like having offspring and their offspring who fall into the same area of the spectrum! It's the anticipatory thing of ... wow! Which thing is he/she going to be a genius at? And yet one of my children (a mum herself) scored only 6 ... way, way down at the other end of the continuum! Which probably explains why she and I sometimes have trouble understanding what the other one is getting at! Pesky (talk) 09:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Having difficulty understanding each other~? Tell me about it... because my oldest boy, at 10 this year, always gave me that facepalm expression when he doesn't get us. Well, the in-laws was saying something like generation gap but your answer to me just now probably nailed it squarely. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 09:26, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
At 10, he's old enough to understand, if you talk to him about it :D He can probably understand colour-blindness, yes? Or tone-deafness? I'm sure there are books around to help kids understand how autism-spectrum stuff affects people, how it works, how to make it work ... the way people just see the world differently from each other, and how to understand that. Pesky (talk) 09:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
  • In my castle, my missus is the minister for home and foreign affairs while I'm the minister of defence and finance so she deals with my boy instead, I'll just sit by and listen/watch so that he knows that we are united. Kids these days are not like us from back then... sometimes, we get swamped by the heap of questions from the boys. *sigh* --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:44, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
My friend and I used to sit in a garden in sight of an ivy-covered tree, where dozens of doves were always busy. That friend grew up far away, in a different climate, where there are the same doves, but the doves there are much thinner because of the climate. My friend used to hunt them with a slingshot for food, so I understood how much they couldn't look away from the tree. All they could see was a tree full of plump roast chicken dinners, quite teasingly animated. Other people really couldn't see a thing.
I think if I tried, I just might lose my head Penyulap
I did that test just then and got 33, but I expect it changes over time, and changes according to mind-mode too. What is the maximum score on that test anyhow, it doesn't say where you are on a graph. Penyulap
It's likely to change a little from day to day, depending on mood (how you "see yourself" that day, really). The questions are supposed to be answered on the basis of "what you're like on average". Penyulap - I score higher than you do ;P But there's an enormous range of people, and it's not a success-or-failure scale, it's just a descriptive one. Pesky (talk) 10:33, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
I just did it again and got 40, which is still middle of the same category, so it doesn't change much, but maybe others can change theirs easier. Penyulap
You can't really change the things you really like or dislike much. What you can change is your ability to cope with things, and your understanding of other people, and how you choose to react to things. You can't make yourself a neurotypical if you're on the autism spectrum, but you can tweak what you do by knowing your strengths and weaknesses, and making allowances for the fact that neurotypicals just can't see the world in quite the same way. And trust that they can make allowances for you, too, and be forgiving when they can't. They can't help it ... Pesky (talk) 10:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, I am grateful to the few who have flexible minds. Penyulap

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The key is 90% education. Whenever anyone has enough understanding of something, the flexibility is part of the understanding. Most people are just unaware of the differences, so of course they have trouble making allowances. Pesky (talk) 10:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

the education part is such a total battle. I don't want help, but the barnstar talkpage is a classic, I see the page is a honeypot for people who have made a barnstar, and there is a mousetrap hidden there, and they get reverted. so I want a editnotice to redirect them, and suddenly everyone agrees, but then they can't see how to direct that kind of editor, they want a pointless editnotice really, it's like i have to explain everything, but it's such a battle to find the words or the way. sigh. people should just trust the person who can see clearly to lead them, I always do, if someone is an expert, I leave it to them. Penyulap
LOL I just picked a few RL people I don't particularly like, mixed them, ran an emulation of them doing that test, and 'they' scored 5. If it were just one I could go and slap them ! lol Penyulap
Ahh, that's a very common trap for people to fall into! Remember you can never really know how someone else actually feels about something, so it's impossible to guess how they would have answered the questions! And our differences – at least those which we can't help – should never make us want to go and slap someone! Would you want to slap someone for being in a wheelchair? Pesky (talk) 08:19, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


  • Surprise, surprise... my missus took the test and she scored 30~! As for me, it is 28 now... someone's not laughing at me this time~! Face-grin.svg --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Ha! Auties are much more compatible and lovable than the homogenized masses. They are more like jigsaw pieces than scrabble pieces. I wouldn't slap Steven Hawkins, but I'd sure give him several lectures on many of his ridiculous wrong ideas, that's for sure. BAH! Penyulap
Oh and it wasn't the wheelies I wanted to slap, it was the alcoholic WWFers I was aiming for. I am so naughty. Penyulap
"Seek first to understand, and then to be understood." Discussion is better than lecture. Ask him why he thinks the idea is right. Pesky (talk) 09:01, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
That doesn't worry me, there are no secrets on the internet, how many times have hackers proved this beyond all doubt. It's quite funny actually, there are so many times editors may as well just sign their name onto their edit, as I can tell who it is by what it is they are editing and how they are editing. Actually I think ducks are part of policy, so I'm not the only one, but I do have very big eyes for that and see clearer than most. Those hash secure things for ID if your account is hacked are kind of pointless for people like me, I mean you just have a 5 minute competition for hilarious anims on a arbitrarily chosen topic and presto, if someone can out-me me, then they deserve to win and I'll stand aside, two me's is better than one. But most of my critics get hammered by bots so I'm quite comfortable. I have seen as good as it gets, I like that movie too, the guy is as much an ahole as pretty much any random passerby where he lives, but just doesn't keep it to himself....and he is proven to be such a sweetie in the end too. Happily ever after. Penyulap
Actually it's pretty easy to pretend that you are in another country, or whatever. Penyulap
Wow look at how fast jet aeroplanes travel these days, now I'm in Bekasi, Indonesia ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
And my baggage with laptop went somewhere else. *sigh* isn't it always the way, do you think that my laptop will be aright ? still simple tricks are no substitute for wit, or having good platform in a debate, cheating is just admitting that you lost. Penyulap
Pesky I think the professor falls down on his arguments because he has copied and built upon the mistakes of others. It's always better to build your fundamental knowledge yourself, and sure, learn from others, but know the difference. I like the work of tesla, because he goes so far beyond all of his peers, so far beyond all known scientific thought, into places that have no jargon, because nobody has ever been there before. People criticizing him as being crazy because he can't express himself in regular words is just admitting they can't follow him where he goes, and they need jargon just to pretend to know what he is going on about. (not that I understand what he was on about, I reach into those areas but nowhere near where he went) Penyulap

Did you know?[edit]

No, I had no idea. Some, unfortunately, we just can't "save" :o( Pesky (talk) 04:09, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, there are those who don't even want to count their blessings when help is Being rendered. Instead, they'd rather let their own obsession consume them in the process than to be saved. Tragic but that's life, I guess. Been nice chatting with you, see ya around gramp... Cheers~! --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 07:18, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Sometimes they end up reading enough, or getting interested enough, to work it out for themselves. Pesky (talk) 07:24, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

A Question[edit]

Do you think I'm ready to be an admin? Soviet King In Soviet Russia, page edit you! 05:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

It's not for me to decide! The only way you will ever find out whether Teh Community (or at least that sector of Teh Community which voices its opinions at RfA) considers you ready to be an Admin is to put yourself up for RfA. Personally, I think the likelihood is that you would probably get slaughtered over there, and you would find it a horribly distressing experience.

I though you'd decided to retire, anyway? There's not much point in getting a few extra cleaning tools if you're not going to be around doing cleaning ... and I can't actually think why anyone would really want to be a Nadmin, but that's just me. I have no intention of ever running for adminship, and if someone else nominated me I would politely turn it down. You know, there's an absolute mass of stuff you can do without being an Admin.

My personal advice to you would be not even to consider putting yourself up at RfA until you have many, many months more experience doing all the adminny-type things which you don't actually need the mop for, and (and this is the most important thing of all) you have mastered the ability never, ever, ever to fly off the handle and snap at people. Pesky (talk) 05:50, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Pesky is correct Soviet King. The retired template alone would likely get many oppose votes, and right or wrong, your edit count isn't that high yet. Remove the retired template (even if you aren't editing - no need to announce it), and keep doing what you've been doing lately for another 4 - 6 months and ask a couple folks you trust where they think you stand. I think you have great potential. — Ched :  ?  08:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Almost forgot. While I'm here: gampa hugs and wolfie kisses to Pesky. :-) — Ched :  ?  08:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Schluuurrrrrrrp ;P and snuggle ... Pesky (talk) 08:57, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
* Ok, thanks Ched. I agree I have entered the wrong paths, but I am doing good hopefully. I have got to wonder how many people will love to be here because of your tender and caring attitude. Thanks for the heads up Ched. Care to me my new admin coach? I've been here longer than most people, and I think i'll just edit a bit more. Soviet King In Soviet Russia, page edit you! 12:17, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
can I ask, in Soviet Russia, what's a Russian reversal ? (run away)
Ched is a Truly Wonderful Person, and deserves every hug he can get his arms around. Penyulap: lɐsɹǝʌǝɹ uɐıssnɹ ∀  ??? Pesky (talk) 19:01, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Soviet King. You asked the same question at my page so I thought I'd also say that no, I'm afraid you are not ready to become an administrator. I won't go into too many details, because you've had some good advice above. There are a few factors, the retired tag, recent disputes at AN/I, the fact that your name does not relate to your signature (I know it redirects) are all problematic with regards to becoming an admin. If you are interested though, try following my magic formula for a few months, and see how you do! WormTT · (talk) 07:40, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


While Strange Passerby had many good contributions, we both have entered in a few scraps. Some of his comments/attitude with or about me include the following:

  • Telling me I lie my way out of things to go to the same thing over and over again ([1]), which appears to be in stark contrast with these: ([2]), ([3]), ([4]), where it clearly shows that he has a knack of creating things a great deal of. I agree back then I was very steamed with Strange Passerby with his/her attitude towards me, and I reluctantly agreed with his statement on the Wikipedia talk page.
  • Challenging my sanity and accusing me of incompetency to edit Wikipedia: ([5]) If you haven't noticed, I have done nothing to provoke him/her to respond in this way. I appreciate the fact that I was new and often made the tendency to make a few mistakes (yes, I'm human, not a robot). Up till then, I was versed with the Copyright thing, but I had no idea it applied to WP:ITN. Feeling that he was trying to steer me away and make a huge big deal about me contributing to that section, I responded with an uncivil (yes, I said sorry about that) edit summary.

But whatever it is, I guess I'm just over it really. Like you've said: I flied of the handle and snapped at him. I agree what I did in the past was wrong, and the past is the past really. Those looking into the past just won't grow up and look into the real world as it is. After all, he is a Nosy Parker (if you didn't know, it's a colloquial term to describe someone inquisitive). I don't think I was wrong entirely, but he too was wrong in the sense that he boosted off into making a big deal about something innocent. That I think isn't right, as that could bring upon other opinions that could be perceived as hurtful and might want an editor to drive away from editing that section on Wikipedia. What I don't like is that he is persistently refusing to see that, but hopefully the time will come when he realises that. Soviet King In Soviet Russia, page edit you! 12:17, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I had a good look through all of those. It seems to me (though obviously I could be wrong, as I'm sure there's probably more history between you) that you're / you were being a bit over-sensitive, maybe, and seeing more there than there really was to see (we do that, too! It's that Hypervigilance thing ... I think you're seeing "attacks" where there aren't really attacks). Soooo, long story short, the biggest thing you probably need to do is really learn WP:AGF off by heart, and really understand it, to the extent where your first reaction to something should become "He/She probably didn't mean anything spiteful or vindictive or even snarky at all, let it lie ..." The being over-touchy, over-jumpy thing will get better with time and effort on your part, but there's no way you'd be ready to be an admin (for example) until you have that thing absolutely under control. Like, no snark or over-jumpiness or snappiness or even feeling attacked, where there's room for doubt, for at least 6 months? It can take that long before you really have that internal snap-dragon chilled out and snoozing! Pesky (talk) 18:54, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that I think needs to be addressed carefully, but what Is important is that the talk left on the Wikipedia page could have invited other personal opinions. I have been assuming good faith, but it was up to the point where I could hold it anymore because of his serious concerns regarding his nosiness. Soviet King In Soviet Russia, page edit you! 06:43, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure that what you're perceiving as "nosiness" could / should be equally validly perceived as "concern for the wellbeing of the 'pedia." In the past, I've fallen into the autie-trap of "turning someone into a persecuting ogre" when all they were really doing was keeping tabs on me because one or more things I had done had concerned them. They didn't mean anything at all nasty by it, but I misinterpreted the way they were putting it. I think I was probably well over 25 before I "got it" on that one, and I still (at over 50) have to make a conscious effort to think very, very hard about some people. You may well be just the same – the tendency to view someone as "persecuting you" or "obsessed by you" may be one that's very hard for you to shake off. Thing is, the harder it is to shake off, the harder we have to work at it. Being an Aspie/autie in a mostly-neurotypical world is hard work. It's never going to come naturally (sorry about that, but that's just the way it is!) It's as much "hard work and study" as getting a good degree is. More, in fact, because withan academic subject, once you know it, if you keep up to date, you never lose the knowledge. But with A-spectrum brain-hardwiring, we constantly have to work at reminding ourselves that we're likely to misinterpret things, and to know our own weaknesses. It can be very tough, but it's so worth it, to keep on and on (for decades) making that effort to have far greater understanding than most people ever need. It can be a tough, tough world out there. BUT ... you have the big advantage that you're an intelligent A-spectrum person, you can read, you can write, you can communicate, you have the inherent ability to work on this one. Feel sorry for those who can't! You will have to work, and work, and work on it. Think of it as having a potentially-dangerous dog which can't be let out of the house without a muzzle and leash, until it's been 100% successfully rehabilitated and has perfect response to all commands, no matter what the provocation is. You need to buckle on your own muzzle and leash, and accept that in most cases that "being persecuted" feeling is a "wrong thought", and it can be like a closed loop in a computer program. It's up to you to break out of that loop. Nobody else can do that for you. "For things to change, you have to change." Pesky (talk) 08:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

your WikiLove template[edit]

YummY food from Aunty Pesky.gif KeretaApiPuterMajuMundur.gifPesky train set.gif
Enjoy a Virtual Meal on the Pesky Express. (Guaranteed calorie-free!)
personalized WikiLove by Penyulap

Version 1

There are lots of interior views for a dining car, but nothing for the period of steam really. Are any of these ok ? plus, if you have a microphone you can have audio, or I can get PALZ to do a better job, or I can get a human to do a better job, as you please. I've done a bit of work on the movie, not too much, but it's coming along. Penyulap

That's really cool! The only thing is ... I think I've only ever used a talkback template once ... I do dish out WikiLove things from time to time, so a nice little anim for that (maybe including a pic or two of an old-fashioned steam train) would be fun :D Pesky (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
can you give me example text to guide me, and do you think audio, like above, is a good idea ? Penyulap
"Enjoy a Virtual Meal on the Pesky Express. Guaranteed non-fattening." The audio is cute! Pesky (talk) 14:36, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I was trying to do a bunch of other things, but I have precisely no idea if the docs for what I wanted to do exist, plus there were like a heap of bugz I spent a few hours wrestling with (sigh).
Well, I had intended to put the text as the background of the train, by the way, how is the train ? no steam at the moment, I think it all has to be hand drawn. I cut up an animation of a few wheels and added a wheel and then built it onto the little engine. Anyhow, I can put the text inside the image, and people can still click on it, but it would be static otherwise, that is, it can have a link to your userpage, talkpage, and so on but not the date. The text as it is now can change, and something else could be put into the background. Also, the menu(s), not sure where to go with the kinds of food, maybe simple and no anim ? Penyulap 23:38, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
It took me ages to realise there was a train coming! Can we have food on the left (nice old-fashioned yummy things ... and beer, too ;P) and some steam-train footage on the right, with audio? Do we have any video of an actual real-live steam train (free use kinda thingy-wossname)? And just text in the middle, between the pics? You're amazing, by the way! Pesky (talk) 12:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Gobstoppers never go away
I adjusted the little engine. Beer, I can work with, although there are SO many different kinds, old fashioned, like those candies that have been around for ages, mammoth steaks, or maybe turkey legs as eaten by the kings of old ? I can only figure roast chicken dinner, as that is pretty global and has been around for ages in the well-to-do homes, so that must hit the target. Penyulap

Will Hufu be on the menu ? for those hard to entertain eccentric types ? Penyulap

(If I may interject) That looks really good, Penyulap, you should feel justifiably proud of yourself for it. --Gilderien Talk|Contribs 20:33, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, and please do. I don't always know when I'm onto something good or bad until someone lends me their eyes, I welcome commentary and critique from those who offer it in GF. (lets just say if you have 500 edits OR are a genuine IP, I welcome you comments) Penyulap 21:34, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Mapo doufu
I watch what you do, I'm impressed by it too.
I brought you Hufu, please try some, yes do.
It's not like doufu, that's more like a stew.
this dish is quite new, and a fresh taste it has too.
I couldn't quite place, this new spicy taste.
when I found out I thought, to stop eating I ought.
But although suspicious, it tasted delicious,
and I just couldn't stop till I finished the pot.
Then as fast as an elf, I made some myself.
when I finished I knew, I should give you some too.
have a bite have a drink, then tell me what you think,
does it taste a bit queer, like you nibbled my ear ?
Goma tofu
While it certainly seems, to be made from old beans,
it's not usual tofu, it has a hint of new shoe.
now I've emptied the flask, one more quest i do ask,
now you are through, does it taste like you do?
(mmmm yum)
do you think if you polished this up and made it actually proper, that it would make a good wiki food funny thingy ? please hack away at it, I can't write or rhyme really. I was thinking it could go in a collapsible box, with just one pic showing, and a bit of text, same as a usual size of food. Penyulap
Penyulap, you never stop amazing me! @Gilderien, yes, Penyulap's an immensely talented person :D
Your poem's quite cute, and very clever, but I am a Wikkid Ole Wumman and almost drowned in my coffee by automatically seeing all the possible innuendos ... I am so naughty! I've actually never heard of Hufu! I like the idea of foody pics like the ones we have in the WikiLove food and drink section, plus anything else appetising-looking from the Wikimedia Commons (there are probably thousands of lovely foody pics). Pesky (talk) 07:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Haha ! yes, there are just way too many tangents to weave into it that I have no idea how to arrange them, but I think I should box it and see if it's not a bad idea for wikifood, maybe others might like it too, or we can just give it out, everyone reading this is most welcome to offer this Hufu ! I think it will raise a smile.
For the food, a-ha, I can work with that. I might lean towards things that haven't been seen before, as I like fresh food. Penyulap 12:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

An award for you[edit]

A Barnstar!
Golden Wiki Award

You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this past month! (talk) 22:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Ah, WikiLoveSpam! It would be so nice if I had enough time for that to have been true ... Pesky (talk) 23:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Add your spam feedback to AN/I. The IPs is part of a large quantity spam bout undergoing investigation.

[6] Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I have responded. I like Penyulap's suggestion of creating more suitable messages for them to use. They're being kind, and positive, but not in the best way; it certtainly didn't upset me to get this. Someone whose first approach to other people is friendly and kind and positive can;t be much of a bad person! Pesky (talk) 08:20, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for expressing your support for me in the User talk:PumpkinSky#Sanddunes Sunrise thread and/or participating in the User Talk:PumpkinSky#Ostereierbaum .28Easter Egg Tree.29 thread. Peace to everyone. PumpkinSky talk 01:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

And peace, and contentment, and hope, to you, too. Pesky (talk) 08:21, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Enjoy extended Easter, eggs and peace, now on the Main page, - fighting pain and loss a bit, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
First on the list, too! It's a beautiful tree :D Pesky (talk) 11:25, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal: Case update[edit]


Dear ThatPeskyCommoner/Archive 12: Hello, this is to let you know that a Mediation Cabal case that you are involved in, or have some connection with:

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/27 February 2012/Wikipedia:Verifiability

is currently inactive as it has not been edited in at least a week. If the issues in the case have been resolved, please let us know on our talk page so we can close the case. If there are still issues that need to be addressed, let us know. If your mediator has become inactive, also let us know. The case will be closed in one month if it remains inactive. You can let us know what's going on by sending a message through to your mediator, Mr. Stradivarius, on their talk page. Thanks! MedcabBot (talk) 09:40, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

'Tis not finished, 'tis a Work In Progress. Pesky (talk) 09:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi Pesky. I'm short on time this morning, but saw your note about losing your horse. I'm very sorry to hear that. Animals are such wonderful lovely creatures - how can you help but not love them so? You have very warm and sympathetic hugs from me today for the sadness you must have. I hope the horse had a good life while it was here. All my prayers and best wishes. — Ched :  ?  13:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes, she did have a good life, though she was only young. She spent most of her life running out free on the Forest with her half-sister / best friend. Pesky (talk) 13:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey, I was also sorry to read your note on Malleus' talk page. My girlfriend's horse has had colic once, the most distressing time of her (and his) life so far I think. My thoughts are with you. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, too. Here in the UK (and I bet elsewhere, too!) there's an old farmy saying: "Where you have livestock, you will get dead stock." It's not callous, it's just one of those things that we have to learn to live with. This particular decision was an easy one for us, as she had so obviously decided to give up. It's the ones where it's really hard to make the call of "Let her go, we're only prolonging the suffering" versus "Keep trying, she may pull through and be as good as ever," which are the really tough ones. We will miss her, we've had her ever since she was a baby, but at least she's not in any pain now, and she was surrounded by people she loved, and was being cuddled when she went; about the best way to go, if you have to. Pesky (talk) 10:11, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

An award for you[edit]

Handshake icon.svg
The Good Friend Award
Thank you so much for your helpful tips. Terminator92 (talk) 15:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! One of the things I enjoy most about Wikipedia is when someone finds something which I've said is useful to them :o) Pesky (talk) 15:28, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Ooooh, jumpy snakey![edit]

Cuddles' heat-lamp blew (but she still had her mat, so she was OK). So we went to open her house up .. mega strikey-bitey-snap at the front! ... then eased the snake-hook in ... yup, that needed to be struck at, as well ... but I got hold of her head and had the toothy end of a very cross eight-foot boa under control ... warded off the mid-section while we changed the bulb (Cuddles meanwhile twisting herself into complex geometrical curves until she could wrap three coils around my arm, silly cow!) Once she realised that it was only me, she relaxed enough for me to swap hands on her head end, and take my other arm out. And then we plugged in the power to the bulb, and discovered that the fuse had blown as well! But at least that could be fixed from outside her house. Hmmmm. It's been a while since she's been that snappy with her "little behavioural issues"! Pesky (talk) 09:19, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but I need to remind you that your talk page is not a place for you to treat as a social network. If you are currently on pain pills then I am charging you with an EUI and that's fine but be careful;) Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 20:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
ROFL! I have been EUI ever since I started! Besides, Cuddles is a WikiStar – she was Media of the Day last August, and her fan club really needs to know how she's doing ... honest, they do! Pesky (talk) 04:01, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

New Forest pony[edit]

OK, here's the Reviewer from Hell treatment:

  • "... competes successfully against larger horses in horse show competitions". But it's a pony; does the term "horse" cover ponies as well?
Kinda, yes; "horse" is a sort of blanket term (some miniatures are considered to be "horses", not ponies, f'rinstance Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done
  • "... this allowed humans and fauna to migrate between these areas". What areas? What is "this" referring to?
I'll double-check the wording, but it's supposed to mean the (curent) European mainland and the (current) British Isles Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC) ... it was the land bridge! Yes check.svg Done
  • "... as the climate fluctuated". Do climates really fluctuate?
I think so; ice-age climate to temperate climate, etc. Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done
  • "The land that now comprises the British Isles was periodically joined to continental Europe by a land bridge, extending from approximately the current coast of North Yorkshire to the English Channel, most recently until about 9,000 years ago ... there is evidence that wild horses remained in Britain after it became an island separate from Europe by about 5,500 BC". Those dates don't seem to agree. If Britain became an island in about 5,500 BC that's about 7,500 years ago, not 9,000 years ago.
Yes, that needs to be looked at (IIRC different sources differ sometwhat, I may just say "some time between" x and y Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done
  • "Duke William of Normandy, who originally claimed the New Forest as a royal hunting ground ...". What does "originally" mean here? First claimed the Forest as a royal hunting ground? Did other monarchs also subsequently claim it as a royal hunting ground? Could "originally" just be dropped?
I could drop "originally", though the hunting-ground bit went into abeyance and was brought back into operation with one of the Charleses (I think II) Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done
  • "... resulting in animals less suitable for use as pit ponies". The Uses section doesn't mention them being used as pit ponies at all.
I'll put that bit in; I concentrated on current usage, but that should be mentioned, yes Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Yes check.svg Done
  • "There was some demand for the better-looking of the ponies as riding horses, and also for driven work until the introduction of motor vehicles, and World War II drove up the market for horse flesh." I can't quite my head around what that's saying: "There was some demand for the better-looking of the ponies ... [until] World War II drove up the market for horse flesh"? Did they not taste so good? I'm also not very keen on that "better-looking of the ponies", rather than the simpler "better looking ponies".
Hehe! I'll clarify that; it was just about finding various markets for the ponies Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done
  • "It is suggested that the drop in numbers may have been the result of both the introduction of Arab blood to the breed ...". Suggested by whom?
Dunno mate, that's pretty much what the source said, IIRC; I'll think on re-wording Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done
  • "As part of ongoing efforts to improve the hardiness and native type of the breed ...". How do you improve the "native type"?
It had been "refined" (part of the Great Victorian Drive for making them prettier) and had ceased to be a true hardy native type, becoming more Araby; that I will tweak and clarify Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done
  • "The New Forest Pony Breeding & Cattle Society has been publishing their stud book since 1960". Either the society is singular (as in "has been publishing") or it's plural (as in "their stud book"), but you can't have it both ways.
I'll tweak that one Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done
Ponies on the New Forest
  • "... when they gather mares into larger groups and defend them against other stallions". Larger groups than what?
Larger groups than when the stallions aren't there (if the stallions aren't around, ponies stay in groups of 6 - 10 (ish); the stallions gather them up into groups of 30 - 40 (ish) Pesky (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done

Malleus Fatuorum 00:28, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


I saw a post with this diff. Do you have a template or code ... or even text in a page that you could hook me up with for that. Thanks 2eschew surplusage (talk) 06:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Yup, sure! It's this:

{{subst:User:ThatPeskyCommoner/ArticleHelp}}{{subst:User:Chzz/help/refs}}{{subst:User:ThatPeskyCommoner/Try Reflinks!}}

Obviously you can split those up as appropriate (for example with a more experienced user who's still using bare urls, etc., you'd just need the last one). Pesky (talk) 07:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I thank you ma'am, much appreciated. 2eschew surplusage (talk) 08:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


[7] That's very kind but it's wouldn't be much of one - My comment was a joke - I live here :) Pedro :  Chat  07:32, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Haha! I had no idea! Pesky (talk) 07:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
It's a small world! I guessed form your comment you assumed I lived in the states or something? I know a couple of commoners myself, and we're in the forest at least once a month with the kids; we're actually going to be camping there later this year too (close enough to home not to be a pain, just far enough to pretend we're on "holiday" :). Good work on the ponies article BTW. Pedro :  Chat  07:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! It's a very small world! I just made a "not-UK" assumption (of course one should never assume ...). Most of my out-running stock are around the Burley Lawns area. Pesky (talk) 07:49, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

They get younger every day ...[edit]

"This user is about 6 months old" ... and already he's at AN/I ... Pesky (talk) 09:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Boy, they just keep getting younger and younger. I'd thought your snake or one of your horses would be an editor by now. My favourite youngling is Boni Avibus, a nine year old presidential candidate, poet, actor, playwright, activist and philanthropist. Bgwhite (talk) 07:04, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
The non-human members of the family only edit on very rare occasions ;P Pesky (talk) 07:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
If you think about it it actually makes the most sense that way. Everyone else knows how to walk away from the computer before ending up there, and yet they often don't. Equazcion (talk) 05:18, 23 Apr 2012 (UTC)


? for you on Montanabw's page. PumpkinSky talk 14:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

  •  :D Pesky (talk) 06:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Emailed you the two files, Pesky. PumpkinSky talk 11:21, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
  • I'll take a look tomorrow (been clearing brambles all day today! ... errrmmm .. "taking it easy" after my neck op, lol! Pesky (talk) 16:56, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Sent the two attachments.PumpkinSky talk 01:12, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. I shall see how artistically wonderful I can be ;P Pesky (talk) 09:43, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

2nd Straw Poll[edit]

In indonesia 50% of all public transport depicts the Beatles, the remainder are Avril. The singer depicted on this bus is upset for 2 reasons, one, he is not a Beatle, two, he's in Nairobi.

There is a Straw Poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 00:57, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

  • I think I found a good solution to the template issue, take a look at the proposal now, it might satisfy everyone's concerns. — GabeMc (talk) 06:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Too funny, please, come weigh-in! — GabeMc (talk) 06:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, much better! That's the kind of thing which will be applicable to all defunct bands and so on. Pesky (talk) 06:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Everyone knows Elvis works as a cleaner in the office building around the corner, but the Beatles never got the sack and their singing is still paying the bills. Penyulap 10:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your comments at the straw poll, it proved to be my inspiration to adapt the infobox parameters to us, and we have essentially implemented your suggestion to a tee! — GabeMc (talk) 21:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome! We auties have our uses ... Pesky (talk) 08:01, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

.........aaaaaaannnd BOO !!!!![edit]

Massospondylus scale.png

I haven't forgotten Auntie, but that Hamburger that looks so delicious and delectable and is so good looking, is unfortunatly eaten by so many editors that wah! I'm not so sure it's fashionable enough ! Do you want the occasional dish that is a little popular ? Penyulap

Journey on the Pesky Express
more train
more train 
scenery train
more journey 
more scenery
more journey still 
approaching train
approaching train 
Swanage train
Swanage train 
Leaving Welshpool
… leaving Welshpool 
bit more journey
a bit more journey 
Oooh, now we are talking ! I had seen that tea set before, but I hadn't saved it, so it's a new idea. I'll have to adjust the Roast yummy Beef, it's a bit obvious that one (background). Now that video, I have already been trying on the wrong computer to de-construct. I have to fire up the right computer where I can use the right software for it. Very good, very good. I can fix up some temporary things with this lot. Penyulap 04:20, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I wish I could find some decent footage of a real steam train, free to use, which could be converted to a little anim! The soundtrack on that one I have there is good, though. Can you split the soundtrack off that one to use as an audio file? Pesky (talk) 04:25, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
How does that one look now, I did some cooking. Am I quick in the kitchen ? It's easy to cook up a soundtrack that way no problem. Penyulap 04:54, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Steam Train exits tunnel.JPG

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Hehe! You're good in the kitchen! I've just had a thought: on the right hand side, could we have a whole selection of traditional steam train pictures? I can wander through commons and make a gallery of the ones I like best, if you like :D And, ideally, we need to have the template down here in this discussion, so I don;t have to keep scrolling up the page, because I'm lazy ;P Pesky (talk) 05:08, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

YummY food from Aunty Pesky.gif KeretaApiPuterMajuMundur.gifPesky train set.gif
Enjoy a Virtual Meal on the Pesky Express. (Guaranteed calorie-free!)
personalized WikiLove by Penyulap

Well I just so happen to have another copy on hand (it won't increase your talkpage loadtime to have copies. The trains idea sounds good, keep in mind the idea of the pictures having a similar aspect, or being cropped to a similar aspect as well. Penyulap

Something to consider is that I can combine all 3 animations into a single easy-to-handle image, then you can caption as appropriate as well. If the text is put into the animation, as part of the anim, it's not easy to change. But I think I can search for the right way to put the text underneath it, should be possible, although I have trouble at the moment making clockwork images easy to handle and display, when they are a single image it's easy, but when there are components combined, the wik is a wild mistress. Penyulap 05:20, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I've given you some trains to play with! A single landscape-style anim combining all three would be wonderful :D Pesky (talk) 05:39, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
... and here's an idea: you should put, in very very small text (italics, maybe?) at the bottom, "Personalised WikiLove templates from Penyulap". And, by the way, could the Pesky link go to my talk rather than my user page, please? Pesky (talk) 05:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
That will all work. the added text would take up some realestate but it would work.
When I think of it just now, to combine all into three, there is a timing problem actually, the menu takes a while, and probably should be slower actually, which is easy, but the entire menu takes a while to go through. So if you think of it as, say, 30seconds total looptime, then the little train should really try to run only one return trip per looptime, if possible. The menus don't take up much bandwidth, but the little train does, and if it were to run three times within the loop, it's triple the total bandwidth size. The reverse is not true, still pictures don't take up much room and can repeat as much as you please within a single loop of the train, but that's way to fast for the still pics.
Slowing down the little train both in it's speed and it's timetable might be an idea, otherwise it is simply easy to keep it as a template like it is now, rather than as a gif. Either way is cool.


is the code by the way, for placing on talkpages. actually, if it has a link to my talkpage like it does now, HA! I'll hijack your friends ! that's no good, they don't suit me :P hehe, I'll think of something, or you can think of something. I was thinking of a whats this? which could lead off to an explanation or gallery or something. Nice and low-key. Penyulap 06:18, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I tweaked your code! You may end up getting requests from people to do personalised WikiLove for them, too ;P Pesky (talk) 08:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey, that looks great. Actually, if the whole is in a good place, you'll be able to keep meddling with it for the text, which is cool. hey i wonder can it be subst'd..
I was off writing Japanese documentation for my bot, and when I look at the international space station article in Japanese, I realized that there is probably a lot more work in my robot's user-page than there is on the ISS article in many languages. total LOL. Priorities eh ? I have got some cool ideas for my bot army though. <evil smirk> Penyulap 08:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Seems to subst OK (tested in sandbox). Pesky (talk) 09:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Very good, and also, think about how slow it should be, for the anims. I can alter them very fast, they can pause for longer on particular pics as well. Penyulap 09:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Slower would be good. They're a bit "flashing" at the moment. A little more length of time between changes would be good. Pesky (talk) 10:02, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I went to 5s each, but if you like to make the gallery captions into the time, that makes it fabulously simple for both of us. Any time can be for each image, and images can repeat as well, so there is 2x the roast beef with less dessert or the other way around. Penyulap 20:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Glech ... I can;t think clearly enough right at the moment to work out precisely what you were saying, here! And we have another (expensive) vet call out tomorrow, just to get some basic painkillers for my old mare, because the vet can;t legally let me have them until he's actually seen her ... though once he's seen her this one time, he can then prescribe ad infinitum if required. Sometimes these rules are OTT stupid. All she needs is the horse equivalent of ibuprofen ... if it were for me, I could buy it over the counter. But, for the horse, we have to pay a callout fee of eek-amount, just for the vet to confirm that, yes, that's what she needs. Meh. Pesky (talk) 20:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Do that first and don't worry about this sort of thing, it's not important. Ibuprofen, a familiar drug I took a LOT of, so much in fact that I felt really really weird when it came time to stop, freaky, you're not meant to get addicted to that sort of thing.
When you get back, when you have time, as it's not important at all now, is if the timing is good at 5 seconds per yummy image, but the chips are so yummy that you want to drool at them a little longer, then just the image with chips can be 10 seconds, and the rest are 5 seconds. Or each image inside the animation can have a separate duration. But later, not now. Penyulap 20:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, I have been thinking about it for a couple of days; I like it just how it is now :D I have already handed out a few of them. You're amazing, Penyulap. Hugz ;P Pesky (talk) 06:58, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. I've been thinking for a few days that wiki is not about being an encyclopedia, not a place people can work together and not a place for creative people either. I mean, there is so much more art outside wiki, and it's all like in a class greater than on here, and there really is no great desire to improve articles or culture. It's nice to fix the glaring errors on the ISS but all the other languages are like eeww, I don't know, fix them all ? not bother ? Many cultures are beyond wikipedias reach, and for good reason, and always will be. Then the leadership is contrary to anthropology, you can for certain embody government into a mob, but it's not a civilized government is it ?
I'm pretty sure I have little or no 'zeal' especially right now, not because of anything that has or hasn't happened mind you, there is nothing that set it off, I'm never really 'fixed in time' like the oldest stuff on my userpage is more true the further into the future we travel, do you know, I think I talk a lot right now, sorry about that, weird times. I am glad that you like the wikilove, it's cute, sorry I didn't do any steam, omg I have some fantastic art almost done on my hard drive but meh. No point in completing it. Anyhow, Hugz! Penyulap 07:54, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
My WikiInspiration is patchy. I have a GA nominee just now, though, which I got kinda inspired to fix up, and I have another article lined up to tweak and nominate, and I have just found a wonderful new source for some obscure stuff. But, who knows? The inspiration could leave me tomorrow. The Muse is a fickle thing. Pesky (talk) 08:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hehehe! You;re out of date, RfC bot! I contributed to that one nearly a month ago! Pesky (talk) 06:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Mailbox full?[edit]

  • Hey gramps, my email to you kept bouncing back, methinks you really have to clear them up first or no more new emails for you. Face-grin.svg --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 23:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Ooops! That mailbox seems to have some glitches (though it shouldn't be full!) I'm going to change my email address, I think! Pesky (talk) 00:14, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Have dropped you a line myself, but have used the wikipedia email user link, just incase you've changed address :) WormTT · (talk) 08:08, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
I have just replied to you! Pesky (talk) 09:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
So I see! I'm in the middle of replying back.. my goodness, we may even have an email chain! WormTT · (talk) 09:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Is it bad that whenever I see the words "Ohhh... boy", I start humming the Quantum Leap theme tune? WormTT · (talk) 10:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Putting tunes to words is addictive. I was singing "Schlepping in PJ's" to the tune of Walking in Sunshine, yesterday ... Pesky (talk) 11:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC)